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+x+x+x+x+x+xNot surprised at all. Such an overrated manager it’s not even funny. Great way to support Australian managers in the tough market in Europe... If he wasn’t the dirtiest player of all time, he would get my support. If he never played for Victory and was only known in Australia for his career in England and service for the Socceroos I am certain that almost no Australian football fans would share this view. His reputation is well known worldwide so I doubt it. There was some listicle from a Spanish site from 15 years ago that used to be reposted until it 404'd, what else you got? You can't concede that his time with the Victory has shaped your views on him even a little? Let me put it this way: were you booing him when he scored his penalty for the Socceroos in the 2002 World Cup qualifier playoffs against Uruguay at the MCG before he came to Victory? He was reviled in the UK and even voted the most hated footballer in the country while he played there, due to his spate of career-ending fouls. I went to Grimsby v Wolves in 2001, and a group of fans next to me spent the entire match slagging Muscat off. I had to pretend not to be Australian out of fear that their ire would turn towards me.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNot surprised at all. Such an overrated manager it’s not even funny. Great way to support Australian managers in the tough market in Europe... If he wasn’t the dirtiest player of all time, he would get my support. If he never played for Victory and was only known in Australia for his career in England and service for the Socceroos I am certain that almost no Australian football fans would share this view. His reputation is well known worldwide so I doubt it. There was some listicle from a Spanish site from 15 years ago that used to be reposted until it 404'd, what else you got? You can't concede that his time with the Victory hasn't shaped your views even a little? Let me put it this way: were you booing him when he scored his penalty for the Socceroos in the 2002 World Cup qualifier playoffs against Uruguay at the MCG before he came to Victory? The question is should he have even played in that game or should he have received a red card in the game against France about a week earlier. So, you booed? I didn't boo. But the same as the 3-1 win against Japan in 2006, I thought that Timmy was lucky not to get a penalty against him to put us behind against Japan. I think your reasonable opinion of what happened in that game in 2006 does not have a lot to do with the vitriol leveled at an Australian coach in the Belgian league trying to pave a path for Australian football in 2020. If Kev did get a red for whatever reason in that friendly against France he still would have still been perfectly eligible for the WCQ, unless the rules have changed since then. Like sub I was a youngun' back then myself so I can't claim expertise on the specifics. I think it's helpful that you did tell us that you didn't boo him at the time, obviously as that was before Victory even existed. Thanks to your insights from back then I'm even more sure than I was before that 99% of what we hear about him in the Australian football fandom wouldn't be heard if he never played for Victory, or certainly not at the levels of vitriol we see in this thread today. Just because I view him as a dirty player doesn't mean I hope he fails OS as a coach. I want to see Harry, Popovic and Muscat all succeed. Ange had a lot of success last year but seemed to have fallen off the pace this year. I hope he can turn that around as well. I am sure you do, but I am also sure many fans in Australia want him to fail and suffer due to his links with Victory, regardless of the cost to the Australian game as a whole.
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Nothing to do with victory. He’s just a shit human. That’s all.
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Couldn’t care less he played for MV, I judge the content of his character. And that content is dogshit. He’s the one Aussie football person I wish nothing but failure for and it’s shameful his coaching career abroad will reflect on Australian football, no doubt poorly just like his scumbag playing career has.
Put your MV loyalties aside and demand a better quality of human than this grub.
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bit of insecurity by mv fans. Put it the other way, if he never played or coached mv what would your feelings be towards him ? Its pretty hard to respect any player or ex with his record. I don't wish his failure but I have no care about him as well. Thats nothing to do he was with mv, just the type of person he has presented himself, he liked and thrived on being disliked (says alot about his character as mentioned) no matter the club he's been involved with.
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Lol half of yall are judging him as you know him personally. Shit human? Why?? Yes he was a dirty player but how is he a shit human??
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+xLol half of yall are judging him as you know him personally. Shit human? Why?? Yes he was a dirty player but how is he a shit human?? Pretty sure intentionally injuring people makes someone a shit human.
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+x+x+xThink as a player Muscat had ‘white line fever’ on the pitch. As some of you guys mentioned earlier he is 1 of the very few Aussie coaches in Europe and if he sticks around he can open up doors for Aussie players to play there. Dirty player at times for sure- but pretty good coach by Australian standards at least Debatable. Look at the stats if you want a reasonable debate: https://www.ultimatealeague.com/records.php?type=mgr&show=msmThe third highest winning percentage of anyone with more than 100 games being "a pretty good coach by [insert relevant country] standards" in a given country should be beyond debate to anyone reasonable. Stats are meaningless without context. Nearly anyone could have that winning percentage if they were given one of the strongest squads in the league every season, more money to spend than other clubs and a board that gave him everything to succeed. If he was instead managing a mid sized club, where he wasn’t liked by the fans and didn’t have what he was given at Victory, do you really think he could be successful? Honestly I doubt it and I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up on the managerial scrapheap.
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Couldn't stand him as a player, but wish him the best in this role. I hope he makes a go of this position. It could be ground breaking stuff for Muscat and Australian football. If he can succeed, it will be a big positive for Aus football.
Funniest posts are the MV supporters (yeah the ones that incessantly bag Arnold as the national team coach - primarily based on the club he coached) lecturing other supporters to overlook their Muscat bias and get behind Kev. Good stuff.
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+xFunniest posts are the MV supporters (yeah the ones that incessantly bag Arnold as the national team coach - primarily based on the club he coached) lecturing other supporters to overlook their Muscat bias and get behind Kev. Good stuff. That is indeed a very astute and humorous observation. Makes me chuckle.
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Good to see some Aussie managers having a crack in Europe. Hopefully he sticks it out whether this gig works or not.
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+x+xFunniest posts are the MV supporters (yeah the ones that incessantly bag Arnold as the national team coach - primarily based on the club he coached) lecturing other supporters to overlook their Muscat bias and get behind Kev. Good stuff. That is indeed a very astute and humorous observation. Makes me chuckle. X2
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+x+xLol half of yall are judging him as you know him personally. Shit human? Why?? Yes he was a dirty player but how is he a shit human?? Pretty sure intentionally injuring people makes someone a shit human. Yeah and the weird thing is Zahra actually forgave the guy . I know this because I work with his mate. He moved on but fans cant. Its not like muscy murdered anyone
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+xCouldn't stand him as a player, but wish him the best in this role. I hope he makes a go of this position. It could be ground breaking stuff for Muscat and Australian football. If he can succeed, it will be a big positive for Aus football. Funniest posts are the MV supporters (yeah the ones that incessantly bag Arnold as the national team coach - primarily based on the club he coached) lecturing other supporters to overlook their Muscat bias and get behind Kev. Good stuff. cracker of a comment and touche !
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+x+x+x+xThink as a player Muscat had ‘white line fever’ on the pitch. As some of you guys mentioned earlier he is 1 of the very few Aussie coaches in Europe and if he sticks around he can open up doors for Aussie players to play there. Dirty player at times for sure- but pretty good coach by Australian standards at least Debatable. Look at the stats if you want a reasonable debate: https://www.ultimatealeague.com/records.php?type=mgr&show=msmThe third highest winning percentage of anyone with more than 100 games being "a pretty good coach by [insert relevant country] standards" in a given country should be beyond debate to anyone reasonable. Stats are meaningless without context. Nearly anyone could have that winning percentage if they were given one of the strongest squads in the league every season, more money to spend than other clubs and a board that gave him everything to succeed. If he was instead managing a mid sized club, where he wasn’t liked by the fans and didn’t have what he was given at Victory, do you really think he could be successful? Honestly I doubt it and I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up on the managerial scrapheap. Well, I presented the evidence, you can have your opinion but those are the stats. How did this strong club with arguably even better players go after he left?
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+xCouldn’t care less he played for MV, I judge the content of his character. And that content is dogshit. He’s the one Aussie football person I wish nothing but failure for and it’s shameful his coaching career abroad will reflect on Australian football, no doubt poorly just like his scumbag playing career has. Put your MV loyalties aside and demand a better quality of human than this grub. That's a bit much.
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+xCouldn't stand him as a player, but wish him the best in this role. I hope he makes a go of this position. It could be ground breaking stuff for Muscat and Australian football. If he can succeed, it will be a big positive for Aus football. Funniest posts are the MV supporters (yeah the ones that incessantly bag Arnold as the national team coach - primarily based on the club he coached) lecturing other supporters to overlook their Muscat bias and get behind Kev. Good stuff. I suppose you're talking about me. The Arnie head shaking gif is funny as fuck and I have no intention of stopping posting it any time soon. I certainly have my misgivings about his personality and his penchant for holding grudges, but as Socceroos coach I wish him every success and support him 100%, while still being critical. I think that's a pretty reasonable position for a football fan, but the level of energy some fans put into hating Muscat is a little sad, in my view.
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+x+x+xLol half of yall are judging him as you know him personally. Shit human? Why?? Yes he was a dirty player but how is he a shit human?? Pretty sure intentionally injuring people makes someone a shit human. Yeah and the weird thing is Zahra actually forgave the guy . I know this because I work with his mate. He moved on but fans cant. Its not like muscy murdered anyone I can forgive people who screw me over too, it doesn’t mean they are good people.
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+x+x+x+x+xThink as a player Muscat had ‘white line fever’ on the pitch. As some of you guys mentioned earlier he is 1 of the very few Aussie coaches in Europe and if he sticks around he can open up doors for Aussie players to play there. Dirty player at times for sure- but pretty good coach by Australian standards at least Debatable. Look at the stats if you want a reasonable debate: https://www.ultimatealeague.com/records.php?type=mgr&show=msmThe third highest winning percentage of anyone with more than 100 games being "a pretty good coach by [insert relevant country] standards" in a given country should be beyond debate to anyone reasonable. Stats are meaningless without context. Nearly anyone could have that winning percentage if they were given one of the strongest squads in the league every season, more money to spend than other clubs and a board that gave him everything to succeed. If he was instead managing a mid sized club, where he wasn’t liked by the fans and didn’t have what he was given at Victory, do you really think he could be successful? Honestly I doubt it and I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up on the managerial scrapheap. Well, I presented the evidence, you can have your opinion but those are the stats. How did this strong club with arguably even better players go after he left? Gertjan Verbeek is statistically Adelaide United’s best manager when in reality he was probably the second worst manager the club had ever had... They didn’t have better players after he left tho lol.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThink as a player Muscat had ‘white line fever’ on the pitch. As some of you guys mentioned earlier he is 1 of the very few Aussie coaches in Europe and if he sticks around he can open up doors for Aussie players to play there. Dirty player at times for sure- but pretty good coach by Australian standards at least Debatable. Look at the stats if you want a reasonable debate: https://www.ultimatealeague.com/records.php?type=mgr&show=msmThe third highest winning percentage of anyone with more than 100 games being "a pretty good coach by [insert relevant country] standards" in a given country should be beyond debate to anyone reasonable. Stats are meaningless without context. Nearly anyone could have that winning percentage if they were given one of the strongest squads in the league every season, more money to spend than other clubs and a board that gave him everything to succeed. If he was instead managing a mid sized club, where he wasn’t liked by the fans and didn’t have what he was given at Victory, do you really think he could be successful? Honestly I doubt it and I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up on the managerial scrapheap. Well, I presented the evidence, you can have your opinion but those are the stats. How did this strong club with arguably even better players go after he left? Gertjan Verbeek is statistically Adelaide United’s best manager when in reality he was probably the second worst manager the club had ever had... Again I've presented the stats, if you have your own interpretation of them then that's your business, but I think over several seasons and more than a hundred games I think it's a pretty fair set of data to go off. They didn’t have better players after he left tho lol. Your opinion.
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+x+xCouldn’t care less he played for MV, I judge the content of his character. And that content is dogshit. He’s the one Aussie football person I wish nothing but failure for and it’s shameful his coaching career abroad will reflect on Australian football, no doubt poorly just like his scumbag playing career has. Put your MV loyalties aside and demand a better quality of human than this grub. That's a bit much. Intentionally set out to end careers of young players. Fingers crossed a ton of well deserved karma is coming his way.
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+x+x+x+xLol half of yall are judging him as you know him personally. Shit human? Why?? Yes he was a dirty player but how is he a shit human?? Pretty sure intentionally injuring people makes someone a shit human. Yeah and the weird thing is Zahra actually forgave the guy . I know this because I work with his mate. He moved on but fans cant. Its not like muscy murdered anyone I can forgive people who screw me over too, it doesn’t mean they are good people. You're taking this way to personally . Kev and Adrian are friends . Jesus I had a tragic past and lost people in horrendous ways but I dont hold onto it.
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+x+x+x+x+xLol half of yall are judging him as you know him personally. Shit human? Why?? Yes he was a dirty player but how is he a shit human?? Pretty sure intentionally injuring people makes someone a shit human. Yeah and the weird thing is Zahra actually forgave the guy . I know this because I work with his mate. He moved on but fans cant. Its not like muscy murdered anyone I can forgive people who screw me over too, it doesn’t mean they are good people. You're taking this way to personally . Kev and Adrian are friends . Jesus I had a tragic past and lost people in horrendous ways but I dont hold onto it. Yeah I’d be friends with the person who destroyed my dream career too, also it’s forecast to rain $100 notes tomorrow....jezz pull your head out of your ass.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xLol half of yall are judging him as you know him personally. Shit human? Why?? Yes he was a dirty player but how is he a shit human?? Pretty sure intentionally injuring people makes someone a shit human. Yeah and the weird thing is Zahra actually forgave the guy . I know this because I work with his mate. He moved on but fans cant. Its not like muscy murdered anyone I can forgive people who screw me over too, it doesn’t mean they are good people. You're taking this way to personally . Kev and Adrian are friends . Jesus I had a tragic past and lost people in horrendous ways but I dont hold onto it. Yeah I’d be friends with the person who destroyed my dream career too, also it’s forecast to rain $100 notes tomorrow....jezz pull your head out of your ass. "Destroyed my dream career", turn it up ffs. You want him to have been on the cusp of being the next Messi when mean old Muscat deliberately harmed him because that's the narrative that appeals to you, but the boring old reality is that Kevin was an old player who couldn't keep up and laid a late challenge, and Zahra has had a decade of football to prove himself since then and has found his level in the NPL. Guarantee you wouldn't know this bloke's name if it wasn't for that tackle.
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+x+x+xCouldn’t care less he played for MV, I judge the content of his character. And that content is dogshit. He’s the one Aussie football person I wish nothing but failure for and it’s shameful his coaching career abroad will reflect on Australian football, no doubt poorly just like his scumbag playing career has. Put your MV loyalties aside and demand a better quality of human than this grub. That's a bit much. Intentionally set out to end careers of young players. That's clearly what you wish to believe, and I am happy to concede that there's nothing I can say that will dissuade you of this.
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+x+x+x+xCouldn’t care less he played for MV, I judge the content of his character. And that content is dogshit. He’s the one Aussie football person I wish nothing but failure for and it’s shameful his coaching career abroad will reflect on Australian football, no doubt poorly just like his scumbag playing career has. Put your MV loyalties aside and demand a better quality of human than this grub. That's a bit much. Intentionally set out to end careers of young players. That's clearly what you wish to believe, and I am happy to concede that there's nothing I can say that will dissuade you of this. Threatened Ashley young on his debut as a teenager. I like your input on this forum Pala and im happy to leave this as a disagreement but if you believe his conduct is a sign of a person with good character well guess that say more about you than anything really.
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+x+x+x+x+xCouldn’t care less he played for MV, I judge the content of his character. And that content is dogshit. He’s the one Aussie football person I wish nothing but failure for and it’s shameful his coaching career abroad will reflect on Australian football, no doubt poorly just like his scumbag playing career has. Put your MV loyalties aside and demand a better quality of human than this grub. That's a bit much. Intentionally set out to end careers of young players. That's clearly what you wish to believe, and I am happy to concede that there's nothing I can say that will dissuade you of this. Threatened Ashley young on his debut as a teenager. I like your input on this forum Pala and im happy to leave this as a disagreement but if you believe his conduct is a sign of a person with good character well guess that say more about you than anything really. I've spoken to the man briefly several times personally over the years in my capacity as a fan and believe him to be of good character, while certainly an uncompromising competitor. I can even say I've tried to take some learnings from him in my own personal and professional life, particularly in the areas of standing up for myself, leading a team and owning responsibility. You can say whatever you like about me and my character, no worries.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xCouldn’t care less he played for MV, I judge the content of his character. And that content is dogshit. He’s the one Aussie football person I wish nothing but failure for and it’s shameful his coaching career abroad will reflect on Australian football, no doubt poorly just like his scumbag playing career has. Put your MV loyalties aside and demand a better quality of human than this grub. That's a bit much. Intentionally set out to end careers of young players. That's clearly what you wish to believe, and I am happy to concede that there's nothing I can say that will dissuade you of this. Threatened Ashley young on his debut as a teenager. I like your input on this forum Pala and im happy to leave this as a disagreement but if you believe his conduct is a sign of a person with good character well guess that say more about you than anything really. I've spoken to the man several times personally and believe him to be of good character, while certainly an uncompromising competitor. I can even say I've tried to take some learnings from him in my own personal and professional life, particularly in the area of standing up for myself, leading a team and owning responsibility. You can say whatever you like about me and my character, no worries. Everyone who has actually met him seems to affirm that he is likeable and good humoured. But on the park, as a player, he was an utter barbarian, deliberately setting out, on occasion, to seriously injure opposing players. He deliberately and seriously injured, in my watching, Dugarrry and Zara. He was taken to court in the UK by a player whose career he ended through deliberately inflicted injury. These three cases are beyond dispute, and I am sure there are others. However he appears now - and frankly, Pal, he's been pretty unattractive as a coach on the sidelines too - he was a disgrace to the game as a player, and this is made all the worse by the fact that he didn't have to play like this. He was a fine player and his cynical violence was completely unnecessary. Whatever negative things fall his way in the game now are long overdue karmic return.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCouldn’t care less he played for MV, I judge the content of his character. And that content is dogshit. He’s the one Aussie football person I wish nothing but failure for and it’s shameful his coaching career abroad will reflect on Australian football, no doubt poorly just like his scumbag playing career has. Put your MV loyalties aside and demand a better quality of human than this grub. That's a bit much. Intentionally set out to end careers of young players. That's clearly what you wish to believe, and I am happy to concede that there's nothing I can say that will dissuade you of this. Threatened Ashley young on his debut as a teenager. I like your input on this forum Pala and im happy to leave this as a disagreement but if you believe his conduct is a sign of a person with good character well guess that say more about you than anything really. I've spoken to the man several times personally and believe him to be of good character, while certainly an uncompromising competitor. I can even say I've tried to take some learnings from him in my own personal and professional life, particularly in the area of standing up for myself, leading a team and owning responsibility. You can say whatever you like about me and my character, no worries. Everyone who has actually met him seems to affirm that he is likeable and good humoured. But on the park, as a player, he was an utter barbarian, deliberately setting out, on occasion, to seriously injure opposing players. He deliberately and seriously injured, in my watching, Dugarrry and Zara. He was taken to court in the UK by a player whose career he ended through deliberately inflicted injury. These three cases are beyond dispute, and I am sure there are others. However he appears now - and frankly, Pal, he's been pretty unattractive as a coach on the sidelines too - he was a disgrace to the game as a player, and this is made all the worse by the fact that he didn't have to play like this. He was a fine player and his cynical violence was completely unnecessary. Whatever negative things fall his way in the game now are long overdue karmic return. if anyone who hates on Muscet wants to watch the Spurs All or Nothing on Amazon prime Jose sums it perfectly - "you are a bunch of nice guys....but for 90mins you cant be nice for 90mins you got to be a c**ts" Its called winning mentality Australia has lost ours in the overly 'soft culture' sipping lattes giving everyone a ribbon we have become soft as shit It is why Australia is hopeless at sport these days, we are even hopeless at business due to our stupidity
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