It's not just about Muscat as a player, horrendous though that was - he's been a behavioural disgrace on the sidelines as a coach too.

He seems to lack any self control or sense of dignity when he goes near a football pitch.  So which is the real Kevin Muscat - the charmer who people meet off the park, or the player who quite deliberately inflicted serious injuries on opposing players and foul mouthed, abusive sideline reprobate?

Muscat failing will have absolutely no impact on the other Australian managers, managers get selected based on their competence, and if Muscat proves to not be competent then its all on him.

Also, I fucking despise him for the way he played. White line fever doesn't excuse his choices.

Dear god no

If he fails in Belgium, looks like the Socceroo's manager spot may be open to him soon......

Would also go to ground like he was shot at the drop of a hat in the same game as stamping on someone behind play.

He may be the nicest family man at home but on the pitch he was an absolute piece if shit and Victory fans have to just accept that he was maybe THEIR piece of shit, but a piece of shit nonetheless

Injured during an FA fixture, Holmes' leg was so damaged that the surgeon feared he may lose it. In the aftermath, a six-year battle for compensation finally ended in 2004 when he was awarded a total of £750,000 in damages.

A late challenge?
Is that honestly how you describe that incident in your mind?

You can defend the man off the pitch but not on it.

You're saying other people are tainted by disliking Melbourne Victory but can't manage to see that if he weren't your team's championship winning captain there's no way you'd be defending his ON pitch actions with the same tenacity.

sometimes you just got to suck it up and admit, yer that guy in general has been great making a DH of himself and that he has (no matter who he coached), I'm expressing my thoughts gracefully.
It wasn't just his terrible behaviour on the pitch its been his arrogance when interviewed during his coaching here.
The crap Arnie gets bloody muscat is the same arrogant mouth type as well, thats how he came across.
Oh for the sake of Australian football now, spare me.
He sure isn't the type of spokesmen that will endear many in EU, yer might open a door for a young un great but I'm sure they'll be glad for the door hit his arse on the way out most liklely.
If I'm proven wrong good luck to him.

Disagree with this outlook in general. There's been many players that played for victory that people wouldn't have any want that they fail after leaving the club. Another example is with Postecoglou coaching victory. He didnt polarize opinion because of his being at the club. Victory supporters have always been good at having a victim mentality and this is another example. Muscat is not a victim of playing for victory. He's a victim of his own barbaric way of playing the game.
What's embarrassing is how victory supporters, you included, play down his behavior. For example, who cares that he ruined a young players season with a purposeful knee high tackle. He's only an npl level player. What great justification. 

Thug of a player but only a fool would has said he didn't show promise as a coach. I wanted him to do well for Australian football and its disappointing he hasn't thus far. 

You have to admit that Victory fans have reveled in Arnie's failures though.

Not talking about you specifically.  It was directed at the shudder (I think this is the correct collective noun) of MV supporters :P

if anyone who hates on Muscet wants to watch the Spurs All or Nothing on Amazon prime 

Jose sums it perfectly - "you are a bunch of nice guys....but for 90mins you cant be nice for 90mins you got to be a c**ts" 

Its called winning mentality Australia has lost ours in the overly 'soft  culture'  sipping lattes giving everyone a ribbon we have become soft as shit 
It is why Australia is hopeless at sport these days, we are even hopeless at business due to our stupidity 

Everyone who has actually met him seems to affirm that he is likeable and good humoured.  But on the park, as a player, he was an utter barbarian, deliberately setting out, on occasion, to seriously injure opposing players.  He deliberately and seriously injured, in my watching, Dugarrry and Zara.  He was taken to court in the UK by a player whose career he ended through deliberately inflicted injury.  These three cases are beyond dispute, and I am sure there are others.  However he appears now - and frankly, Pal, he's been pretty unattractive as a coach on the sidelines too - he was a disgrace to the game as a player, and this is made all the worse by the fact that he didn't have to play like this. He was a fine player and his cynical violence was completely unnecessary.

Whatever negative things fall his way in the game now are long overdue karmic return.

I've spoken to the man briefly several times personally over the years in my capacity as a fan and believe him to be of good character, while certainly an uncompromising competitor. I can even say I've tried to take some learnings from him in my own personal and professional life, particularly in the areas of standing up for myself, leading a team and owning responsibility.

You can say whatever you like about me and my character, no worries.

Threatened Ashley young on his debut as a teenager. I like your input on this forum Pala and im happy to leave this as a disagreement but if you believe his conduct is a sign of a person with good character well guess that say more about you than anything really.

That's clearly what you wish to believe, and I am happy to concede that there's nothing I can say that will dissuade you of this.

"Destroyed my dream career", turn it up ffs.

You want him to have been on the cusp of being the next Messi when mean old Muscat deliberately harmed him because that's the narrative that appeals to you, but the boring old reality is that Kevin was an old player who couldn't keep up and laid a late challenge, and Zahra has had a decade of football to prove himself since then and has found his level in the NPL.

Guarantee you wouldn't know this bloke's name if it wasn't for that tackle.

Yeah I’d be friends with the person who destroyed my dream career too, also it’s forecast to rain $100 notes tomorrow....jezz pull your head out of your ass.

You're taking this way to personally . Kev and Adrian are friends . Jesus  I had a tragic past and lost people in horrendous ways but I dont hold onto it. 

Intentionally set out to end careers of young players. Fingers crossed a ton of well deserved karma is coming his way.

Again I've presented the stats, if you have your own interpretation of them then that's your business, but I think over several seasons and more than a hundred games I think it's a pretty fair set of data to go off.


Your opinion.

Gertjan Verbeek is statistically Adelaide United’s best manager when in reality he was probably the second worst manager the club had ever had...

They didn’t have better players after he left tho lol.

I can forgive people who screw me over too, it doesn’t mean they are good people.

I suppose you're talking about me.

The Arnie head shaking gif is funny as fuck and I have no intention of stopping posting it any time soon. I certainly have my misgivings about his personality and his penchant for holding grudges, but as Socceroos coach I wish him every success and support him 100%, while still being critical.

I think that's a pretty reasonable position for a football fan, but the level of energy some fans put into hating Muscat is a little sad, in my view.

That's a bit much.

Well, I presented the evidence, you can have your opinion but those are the stats.

How did this strong club with arguably even better players go after he left?

cracker of a comment and touche !

Yeah and the weird thing is Zahra actually forgave the guy . I know this because I work with his mate.  He moved on but fans cant.  Its not like muscy murdered anyone 

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Good to see some Aussie managers having a crack in Europe. Hopefully he sticks it out whether this gig works or not.