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+x+xCouldn't stand him as a player, but wish him the best in this role. I hope he makes a go of this position. It could be ground breaking stuff for Muscat and Australian football. If he can succeed, it will be a big positive for Aus football. Funniest posts are the MV supporters (yeah the ones that incessantly bag Arnold as the national team coach - primarily based on the club he coached) lecturing other supporters to overlook their Muscat bias and get behind Kev. Good stuff. I suppose you're talking about me. The Arnie head shaking gif is funny as fuck and I have no intention of stopping posting it any time soon. I certainly have my misgivings about his personality and his penchant for holding grudges, but as Socceroos coach I wish him every success and support him 100%, while still being critical. I think that's a pretty reasonable position for a football fan, but the level of energy some fans put into hating Muscat is a little sad, in my view. Not talking about you specifically. It was directed at the shudder (I think this is the correct collective noun) of MV supporters :P
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNot surprised at all. Such an overrated manager it’s not even funny. Great way to support Australian managers in the tough market in Europe... If he wasn’t the dirtiest player of all time, he would get my support. If he never played for Victory and was only known in Australia for his career in England and service for the Socceroos I am certain that almost no Australian football fans would share this view. His reputation is well known worldwide so I doubt it. There was some listicle from a Spanish site from 15 years ago that used to be reposted until it 404'd, what else you got? You can't concede that his time with the Victory hasn't shaped your views even a little? Let me put it this way: were you booing him when he scored his penalty for the Socceroos in the 2002 World Cup qualifier playoffs against Uruguay at the MCG before he came to Victory? The question is should he have even played in that game or should he have received a red card in the game against France about a week earlier. So, you booed? I didn't boo. But the same as the 3-1 win against Japan in 2006, I thought that Timmy was lucky not to get a penalty against him to put us behind against Japan. I think your reasonable opinion of what happened in that game in 2006 does not have a lot to do with the vitriol leveled at an Australian coach in the Belgian league trying to pave a path for Australian football in 2020. If Kev did get a red for whatever reason in that friendly against France he still would have still been perfectly eligible for the WCQ, unless the rules have changed since then. Like sub I was a youngun' back then myself so I can't claim expertise on the specifics. I think it's helpful that you did tell us that you didn't boo him at the time, obviously as that was before Victory even existed. Thanks to your insights from back then I'm even more sure than I was before that 99% of what we hear about him in the Australian football fandom wouldn't be heard if he never played for Victory, or certainly not at the levels of vitriol we see in this thread today. Just because I view him as a dirty player doesn't mean I hope he fails OS as a coach. I want to see Harry, Popovic and Muscat all succeed. Ange had a lot of success last year but seemed to have fallen off the pace this year. I hope he can turn that around as well. I am sure you do, but I am also sure many fans in Australia want him to fail and suffer due to his links with Victory, regardless of the cost to the Australian game as a whole. Thug of a player but only a fool would has said he didn't show promise as a coach. I wanted him to do well for Australian football and its disappointing he hasn't thus far. You have to admit that Victory fans have reveled in Arnie's failures though.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNot surprised at all. Such an overrated manager it’s not even funny. Great way to support Australian managers in the tough market in Europe... If he wasn’t the dirtiest player of all time, he would get my support. If he never played for Victory and was only known in Australia for his career in England and service for the Socceroos I am certain that almost no Australian football fans would share this view. His reputation is well known worldwide so I doubt it. There was some listicle from a Spanish site from 15 years ago that used to be reposted until it 404'd, what else you got? You can't concede that his time with the Victory hasn't shaped your views even a little? Let me put it this way: were you booing him when he scored his penalty for the Socceroos in the 2002 World Cup qualifier playoffs against Uruguay at the MCG before he came to Victory? The question is should he have even played in that game or should he have received a red card in the game against France about a week earlier. So, you booed? I didn't boo. But the same as the 3-1 win against Japan in 2006, I thought that Timmy was lucky not to get a penalty against him to put us behind against Japan. I think your reasonable opinion of what happened in that game in 2006 does not have a lot to do with the vitriol leveled at an Australian coach in the Belgian league trying to pave a path for Australian football in 2020. If Kev did get a red for whatever reason in that friendly against France he still would have still been perfectly eligible for the WCQ, unless the rules have changed since then. Like sub I was a youngun' back then myself so I can't claim expertise on the specifics. I think it's helpful that you did tell us that you didn't boo him at the time, obviously as that was before Victory even existed. Thanks to your insights from back then I'm even more sure than I was before that 99% of what we hear about him in the Australian football fandom wouldn't be heard if he never played for Victory, or certainly not at the levels of vitriol we see in this thread today. Just because I view him as a dirty player doesn't mean I hope he fails OS as a coach. I want to see Harry, Popovic and Muscat all succeed. Ange had a lot of success last year but seemed to have fallen off the pace this year. I hope he can turn that around as well. I am sure you do, but I am also sure many fans in Australia want him to fail and suffer due to his links with Victory, regardless of the cost to the Australian game as a whole. Disagree with this outlook in general. There's been many players that played for victory that people wouldn't have any want that they fail after leaving the club. Another example is with Postecoglou coaching victory. He didnt polarize opinion because of his being at the club. Victory supporters have always been good at having a victim mentality and this is another example. Muscat is not a victim of playing for victory. He's a victim of his own barbaric way of playing the game. What's embarrassing is how victory supporters, you included, play down his behavior. For example, who cares that he ruined a young players season with a purposeful knee high tackle. He's only an npl level player. What great justification.
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sometimes you just got to suck it up and admit, yer that guy in general has been great making a DH of himself and that he has (no matter who he coached), I'm expressing my thoughts gracefully. It wasn't just his terrible behaviour on the pitch its been his arrogance when interviewed during his coaching here. The crap Arnie gets bloody muscat is the same arrogant mouth type as well, thats how he came across. Oh for the sake of Australian football now, spare me. He sure isn't the type of spokesmen that will endear many in EU, yer might open a door for a young un great but I'm sure they'll be glad for the door hit his arse on the way out most liklely. If I'm proven wrong good luck to him.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xLol half of yall are judging him as you know him personally. Shit human? Why?? Yes he was a dirty player but how is he a shit human?? Pretty sure intentionally injuring people makes someone a shit human. Yeah and the weird thing is Zahra actually forgave the guy . I know this because I work with his mate. He moved on but fans cant. Its not like muscy murdered anyone I can forgive people who screw me over too, it doesn’t mean they are good people. You're taking this way to personally . Kev and Adrian are friends . Jesus I had a tragic past and lost people in horrendous ways but I dont hold onto it. Yeah I’d be friends with the person who destroyed my dream career too, also it’s forecast to rain $100 notes tomorrow....jezz pull your head out of your ass. Kevin was an old player who couldn't keep up and laid a late challenge, A late challenge? Is that honestly how you describe that incident in your mind? You can defend the man off the pitch but not on it. You're saying other people are tainted by disliking Melbourne Victory but can't manage to see that if he weren't your team's championship winning captain there's no way you'd be defending his ON pitch actions with the same tenacity.
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Injured during an FA fixture, Holmes' leg was so damaged that the surgeon feared he may lose it. In the aftermath, a six-year battle for compensation finally ended in 2004 when he was awarded a total of £750,000 in damages.
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Would also go to ground like he was shot at the drop of a hat in the same game as stamping on someone behind play.
He may be the nicest family man at home but on the pitch he was an absolute piece if shit and Victory fans have to just accept that he was maybe THEIR piece of shit, but a piece of shit nonetheless
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If he fails in Belgium, looks like the Socceroo's manager spot may be open to him soon......
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+xIf he fails in Belgium, looks like the Socceroo's manager spot may be open to him soon...... Dear god no
these Kangaroos can play football -
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Muscat failing will have absolutely no impact on the other Australian managers, managers get selected based on their competence, and if Muscat proves to not be competent then its all on him. Also, I fucking despise him for the way he played. White line fever doesn't excuse his choices.
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football.
- Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals
For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players.
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It's not just about Muscat as a player, horrendous though that was - he's been a behavioural disgrace on the sidelines as a coach too.
He seems to lack any self control or sense of dignity when he goes near a football pitch. So which is the real Kevin Muscat - the charmer who people meet off the park, or the player who quite deliberately inflicted serious injuries on opposing players and foul mouthed, abusive sideline reprobate?
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