this is why you don't sign kids to endorsement deals.. they think they already made it.

Send him to Kewells team.

It was Craig Moore who brought up that Arzani was becoming known for having a shit attitude (which he probably learnt through the Celtic coaches). Spider just said if that was the case that he was gaining a reputation, then its going to make his future life in Europe even harder.

Ho hum.

how'd Amini go at Dortmund? lol

Put him on a pedestal and abuse anyone (including professional top flite managers...) that doesn't think the sun shines out of his ass - this is basically the collective approach to Daniel Arzani by the Australian football public since he came on the scene for some reason. It's both unhelpful and irrational.

His career is stagnating because he wasn't properly established both physically and mentally as a senior professional footballer and went abroad way too early. Brendan Rodgers made that clear when he arrived at Celtic that he had a lot of work to do and those comments are being echoed 2 and a half years later by a different manager so there is clearly a common denominator. His injury just so happened to take place along the way and is a convenient excuse.

If his attitude wasnt a problem, doesn't anyone think he would've come back hungrier and more determined than before?...

aha yeah that's such a Dutch response to a question about a player

I thought it was Craig Moore that said that .... he did some digging. Spider just came to the conclusion that his move has been a failure without really looking at any of the context with the two situations. I do like that podcast, but it shits me when they make these assertions without really investigating the situation completely. Neither of them mentioned that there was a change of manager at Utrecht.

Shame to hear noises coming from Europe claiming a lack of work ethic.
Daniel at least has a serious injury work in his favour regarding giving some grey area benefit of the doubt... As well as possibly a lack of a natural tank.

Do vaguely remember a young Archie Thompson either intentionally or unintentionally getting a hard work lesson for a stint at wingback playing for CSC in the NSL. Was so much more consistent thereafter.

What's the saying??... "Where there's smoke there's fire."
How much of what is being said is true, I don't know. I guess only time will tell as to how much truths are in these reports.

To be fair for context, it’s more understandable that the national team coaches would be supportive of him compare to Spider is an outsider with a different view.

It doesn’t make Spider right or now and vice versa with the national team coaches.

It just also shows how first impressions with coaches really go a long way towards a player doing well too.

If only Musky didn’t get sacked at his club in Belgium or maybe he could join Popa’s side in Greece, I think he might need someone who can get the best out of Daniel.

The coaches network in Europe is now a hurdle for him. Being supportive is not like someone taking them under their wing with proper advice.
He needs a straight shooter who can knock the chip that appears to be on his shoulder.

Thanks for info 👍 Interesting that although Spider has never worked with him (as far as i know) he chose to broadcast that he is pretty much a Euro failure with no hope anymore. Whereas Arnold, Rene Meulensteen and Bert V Marwijk have always talked highly/being supportive?! If his attitude was really bad he wouldn’t even make squads at all in first place??especially Wcup under BVM whos training was ‘torture’ according to Milligan

On Simon Jill's podcast, Spider reported that Arzani's attitude is now a known thing in Europe. 

The indication is that his attitude is poor and doesn't show the right kind of work ethic and unlikely to continue in Europe.

Ouch!!!!

goetze did well to get over his knee reco at the age of 19

i'd suggest a knee reco was more to blame. he ŵas going around Frechies as if they ŵeren't there.  players that won the Word Cup....

the reason he might have believed he was the exception is because he was the exception, ar the time.

if he were a cb or dm a knee reco is likely less impact on your game. if you are a close ball at speed player that depends on low centre of gravity and agility then its a different story

Those players left as youth players right after their 16th birthdays. If you're not going to go to Europe as a 16 year old (ideally much younger) and get into their development system, you shouldn't go until you've got two seasons of first team football under your belt. Our players leave when they're too old to be youth players and too inexperienced to play first team football in Europe. They're in no mans land.

100% this. Every player thinks they’re special and the exception. 

The difference is these guys left and got game time. Leaving young is fine if you play, in most cases its actually better than if you stayed. Our problem has been that players go to Europe young and then dont play, which stifles their development. Its why in most cases you are better off staying and getting game time and going across a bit older at 21 - 22.

There will always be exceptions, and unfortunately every player will think they are the exception which is our issue

At basically the same age goetze hit the winning goal in a WC final. Not making comparison really but he’s not so young now. 

His body was nowhere near ready for senior football either. I remember the first handful of games he started for Melbourne city, he was subbed off around the 60-70th min mark with severe cramps. 

Whenever I’ve seen Rene Hake speak in an interview, he reminds me of a robotic soldier or assassin that has no emotion or flexibility whatsoever. If he doesn’t like you- for any reason- you’re very fucked 🥵

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/he-hasn-t-been-given-a-dog-s-chance-meulensteen-blasts-utrecht-treatment-of-outcast-arzani

Have to appreciate Meulensteen going into bat for our players. Of course it's one person's opinion and it's a game of opinions but Meulensteen can generally call it in the right direction. 

Saw a post elsewhere and it's true that our players ought to gather around 100 A League games before making the riskier jumps. 

Back to the A-League, play with the Socceroos regularly and stick it up the Neverwinlands in the World Cup.

Oh for sure, I should have meant it was the coach's impression of his work ethic that was the issue, not that his view was justified.

If it’s a work ethic thing, how did he get game time in 4 matches under original coach Van den Brom? Maybe some personality clashes or something? Who knows.

Yeah it wouldn't take too much reading between the lines to come to that conclusion.

Those comments make it sound not just a talent thing but a commitment or work ethic thing. 

Yeah he did not hold back.