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Marki - 18 Jan 2021 6:56 PM
I'm over this Test match....
It's like playing Desball constantly and thinking you can win. 

Flawed from the outset.

Poor Indians didnt know if the right thing to do was to get the Aussies out, or let them keep batting! Rahane nearly flogged the 3rd man fielder for taking the catch!

The aussies better have a super dooper day tomorrow and hope the heavens dont open up, otherwise massive questions will be asked of the team tactics. 

You can praise the Indians, and they've certainly done well, but they showed in Tests 2, 3 and 4 that they can hold their wickets and play for a draw so why give them the fekking chance and play 8nto their hands?


‘Rahane nearly flogged the 3rd man fielder for taking the catch’...... ohhhh one of your best Doc!!

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From nrl.com  :

Talented young back-rower Matt Doorey has extended his time at Belmore until the end of 2022 and has been brought into the club's top 30 after previously being on a development contract.The hard-running 20 year-old represented Australian Schoolboys in 2018 and made his NRL debut in round 14 last year, scoring a try against Wests Tigers. He went on to play five games in the top grade."Matt has come through our Jersey Flegg and NSW Cup teams and has stepped up a level each time," said Bulldogs chairman John Khoury. "He was able to do that again last year with an outstanding NRL debut and we have high hopes for him moving forward."



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dman2018 - 18 Jan 2021 5:05 PM
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You can’t plan for rain... the minute you do old mate Murphy will stick his ugly mug in...
Just gotta back our quicks and the Goat to get it done with 2 new balls...

I just think we were too conservative.  We didn't push the run rate, we didn't declare so God knows how long we would have batted if we didn't get out.  
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Mooloolabadog - 18 Jan 2021 9:36 PM
dman2018 - 18 Jan 2021 5:05 PM

I just think we were too conservative.  We didn't push the run rate, we didn't declare so God knows how long we would have batted if we didn't get out.  

I think they tried to push the scoring early, we lost a few wickets then Green tried to hold up an end while Smith attacked. Smith got a freak ball, after that whenever a batsman got going they got out.
We were in danger of handing India an easy win, if we got out earlier, for a lower score.
Apart from, that India out played us and our batsmen struggled at times.

As things stand either side can get on top and cruise to an easy win. If India get a good start they can make the runs. A day is long enough to get 10 wickets if we bowl well enough.

IMO an easy Indian win is fairly likely. Most likely is India in a position to win, losing a few wickets and hanging on for a draw. 100 runs per session is easily possible if the batting side gets on top.

We have been outplayed and out enthused, an Indian win would be a fair result.
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hounddog - 18 Jan 2021 10:13 PM
Mooloolabadog - 18 Jan 2021 9:36 PM

I think they tried to push the scoring early, we lost a few wickets then Green tried to hold up an end while Smith attacked. Smith got a freak ball, after that whenever a batsman got going they got out.
We were in danger of handing India an easy win, if we got out earlier, for a lower score.
Apart from that India out played us and our batsmen struggled at times.

As things stand either side can get on top and cruise to an easy win. If India get a good start they can make the runs. A day is long enough to get 10 wickets if we bowl well enough.

IMO an easy Indian win is fairly likely. Most likely is India in a position to win, losing a few wickets and hanging on foir a draw. 100 runs per session is easily possible if the batting side gets on top.

We have been outplayed and out enthused, an Indian win would be a fair result.

With almost half their 1st team out.... Indians definitely deserve an outcome from this test match than the Aussies unfortunately!

We’re carrying too much deadwood...... Paine’s keeping, Wade’s batting, Starc’s bowling & even Warner’s inclusion is not helping!
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BloodyNora - 18 Jan 2021 9:20 PM
From nrl.com  :

Talented young back-rower Matt Doorey has extended his time at Belmore until the end of 2022 and has been brought into the club's top 30 after previously being on a development contract.The hard-running 20 year-old represented Australian Schoolboys in 2018 and made his NRL debut in round 14 last year, scoring a try against Wests Tigers. He went on to play five games in the top grade."Matt has come through our Jersey Flegg and NSW Cup teams and has stepped up a level each time," said Bulldogs chairman John Khoury. "He was able to do that again last year with an outstanding NRL debut and we have high hopes for him moving forward."



So..... that just leaves 1 spot open then doesn’t it in the top 30?
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Villi - 18 Jan 2021 10:22 PM
hounddog - 18 Jan 2021 10:13 PM

With almost half their 1st team out.... Indians definitely deserve an outcome from this test match than the Aussies unfortunately!

We’re carrying too much deadwood...... Paine’s keeping, Wade’s batting, Starc’s bowling & even Warner’s inclusion is not helping!

I  tend to agree more Paine's captaincy, but Stark has bowled rubbish at times, Lyon looks impotent most of the time,
Green is definitely a good young talent, but he has remodeled his bowling action and hasn't done much bowling recently.

 India has drafted in inexperienced bowlers, and they have mostly bowled well.

A lot of our side is out if form or maybe past their use by date.

Smith and Labs, Cummins and Hazelwood are great and have mostly contributed.
Green hasn't done that bad for a young guy tossed into big games with limited prep.
Puck looks like tne answer for one opener, get Warner injury free he should come good.
We need a new captain, Paine might go better as a keeper/ batsman without the captaincy.

We probably don't need to panic and make mass changes.

We still might jag a win with a good bowling effort tomorrow, even if we do the comments above stand.
Stark has been poor but if he hits top form could win it for us.
All things considered we need bowl short if there is no swing, especially to the lower order. A few balls like Smithy got will do the trick.
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Villi - 18 Jan 2021 10:23 PM
So..... that just leaves 1 spot open then doesn’t it in the top 30?

I think so. It's great M.D is getting a chance in first grade, he really rips in. They supposedly just signed that winger from the Warriors too, pretty quick if he can get past his shoulder injury, but his name isn't amongst these. Someone else might know about that guy.

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Let’s hope the metereobologisticasts have got it right...  no weather events (rain) in Bris once the sun is up...
My other great Hope is that DRS calls are taken out of Paines gloves...


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BloodyNora - 18 Jan 2021 10:43 PM
^Fijian Winger "Selestino Ravutaumada".

With a name like thst he has to be good.
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dman2018 - 19 Jan 2021 4:55 AM
Let’s hope the metereobologisticasts have got it right...  no weather events (rain) in Bris once the sun is up...
My other great Hope is that DRS calls are taken out of Paines gloves...


Paine >>>> DWZ

Same.... Same

Both should never be allowed call for DRS/Captains Challenge
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Villi - 19 Jan 2021 6:45 AM
dman2018 - 19 Jan 2021 4:55 AM

Paine >>>> DWZ

Same.... Same

Both should never be allowed call for DRS/Captains Challenge

Lol.
If DWZ calls for a captain's challenge, it means he dropped the ball cold.

I cant quite remember the signal for captain's challenge in rugby league but maybe DWZ is confusing it with putting his hand up to apologize to teammates for dropping the ball.

In other words, if he makes ANY sort of gesture, just ignore him.
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I think it's just about time now that Paine walks up to Pujara and asks to call the match a draw.

He can avoid the embarrassment of losing the match outright.

He can then tell them he stuffed up by not putting them into bat. 
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Winviz says Australia is fekked!
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Marki - 19 Jan 2021 6:18 PM
Winviz says Australia is fekked!

Shouldn’t you be focused on Roosters pre-season???...
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India out played us and fully deserved the win.

Smith, Labs, Cummins and Haselwood are carrying the rest of the team.

Paine is the worst Australian cricket captain I have seen by some margin.

As always in sport a loss is an opportunity to learn and do better next time.

India has us covered for population, depth of talent, team spirt, cricket  nous and strategy.
They look likely to be top dog in cricket for a long time.

On form beating South Africa, the Poms and even NZ will not be easy.
We don't want to lose to the Poms, beating them is the natural order of the universe.
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hounddog - 19 Jan 2021 8:13 PM
India out played us and fully deserved the win.

Smith, Labs, Cummins and Haselwood are carrying the rest of the team.

Paine is the worst Australian cricket captain I have seen by some margin.

As always in sport a loss is an opportunity to learn and do better next time.

India has us covered for population, depth of talent, team spirt, cricket  nous and strategy.
They look likely to be top dog in cricket for a long time.

On form beating South Africa, the Poms and even NZ will not be easy.
We don't want to lose to the Poms, beating them is the natural order of the universe.

Sack Virat!!!... He’s been holding them back!!!...

The Indians deserve full credit for the way they played in winning the series...  They roughed it out like no other touring side I’ve seen, especially with the mounting injuries...

We had a couple of guys that didn’t perform but that happens in most series... The greatest concern is we look like we had no plans to bowl out each batsman relying on brute force alone... the 3000 coaches hold the can for that...

The quicks consistently bowled too short and Lyon too straight and fast through the air...

Paine’s keeping is of huge concern.... While a tough chance, todays missed stumping in addition to several dropped catches should be enough to see him out of the side... that’s even before we get into his stupid and untimely ways of getting out and DRS options....

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dman2018 - 19 Jan 2021 9:07 PM
hounddog - 19 Jan 2021 8:13 PM

Sack Virat!!!... He’s been holding them back!!!...

The Indians deserve full credit for the way they played in winning the series...  They roughed it out like no other touring side I’ve seen, especially with the mounting injuries...

We had a couple of guys that didn’t perform but that happens in most series... The greatest concern is we look like we had no plans to bowl out each batsman relying on brute force alone... the 3000 coaches hold the can for that...

The quicks consistently bowled too short and Lyon too straight and fast through the air...

Paine’s keeping is of huge concern.... While a tough chance, todays missed stumping in addition to several dropped catches should be enough to see him out of the side... that’s even before we get into his stupid and untimely ways of getting out and DRS options....

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dman2018 - 19 Jan 2021 9:07 PM
hounddog - 19 Jan 2021 8:13 PM

Sack Virat!!!... He’s been holding them back!!!...

The Indians deserve full credit for the way they played in winning the series...  They roughed it out like no other touring side I’ve seen, especially with the mounting injuries...

We had a couple of guys that didn’t perform but that happens in most series... The greatest concern is we look like we had no plans to bowl out each batsman relying on brute force alone... the 3000 coaches hold the can for that...

The quicks consistently bowled too short and Lyon too straight and fast through the air...

Paine’s keeping is of huge concern.... While a tough chance, todays missed stumping in addition to several dropped catches should be enough to see him out of the side... that’s even before we get into his stupid and untimely ways of getting out and DRS options....

Carey obviously next in line for keeper.  Will improve the batting but an average keeper. Don't know who else. 
Captain - no option with experience other than Smith. Don't particularly want him back but who else in the short term. Cummings no experience needs to maybe be state captain next year. 
 As for spin, Lyon looked impotent on a fifth day pitch. 
Anyone but Wade in the middle order.
Green as a bowler. Needs to make the batsmen play the ball more.  A lot of nothing balls.  Also could pith up a bit more.
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Carey obviously next in line for keeper.  Will improve the batting but an average keeper. Don't know who else. 
Captain - no option with experience other than Smith. Don't particularly want him back but who else in the short term. Cummings no experience needs to maybe be state captain next year. 
 As for spin, Lyon looked impotent on a fifth day pitch. 
Anyone but Wade in the middle order.
Green as a bowler. Needs to make the batsmen play the ball more.  A lot of nothing balls.  Also could pith up a bit more.

If necessary we may be able to bring in a player with captaincy experience.

Or Smith could help Cummins, bowlers might have more idea on field placements and how to get guys out.

Lyon was disappointing a lot of the time, Stark disappointing most of the time.
Lyon, Stark and Green leaked a lot of runs, many of them from bad balls.

Perhaps the team was rusty but in that case, players should improve.

I don't remember Stark bowling a yorker, that used to be one of his weapons. Thsst indicates he is down on confidence and struggling to get it together, that was how he looked.



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hounddog - 19 Jan 2021 6:43 AM
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With a name like thst he has to be good.

Is he with us or not?
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Mooloolabadog - 19 Jan 2021 10:04 PM

Is he with us or not?

If you scroll down to 9th Jan :

https://www.facebook.com/cbbnews/

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Mooloolabadog - 19 Jan 2021 9:30 PM
dman2018 - 19 Jan 2021 9:07 PM

Carey obviously next in line for keeper.  Will improve the batting but an average keeper. Don't know who else. 
Captain - no option with experience other than Smith. Don't particularly want him back but who else in the short term. Cummings no experience needs to maybe be state captain next year. 
 As for spin, Lyon looked impotent on a fifth day pitch. 
Anyone but Wade in the middle order.
Green as a bowler. Needs to make the batsmen play the ball more.  A lot of nothing balls.  Also could pith up a bit more.

As discussed here a few weeks back Issue with giving the likes of Cunmo experience as a C in long form cricket is the way our summer is structured to accomodate T/20 crocket....
I think Smith is the right captain to get Lyon bowling slower and more at a fourth and 5th stump on the off...
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I see Mark Taylor is suggesting Sayers and Worrall as replacements for Starc to diversify attack.  Sheffield Shield 20/21:
Sayers, 4 matches, 8 wickets @ 43
Worrall, 2 matches, 2 wickets @ 103
Not a great audition for test selection
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India just played old school Test Cricket and showed how it’s done. Batting there was always one at the crease to anchor through a few partnerships while the other (usually Pant) looked after the scoring rate. Mind you they never worried too much about it, they just waited for our bowlers to tire and then cashed in - old school.

Bowling, their tactics were to individual batsmen and they had plans for them. Smith - top of leg stump with fieldsman square and just backwards. Labs - the corridor outside off. Wade - bring on a spinner to give it air and let Wade get himself out. They had a plan for everyone who walked out there - old school.

This nation which is the home of 20/20 cricket uses 20/20 cricket to find those with the technique to become Test cricketers. Any Indian who comes into the Test side has already played with and against the best cricketers in the world, past and present, and performed under pressure in front of the biggest noisiest and most hostile crowds in cricket. They’re pressure cooked, if they got the technique India already know they’ve got the temperament.

Despite this loss I still think we got the best team we’ve had for a while. The bowlers will come good and I wouldn’t change any of them yet, nor would I expect before next years Ashes. And that includes Starc, he’s had this funk before and come back more dangerous and I’d give him every opportunity to do it again. Lyon too. And it can’t be dismissed how much bowling they had to do. India’s injuries through their bowling attack was somewhat of a blessing in disguise, their bowlers were a lot fresher than ours.

Batting I think we’re looking as promising as we have for years, and why I think this is the best team we’ve had for a while. Puck and Green look long-termed and solve some real problems. In fact I think the only spot open in the top 6 is Wade’s. And I think we can afford to play whoever’s in form in that spot or #6 (moving Green to #5 if and as necessary).

And then there’s Payne, who I think is at the point Gilly realised he should retire and if Payne won’t - then push him. Before SA.

So I’d basically take the same 11, the Sydney 11 with Puck instead of Harris (excepting Payne) to SA and play them in the first Test with maybe Wade v whoever for #5 or #6 being the only other change.

Cummins to capt only because everyone who seems to matter thinks he should be, Labs a shot too maybe.

wicket-keeper? Don’t know. Be brave. Take an Ian Healy style punt on the best youngun’ in the country
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Zef - 20 Jan 2021 11:04 AM
India just played old school Test Cricket and showed how it’s done. Batting there was always one at the crease to anchor through a few partnerships while the other (usually Pant) looked after the scoring rate. Mind you they never worried too much about it, they just waited for our bowlers to tire and then cashed in - old school.

Bowling, their tactics were to individual batsmen and they had plans for them. Smith - top of leg stump with fieldsman square and just backwards. Labs - the corridor outside off. Wade - bring on a spinner to give it air and let Wade get himself out. They had a plan for everyone who walked out there - old school.

This nation which is the home of 20/20 cricket uses 20/20 cricket to find those with the technique to become Test cricketers. Any Indian who comes into the Test side has already played with and against the best cricketers in the world, past and present, and performed under pressure in front of the biggest noisiest and most hostile crowds in cricket. They’re pressure cooked, if they got the technique India already know they’ve got the temperament.

Despite this loss I still think we got the best team we’ve had for a while. The bowlers will come good and I wouldn’t change any of them yet, nor would I expect before next years Ashes. And that includes Starc, he’s had this funk before and come back more dangerous and I’d give him every opportunity to do it again. Lyon too. And it can’t be dismissed how much bowling they had to do. India’s injuries through their bowling attack was somewhat of a blessing in disguise, their bowlers were a lot fresher than ours.

Batting I think we’re looking as promising as we have for years, and why I think this is the best team we’ve had for a while. Puck and Green look long-termed and solve some real problems. In fact I think the only spot open in the top 6 is Wade’s. And I think we can afford to play whoever’s in form in that spot or #6 (moving Green to #5 if and as necessary).

And then there’s Payne, who I think is at the point Gilly realised he should retire and if Payne won’t - then push him. Before SA.

So I’d basically take the same 11, the Sydney 11 with Puck instead of Harris (excepting Payne) to SA and play them in the first Test with maybe Wade v whoever for #5 or #6 being the only other change.

Cummins to capt only because everyone who seems to matter thinks he should be, Labs a shot too maybe.

wicket-keeper? Don’t know. Be brave. Take an Ian Healy style punt on the best youngun’ in the country

I think this Indian performance proved that our bowling attack is not as great as everyone thinks it is.
We had Starc, Lyon and Green bowling rubbish that wouldn't get an 80 year old grandma out.
Only Cummings and Hazelwood were trying to get batsmen out.

If India's batsmen weren't going to get themselves out, our guys would be bowling into day 7.

There are wickets where bowlers and fielding team actually get the batsmen out and there are wickets that the bowler is lucky to have a wicket next to his name, only because the batsmen have got themselves out.

I dont believe it should be understated that if India batten 3rd in this Test match, the result would have been different.
This meant we either had to have them follow-on after first innings or have them bat first.

We had a far better chance getting these guys out when they had to set the pace rather than defend for dear life.
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Marki - 20 Jan 2021 11:50 AM
Zef - 20 Jan 2021 11:04 AM

I think this Indian performance proved that our bowling attack is not as great as everyone thinks it is.
We had Starc, Lyon and Green bowling rubbish that wouldn't get an 80 year old grandma out.
Only Cummings and Hazelwood were trying to get batsmen out.

If India's batsmen weren't going to get themselves out, our guys would be bowling into day 7.

There are wickets where bowlers and fielding team actually get the batsmen out and there are wickets that the bowler is lucky to have a wicket next to his name, only because the batsmen have got themselves out.

I dont believe it should be understated that if India batten 3rd in this Test match, the result would have been different.
This meant we either had to have them follow-on after first innings or have them bat first.

We had a far better chance getting these guys out when they had to set the pace rather than defend for dear life.

The flat wickets meant bowlers needed to bowl accurately and the captain had to have a plan for every batsman.

The lack of a plan meant more time bowling and the bowlers got tired.

With Starc and perhaps Lyon we need cover, because they rarely come good in the middle of a test series.
So with the benefit of hindsight perhaps 2 new bowlers should have played the last test.

Green needs more experience as he can potentially provide vital cover with a game.
For Lyon it is easy, throw in a leg spinner for the occasional test.

For Starc we don't have a lot of good options, if Green comes good, play Lyon and the leg spinner for the occasional test.

We have got plenty of 20/20 players and very few potential test players, this is no accident and it will be hard to fix.

Batting wise Puc, Smithy, Labs and probably Green look the goods.
We have to see how Puc goes with injuries.

Warner I'm not sure about, I would like to see his record for the last 20 tests, it seems like a while since he consistently made scores.

Paine should be dropped, but again I wonder how many like prospective test keepers we have.

The areas were the team can improve are captaincy, planning, patience, execution and depth.
We need to try a few new faces just to improve our depth and keep the team fresh.

Mentally the side needs a lift and needs better focus. They need to learn how to be polite while playing hard.
They need to cope with pressure and sledging without letting it affect their performance.
We need a Steve Waugh / Allan Border type leader, someone mentally tough with a instinct for the game and high standards.

That is why I suggest Cummins, he is mentally tough and focused, he can lead by example, if anyone sledges him, he can send his response when bowling.
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The best thing about the result is it means it’s the end of the series and we don’t have to put up with Mockviz know nothing posts about cricket, and the other know nothing liking those posts...

Caveat being we now have to deal with a similar issue for 30 weeks on N’VL...

Cant wait for the first post stating we need 17 Ben Barbas...

:)

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dman2018 - 20 Jan 2021 6:06 PM
The best thing about the result is it means it’s the end of the series and we don’t have to put up with Mockviz know nothing posts about cricket, and the other know nothing liking those posts...

Caveat being we now have to deal with a similar issue for 30 weeks on N’VL...

Cant wait for the first post stating we need 17 Ben Barbas...

:)

17 Ben Barbas would put us to shame....

17 Billy Slaters and they may as well habd us the premiership now....
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