Unfortunately there haven’t been many players better than Hoppa in the team. 

Please be true... 
He was one of our most stable and reliable players afew years ago but last year and in particular this year, he has been rubbish.

Dragons just want a bargain depth player. 

If they are open to a swap with Dufty, we are all in.

Would anybody consider signing Milford a good idea? 

Not the player you need to fight your way out of the trenches....ability yes but like Pangai Jnr not the  type we need....dig deep is not on their radar

I am not sure if Katoa was really to blame as Flanno and Manu were up and out of line and he was left posted every time with two or three players at him.
Why is the winger to blame when it is the infield players causing the problem?
Flanno proved again why he was dropped. Manu tried but maybe a bit too hard. He is a goer.  

Coaches on rotation with no roster absolutely farcical Dean Pay was a good coach.. Members are fickle and demand turnstyle leadership on Board etc.. Players want to play in stronghold winning culture!

Falling into NRL trap of chasing our tail when it comes to decision making.


This rounds off what has been a very testing 5years for the club.. things have to start to gain momentum the process can be painful but you expect the association of change to format results

As a winger or fullback sure..

Pay never had the talent so it was hard to judge.

But a weaker squad last year ultimately achived bettef results.

Defense and energy was better under Pay, the attack is better this year.
But a lot of that stems from Thompson, Meaney and Averillo, our other forwards and centres haven't had a lo if impact.

We are stuck with Baz now, just have to job he can do the job.
Getting a team from the bottom to the top is hard.

I would say as fullback / 14 if his attitude is right and the price is right.
He has to understand NRL isn't guaranteed, hevhas to earn it.

Coul easily develop into a Nicho Hynes type player at his best he was a gun fullback.

The half has to organise the defence on their edge, Hoppa and Flanno were a shambles, Flanno and Manu were a shambles. Flanno tries hard and can tackle, but team mates don't seem to be on the same page.

While Averillo is a brilliant attacker his defence can also be ordinary and Hoppa has been ordinary most of the year. 

Part of it is also down to the second rowers, we don't have experienced second rowers who are good defenders. Playing Jacko in the middle is the right move.

This is frustrating as it has been a problem most of the year.

Daily Telegraph doing a list of NRL's top 100 paid players. So far they've released 100-51. Our boys on the list so far are:

73 - Josh Jackson - $600,000
72 - Nick Cotric - $600,000
62 - Dylan Napa - $650,000

You’d have to think the cowboys players have nicknamed their assistant coach Dean Young  mini me...

If the numbers are true.
Napa is overpaid.
Cotric probably market value.
Jacko might have a long service extension, but the next contact should be a bit lower.

I recon our defensive coach is moonlighting for 3 other teams.

We were disappointed even though on paper our game was a mismatch.

The Raiders probably thought that they were a good chance of winning.

190 odd point differential in 6 games so far this weekend...
What a ‘product’!!!....

We have a defensive coach???...

Yes, he is just busy teaching the Roosters, the Raiders, and the Cowboys.

I've never seen Dr Marki and the defensive coach in the same room.

The sad reality is that even if V'lad the Impaler realises that his "product" is flawed he is so fvcking arrogant he'll never admit he fvcked up big time.

I just hope Barrett learns from his mistakes made today.

As a young coach in charge of this team, its expected he will try things and they wont succeed. But he needs to own the mistakes, learn from them and ensure they dont become frequent.

The 6 agains would have played havoc on last year's team as they have done this year...

Under the new rules…. A Dean Pay coached team would look worse no doubt about it. 

In previous years, you only needed about 3 or 4 clever players in your team, the rest could be robots.

Nowdays you can win with about 2 or 3 of these dumb players but the rest have to be smart.

In the lead up to Manlys first try, we allowed a break along the left wing to give them field position and then gave away a 6 again on 4th tackle (Jacko to blame) followed by 2 penalties.

At 6-0 down it was clear we had to settle the game down and instead cop another try. After the 3rd, which a replica of the 2nd we were shot to bits. Manly senses it and turned the game into a training run.

We need to be smarter and start games smarter. Even if we cop a try, we cant just tire ourselves with repeat sets of 6 due to stupidity or some intent to slow the game. 

We are not a team that can defend mistakes or multiple attacking raids.

We will never know but I tend to agree.

When defending up snd in the team needs good line speed, if the opposition wins contract at the ruck is is very hard to get back into position in time.

On the edges the team needs to swap to up hold slide when the line speed isn't fast enough.

I give Des and Cherry credit for  spotting a likely weakness and exploiting it.

All 3 young players seemed happy to get the run, if we are thinking of including them in the 30  next season then the experiment wasn't a dumb idea.

I think Schoupp and Wakeham need to come straight back in and the team needs to work on our edge defence. It is all about next season, I still think we might get the odd win, but the team was surprisingly flat, I thought that the young guys might have lifted the energy levels.

Appart from defence, starting games well is critical for us for the rest of the season, we can't recover from a slow start most of the time and in games this season the team that gets on top tends to stay on top.

Appart from that it is all about attitude and energy, the team needs to fire up. 

Burton and JAC will add a lot, at times Averillo is our only significant attacking weapon.
A team with only one threat is easy to defend.

Completed Daily Telegraph of the NRL's top 100 paid players. Our boys on the list are:

73 - Josh Jackson - $600,000
72 - Nick Cotric - $600,000
62 - Dylan Napa - $650,000
41 - Luke Thompson - $725,000

With DWZ gone, Thompson is apparantly our highest paid. 

The amazing thing is how few Panthers are on the list. They only have athan Cleary (No.11, $940,000), Viliame Kikau (No.67, $635,000) and Apisai Koroisau (No.95, $470,000). Shows how well they've done building a great squad through Juniors. 

And Tolman scores for the Sharks. Typical.

That changes next year for the Panthers though. Luai and JFH will both be in the top fifty. To’o and others will be in the hundred. 

Is that just salary cap payments? Reality may be different.

Yep but it will only last 1 or 2 more seasons after this. At that point, all players off contract will demand premium money for each position because lets face it, half or 3/4 of the panthers team is either the best or in top 3 of their relative positions.

I think they need to win a premiership either this year or next. Will still be top 4 after that but will be closer to the pack.

Broncos about to hand us another wooden spoon.
I blame Ikin. He's a smart operator. 
Probably spoke with the players and admin and they look a complete different team.