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Marki - 4 Oct 2021 12:05 AM
In all this NRL fanfare, Dman forgot to mention that Perth Glory has signed Daniel Sturridge on a 1 year deal for this upcoming season.....

Thats an attacking front 3 of Sturridge, Fornaroli and Keough....

#JustHandUsTheTitle 

Lets hope age does not weary them.
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Marki - 4 Oct 2021 12:00 AM
hounddog - 3 Oct 2021 10:32 PM

Tonights kicking display is the reason  Kyle Flanagan should never see first grade again... 

Bad luck we don't  have  a home ground nearer the coast. Jack Gibson's  advice was "kick it where the seagulls  are".
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Mooloolabadog - 4 Oct 2021 12:06 AM
 think both sides showed great defence. 2 tries each with Penrith having the bulk of possession speaks pretty highly of Souths defence too.

It does, And good argument given the possession that South’s defence was better.

But Penrith won and it was their defence rather than their attack that won it for them.
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dman2018 - 3 Oct 2021 10:22 PM
Marki - 3 Oct 2021 10:18 PM

That’s what I’m saying…

But to not rule it that way tonight the way they’ve ruled it all year makes it even bigger joke of what they’ve done all year…

Mate. We're  ruled by interpretations, not rules or commonsense.  Unfortunately  nothing will change and our  frustrations  will persist.
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Zef - 4 Oct 2021 12:17 AM
Mooloolabadog - 4 Oct 2021 12:06 AM

It does, And good argument given the possession that South’s defence was better.

But Penrith won and it was their defence rather than their attack that won it for them.

Or maybe one loose pass by Walker
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Mooloolabadog - 3 Oct 2021 11:59 PM
dman2018 - 3 Oct 2021 9:34 PM

A more competent  premier and the game could have been in Sydney. The whole comp for that matter.

Said like a true politician!!!… 
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Mooloolabadog - 4 Oct 2021 12:16 AM
Marki - 4 Oct 2021 12:00 AM

Bad luck we don't  have  a home ground nearer the coast. Jack Gibson's  advice was "kick it where the seagulls  are".

Last night's game had nothing to do with Kyle Flanagan...it's a wonder you didn't work Tolman and Luke Patten into your scenario.
It was a great game simple as that...as even as could be...not unduly influenced by the ref...one great play and one against the run of play for each team. Superb defence. But the attack that was thrown at that defence was great too. 
Everyone's least favourite Panther Luai actually enabled the Souths defence to get set..had he played the ball quickly it may have been 6 points on that play instead of zilch. Great players don't have to/need to  play for penalties.I was disappointed Burton didn't get a kick in general play. I am sure he will get many in 2022.
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Steveswr33333 - 4 Oct 2021 10:10 AM
Mooloolabadog - 4 Oct 2021 12:16 AM

Last night's game had nothing to do with Kyle Flanagan...it's a wonder you didn't work Tolman and Luke Patten into your scenario.
It was a great game simple as that...as even as could be...not unduly influenced by the ref...one great play and one against the run of play for each team. Superb defence. But the attack that was thrown at that defence was great too. 
Everyone's least favourite Panther Luai actually enabled the Souths defence to get set..had he played the ball quickly it may have been 6 points on that play instead of zilch. Great players don't have to/need to  play for penalties.I was disappointed Burton didn't get a kick in general play. I am sure he will get many in 2022.

There are lessons learnt from every big game whether you are playing them or not.

Cleary's kicking game basically pinned Souths set starts deep in their own half. I know Zef doesnt think it was much of a difference but it was huge. There was only 1 incident midway througj yhe second half where Cleary couldnt kick and it came from an under pressure May, but that seemed it. There was no need for anyone other than Cleary and Luai to kick.

Penrith played a very conservative game and in my opinion they diced with death as Souths had unpredictable enough players to snatch the gane from them. But they played it well. In fact they played it better than souths. Forwards made good metres but it was the kicking game and the position of the kicks that made all the difference.

The point i was making is there is no room for a half that has ineffective kicks. I doubt KF can drastically improve in this department.  As HD says, if you havent got that kicking repetoire by his age, youll never have it. 

Burton has a huge kick, we know that. It will come down to who partners him. Avo is ok as second choice as is Wakeham. 
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So for anyone that wondered why I despise I Cleary you only need to look at at his comments re Burto…

Plus he’s a smug overrated coach living off the back of the talent of a squad developed by others…

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Zef - 4 Oct 2021 12:17 AM
Mooloolabadog - 4 Oct 2021 12:06 AM

It does, And good argument given the possession that South’s defence was better.

But Penrith won and it was their defence rather than their attack that won it for them.

I think Cleary’s kicking game was the difference. Penrith had great field position off the back of it. 
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Marki - 3 Oct 2021 10:27 PM
dman2018 - 3 Oct 2021 10:22 PM

I think they started ruling on it correctly in most of the  finals to be fair.

Im just glad Luai wasnt given that crusher penalty he was looking for.... 

The Luai crusher not given. No more attempts at milking in the game. Lesson for the NRL, if the on field officials don't penalise immediately, no penalty or on field review.  Let the match review committee deal with it. End of acting for rubbish crusher tackles and minimalist high hits.
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dman2018 - 4 Oct 2021 12:40 PM
So for anyone that wondered why I despise I Cleary you only need to look at at his comments re Burto…

Plus he’s a smug overrated coach living off the back of the talent of a squad developed by others…

What did he say?
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Mooloolabadog - 4 Oct 2021 1:04 PM
Marki - 3 Oct 2021 10:27 PM

The Luai crusher not given. No more attempts at milking in the game. Lesson for the NRL, if the on field officials don't penalise immediately, no penalty or on field review.  Let the match review committee deal with it. End of acting for rubbish crusher tackles and minimalist high hits.

Yes i think that is fair.
I dont think refs miss the intentional crushers these days anyway...

If they dont penalise during the flow of the game, the bunker should only tip the ref if they deem it intentional upon review. If not, lrave it alone and let MRC deal with it. 


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Micko - 4 Oct 2021 1:13 PM
dman2018 - 4 Oct 2021 12:40 PM

What did he say?

Reality will come back to bite Burto  for leaving…
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Marki - 4 Oct 2021 1:48 PM
Mooloolabadog - 4 Oct 2021 1:04 PM

Yes i think that is fair.
I dont think refs miss the intentional crushers these days anyway...

If they dont penalise during the flow of the game, the bunker should only tip the ref if they deem it intentional upon review. If not, lrave it alone and let MRC deal with it. 


The bunker shouldn’t tip the ref off at all… and if they simply must get involved, the play shouldn’t be taken back 2 or 3 plays to penalise… on report, move on…
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Marki - 4 Oct 2021 12:05 AM
In all this NRL fanfare, Dman forgot to mention that Perth Glory has signed Daniel Sturridge on a 1 year deal for this upcoming season.....

Thats an attacking front 3 of Sturridge, Fornaroli and Keough....

#JustHandUsTheTitle 

Now you have triggered our resident soccer expert Dman, be prepared for lots of soccer stories, and stats.
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Marki - 4 Oct 2021 11:39 AM
Steveswr33333 - 4 Oct 2021 10:10 AM

There are lessons learnt from every big game whether you are playing them or not.

Cleary's kicking game basically pinned Souths set starts deep in their own half. I know Zef doesnt think it was much of a difference but it was huge. There was only 1 incident midway througj yhe second half where Cleary couldnt kick and it came from an under pressure May, but that seemed it. There was no need for anyone other than Cleary and Luai to kick.

Penrith played a very conservative game and in my opinion they diced with death as Souths had unpredictable enough players to snatch the gane from them. But they played it well. In fact they played it better than souths. Forwards made good metres but it was the kicking game and the position of the kicks that made all the difference.

The point i was making is there is no room for a half that has ineffective kicks. I doubt KF can drastically improve in this department.  As HD says, if you havent got that kicking repetoire by his age, youll never have it. 

Burton has a huge kick, we know that. It will come down to who partners him. Avo is ok as second choice as is Wakeham. 

I'm taking this post as an endorsement of Flanno at half... 😁
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I will say Dyan Walker is a player I don't like.
But I can see his talent, lock, centre or in the halves.
Might be too slow for centre these days.
Signing with the Dogs is instant redemption for past crimes.

I don't know if he is in the frame, just commentating on speculation.
Burns looks most likely..
I would probably go with Walker.
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Marki - 4 Oct 2021 12:05 AM

Now you have triggered our resident soccer expert Dman, be prepared for lots of soccer stories, and stats.

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dman2018 - 4 Oct 2021 2:06 PM
Micko - 4 Oct 2021 1:13 PM

Reality will come back to bite Burto  for leaving…

Nothing wrong with that comment.
Its hard to manage the SC legally especially after you make the GF and have only a small window of opportunity to win a title. 

At some stage you have to make critical retention decisions and try to get others on lower than market value based on the teams success. 

Burton was in that spot. No one (not even cleary) knew how well Burton would go in the centres. We are actually lucky we signed him when we did, coz now Panthers see him as a very good (strike) centre, rather than a backup half.

This is just a last throw of dice from Cleary to either test if Burton can renege or send a warning to some of his other players to consider taking  less to play in a successful team rather tuan chase the bigger bucks.

All good coaches tow this line once in this position.
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dman2018 - 4 Oct 2021 2:08 PM
Marki - 4 Oct 2021 1:48 PM

The bunker shouldn’t tip the ref off at all… and if they simply must get involved, the play shouldn’t be taken back 2 or 3 plays to penalise… on report, move on…

Im happy with either, in fact id prefer what you say.
Was just trying to find middle ground so i dont sound completely insesitive to player welfare... 
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Marki - 4 Oct 2021 3:20 PM
dman2018 - 4 Oct 2021 2:06 PM

Nothing wrong with that comment.
Its hard to manage the SC legally especially after you make the GF and have only a small window of opportunity to win a title. 

At some stage you have to make critical retention decisions and try to get others on lower than market value based on the teams success. 

Burton was in that spot. No one (not even cleary) knew how well Burton would go in the centres. We are actually lucky we signed him when we did, coz now Panthers see him as a very good (strike) centre, rather than a backup half.

This is just a last throw of dice from Cleary to either test if Burton can renege or send a warning to some of his other players to consider taking  less to play in a successful team rather tuan chase the bigger bucks.

All good coaches tow this line once in this position.

Any coach with a shred of class would have simply wished him well…
Ivans a smug prick who wouldn’t have the job if his boy wasn’t the best player in the squad… 
You wanna spend every second day crapping on about Des not being able to build a squad or coach a squad without a crapload of talent yet don’t apply that to your most recent coaching love in Ivan… 
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dman2018 - 4 Oct 2021 2:08 PM
Marki - 4 Oct 2021 1:48 PM

The bunker shouldn’t tip the ref off at all… and if they simply must get involved, the play shouldn’t be taken back 2 or 3 plays to penalise… on report, move on…

The bunker is virtually running the game.  Get the out of general play and let the ref and lineys be accountable for decisions in general play.  the game is being slowed down unneccesarily by the bunker's involvement.
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dman2018 - 4 Oct 2021 2:08 PM

The bunker is virtually running the game.  Get the out of general play and let the ref and lineys be accountable for decisions in general play.  the game is being slowed down unneccesarily by the bunker's involvement.

Annersley the politician would be very clear in his insistence the bunker doesn’t make calls in general play… sure they tip the ref off (when it suits) but don’t make the calls…
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And Tyrone Mays Instacrap another example of a club that is easy to hate with their arrogance…

Absolute grub… with no club…

I can rap too you lowlife…
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dman2018 - 4 Oct 2021 2:06 PM

Reality will come back to bite Burto  for leaving…

I think he was talking about reality biting The Panthers for Burton leaving.

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hounddog - 4 Oct 2021 2:25 PM
I will say Dyan Walker is a player I don't like.
But I can see his talent, lock, centre or in the halves.
Might be too slow for centre these days.
Signing with the Dogs is instant redemption for past crimes.

I don't know if he is in the frame, just commentating on speculation.
Burns looks most likely..
I would probably go with Walker.

If you watched Manly games back end of season and finals, he was next best after Tommy, DCE amd maybe Shuster.

He is a very good utility. Almost silly that he isnt ahead of Lachlan Croker but thats Des for you. Couldn't spot talent if it hit him in the face....

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Sounds like a gripping game!
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dman2018 - 4 Oct 2021 4:04 PM
Mooloolabadog - 4 Oct 2021 4:01 PM

Annersley the politician would be very clear in his insistence the bunker doesn’t make calls in general play… sure they tip the ref off (when it suits) but don’t make the calls…

They always take the tip so effectively they make the calls
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dman2018 - 4 Oct 2021 4:28 PM
And Tyrone Mays Instacrap another example of a club that is easy to hate with their arrogance…

Absolute grub… with no club…

I can rap too you lowlife…

Well let me be the judge of that…

Give me a couple of verses please
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