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+x+x+x+x+xSo for anyone that wondered why I despise I Cleary you only need to look at at his comments re Burto… Plus he’s a smug overrated coach living off the back of the talent of a squad developed by others… What did he say? Reality will come back to bite Burto for leaving… Nothing wrong with that comment. Its hard to manage the SC legally especially after you make the GF and have only a small window of opportunity to win a title. At some stage you have to make critical retention decisions and try to get others on lower than market value based on the teams success. Burton was in that spot. No one (not even cleary) knew how well Burton would go in the centres. We are actually lucky we signed him when we did, coz now Panthers see him as a very good (strike) centre, rather than a backup half. This is just a last throw of dice from Cleary to either test if Burton can renege or send a warning to some of his other players to consider taking less to play in a successful team rather tuan chase the bigger bucks. All good coaches tow this line once in this position. Any coach with a shred of class would have simply wished him well… Ivans a smug prick who wouldn’t have the job if his boy wasn’t the best player in the squad… You wanna spend every second day crapping on about Des not being able to build a squad or coach a squad without a crapload of talent yet don’t apply that to your most recent coaching love in Ivan… Funny you mention that... I made it clear a good 4 or 5 years ago before Ivan was even returning to coaching that we shouod sack Des and get him - and Nathan woukd have followed not to mention 1 or 2 others from penrith. Just ask Zef. We had numerous debates on this back then.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xSo for anyone that wondered why I despise I Cleary you only need to look at at his comments re Burto… Plus he’s a smug overrated coach living off the back of the talent of a squad developed by others… What did he say? Reality will come back to bite Burto for leaving… Nothing wrong with that comment. Its hard to manage the SC legally especially after you make the GF and have only a small window of opportunity to win a title. At some stage you have to make critical retention decisions and try to get others on lower than market value based on the teams success. Burton was in that spot. No one (not even cleary) knew how well Burton would go in the centres. We are actually lucky we signed him when we did, coz now Panthers see him as a very good (strike) centre, rather than a backup half. This is just a last throw of dice from Cleary to either test if Burton can renege or send a warning to some of his other players to consider taking less to play in a successful team rather tuan chase the bigger bucks. All good coaches tow this line once in this position. Any coach with a shred of class would have simply wished him well… Ivans a smug prick who wouldn’t have the job if his boy wasn’t the best player in the squad… You wanna spend every second day crapping on about Des not being able to build a squad or coach a squad without a crapload of talent yet don’t apply that to your most recent coaching love in Ivan… Funny you mention that... I made it clear a good 4 or 5 years ago before Ivan was even returning to coaching that we shouod sack Des and get him - and Nathan woukd have followed not to mention 1 or 2 others from penrith. Just ask Zef. We had numerous debates on this back then. Why wouldn’t he have simply screwed us over like he did the Tigers???…
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSo for anyone that wondered why I despise I Cleary you only need to look at at his comments re Burto… Plus he’s a smug overrated coach living off the back of the talent of a squad developed by others… What did he say? Reality will come back to bite Burto for leaving… Nothing wrong with that comment. Its hard to manage the SC legally especially after you make the GF and have only a small window of opportunity to win a title. At some stage you have to make critical retention decisions and try to get others on lower than market value based on the teams success. Burton was in that spot. No one (not even cleary) knew how well Burton would go in the centres. We are actually lucky we signed him when we did, coz now Panthers see him as a very good (strike) centre, rather than a backup half. This is just a last throw of dice from Cleary to either test if Burton can renege or send a warning to some of his other players to consider taking less to play in a successful team rather tuan chase the bigger bucks. All good coaches tow this line once in this position. Any coach with a shred of class would have simply wished him well… Ivans a smug prick who wouldn’t have the job if his boy wasn’t the best player in the squad… You wanna spend every second day crapping on about Des not being able to build a squad or coach a squad without a crapload of talent yet don’t apply that to your most recent coaching love in Ivan… Funny you mention that... I made it clear a good 4 or 5 years ago before Ivan was even returning to coaching that we shouod sack Des and get him - and Nathan woukd have followed not to mention 1 or 2 others from penrith. Just ask Zef. We had numerous debates on this back then. Why wouldn’t he have simply screwed us over like he did the Tigers???… Nope. We screwed ourselves by resigning Des, then finally sacking him, paying him out 1M but not before he went on a spending spree to cripple our SC for the next 3 years. So even if we had sacked Des in favour of Cleary when i wanted it done, and even if he ditched us to go back to the panthers if nathan wasnt interested in joining him, we would have at least saved coach payout money, and limited the SC damage. I reckon our time in the cellar would have been reduced. https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/we-should-never-have-sacked-him-panthers-boss-says-cleary-has-a-job-for-life-20211004-p58x5o.html
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But we didn't sign him and we got Hasler and the rest is history. We have passed that now, new horizons.
And even though Des took Manly deep inside of the finals, I still think he's a sh!t uni-dimensional coach.
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I'm ruling a line on the past and looking forward to the 22 season.
IMO we have a squad that should be worth watching, results should be better.
Unless we have a very bad run with injuries and suspensions, no real excuse for the coachimg staff.
One more player to be added, who might be Burns or perhaps Dylan Walker.
That is it, the squad for 22 is pretty much set and I don't think it will change.
All of the ingredients seem to be there for a good 22, I am looking forward to it.
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+xI'm ruling a line on the past and looking forward to the 22 season. IMO we have a squad that should be worth watching, results should be better. Unless we have a very bad run with injuries and suspensions, no real excuse for the coachimg staff. One more player to be added, who might be Burns or perhaps Dylan Walker. That is it, the squad for 22 is pretty much set and I don't think it will change. All of the ingredients seem to be there for a good 22, I am looking forward to it. Very exciting to watch the team play next year. Especially Burto. If we are injury and suspension free and have a little luck we should be pushing for a finals spot.
Can’t wait to see Burto kicking for the Fox and Dufty
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSo for anyone that wondered why I despise I Cleary you only need to look at at his comments re Burto… Plus he’s a smug overrated coach living off the back of the talent of a squad developed by others… What did he say? Reality will come back to bite Burto for leaving… Nothing wrong with that comment. Its hard to manage the SC legally especially after you make the GF and have only a small window of opportunity to win a title. At some stage you have to make critical retention decisions and try to get others on lower than market value based on the teams success. Burton was in that spot. No one (not even cleary) knew how well Burton would go in the centres. We are actually lucky we signed him when we did, coz now Panthers see him as a very good (strike) centre, rather than a backup half. This is just a last throw of dice from Cleary to either test if Burton can renege or send a warning to some of his other players to consider taking less to play in a successful team rather tuan chase the bigger bucks. All good coaches tow this line once in this position. Any coach with a shred of class would have simply wished him well… Ivans a smug prick who wouldn’t have the job if his boy wasn’t the best player in the squad… You wanna spend every second day crapping on about Des not being able to build a squad or coach a squad without a crapload of talent yet don’t apply that to your most recent coaching love in Ivan… Funny you mention that... I made it clear a good 4 or 5 years ago before Ivan was even returning to coaching that we shouod sack Des and get him - and Nathan woukd have followed not to mention 1 or 2 others from penrith. Just ask Zef. We had numerous debates on this back then. Why wouldn’t he have simply screwed us over like he did the Tigers???… Nope. We screwed ourselves by resigning Des, then finally sacking him, paying him out 1M but not before he went on a spending spree to cripple our SC for the next 3 years. So even if we had sacked Des in favour of Cleary when i wanted it done, and even if he ditched us to go back to the panthers if nathan wasnt interested in joining him, we would have at least saved coach payout money, and limited the SC damage. I reckon our time in the cellar would have been reduced. https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/we-should-never-have-sacked-him-panthers-boss-says-cleary-has-a-job-for-life-20211004-p58x5o.html Lolol… the master of not addressing the question at it again…
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+x+xI'm ruling a line on the past and looking forward to the 22 season. IMO we have a squad that should be worth watching, results should be better. Unless we have a very bad run with injuries and suspensions, no real excuse for the coachimg staff. One more player to be added, who might be Burns or perhaps Dylan Walker. That is it, the squad for 22 is pretty much set and I don't think it will change. All of the ingredients seem to be there for a good 22, I am looking forward to it. Very exciting to watch the team play next year. Especially Burto. If we are injury and suspension free and have a little luck we should be pushing for a finals spot.
Can’t wait to see Burto kicking for the Fox and Dufty We have a team that is capable. It really is all on Barrett and the coaching staff now. Again the real test for mine, as has been the case for the last few seasons, is after the offseason and trials are done will he know his best 1,6,7 and 9... If we get to rounds 3 and 4 and he starts chopping and changing in those critical spine positions I dare say our finals chances are farked.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSo for anyone that wondered why I despise I Cleary you only need to look at at his comments re Burto… Plus he’s a smug overrated coach living off the back of the talent of a squad developed by others… What did he say? Reality will come back to bite Burto for leaving… Nothing wrong with that comment. Its hard to manage the SC legally especially after you make the GF and have only a small window of opportunity to win a title. At some stage you have to make critical retention decisions and try to get others on lower than market value based on the teams success. Burton was in that spot. No one (not even cleary) knew how well Burton would go in the centres. We are actually lucky we signed him when we did, coz now Panthers see him as a very good (strike) centre, rather than a backup half. This is just a last throw of dice from Cleary to either test if Burton can renege or send a warning to some of his other players to consider taking less to play in a successful team rather tuan chase the bigger bucks. All good coaches tow this line once in this position. Any coach with a shred of class would have simply wished him well… Ivans a smug prick who wouldn’t have the job if his boy wasn’t the best player in the squad… You wanna spend every second day crapping on about Des not being able to build a squad or coach a squad without a crapload of talent yet don’t apply that to your most recent coaching love in Ivan… Funny you mention that... I made it clear a good 4 or 5 years ago before Ivan was even returning to coaching that we shouod sack Des and get him - and Nathan woukd have followed not to mention 1 or 2 others from penrith. Just ask Zef. We had numerous debates on this back then. Why wouldn’t he have simply screwed us over like he did the Tigers???… Nope. We screwed ourselves by resigning Des, then finally sacking him, paying him out 1M but not before he went on a spending spree to cripple our SC for the next 3 years. So even if we had sacked Des in favour of Cleary when i wanted it done, and even if he ditched us to go back to the panthers if nathan wasnt interested in joining him, we would have at least saved coach payout money, and limited the SC damage. I reckon our time in the cellar would have been reduced. https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/we-should-never-have-sacked-him-panthers-boss-says-cleary-has-a-job-for-life-20211004-p58x5o.html Lolol… the master of not addressing the question at it again… What do you mean? I thought i did exactly that. You asked "why wouldnt he have screwed us over like the Tigers" and i responded that even if he did, we would still be better off than the screwing Des did to us! And further to that point, he screwed the Tigers by paying big bucks for Mbye and JR. These guys were already in our team so he couldn't have possibly screwed us to the same extent as his short Tigers tenure.. Anyway... its water under the bridge. He has won a premiership and has coached one of the better teams of the last couple of seasons. IMO he is a very good coach. Next few years managing this roster will be a good litmus test if he can do what Bellamy and Robinson have done....
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+x+x+xI'm ruling a line on the past and looking forward to the 22 season. IMO we have a squad that should be worth watching, results should be better. Unless we have a very bad run with injuries and suspensions, no real excuse for the coachimg staff. One more player to be added, who might be Burns or perhaps Dylan Walker. That is it, the squad for 22 is pretty much set and I don't think it will change. All of the ingredients seem to be there for a good 22, I am looking forward to it. Very exciting to watch the team play next year. Especially Burto. If we are injury and suspension free and have a little luck we should be pushing for a finals spot.
Can’t wait to see Burto kicking for the Fox and Dufty We have a team that is capable. It really is all on Barrett and the coaching staff now. Again the real test for mine, as has been the case for the last few seasons, is after the offseason and trials are done will he know his best 1,6,7 and 9... If we get to rounds 3 and 4 and he starts chopping and changing in those critical spine positions I dare say our finals chances are farked. The problem isnt round 3 and 4, the problem will be round 10-12 or even later. We know Burton will be in the halves, and you can bet your bottom dollar Dufty will start at fullback. Its the other half position and hooker that remains the problem for round 1. I like the idea of getting Dylan Walker. I reckon he would be a good dummy half. He may even be able to play halfback.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSo for anyone that wondered why I despise I Cleary you only need to look at at his comments re Burto… Plus he’s a smug overrated coach living off the back of the talent of a squad developed by others… What did he say? Reality will come back to bite Burto for leaving… Nothing wrong with that comment. Its hard to manage the SC legally especially after you make the GF and have only a small window of opportunity to win a title. At some stage you have to make critical retention decisions and try to get others on lower than market value based on the teams success. Burton was in that spot. No one (not even cleary) knew how well Burton would go in the centres. We are actually lucky we signed him when we did, coz now Panthers see him as a very good (strike) centre, rather than a backup half. This is just a last throw of dice from Cleary to either test if Burton can renege or send a warning to some of his other players to consider taking less to play in a successful team rather tuan chase the bigger bucks. All good coaches tow this line once in this position. Any coach with a shred of class would have simply wished him well… Ivans a smug prick who wouldn’t have the job if his boy wasn’t the best player in the squad… You wanna spend every second day crapping on about Des not being able to build a squad or coach a squad without a crapload of talent yet don’t apply that to your most recent coaching love in Ivan… Funny you mention that... I made it clear a good 4 or 5 years ago before Ivan was even returning to coaching that we shouod sack Des and get him - and Nathan woukd have followed not to mention 1 or 2 others from penrith. Just ask Zef. We had numerous debates on this back then. Why wouldn’t he have simply screwed us over like he did the Tigers???… Nope. We screwed ourselves by resigning Des, then finally sacking him, paying him out 1M but not before he went on a spending spree to cripple our SC for the next 3 years. So even if we had sacked Des in favour of Cleary when i wanted it done, and even if he ditched us to go back to the panthers if nathan wasnt interested in joining him, we would have at least saved coach payout money, and limited the SC damage. I reckon our time in the cellar would have been reduced. https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/we-should-never-have-sacked-him-panthers-boss-says-cleary-has-a-job-for-life-20211004-p58x5o.html And we could have had marquis signings, Mbye, Reynolds and Packer on big money
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSo for anyone that wondered why I despise I Cleary you only need to look at at his comments re Burto… Plus he’s a smug overrated coach living off the back of the talent of a squad developed by others… What did he say? Reality will come back to bite Burto for leaving… Nothing wrong with that comment. Its hard to manage the SC legally especially after you make the GF and have only a small window of opportunity to win a title. At some stage you have to make critical retention decisions and try to get others on lower than market value based on the teams success. Burton was in that spot. No one (not even cleary) knew how well Burton would go in the centres. We are actually lucky we signed him when we did, coz now Panthers see him as a very good (strike) centre, rather than a backup half. This is just a last throw of dice from Cleary to either test if Burton can renege or send a warning to some of his other players to consider taking less to play in a successful team rather tuan chase the bigger bucks. All good coaches tow this line once in this position. Any coach with a shred of class would have simply wished him well… Ivans a smug prick who wouldn’t have the job if his boy wasn’t the best player in the squad… You wanna spend every second day crapping on about Des not being able to build a squad or coach a squad without a crapload of talent yet don’t apply that to your most recent coaching love in Ivan… Funny you mention that... I made it clear a good 4 or 5 years ago before Ivan was even returning to coaching that we shouod sack Des and get him - and Nathan woukd have followed not to mention 1 or 2 others from penrith. Just ask Zef. We had numerous debates on this back then. Why wouldn’t he have simply screwed us over like he did the Tigers???… Nope. We screwed ourselves by resigning Des, then finally sacking him, paying him out 1M but not before he went on a spending spree to cripple our SC for the next 3 years. So even if we had sacked Des in favour of Cleary when i wanted it done, and even if he ditched us to go back to the panthers if nathan wasnt interested in joining him, we would have at least saved coach payout money, and limited the SC damage. I reckon our time in the cellar would have been reduced. https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/we-should-never-have-sacked-him-panthers-boss-says-cleary-has-a-job-for-life-20211004-p58x5o.html And we could have had marquis signings, Mbye, Reynolds and Packer on big money I dont believe so..... As mentioned, even if Cleary came and wanted these guys, we would have resigned them on market value not inflated Tigers money.... Packer possibly the exception, but the reality is that Packer was worth it in his 1st Tiger year anyway. Im not too fussed now as we have recruited well for next year. Question marks are on TBaz and whether he can make this team and club a finals club or if he is only a good assistant....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSo for anyone that wondered why I despise I Cleary you only need to look at at his comments re Burto… Plus he’s a smug overrated coach living off the back of the talent of a squad developed by others… What did he say? Reality will come back to bite Burto for leaving… Nothing wrong with that comment. Its hard to manage the SC legally especially after you make the GF and have only a small window of opportunity to win a title. At some stage you have to make critical retention decisions and try to get others on lower than market value based on the teams success. Burton was in that spot. No one (not even cleary) knew how well Burton would go in the centres. We are actually lucky we signed him when we did, coz now Panthers see him as a very good (strike) centre, rather than a backup half. This is just a last throw of dice from Cleary to either test if Burton can renege or send a warning to some of his other players to consider taking less to play in a successful team rather tuan chase the bigger bucks. All good coaches tow this line once in this position. Any coach with a shred of class would have simply wished him well… Ivans a smug prick who wouldn’t have the job if his boy wasn’t the best player in the squad… You wanna spend every second day crapping on about Des not being able to build a squad or coach a squad without a crapload of talent yet don’t apply that to your most recent coaching love in Ivan… Funny you mention that... I made it clear a good 4 or 5 years ago before Ivan was even returning to coaching that we shouod sack Des and get him - and Nathan woukd have followed not to mention 1 or 2 others from penrith. Just ask Zef. We had numerous debates on this back then. Why wouldn’t he have simply screwed us over like he did the Tigers???… Nope. We screwed ourselves by resigning Des, then finally sacking him, paying him out 1M but not before he went on a spending spree to cripple our SC for the next 3 years. So even if we had sacked Des in favour of Cleary when i wanted it done, and even if he ditched us to go back to the panthers if nathan wasnt interested in joining him, we would have at least saved coach payout money, and limited the SC damage. I reckon our time in the cellar would have been reduced. https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/we-should-never-have-sacked-him-panthers-boss-says-cleary-has-a-job-for-life-20211004-p58x5o.html And we could have had marquis signings, Mbye, Reynolds and Packer on big money I dont believe so..... As mentioned, even if Cleary came and wanted these guys, we would have resigned them on market value not inflated Tigers money.... Packer possibly the exception, but the reality is that Packer was worth it in his 1st Tiger year anyway. Im not too fussed now as we have recruited well for next year. Question marks are on TBaz and whether he can make this team and club a finals club or if he is only a good assistant.... Can we turn players into a team?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSo for anyone that wondered why I despise I Cleary you only need to look at at his comments re Burto… Plus he’s a smug overrated coach living off the back of the talent of a squad developed by others… What did he say? Reality will come back to bite Burto for leaving… Nothing wrong with that comment. Its hard to manage the SC legally especially after you make the GF and have only a small window of opportunity to win a title. At some stage you have to make critical retention decisions and try to get others on lower than market value based on the teams success. Burton was in that spot. No one (not even cleary) knew how well Burton would go in the centres. We are actually lucky we signed him when we did, coz now Panthers see him as a very good (strike) centre, rather than a backup half. This is just a last throw of dice from Cleary to either test if Burton can renege or send a warning to some of his other players to consider taking less to play in a successful team rather tuan chase the bigger bucks. All good coaches tow this line once in this position. Any coach with a shred of class would have simply wished him well… Ivans a smug prick who wouldn’t have the job if his boy wasn’t the best player in the squad… You wanna spend every second day crapping on about Des not being able to build a squad or coach a squad without a crapload of talent yet don’t apply that to your most recent coaching love in Ivan… Funny you mention that... I made it clear a good 4 or 5 years ago before Ivan was even returning to coaching that we shouod sack Des and get him - and Nathan woukd have followed not to mention 1 or 2 others from penrith. Just ask Zef. We had numerous debates on this back then. Why wouldn’t he have simply screwed us over like he did the Tigers???… Nope. We screwed ourselves by resigning Des, then finally sacking him, paying him out 1M but not before he went on a spending spree to cripple our SC for the next 3 years. So even if we had sacked Des in favour of Cleary when i wanted it done, and even if he ditched us to go back to the panthers if nathan wasnt interested in joining him, we would have at least saved coach payout money, and limited the SC damage. I reckon our time in the cellar would have been reduced. https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/we-should-never-have-sacked-him-panthers-boss-says-cleary-has-a-job-for-life-20211004-p58x5o.html And we could have had marquis signings, Mbye, Reynolds and Packer on big money I dont believe so..... As mentioned, even if Cleary came and wanted these guys, we would have resigned them on market value not inflated Tigers money.... Packer possibly the exception, but the reality is that Packer was worth it in his 1st Tiger year anyway. Im not too fussed now as we have recruited well for next year. Question marks are on TBaz and whether he can make this team and club a finals club or if he is only a good assistant.... Can we turn players into a team? Jacko, Tommo and Burton are all great leaders... The Panthers GF win was as I expected, players carrying injuries to do it for the team. Players can set a good or bad example for their teammates. IMO we have moved on some bad examples. Effort and attitude are the bare minimum requirements. Get the right group of players, they build the team.
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What I am hoping to see from Baz in 22 is a bit smarter team selection.
If I marked him low on any criteria, team selection is it.
And we saw last game of the season, with most of the team selection right, how well we did.
Even with duds like Katoa and Napa in the starting lineup.
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+x+x+xI'm ruling a line on the past and looking forward to the 22 season. IMO we have a squad that should be worth watching, results should be better. Unless we have a very bad run with injuries and suspensions, no real excuse for the coachimg staff. One more player to be added, who might be Burns or perhaps Dylan Walker. That is it, the squad for 22 is pretty much set and I don't think it will change. All of the ingredients seem to be there for a good 22, I am looking forward to it. Very exciting to watch the team play next year. Especially Burto. If we are injury and suspension free and have a little luck we should be pushing for a finals spot.
Can’t wait to see Burto kicking for the Fox and Dufty We have a team that is capable. It really is all on Barrett and the coaching staff now. Again the real test for mine, as has been the case for the last few seasons, is after the offseason and trials are done will he know his best 1,6,7 and 9... If we get to rounds 3 and 4 and he starts chopping and changing in those critical spine positions I dare say our finals chances are farked. One hundred percent with you. We need to know the spine and stick with them.
Personally I would go with 1. Dufty 6. Burton 7. Avo 9. JMK. Unless injury don’t change it. Give any potential players a bench spot and run them in games as hooker to give JMK a rest.
Also set up each side and put players together that know each other’s games or at least suits their style. Example would be Burton on the left with Hethrington, Naden and JAC. And put Avo with Topine and Schoup together on the right with Cotric on their wing.
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+xWhat I am hoping to see from Baz in 22 is a bit smarter team selection. If I marked him low on any criteria, team selection is it. And we saw last game of the season, with most of the team selection right, how well we did. Even with duds like Katoa and Napa in the starting lineup. He changed the spine way too much. But I think he wanted to know who would be the best players long term. Avo was selected all year and I think he plays in the seven. JMK also seems obvious for the nine. Barrett hopefully makes the right choices
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+x+xWhat I am hoping to see from Baz in 22 is a bit smarter team selection. If I marked him low on any criteria, team selection is it. And we saw last game of the season, with most of the team selection right, how well we did. Even with duds like Katoa and Napa in the starting lineup. He changed the spine way too much. But I think he wanted to know who would be the best players long term. Avo was selected all year and I think he plays in the seven. JMK also seems obvious for the nine. Barrett hopefully makes the right choices If JMK is the starting 9, it is super important that BBO comes on to replace him. Our whole team lifts when BBO goes to hooker. He provides creativity feom that spot and gets our forwards on the front foot. We go from making 25-30m in a set of 5 tackles to 40-50m. That difference is immeasurable. It basically won this years GF along with Cleary's kicking game. I dont like JMK at hooker but I'll have to live with it.
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+x+x+xWhat I am hoping to see from Baz in 22 is a bit smarter team selection. If I marked him low on any criteria, team selection is it. And we saw last game of the season, with most of the team selection right, how well we did. Even with duds like Katoa and Napa in the starting lineup. He changed the spine way too much. But I think he wanted to know who would be the best players long term. Avo was selected all year and I think he plays in the seven. JMK also seems obvious for the nine. Barrett hopefully makes the right choices If JMK is the starting 9, it is super important that BBO comes on to replace him. Our whole team lifts when BBO goes to hooker. He provides creativity feom that spot and gets our forwards on the front foot. We go from making 25-30m in a set of 5 tackles to 40-50m. That difference is immeasurable. It basically won this years GF along with Cleary's kicking game. I dont like JMK at hooker but I'll have to live with it. It’s because you don’t like JMK as a player is the reason why he’s the front runner for that starting 9 spot Doc Marki, you’ll need to Dig deep & find some love for JMK…. He’ll then be out of the team for good… you know how it goes
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+x+x+x+xWhat I am hoping to see from Baz in 22 is a bit smarter team selection. If I marked him low on any criteria, team selection is it. And we saw last game of the season, with most of the team selection right, how well we did. Even with duds like Katoa and Napa in the starting lineup. He changed the spine way too much. But I think he wanted to know who would be the best players long term. Avo was selected all year and I think he plays in the seven. JMK also seems obvious for the nine. Barrett hopefully makes the right choices If JMK is the starting 9, it is super important that BBO comes on to replace him. Our whole team lifts when BBO goes to hooker. He provides creativity feom that spot and gets our forwards on the front foot. We go from making 25-30m in a set of 5 tackles to 40-50m. That difference is immeasurable. It basically won this years GF along with Cleary's kicking game. I dont like JMK at hooker but I'll have to live with it. It’s because you don’t like JMK as a player is the reason why he’s the front runner for that starting 9 spot Doc Marki, you’ll need to Dig deep & find some love for JMK…. He’ll then be out of the team for good… you know how it goes Ok here it goes..... JMK - captain and hooker of NSW cup side There.....how was that?
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+xIf JMK is the starting 9, it is super important that BBO comes on to replace him. Our whole team lifts when BBO goes to hooker. He provides creativity feom that spot and gets our forwards on the front foot. We go from making 25-30m in a set of 5 tackles to 40-50m. That difference is immeasurable. It basically won this years GF along with Cleary's kicking game. I dont like JMK at hooker but I'll have to live with it. That's likely to be how it is some of the time. Not forgetting Cook is now well & truly in the frame to either start or off the bench. I still wish they could've got Benji over while they had the chance for the additional experience, coaching & advice he has. I'm sure him & JMK are in close contact through family circles, but a lot of that would be family focused, so if he was there at training with all the extra time & the spotlight on football, it could've helped JMK & other young players out with their development.
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+x+x+x+xWhat I am hoping to see from Baz in 22 is a bit smarter team selection. If I marked him low on any criteria, team selection is it. And we saw last game of the season, with most of the team selection right, how well we did. Even with duds like Katoa and Napa in the starting lineup. He changed the spine way too much. But I think he wanted to know who would be the best players long term. Avo was selected all year and I think he plays in the seven. JMK also seems obvious for the nine. Barrett hopefully makes the right choices If JMK is the starting 9, it is super important that BBO comes on to replace him. Our whole team lifts when BBO goes to hooker. He provides creativity feom that spot and gets our forwards on the front foot. We go from making 25-30m in a set of 5 tackles to 40-50m. That difference is immeasurable. It basically won this years GF along with Cleary's kicking game. I dont like JMK at hooker but I'll have to live with it. It’s because you don’t like JMK as a player is the reason why he’s the front runner for that starting 9 spot Doc Marki, you’ll need to Dig deep & find some love for JMK…. He’ll then be out of the team for good… you know how it goes Marki needs to post that I am no chance of winning lotto.
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Spine position comparison 2021 vs 2022
Fullback:
21: Allan, Meaney, Hopoate
22: Dufty, Allan, Naden
Halves
21: Flanagan, Averillo, Lewis, Wakeham
22: Burton, Averilo, Wakeham, Flanagan
Hooker:
21: JMK, Katoa, Dietz
22: JMK, Cook, BBO
I think across the board our depth is better. Burton is a massive inclusion and Averilo will be better for this seasons experience. Next year he wont have to kick as much which will allow him to play in the moment a little more. I feel like we took a punt on Allan and Flanagan and neither worked out. That said Dufty is an upgrade on Meaney so we are definitely stronger in that position going into next year and our depth at hooker is much better. I have no idea if Cook is any good so we'll just have to wait and see but BBO really impressed in attack playing out of dummy half which was good to see.
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+xSpine position comparison 2021 vs 2022 Fullback: 21: Allan, Meaney, Hopoate 22: Dufty, Allan, Naden Halves 21: Flanagan, Averillo, Lewis, Wakeham 22: Burton, Averilo, Wakeham, Flanagan Hooker: 21: JMK, Katoa, Dietz 22: JMK, Cook, BBO I think across the board our depth is better. Burton is a massive inclusion and Averilo will be better for this seasons experience. Next year he wont have to kick as much which will allow him to play in the moment a little more. I feel like we took a punt on Allan and Flanagan and neither worked out. That said Dufty is an upgrade on Meaney so we are definitely stronger in that position going into next year and our depth at hooker is much better. I have no idea if Cook is any good so we'll just have to wait and see but BBO really impressed in attack playing out of dummy half which was good to see. Cook seems ok. You can add JAC to the list for fullback. Also middle forwads... 21. Napa, Hetheringon, Thompson, Jackson, Atoni, Odgen, Elliott, Seafood. 22. Vaughan, Hertherington, Tompson, Jackson, TPJ, Seafood, Patolo, Asiata. Overall the 22 side should be stronger in most positions...
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+x+xSpine position comparison 2021 vs 2022 Fullback: 21: Allan, Meaney, Hopoate 22: Dufty, Allan, Naden Halves 21: Flanagan, Averillo, Lewis, Wakeham 22: Burton, Averilo, Wakeham, Flanagan Hooker: 21: JMK, Katoa, Dietz 22: JMK, Cook, BBO I think across the board our depth is better. Burton is a massive inclusion and Averilo will be better for this seasons experience. Next year he wont have to kick as much which will allow him to play in the moment a little more. I feel like we took a punt on Allan and Flanagan and neither worked out. That said Dufty is an upgrade on Meaney so we are definitely stronger in that position going into next year and our depth at hooker is much better. I have no idea if Cook is any good so we'll just have to wait and see but BBO really impressed in attack playing out of dummy half which was good to see. Cook seems ok. You can add JAC to the list for fullback. Also middle forwads... 21. Napa, Hetheringon, Thompson, Jackson, Atoni, Odgen, Elliott, Seafood. 22. Vaughan, Hertherington, Tompson, Jackson, TPJ, Seafood, Patolo, Asiata. Overall the 22 side should be stronger in most positions... Yes i think '22 will allow us to assess whether some of our existing players (Jackson, JMK) have it in them or we need to cut ties with them on next contract. Other than those 2, i cant think of any players left that have been here longer than 2 years....
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James Mathey on Benji in plebnews.com article -
‘After being betrayed a second time by the club he loved (and stints at drags,Bronx’s), he found a home at Souths….’
This don’t sound right to me, pretty sure Benji walked away first time around to play rugby…
Is it my memory or just another classics example of a hack grub germoulist doing their thing???…
#zef, do my research!!!…
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Benji asked Tigers for a release in 2013 to go to Union. He only stayed with Union for a short time at the start of 2014 before going to Dragons & eventually Brisbane. He went back to Tigers in 2018 & was told in 2020 (just the once) he wasn't going to have a job in 2021, so he went to Souths.
I suspect whoever wrote that it was "twice" that Tigers "betrayed" him either confused him with Robbie Farah or was simply delusional.
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+xJames Mathey on Benji in plebnews.com article - ‘After being betrayed a second time by the club he loved (and stints at drags,Bronx’s), he found a home at Souths….’ This don’t sound right to me, pretty sure Benji walked away first time around to play rugby… Is it my memory or just another classics example of a hack grub germoulist doing their thing???… #zef, do my research!!!… Lol. Im going to hit up my boss for a huge pay rise and if i dont get it, im going to feel betrayed and leave...!!! ....if only i didnt work for myself.....
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+xJames Mathey on Benji in plebnews.com article - ‘After being betrayed a second time by the club he loved (and stints at drags,Bronx’s), he found a home at Souths….’ This don’t sound right to me, pretty sure Benji walked away first time around to play rugby… Is it my memory or just another classics example of a hack grub germoulist doing their thing???… #zef, do my research!!!… Everytime I leave you guarding my grog supply, I feel betrayed, or perhaps just stupid.
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Wow the big bash brains trust innovating yet again!!!… they easily surpass NRLol levels of innovation!!!…
75 seconds for a batspersonage+ to reach the crease after a wicket, or the bowler will get to bowl one ball at the stumps while the batspersonage+ stands at square leg!!!…
If there wasnt already enough reasons to not watch ‘crocket’ already, we have another!!!…
I would let the umpire know I was bowling that delivery underarm…
On a (leg) side note, I am hoping they would do away with the term ‘middle stump’ this year as I find it to be a triggering symbol of toxic male masculinity… and a tragic acceptance of deforestation… The slope is so slippery I can’t climate…
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