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Munrubenmuz - 20 Jan 2022 1:28 PM
Butler99 - 20 Jan 2022 11:38 AM

In a sort of related vein.  https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/celebrity-deaths/unvaccinated-czech-singer-hana-horka-dies-days-after-getting-covid19-on-purpose/news-story/db1d48c393393edf6fbac14a47fd730c

Increíble isn’t it. You literally have the world’s most advanced scientific/medical minds in unison telling people the danger and giving advice. 

On the other side of the fence you have grifters, utter morons and used furniture salesmen. And who do these idiots believe? 

If I went to 100 doctors and 97 said I had a illness that required treatment but 3 chiropractors from Eastern Europe said just take some herbal remedies and forget about it, I know who I’m listening to. 

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Munrubenmuz - 20 Jan 2022 1:28 PM
Butler99 - 20 Jan 2022 11:38 AM

In a sort of related vein.  https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/celebrity-deaths/unvaccinated-czech-singer-hana-horka-dies-days-after-getting-covid19-on-purpose/news-story/db1d48c393393edf6fbac14a47fd730c

Very sad. 
But it happens. The Vax may or may not have helped. Who knows. 
Vaccinated people die too. 

Disappointing she planned to not isolate from her family and get COVID to get a green pass so she can rejoin society. 
If society wasn't segregated she may have taken precautions. 



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Butler99 - 20 Jan 2022 3:28 PM
Munrubenmuz - 20 Jan 2022 1:28 PM

Very sad. 
But it happens. The Vax may or may not have helped. Who knows. 
Vaccinated people die too. 

Disappointing she planned to not isolate from her family and get COVID to get a green pass so she can rejoin society. 
If society wasn't segregated she may have taken precautions. 



You're really pushing your luck with this stuff. Yes some vaccinated people die but in dramatically reduced numbers. 
To play your game, yes she may have taken precautions but she may have not. Who knows. People who take precautions catch covid too.


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mcjules - 20 Jan 2022 3:42 PM
Butler99 - 20 Jan 2022 3:28 PM

You're really pushing your luck with this stuff. Yes some vaccinated people die but in dramatically reduced numbers. 
To play your game, yes she may have taken precautions but she may have not. Who knows. People who take precautions catch covid too.

How am I pushing my luck. 
Vaccinated people die from COVID as well. 
It's not a conspiracy theory. 

My point being the Vax may or may not have helped. 
I don't think anyone can say 100% of she was Vaxxed she would've survived. 

Either way. They were her choices. 
not knowing her general health conditions but at 57 she probably should've got vaxxed. 

Point about her taking precautions ... The article stated she intended to catch the virus so she can get a green pass. 
That was her aim. 
If society wasn't segregated she may have avoided her family until they weren't infected anymore. 
But yes, even taking precautions may not be enough. 
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Butler99 - 20 Jan 2022 3:51 PM
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How am I pushing my luck. 
Vaccinated people die from COVID as well. 
It's not a conspiracy theory. 

My point being the Vax may or may not have helped. 
I don't think anyone can say 100% of she was Vaxxed she would've survived. 

Either way. They were her choices. 
not knowing her general health conditions but at 57 she probably should've got vaxxed. 

Point about her taking precautions ... The article stated she intended to catch the virus so she can get a green pass. 
That was her aim. 
If society wasn't segregated she may have avoided her family until they weren't infected anymore. 
But yes, even taking precautions may not be enough. 

You're pushing your luck because you're persistently posting half truths, have been rebutted multiple times and yet you continue. I can't say for sure but the behaviour is very similar to another poster who happened to stop posting just before you started...

On the balance of probabilities, she was far far far more likely to have survived being vaccinated and then been infected. She consciously made a terrible choice for herself. For you to flippantly say she might still have died anyway in your quest to rebuke mandatory vaccination is pretty low.

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mcjules - 20 Jan 2022 4:03 PM
Butler99 - 20 Jan 2022 3:51 PM

You're pushing your luck because you're persistently posting half truths, have been rebutted multiple times and yet you continue. I can't say for sure but the behaviour is very similar to another poster who happened to stop posting just before you started...

On the balance of probabilities, she was far far far more likely to have survived being vaccinated and then been infected. She consciously made a terrible choice for herself. For you to flippantly say she might still have died anyway in your quest to rebuke mandatory vaccination is pretty low.


When vaccinations are not sterilizing the virus then mandatory vaxes are obsolete. 
It's that simple. 

Vaccination does not prevent death 100% of the time is not a half truth. 

What other half truths have I "persistently posted"?
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Butler99 - 20 Jan 2022 4:22 PM
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What other half truths have I "persistently posted"?

While not a half truth, you've posted the complete lie that the the vaccines were advertised as the solution and end of covid. 

No experts in the field or developers have said that. In fact they routinely said the complete opposite that they will always be tweaked and response will change as we learn more. 
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it will be a criminal offense soon to post vaccination misinformation online

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tsf - 20 Jan 2022 4:39 PM
Butler99 - 20 Jan 2022 4:22 PM

While not a half truth, you've posted the complete lie that the the vaccines were advertised as the solution and end of covid. 

No experts in the field or developers have said that. In fact they routinely said the complete opposite that they will always be tweaked and response will change as we learn more. 

Vaccines were advertised as being 100% effective and  statement made that they will stop the infection. That is true. 
The advertising was done by those pushing it. Fauci, Biden and the CDC isn't enough for you?? 
I've posted their comments earlier. 

Dan Andrews tweet says it as well. 
"Vaccination is our only way out of this pandemic. 

As we ease restrictions, more social and recreation activities open up for fully vaccinated Victorians.

So, if you're choosing not to get vaccinated, you're choosing to be left behind. It's as simple as that."

Government and health officials advertising vaccines as our way back to normality did happen. Total truth. 

Anyway. How about this from the Pfizer ceo on 1/4/2021. Perhaps an April fools joke?
"Excited to share that updated analysis from our Phase 3 study with BioNTech also showed that our COVID-19 vaccine was 100% effective in preventing #COVID19 cases in South Africa. 100%!"

https://twitter.com/AlbertBourla/status/1377618480527257606?t=4ml4IbKdMnfKBe1Q9qrsoA&s=19

Perhaps not advertised on billboards. But definitely spruiked 
Not exactly 100% effective at preventing cases now are they?? 
Nowhere near it i'd suggest. 

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cesspit - 20 Jan 2022 4:44 PM
it will be a criminal offense soon to post vaccination misinformation online

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Lol. (If true) Good luck policing that.


Member since 2008.


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Munrubenmuz - 20 Jan 2022 5:02 PM
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Lol. (If true) Good luck policing that.

Pfizer ceo could be in trouble then. 

Albert Bourla, CEO of Pfizer stating in April 2021 that the vaccines were "100% effective in preventing COVID.  100%!!".
 Then in January 2022, he admits the vaccines "offer very limited protection, if any" as it relates to transmission. 
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Found this little gem... 
Little video compilation of the change of narrative over time. 
Some of the earlier comments are pretty clear and decisive about the vaccines efficacy. 

https://twitter.com/superhip83/status/1475202612014239753?t=ctExYVDHPmsBd9QsEJNWOQ&s=19

Yes. Its from the USA but that's where the vaccine originated from isn't it. So no doubt they'd be pushing the message first. And the rest of the world follows. Like the WMD message 20 years ago. 

And sure Biden has dementia and probably doesn't know what he is saying. Just reading from the script he's been given. 
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Butler99 - 20 Jan 2022 4:59 PM
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The advertising was done by those pushing it. 

Please show me where a leading epidemiologist, scientist or vaccine developer has said these initial vaccines are the disease finished. 

No links to an edit of senile Biden rambling, proper sources please. 
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tsf - 20 Jan 2022 7:58 PM
Butler99 - 20 Jan 2022 4:59 PM

Please show me where a leading epidemiologist, scientist or vaccine developer has said these initial vaccines are the disease finished. 

No links to an edit of senile Biden rambling, proper sources please. 

I already granted you Biden rambling doesn't mean much. 
But I'm sure he didn't come up with those comments himself. 

Did you not listen to CDC director Rochelle Walensky. 
Do you know who she is?
Quote "vaccinated people do not carry the virus don't get sick" - from the video clip. 
Then later in the clip the narrative changed. She said "what they can't do ANYMORE is prevent transmission". 

Pfizer ceo also gloated the vaccine prevents COVID cases 100%. Twitter link from 1/4/21

Fauci on the video clip "when people are vaccinated they can feel safe that they are not going to get infected" 

Those 3 are quite reputable? 
No?

Sources have been supplied in earlier posts. 

Have a listen to the video clip again. 
Forget about Biden's idiocy. But the leader of the free world promoting it will reach more people than a billboard. 
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Surely the following people promoting the vaccines efficacy is pretty high up the ladder. 
As reputable as you'll get. 

President of the USA (although he has dementia)
Chief medical advisor to the POTUS. 
CDC director 
Pfizer CEO

Why you so hung up on it ?? 

They said it.
They overstated the efficacy of the vaccines. 
Things have changed. 



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excellent news the first centre for national resilience is about to open in Queensland

the unvaccinated can be stored here after they arrive in the country.

the Pałaszczuk government have done a fine job to get this off the ground so quickly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck-g1kMeKcw
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Butler99 - 20 Jan 2022 8:26 PM
tsf - 20 Jan 2022 7:58 PM

I already granted you Biden rambling doesn't mean much. 
But I'm sure he didn't come up with those comments himself. 

Did you not listen to CDC director Rochelle Walensky. 
Do you know who she is?
Quote "vaccinated people do not carry the virus don't get sick" - from the video clip. 
Then later in the clip the narrative changed. She said "what they can't do ANYMORE is prevent transmission". 

Pfizer ceo also gloated the vaccine prevents COVID cases 100%. Twitter link from 1/4/21

Fauci on the video clip "when people are vaccinated they can feel safe that they are not going to get infected" 

Those 3 are quite reputable? 
No?

Sources have been supplied in earlier posts. 

Have a listen to the video clip again. 
Forget about Biden's idiocy. But the leader of the free world promoting it will reach more people than a billboard. 

cool, so like I said:

"Please show me where a leading epidemiologist, scientist or vaccine developer has said these initial vaccines are the disease finished."

Do you have the original video or reliable source for the Pfizer CEO saying that the Pfizer vaccine prevents covid 100%?


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It would be a weird thing for a CEO to say when their own press release clearly sated that initial trials with a group of recipients had it as 91% efficacy when measured up to six months. Not 100% 

The only 100% was they did say in their initial press release it was 100% effective in trials at preventing serious illness in the groups.
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tsf - 20 Jan 2022 8:44 PM
Butler99 - 20 Jan 2022 8:26 PM

cool, so like I said:

"Please show me where a leading epidemiologist, scientist or vaccine developer has said these initial vaccines are the disease finished."

Do you have the original video or reliable source for the Pfizer CEO saying that the Pfizer vaccine prevents covid 100%?


Look at my earlier post. 
Pfizer ceo Twitter feed gloats about it. 

I never said a leading epidemiologist, scientist or vaccien developer has said these initial vaccines are the disease finished. 

My claims were we were told vaccines will stop the virus infecting people. I've showed you proof. See earlier posts. 
We were told the vaccine is our way back to normal here in Australia. Dan Andrews Twitter feed. 

That's supporting my "half truths".  I've provided evidence to back up what I said. 
What you're asking for has nothing to do with what I said. You're looking for something I've never claimed. Looking for a gotchya moment. 

That's the end. 
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Great, so complete and utter bullshit. Glad that's done. 
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Butler99 - 20 Jan 2022 9:09 PM
That's the end. 

Cool. Will hold you to that.

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mcjules - 20 Jan 2022 9:29 PM
Butler99 - 20 Jan 2022 9:09 PM

Cool. Will hold you to that.

Of that discussion  

I thought I've provided enough information.  
No need to go over it again and again. 
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what the actual fuck.  Seriously, what is the end game here for McGowan? Stay closed off for eternity?


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Butler99 - 20 Jan 2022 9:34 PM
mcjules - 20 Jan 2022 9:29 PM

Of that discussion  

I thought I've provided enough information.  
No need to go over it again and again. 
😁👍

You literally posted nothing that supported any of your claims at all.
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sydneyfc1987 - 21 Jan 2022 9:18 AM
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what the actual fuck.  Seriously, what is the end game here for McGowan? Stay closed off for eternity?

Yeah, it's warped. 

But it's obviously popular with the majority of voters there.

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tsf - 21 Jan 2022 9:30 AM
sydneyfc1987 - 21 Jan 2022 9:18 AM

Yeah, it's warped. 

But it's obviously popular with the majority of voters there.

I get it, but it's just not realistic.  One way or another omicron is going to explode in WA.  It's just a matter of when.  

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Cool. So who's turn is it next to sap 100 pages arguing anti-vaxx rot?

I'm all for vaccination choice but the important thing to remember is opening up at 95% means 95% have to actually want to take it. Where is the incentive for people who sit in the 5% to discourage the 95% from getting vaccinated when they are creating your only viable means of freedom and living along side this thing?

Unless you think we can do this without anybody being vaccinated at all. So what is your proposed solution in that instance?

I'm happy to have a discussion as to why not getting vaccinated should be a choice, and would even argue on your side. But this rubbish of posting "facts", stats and numbers to try to prove vaccination is detrimental is exactly that. Rubbish
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It would be good if we could go into social contracts. Considering that unvaccinated people are disproportionally taking up all the medical resources at the moment and depriving many others of medical care, besides making them get vaccinated maybe they could forgo running to the same doctors that told them to get vaccinated in the first place once they ultimately get sick. 

Or maybe they could agree to seek the help of the medical experts like Craig Kelly or Clive Palmer instead of clogging our hospitals. 

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Alot of people dying from this supposed 'less deadly' variant.  

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/news/Pages/20220121_00.aspx

Sadly, NSW Health is today reporting the deaths of 46 people with COVID-19; 33 men and 13 women. Seven of these deaths have been included following the conclusion of coronial investigations – these seven deaths occurred from 29 December through to 13 January.

Of the 46 people who died; one person was aged in their 30s, one person was in their 40s, four people were in their 50s, eight people were in their 60s, 12 people were in their 70s, 13 people were in their 80s, and seven people were in their 90s.

One person had received three doses of a COVID-19 vaccine, 29 people had received two doses, two people had received one dose and 14 people were not vaccinated. Older age is a significant risk factor for serious illness and death for COVID-19, particularly when combined with significant underlying health conditions.

Of the seven people who died aged under 65, all were men. Two men had received two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine and five men were not vaccinated, including the men in their 30s and 40s. Three of the five men who were not vaccinated had significant underlying health conditions and two, including the man in his 30s, did not. Both men who were vaccinated had significant underlying health conditions.

20 people were from South Western Sydney, five were from western Sydney, three were from Sydney's south, two were from Sydney's Eastern Suburbs, two were from Newcastle, two were from northern Sydney, one was from Sydney's Northern Beaches, one was from Sydney's inner west, one was from Port Macquarie, one was from Coffs Harbour, one was from Queanbeyan, one was from the Bega Valley area, one was from Singleton, one was from the Jervis Bay area, one was from Inner Sydney, one was from Wollongong, one was from the South Coast and one was from the Tweed Heads area.



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holy shit is that one day in nsw 46?
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