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+xLooks like the conversation got too interesting and amicable for some of the odder voices on the net. Decentrics creepy stalkers are back Cause and effect.
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Some points where video presenter, Alfie, is correct.
One is that the A L has too many import places - 5 per team. A lot of these experienced journeymen, or former big stars, are on the decline. They often start off in the A L at their best having played in better leagues , but they are here, because successive European club coaches have already noted their decline. At the end of the season they will probably be slightly worse than the beginning of the season, as they age.
Also, many of these import positions are forwards. It is even tougher for young Aussie strikers - a position where we don't have much depth.
With only 11 Aus A League clubs, too many young Aussies, who have the ability to improve quickly over the season, are selected behind big name imports. The experienced imports don't make the mistakes that young players do, but by not playing, the domestic Aussies can't improve much.
Alfie, the video presenter, states there are 5 imports per A L team and advocates 2 imports. I agree.
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+x+x+x+x+xOne argument in particular to counter the essence of this video, with quite a few populist, but spurious premises, is this. There are only 9-11 teams that have qualified for the last five World Cups in succession. There are 2008, possibly more now, registered FIFA football playing nations. *Europe Spain England France Germany Switzerland I'm not sure if Portugal have achieved this too? I know Croatia missed out in 2010. *Asia Japan South Korea Australia Have Iran qualified for the last five WCs? *Africa Now that Nigeria has failed to qualify for the Qatar WC, I'm not sure any African football nation has achieved five successive WCs in a row? *CONMEBOL Brazil Argentina We stopped Uruguay in 2006. *CONCACAF Mexico The next question should be posed, why have Australia qualified five times in succession? It can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten: CONMEBOL twice in WC sudden death play offs - against Uruguay 2006 and Peru 2022. Australia has also beaten CONCACAF once in a sudden WC death intercontinental play off - against Honduras in 2018. Australia have only directly qualified via Asian WCQers exclusively - twice - in 2010 and 2014. One of the reasons, not touched on by any of the 6 GGs in a video posted on here, is that the National Curriculum has been installed. It has put great emphasis on training Aussie coaches and having quality European powerhouse based coach education imparted in Australia. Prior to Rob Baan and Han Berger's Football Aus TD tenures, coaching was ad hoc all over the country. There was no consistency whatsoever. There might have been good coaching occurring at one club, or with one team, or a team in a suburb close by, but there was a lot of shonky coaching occurring in many settings. This was because there was no national coaching system established with European based methodology to ensure a mandated level of quality everywhere. This has led to far better tactical coaching by Aussie trained domestic coaches - in the Socceroos, Matildas, A League, W League, A L Academies, NPL clubs - senior, youth, junior. Any coach who does C Licence ( Semi - Pro and Pro) and beyond, has to undertake comprehensive match analysis training, and, has been trained to plan coaching sessions on the training track, based on those problems identified in the match performance of a team. When, Who, Where, Why, What, How? To use some technical terms: *There are three thirds of the pitch where coaches have to analyse Ball Possession and Ball Possession Opposition performance based on the previous game, or groups of games that a coach's team plays. * Four man moments - BP, BPO, Attacking and Defensive Transitions. * Communication and structure to organise teams. In Ball Possession formations can evolve depending on the phases of play - eg 4-4-2 Ball Possession Opposition, 4- 2-3-1 in back and middle third of the pitch in Ball Possession, then evolving to 4-3-3 alternating with 4-2-4 in the attacking third of the pitch for Ball Possession, reverting to 4-4-2 in Defensive Transition. The Socceroos did this against Peru, and particularly in the first half peruvian coach Gareco was going ballistic, because he couldn't counter the Aussie game plan. Ostensibly, Gareco is a master coach in South America, but he struggled to combat Arnie's game plan. Meanwhile, Peru used a simple 4-3-3 defensive midfield triangle in Possession and and a 1:4 midfield 4-5-1 in BPO - a simple game plan to negate. I think I'm correct in advancing this, but only the Czech coach of SFC after Kosmina and Butcher, has had any success since about 2010 when Aussie coaches were inculcated with the European powerhouse methodology from Football Aus coach education. Since I think it has only been the parent countries of the national curriculum coach education, that have succeeded in Australia - French, Dutch, Spanish or German - which is a amalgam of how Aussie domestic coaches have been trained. Despite not having improved technique greatly ( which takes a long time), until the recent graduates of about 8 years of Skills Acquisition Program have started coming through in the last few years at under 23 and senior level, tactically our teams are usually very good. Moreover, Australian national Under 16s, Under 17s, Under 20s and Under 23s, play a similar structure and formations as each other. It is easier for players to adapt to national team game plans as players progress through the underage ranks. Australian teams in 2022, are able to play far better as team units, than even in 2006. No matter how man GGs we had playing in European leagues, they were inexperienced playing international football until Pim's WCQ campaign starting in 2008. Playing 2 big sudden death games against Oceanian opposition, 2 big intercontinental two legged sudden death knocked out games, plus 3 games at the Federation Cup, amounted to 7 meaningful competitive games prior to the 2008- 2010 Asian WCQing campaign. _Now we play something like 20 WCQers. - 3 games at the WC -Circa 8 Asian Cup qualifiers -3-7 games at the Asian Cup *7 meaningful games every four years pre 2006 for the Socceroos. Now the Socceroos play 35 - 40 meaningful games every 4 years! The latter scenario is going to create a much more cohesive, battle hardened, match savvy team unit. The video claims that the Socceroos were used to big games at club level with the GG. True. But they weren't at international level. Our worst performance in the Asian Cup tournament was probably 2007, where the GG struggled. Decentric, with respect, can I ask are you a fan of the game of football? Im curious to know if you had a childhood obsession with the sport, a favourite club or clubs? A player you idolised growing up perhaps and pretended to be playing in the backyard or at school with mates? I dont mean with an analytical, calculating accountants perspective which you clearly enjoy that aspect of. Just wanting to understand the motivation behind the methodology. DId you ever play, or actively support a club? I pretty much disagree with the majority of your opinions and that reflects on the way I view the game as opposed to the way you do. I am by no means under the illusion that I am right (not even half the time) and you are wrong, its just that your approach to the sport is so foreign to me. Im not trying to be insulting in any way btw, genuinely curious. Fair comment, MSC. Played underage state rep, NPL youth and NPL senior level. Coached junior suburban, state feeder rep underage teams, adult women, country club Tech Dir and was an NPL club Tech Dir. Not so much this season, but have watched a lot of NPL senior level football. Grew up in England until age 10, supporting Liverpool and Glasgow Rangers. Also, supported my local town team - Glastonbury. I used to watch them live in 1965 and 1966. For most of the A L have supported Melb Vic, and then changed to Melb City a few years back. Plus I've recently wanted to see CCM do well. Hey Decentric, thanks for taking the time to respond. Sounds like you are a poor, lost, "football tragic" soul like most here.... :) I would take Decentric's CV with a pinch of salt if I were you. Meh, I don't believe the half of it but at the end if the day the bloke cares enough (or one of his personas cares enough) about football to at least download the national curriculum and make a case about what he thinks would/could work.... who he knows and what he has done is irrelevant to me, were all just voices on the internet.... I could be Gabriel Batistuta, Marco Van Basten or Charlize Theron for all you know.... :)
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+x+x+x+xOne argument in particular to counter the essence of this video, with quite a few populist, but spurious premises, is this. There are only 9-11 teams that have qualified for the last five World Cups in succession. There are 2008, possibly more now, registered FIFA football playing nations. *Europe Spain England France Germany Switzerland I'm not sure if Portugal have achieved this too? I know Croatia missed out in 2010. *Asia Japan South Korea Australia Have Iran qualified for the last five WCs? *Africa Now that Nigeria has failed to qualify for the Qatar WC, I'm not sure any African football nation has achieved five successive WCs in a row? *CONMEBOL Brazil Argentina We stopped Uruguay in 2006. *CONCACAF Mexico The next question should be posed, why have Australia qualified five times in succession? It can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten: CONMEBOL twice in WC sudden death play offs - against Uruguay 2006 and Peru 2022. Australia has also beaten CONCACAF once in a sudden WC death intercontinental play off - against Honduras in 2018. Australia have only directly qualified via Asian WCQers exclusively - twice - in 2010 and 2014. One of the reasons, not touched on by any of the 6 GGs in a video posted on here, is that the National Curriculum has been installed. It has put great emphasis on training Aussie coaches and having quality European powerhouse based coach education imparted in Australia. Prior to Rob Baan and Han Berger's Football Aus TD tenures, coaching was ad hoc all over the country. There was no consistency whatsoever. There might have been good coaching occurring at one club, or with one team, or a team in a suburb close by, but there was a lot of shonky coaching occurring in many settings. This was because there was no national coaching system established with European based methodology to ensure a mandated level of quality everywhere. This has led to far better tactical coaching by Aussie trained domestic coaches - in the Socceroos, Matildas, A League, W League, A L Academies, NPL clubs - senior, youth, junior. Any coach who does C Licence ( Semi - Pro and Pro) and beyond, has to undertake comprehensive match analysis training, and, has been trained to plan coaching sessions on the training track, based on those problems identified in the match performance of a team. When, Who, Where, Why, What, How? To use some technical terms: *There are three thirds of the pitch where coaches have to analyse Ball Possession and Ball Possession Opposition performance based on the previous game, or groups of games that a coach's team plays. * Four man moments - BP, BPO, Attacking and Defensive Transitions. * Communication and structure to organise teams. In Ball Possession formations can evolve depending on the phases of play - eg 4-4-2 Ball Possession Opposition, 4- 2-3-1 in back and middle third of the pitch in Ball Possession, then evolving to 4-3-3 alternating with 4-2-4 in the attacking third of the pitch for Ball Possession, reverting to 4-4-2 in Defensive Transition. The Socceroos did this against Peru, and particularly in the first half peruvian coach Gareco was going ballistic, because he couldn't counter the Aussie game plan. Ostensibly, Gareco is a master coach in South America, but he struggled to combat Arnie's game plan. Meanwhile, Peru used a simple 4-3-3 defensive midfield triangle in Possession and and a 1:4 midfield 4-5-1 in BPO - a simple game plan to negate. I think I'm correct in advancing this, but only the Czech coach of SFC after Kosmina and Butcher, has had any success since about 2010 when Aussie coaches were inculcated with the European powerhouse methodology from Football Aus coach education. Since I think it has only been the parent countries of the national curriculum coach education, that have succeeded in Australia - French, Dutch, Spanish or German - which is a amalgam of how Aussie domestic coaches have been trained. Despite not having improved technique greatly ( which takes a long time), until the recent graduates of about 8 years of Skills Acquisition Program have started coming through in the last few years at under 23 and senior level, tactically our teams are usually very good. Moreover, Australian national Under 16s, Under 17s, Under 20s and Under 23s, play a similar structure and formations as each other. It is easier for players to adapt to national team game plans as players progress through the underage ranks. Australian teams in 2022, are able to play far better as team units, than even in 2006. No matter how man GGs we had playing in European leagues, they were inexperienced playing international football until Pim's WCQ campaign starting in 2008. Playing 2 big sudden death games against Oceanian opposition, 2 big intercontinental two legged sudden death knocked out games, plus 3 games at the Federation Cup, amounted to 7 meaningful competitive games prior to the 2008- 2010 Asian WCQing campaign. _Now we play something like 20 WCQers. - 3 games at the WC -Circa 8 Asian Cup qualifiers -3-7 games at the Asian Cup *7 meaningful games every four years pre 2006 for the Socceroos. Now the Socceroos play 35 - 40 meaningful games every 4 years! The latter scenario is going to create a much more cohesive, battle hardened, match savvy team unit. The video claims that the Socceroos were used to big games at club level with the GG. True. But they weren't at international level. Our worst performance in the Asian Cup tournament was probably 2007, where the GG struggled. Decentric, with respect, can I ask are you a fan of the game of football? Im curious to know if you had a childhood obsession with the sport, a favourite club or clubs? A player you idolised growing up perhaps and pretended to be playing in the backyard or at school with mates? I dont mean with an analytical, calculating accountants perspective which you clearly enjoy that aspect of. Just wanting to understand the motivation behind the methodology. DId you ever play, or actively support a club? I pretty much disagree with the majority of your opinions and that reflects on the way I view the game as opposed to the way you do. I am by no means under the illusion that I am right (not even half the time) and you are wrong, its just that your approach to the sport is so foreign to me. Im not trying to be insulting in any way btw, genuinely curious. Fair comment, MSC. Played underage state rep, NPL youth and NPL senior level. Coached junior suburban, state feeder rep underage teams, adult women, country club Tech Dir and was an NPL club Tech Dir. Not so much this season, but have watched a lot of NPL senior level football. Grew up in England until age 10, supporting Liverpool and Glasgow Rangers. Also, supported my local town team - Glastonbury. I used to watch them live in 1965 and 1966. For most of the A L have supported Melb Vic, and then changed to Melb City a few years back. Plus I've recently wanted to see CCM do well. So let me get this straight, you watched Glastonbury as a kid back in 1965, yet somehow played NPL youth, a competition which didnt start until around 2015? Must be a late developer or do you drive a DeLorean? Also last time you spruiked your talents, you were TD of the Womens Program at Tilford/Hobart Zebras (cough cough), when did the promotion to TD of NPL occur? . I was TD for the entire NPL club for a short time, until a men's TD was appointed. Then it was exclusively female TD from juniors upwards at the NPL club, including senior women at the NPL club, and some underage male teams at the NPL club. Plus mentoring club coaches was part of the TD of the women's program job at the NPL club. The clubs I played for are termed NPL now, with the new nomenclature - not when I played for them many decades ago. You are derailing the thread.
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+xSome points where video presenter, Alfie, is correct. One is that the A L has too many import places - 5 per team. A lot of these experienced journeymen, or former big stars, are on the decline. They often start off in the A L at their best having played in better leagues , but they are here, because successive European club coaches have already noted their decline. At the end of the season they will probably be slightly worse than the beginning of the season, as they age. Also, many of these import positions are forwards. It is even tougher for young Aussie strikers - a position where we don't have much depth. With only 11 Aus A League clubs, too many young Aussies, who have the ability to improve quickly over the season, are selected behind big name imports. The experienced imports don't make the mistakes that young players do, but by not playing, the domestic Aussies can't improve much. Alfie, the video presenter, states there are 5 imports per A L team and advocates 2 imports. I agree. Yes going down at least one or two foreigners would probably make a huge difference. All reward little risk compared to the other issues imo
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Another point which is untrue raised by Alfie, and a few former pro players who struggle with the cerebral quality of the newer NC, claim newer players aren't creative.
They've done heaps of technical development in the Skills Acquisition Program. The difference between Coerver, is that the SAP is realistic match based skill development, but used in match related scenarios.
Many players developed in the last 10 years, who are reaching adulthood have a degree of creativity.
It makes it tough for Australia to compete with many other Asian countries who are investing more money in football.
China has shown little return for all their investment, but other Asian countries are paying big dollars to import that European or South American tactical and technical nous.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xOne argument in particular to counter the essence of this video, with quite a few populist, but spurious premises, is this. There are only 9-11 teams that have qualified for the last five World Cups in succession. There are 2008, possibly more now, registered FIFA football playing nations. *Europe Spain England France Germany Switzerland I'm not sure if Portugal have achieved this too? I know Croatia missed out in 2010. *Asia Japan South Korea Australia Have Iran qualified for the last five WCs? *Africa Now that Nigeria has failed to qualify for the Qatar WC, I'm not sure any African football nation has achieved five successive WCs in a row? *CONMEBOL Brazil Argentina We stopped Uruguay in 2006. *CONCACAF Mexico The next question should be posed, why have Australia qualified five times in succession? It can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten: CONMEBOL twice in WC sudden death play offs - against Uruguay 2006 and Peru 2022. Australia has also beaten CONCACAF once in a sudden WC death intercontinental play off - against Honduras in 2018. Australia have only directly qualified via Asian WCQers exclusively - twice - in 2010 and 2014. One of the reasons, not touched on by any of the 6 GGs in a video posted on here, is that the National Curriculum has been installed. It has put great emphasis on training Aussie coaches and having quality European powerhouse based coach education imparted in Australia. Prior to Rob Baan and Han Berger's Football Aus TD tenures, coaching was ad hoc all over the country. There was no consistency whatsoever. There might have been good coaching occurring at one club, or with one team, or a team in a suburb close by, but there was a lot of shonky coaching occurring in many settings. This was because there was no national coaching system established with European based methodology to ensure a mandated level of quality everywhere. This has led to far better tactical coaching by Aussie trained domestic coaches - in the Socceroos, Matildas, A League, W League, A L Academies, NPL clubs - senior, youth, junior. Any coach who does C Licence ( Semi - Pro and Pro) and beyond, has to undertake comprehensive match analysis training, and, has been trained to plan coaching sessions on the training track, based on those problems identified in the match performance of a team. When, Who, Where, Why, What, How? To use some technical terms: *There are three thirds of the pitch where coaches have to analyse Ball Possession and Ball Possession Opposition performance based on the previous game, or groups of games that a coach's team plays. * Four man moments - BP, BPO, Attacking and Defensive Transitions. * Communication and structure to organise teams. In Ball Possession formations can evolve depending on the phases of play - eg 4-4-2 Ball Possession Opposition, 4- 2-3-1 in back and middle third of the pitch in Ball Possession, then evolving to 4-3-3 alternating with 4-2-4 in the attacking third of the pitch for Ball Possession, reverting to 4-4-2 in Defensive Transition. The Socceroos did this against Peru, and particularly in the first half peruvian coach Gareco was going ballistic, because he couldn't counter the Aussie game plan. Ostensibly, Gareco is a master coach in South America, but he struggled to combat Arnie's game plan. Meanwhile, Peru used a simple 4-3-3 defensive midfield triangle in Possession and and a 1:4 midfield 4-5-1 in BPO - a simple game plan to negate. I think I'm correct in advancing this, but only the Czech coach of SFC after Kosmina and Butcher, has had any success since about 2010 when Aussie coaches were inculcated with the European powerhouse methodology from Football Aus coach education. Since I think it has only been the parent countries of the national curriculum coach education, that have succeeded in Australia - French, Dutch, Spanish or German - which is a amalgam of how Aussie domestic coaches have been trained. Despite not having improved technique greatly ( which takes a long time), until the recent graduates of about 8 years of Skills Acquisition Program have started coming through in the last few years at under 23 and senior level, tactically our teams are usually very good. Moreover, Australian national Under 16s, Under 17s, Under 20s and Under 23s, play a similar structure and formations as each other. It is easier for players to adapt to national team game plans as players progress through the underage ranks. Australian teams in 2022, are able to play far better as team units, than even in 2006. No matter how man GGs we had playing in European leagues, they were inexperienced playing international football until Pim's WCQ campaign starting in 2008. Playing 2 big sudden death games against Oceanian opposition, 2 big intercontinental two legged sudden death knocked out games, plus 3 games at the Federation Cup, amounted to 7 meaningful competitive games prior to the 2008- 2010 Asian WCQing campaign. _Now we play something like 20 WCQers. - 3 games at the WC -Circa 8 Asian Cup qualifiers -3-7 games at the Asian Cup *7 meaningful games every four years pre 2006 for the Socceroos. Now the Socceroos play 35 - 40 meaningful games every 4 years! The latter scenario is going to create a much more cohesive, battle hardened, match savvy team unit. The video claims that the Socceroos were used to big games at club level with the GG. True. But they weren't at international level. Our worst performance in the Asian Cup tournament was probably 2007, where the GG struggled. Decentric, with respect, can I ask are you a fan of the game of football? Im curious to know if you had a childhood obsession with the sport, a favourite club or clubs? A player you idolised growing up perhaps and pretended to be playing in the backyard or at school with mates? I dont mean with an analytical, calculating accountants perspective which you clearly enjoy that aspect of. Just wanting to understand the motivation behind the methodology. DId you ever play, or actively support a club? I pretty much disagree with the majority of your opinions and that reflects on the way I view the game as opposed to the way you do. I am by no means under the illusion that I am right (not even half the time) and you are wrong, its just that your approach to the sport is so foreign to me. Im not trying to be insulting in any way btw, genuinely curious. Fair comment, MSC. Played underage state rep, NPL youth and NPL senior level. Coached junior suburban, state feeder rep underage teams, adult women, country club Tech Dir and was an NPL club Tech Dir. Not so much this season, but have watched a lot of NPL senior level football. Grew up in England until age 10, supporting Liverpool and Glasgow Rangers. Also, supported my local town team - Glastonbury. I used to watch them live in 1965 and 1966. For most of the A L have supported Melb Vic, and then changed to Melb City a few years back. Plus I've recently wanted to see CCM do well. Hey Decentric, thanks for taking the time to respond. Sounds like you are a poor, lost, "football tragic" soul like most here.... :) I would take Decentric's CV with a pinch of salt if I were you. Meh, I don't believe the half of it but at the end if the day the bloke cares enough (or one of his personas cares enough) about football to at least download the national curriculum and make a case about what he thinks would/could work.... who he knows and what he has done is irrelevant to me, were all just voices on the internet.... I could be Gabriel Batistuta, Marco Van Basten or Charlize Theron for all you know.... :) Thanks for not taking the bait, the number of times on this forum there has been no football content for days because a bunch a bunch of randos pile on decentric is bizarre. We are indeed just a bunch of randos on the net trying to relax chatting about a sport we love for what its worth i was a b grade cb for all my youth but love the game and have for years watched aussies abroad playing in obscure leagues in the middle of the night. I got pretty good at cricket mind you
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A compelling point Alfie makes is that countries where private academies which cost money, with only more affluent parents being able to afford them for their children's football education, as opposed to free access for quality coaching, don't tend to improve compared to other countries where it is accessible for free.
He sets out very sound rationale as to why they don't work to improve a nation's national team performances.
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+xAnother point which is untrue raised by Alfie, and a few former pro players who struggle with the cerebral quality of the newer NC, claim newer players aren't creative. They've done heaps of technical development in the Skills Acquisition Program. The difference between Coerver, is that the SAP is realistic match based skill development, but used in match related scenarios. Many players developed in the last 10 years, who are reaching adulthood have a degree of creativity. It makes it tough for Australia to compete with many other Asian countries who are investing more money in football. China has shown little return for all their investment, but other Asian countries are paying big dollars to import that European or South American tactical and technical nous. China is improving from such a low point they could rise over the next few years for all we know it seems right that many sap graduates have phenomenal creativity, some skeptics on the forum seem to have been converted by what they have seen at grass roots. having said that there was someone high profile that knows their stuff and said that what they were taught was super rigid. Another panelist gave a different impression. It did make me wonder if the ntc is being taught inconsistently?
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+x+xAnother point which is untrue raised by Alfie, and a few former pro players who struggle with the cerebral quality of the newer NC, claim newer players aren't creative. They've done heaps of technical development in the Skills Acquisition Program. The difference between Coerver, is that the SAP is realistic match based skill development, but used in match related scenarios. Many players developed in the last 10 years, who are reaching adulthood have a degree of creativity. It makes it tough for Australia to compete with many other Asian countries who are investing more money in football. China has shown little return for all their investment, but other Asian countries are paying big dollars to import that European or South American tactical and technical nous. China is improving from such a low point they could rise over the next few years for all we know it seems right that many sap graduates have phenomenal creativity, some skeptics on the forum seem to have been converted by what they have seen at grass roots. having said that there was someone high profile that knows their stuff and said that what they were taught was super rigid. Another panelist gave a different impression. It did make me wonder if the ntc is being taught inconsistently? I'm expecting China at some stage to become the powerhouse in our region. Then again in a European context, Russia has underachieved compared to what both Russia and China have achieved at the Olympics. The USA are also an Olympic powerhouse, but football isn't the main sport there, whilst it is such a big game in Russia and China. If Asia is divided into two confederations, West Asia and East Asia, eventually I think it will be China and Japan who are the East Asian powerhouses. If it stays as the same confederation, surely China will catch Japan as Asia's heavyweight too? Japan has embarked on a sound 50 year football plan adopting Brazilian coaching methodology.
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+xA compelling point Alfie makes is that countries where private academies which cost money, with only more affluent parents being able to afford them for their children's football education, as opposed to free access for quality coaching, don't tend to improve compared to other countries where it is accessible for free. He sets out very sound rationale as to why they don't work to improve a nation's national team performances. I don't think that is the point he was trying to make actually. Mentioning countries like Brazil and Argentina, without a structured academy system (private or otherwise) but with a massive amount of cultural acceptance of street soccer, local tournaments and volunteering seems to suggest that: 10s of thousands of kids playing the game on dirt pitches without any coaching creates better players than parents paying thousands to have Johnny and Jenny baby-sat three nights a week by a "coach" using a confusing jargony manual, while mummy sits in the Range Rover on Instagram.......
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+x+xA compelling point Alfie makes is that countries where private academies which cost money, with only more affluent parents being able to afford them for their children's football education, as opposed to free access for quality coaching, don't tend to improve compared to other countries where it is accessible for free. He sets out very sound rationale as to why they don't work to improve a nation's national team performances. I don't think that is the point he was trying to make actually. Mentioning countries like Brazil and Argentina, without a structured academy system (private or otherwise) but with a massive amount of cultural acceptance of street soccer, local tournaments and volunteering seems to suggest that: 10s of thousands of kids playing the game on dirt pitches without any coaching creates better players than parents paying thousands to have Johnny and Jenny baby-sat three nights a week by a "coach" using a confusing jargony manual, while mummy sits in the Range Rover on Instagram....... He made that point as well. Those poor areas have been conducive to developing top footballers, because kids don't have as much to do. I've read books about it. Even in Europe it is a common phenomenon. A lot of kids who live in small apartments are desperate to get outside and play football for something to do in the poorer parts of towns and cities. Alfie made a sage point. Robin van Persie, in either a Jonathan Wilson or Simon Kuper book, apparently spent most of his time playing football to get out out of his small family apartment. One of the things that Arie Schans and Ad Derkson, Dutch KNVB staff coaches, said when they were coaching in Australia, was that there is less and less space for kids to play street football over a lot of Europe. Hence, the quality of street footballers isn't what it was in Europe. The view from pro clubs, is that most current kids in Europe are not playing as much street football as their parents. I've coached quite a lot of former refugees, aged 8-18, who have played a lot of street football in camps. They've often got really good close ball skills, having played a lot of street football in tight spaces, but they are very one footed and one side of the body dominant.
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One point that Alfie made is that Martin Boyle leaving Scotland for Saudi Arabia is a step down in standard. Outside the Old Firm in the Scottish Professional Football League, I'm not sure Saudi is a step down in standard?
Not all European leagues are as good as Alfie makes them out to be. There is a chasm in quality between Spain's La Liga and the Bundesliga on the one hand, compared to Albania's and Finland's top divisions on the other hand. I'd argue that Japan may be better than many European leagues, even with more depth.
Aussies Josh Kennedy and Eddie Bosnar claimed the J League compared favourably to some European leagues - much than many Europeans would be aware of.
I'd contend that the J League may have more depth than the Eredivisie. The big Dutch clubs, Ajax, PSV, Feyenoorde ( just had a bad season) should be a class above, but I'd surmise that many Japanese clubs in the J L are similar standard to the mid ranked Eredivisie clubs. There is a big drop off to the Eredivise lower ranked clubs on the table.
Mitch Duke thinks technically, the J L is a class above the A L. However, when Shinji Ono came here to play for WSW (through the FA coaching grapevine) he stated the A L was superior tactically by some margin. So did former J L player, Jade North.
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One league Alfie is correct about being appalling in Asia is the Kuwait League. I taught infants there and coached football in the school.
I can't believe Ryan McGowan is selected for the Socceroos playing in the Kuwait League? Given it is such a rich country, when I watched the Kuwait League it was appalling in standard. I'd surmise some of the better Aussie NPL clubs would more than hold their own.
Yet Kuwait produced that mercurial player who has caused us nightmares - Al Shamari?
McGowan shouldn't be selected for the Socceroos playing in Kuwait. I agree with Alfie, moving from SPFL club Hearts to the Kuwait League is a huge step down. There is a chasm in class between the Kuwait League and the J League in Asia.
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Finally, Alfie concludes by saying Australia's current team is nowhere near as good as they were 15 years ago.
In terms of the clubs they played for it may be true, but in terms of an international battle hardened, cohesive, tactically savvy unit, the current lot would be superior.
Just refer back to Grazor's video thread of the Socceroos and have look at how we played against Iran in 1997, Argentina in 1993, Uruguay in 2001, and even in the 2006 WC and subsequent 2007 Asian Cup.
Check out all the turnovers conceded, general mistakes, lack of communication, less than optimum off the ball movement in attack, less cohesive team pressing and squeezing in BPO, in the Socceroo manifestations of those earlier periods.
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+x+xAnother point which is untrue raised by Alfie, and a few former pro players who struggle with the cerebral quality of the newer NC, claim newer players aren't creative. They've done heaps of technical development in the Skills Acquisition Program. The difference between Coerver, is that the SAP is realistic match based skill development, but used in match related scenarios. Many players developed in the last 10 years, who are reaching adulthood have a degree of creativity. It makes it tough for Australia to compete with many other Asian countries who are investing more money in football. China has shown little return for all their investment, but other Asian countries are paying big dollars to import that European or South American tactical and technical nous. It did make me wonder if the ntc is being taught inconsistently? It probably is. Some former Socceroos, who are now coaches, like Frank Farina, and another guy with a Greek name, want a mandated, prescriptive manual. It isn't like that. Coaches have a fair bit of autonomy to design their own coaching session with a framework, depending on the needs of the teams, and individual players. Coaching sessions take a lot of planning.
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When New Football took over from old soccer, some 18 years ago, I would constantly hear about the rise of China, the massive investment in Chinese football, how they will become a powerhouse, etc. etc.
Yet they are every bit as crap today as they were 18 years ago.
They are so crap, and likely to remain crap, and that is precisely why FIFA introduced the 48 nation World cup, so that crap football countries like China and India might one day fluke a world cup spot (China made it once before, but that appearance is eminently forgettable).
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+xWhen New Football took over from old soccer, some 18 years ago, I would constantly hear about the rise of China, the massive investment in Chinese football, how they will become a powerhouse, etc. etc. Yet they are every bit as crap today as they were 18 years ago. They are so crap, and likely to remain crap, and that is precisely why FIFA introduced the 48 nation World cup, so that crap football countries like China and India might one day fluke a world cup spot (China made it once before, but that appearance is eminently forgettable). You do realise that China football is one very corrupt organisation, they piled money into the sport but not many were prepared to lose money, there was no plan or structure for the future. However, if they ever get their house in order, watch out.
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+xFinally, Alfie concludes by saying Australia's current team is nowhere near as good as they were 15 years ago. In terms of the clubs they played for it may be true, but in terms of an international battle hardened, cohesive, tactically savvy unit, the current lot would be superior. Just refer back to Grazor's video thread of the Socceroos and have look at how we played against Iran in 1997, Argentina in 1993, Uruguay in 2001, and even in the 2006 WC and subsequent 2007 Asian Cup. Check out all the turnovers conceded, general mistakes, lack of communication, less than optimum off the ball movement in attack, less cohesive team pressing and squeezing in BPO, in the Socceroo manifestations of those earlier periods. I've been watching football in this country since the 1974 World cup & this (above) is a fairly reasonable assessment of our standing as a footballing national team. I was there in Munich for Socceroos v Brazil in WC06 & was so pumped by their performances & had arguments with Brazilian supporters after the game about our performance. They said we were not good enough, no skill, it wasn't until I got home & watched a replay & understood, yes we gave it everything, we were a very typical Aussie side gave it our best, but our football were 2-3 rungs below them, we fought hard but footballing wise we were on in the game, despite so many of our many PL stars.
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Did sokkah decline? So, it was it at an incline then..
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+x+xFinally, Alfie concludes by saying Australia's current team is nowhere near as good as they were 15 years ago. In terms of the clubs they played for it may be true, but in terms of an international battle hardened, cohesive, tactically savvy unit, the current lot would be superior. Just refer back to Grazor's video thread of the Socceroos and have look at how we played against Iran in 1997, Argentina in 1993, Uruguay in 2001, and even in the 2006 WC and subsequent 2007 Asian Cup. Check out all the turnovers conceded, general mistakes, lack of communication, less than optimum off the ball movement in attack, less cohesive team pressing and squeezing in BPO, in the Socceroo manifestations of those earlier periods. I've been watching football in this country since the 1974 World cup & this (above) is a fairly reasonable assessment of our standing as a footballing national team. I was there in Munich for Socceroos v Brazil in WC06 & was so pumped by their performances & had arguments with Brazilian supporters after the game about our performance. They said we were not good enough, no skill, it wasn't until I got home & watched a replay & understood, yes we gave it everything, we were a very typical Aussie side gave it our best, but our football were 2-3 rungs below them, we fought hard but footballing wise we were on in the game, despite so many of our many PL stars. yes can agree but lets not forget the development department was way diff than of todays/current gen getting into our NT. The GG as individuals (some of) were better imo but as a unit we can't compare the way the game is played nowdays to back then. Ofcourse the errors would have been higher, turnovers etcetc the guys as a unit the last 10yrs are drilled way better lets get real in regards to D2. Right now we are still rugs below imo just more polished/organised depending who we play.
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+x+x+xA compelling point Alfie makes is that countries where private academies which cost money, with only more affluent parents being able to afford them for their children's football education, as opposed to free access for quality coaching, don't tend to improve compared to other countries where it is accessible for free. He sets out very sound rationale as to why they don't work to improve a nation's national team performances. I don't think that is the point he was trying to make actually. Mentioning countries like Brazil and Argentina, without a structured academy system (private or otherwise) but with a massive amount of cultural acceptance of street soccer, local tournaments and volunteering seems to suggest that: 10s of thousands of kids playing the game on dirt pitches without any coaching creates better players than parents paying thousands to have Johnny and Jenny baby-sat three nights a week by a "coach" using a confusing jargony manual, while mummy sits in the Range Rover on Instagram....... He made that point as well. Those poor areas have been conducive to developing top footballers, because kids don't have as much to do. I've read books about it, where even in Europe it is a common phenomenon. A lot of kids who live in small apartments are desperate to get outside and play football for something to do in the poorer parts of towns and cities. Alfie made a sage point. Robin van Persie, in either a Jonathan Wilson or Simon Kuper book, apparently spent most of his time playing football to get out out of his small family apartment. One of the things that Arie Schans and Ad Derkson, Dutch KNVB staff coaches, said when they were coaching in Australia, was that there is less and less space for kids to play street football over a lot of Europe. Hence, the quality of street footballers isn't what it was. The view from pro clubs, is that most current kids in Europe are not playing as much street football as their parents. I've coached quite a lot of former refugees, aged 8-18, who have played a lot of street football in camps. They've often got really good close ball skills, having played a lot of street football in tight spaces, but they are very one footed and one side of the body dominant. Yeah it would be terrible if Australia ever created another Diego Armando Maradona (God rest his soul for eternity)... :P
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+x+x+x+xA compelling point Alfie makes is that countries where private academies which cost money, with only more affluent parents being able to afford them for their children's football education, as opposed to free access for quality coaching, don't tend to improve compared to other countries where it is accessible for free. He sets out very sound rationale as to why they don't work to improve a nation's national team performances. I don't think that is the point he was trying to make actually. Mentioning countries like Brazil and Argentina, without a structured academy system (private or otherwise) but with a massive amount of cultural acceptance of street soccer, local tournaments and volunteering seems to suggest that: 10s of thousands of kids playing the game on dirt pitches without any coaching creates better players than parents paying thousands to have Johnny and Jenny baby-sat three nights a week by a "coach" using a confusing jargony manual, while mummy sits in the Range Rover on Instagram....... He made that point as well. Those poor areas have been conducive to developing top footballers, because kids don't have as much to do. I've read books about it, where even in Europe it is a common phenomenon. A lot of kids who live in small apartments are desperate to get outside and play football for something to do in the poorer parts of towns and cities. Alfie made a sage point. Robin van Persie, in either a Jonathan Wilson or Simon Kuper book, apparently spent most of his time playing football to get out out of his small family apartment. One of the things that Arie Schans and Ad Derkson, Dutch KNVB staff coaches, said when they were coaching in Australia, was that there is less and less space for kids to play street football over a lot of Europe. Hence, the quality of street footballers isn't what it was. The view from pro clubs, is that most current kids in Europe are not playing as much street football as their parents. I've coached quite a lot of former refugees, aged 8-18, who have played a lot of street football in camps. They've often got really good close ball skills, having played a lot of street football in tight spaces, but they are very one footed and one side of the body dominant. Yeah it would be terrible if Australia ever created another Diego Armando Maradona (God rest his soul for eternity)... :P Diego is a bit of an exception as a one foot dominant player! What an incredible player he was!
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+x+xWhen New Football took over from old soccer, some 18 years ago, I would constantly hear about the rise of China, the massive investment in Chinese football, how they will become a powerhouse, etc. etc. Yet they are every bit as crap today as they were 18 years ago. They are so crap, and likely to remain crap, and that is precisely why FIFA introduced the 48 nation World cup, so that crap football countries like China and India might one day fluke a world cup spot (China made it once before, but that appearance is eminently forgettable). You do realise that China football is one very corrupt organisation, they piled money into the sport but not many were prepared to lose money, there was no plan or structure for the future. However, if they ever get their house in order, watch out. Whereas Japan have really got their act together. Even Arsene Wenger has called it a world class development system.
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Another point that Alfie makes, which is very true, is the media dominance of Aussie Rules in southern states. Plus he alludes to how hostile egg ball is to football. All true.
I thought football was making inroads into egg ball, and AFL in particular, plus league and union ( to a lesser extent), were extremely hostile to football's emergence.
However, in recent times, football seems to be getting less and less media coverage. I'm struggling to find any free new football sites, whereas other football sites like any Murdoch, Age and SMH site, one now has to pay for it.
SBS seems to be covering very little football too.
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+x+x+xFinally, Alfie concludes by saying Australia's current team is nowhere near as good as they were 15 years ago. In terms of the clubs they played for it may be true, but in terms of an international battle hardened, cohesive, tactically savvy unit, the current lot would be superior. Just refer back to Grazor's video thread of the Socceroos and have look at how we played against Iran in 1997, Argentina in 1993, Uruguay in 2001, and even in the 2006 WC and subsequent 2007 Asian Cup. Check out all the turnovers conceded, general mistakes, lack of communication, less than optimum off the ball movement in attack, less cohesive team pressing and squeezing in BPO, in the Socceroo manifestations of those earlier periods. I've been watching football in this country since the 1974 World cup & this (above) is a fairly reasonable assessment of our standing as a footballing national team. I was there in Munich for Socceroos v Brazil in WC06 & was so pumped by their performances & had arguments with Brazilian supporters after the game about our performance. They said we were not good enough, no skill, it wasn't until I got home & watched a replay & understood, yes we gave it everything, we were a very typical Aussie side gave it our best, but our football were 2-3 rungs below them, we fought hard but footballing wise we were on in the game, despite so many of our many PL stars. yes can agree but lets not forget the development department was way diff than of todays/current gen getting into our NT. The GG as individuals (some of) were better imo but as a unit we can't compare the way the game is played nowdays to back then. Ofcourse the errors would have been higher, turnovers etcetc the guys as a unit the last 10yrs are drilled way better lets get real in regards to D2. Right now we are still rugs below imo just more polished/organised depending who we play. Probably agree with all your post, LFC. However, I wanted to make the point about the massive tactical and structural improvement of teams in Australia, given it has been ignored - even by former Socceroos of the GG. In a panel of six former GG - two hadn't pursued coaching, and another three had mainly trained in England - much worse coach education practices than Aus. Craig Moore thought too much coach education in Aus was too classroom based and not enough on the training track. I disagree. The classroom stuff needs to be done. At least Moore has trained here though.
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+xWhen New Football took over from old soccer, some 18 years ago, I would constantly hear about the rise of China, the massive investment in Chinese football, how they will become a powerhouse, etc. etc. Yet they are every bit as crap today as they were 18 years ago. They are so crap, and likely to remain crap, and that is precisely why FIFA introduced the 48 nation World cup, so that crap football countries like China and India might one day fluke a world cup spot (China made it once before, but that appearance is eminently forgettable). I actually wonder if it it is to get more European countries into the WC? I think UEFA only has 13 teams in the current WCQ quota? FIFA want a worldwide spread of teams competing, but ATM it is at the expense of some decent quality UEFA teams. UEFA have far too many quality teams who can't qualify under the current quota. This time Italy, Ukraine, Turkey, Czech Republic, Greece, Sweden, Ireland, Austria, Scotland, Russia ( for different reasons), etc, have all missed out on Qatar. It is arguable that most of these teams could qualify in any other confederation. I suppose Russia and Turkey have most of their two countries geographically existing in the continent of Asia.
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+x+xWhen New Football took over from old soccer, some 18 years ago, I would constantly hear about the rise of China, the massive investment in Chinese football, how they will become a powerhouse, etc. etc. Yet they are every bit as crap today as they were 18 years ago. They are so crap, and likely to remain crap, and that is precisely why FIFA introduced the 48 nation World cup, so that crap football countries like China and India might one day fluke a world cup spot (China made it once before, but that appearance is eminently forgettable). I actually wonder if it it is to get more European countries into the WC? I think UEFA only has 13 teams in the current WCQ quota? FIFA want a worldwide spread of teams competing, but ATM it is at the expense of some decent quality UEFA teams. UEFA have far too many quality teams who can't qualify under the current quota. This time Italy, Ukraine, Turkey, Czech Republic, Greece, Sweden, Ireland, Austria, Scotland, Russia ( for different reasons), etc, have all missed out on Qatar. It is arguable that most of these teams could qualify in any other confederation. I suppose Russia and Turkey have most of their two countries geographically existing in the continent of Asia. This first quote was the original FIFA proposal. "All six confederations will have at least one team in the expanded tournament, with no inter-confederation play-offs prior to the play-off tournament.The World Cup hosts will still qualify automatically, with their slot taken from their confederation's quota.The recommended places for each confederation are: - Africa - 9 (up from 5)
- Asia - 8 (up from 4 or 5)
- Europe - 16 (up from 13)
- North, Central America and Caribbean - 6 (up from 3 or 4)
- Oceania - 1 (from 0 or 1)
- South America - 6 (up from 4 or 5)"
BBC football website 30 Mar 2017."FIFA have confirmed how the new qualification process will work, as the following formula was voted in at their 67th FIFA congress: UEFA = 16 teams will qualify
CAF = 9.5 (.5 represents one playoff team)
AFC = 8.5
CONMBEOL = 6.5
CONCACAF = 6.5
OFC = 1.5
A playoff tournament involving six teams will be held in the U.S., Mexico and Canada to decide the final two teams who reach the World Cup. The two playoff teams with the highest FIFA world ranking will be seeded, while the other four will play a semifinal round to decide who reaches the final to play the two seeded teams. One playoff team will come from each of the confederations (except UEFA) and there will be an extra team from the CONCACAF region to make up the six teams." https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2022/06/26/2026-world-cup-how-will-it-work/
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+x+x+xFinally, Alfie concludes by saying Australia's current team is nowhere near as good as they were 15 years ago. In terms of the clubs they played for it may be true, but in terms of an international battle hardened, cohesive, tactically savvy unit, the current lot would be superior. Just refer back to Grazor's video thread of the Socceroos and have look at how we played against Iran in 1997, Argentina in 1993, Uruguay in 2001, and even in the 2006 WC and subsequent 2007 Asian Cup. Check out all the turnovers conceded, general mistakes, lack of communication, less than optimum off the ball movement in attack, less cohesive team pressing and squeezing in BPO, in the Socceroo manifestations of those earlier periods. I've been watching football in this country since the 1974 World cup & this (above) is a fairly reasonable assessment of our standing as a footballing national team. I was there in Munich for Socceroos v Brazil in WC06 & was so pumped by their performances & had arguments with Brazilian supporters after the game about our performance. They said we were not good enough, no skill, it wasn't until I got home & watched a replay & understood, yes we gave it everything, we were a very typical Aussie side gave it our best, but our football were 2-3 rungs below them, we fought hard but footballing wise we were on in the game, despite so many of our many PL stars. yes can agree but lets not forget the development department was way diff than of todays/current gen getting into our NT. The GG as individuals (some of) were better imo but as a unit we can't compare the way the game is played nowdays to back then. Ofcourse the errors would have been higher, turnovers etcetc the guys as a unit the last 10yrs are drilled way better lets get real in regards to D2. Right now we are still rugs below imo just more polished/organised depending who we play. Yes the GG had two great individuals that we have never produced before or since & they both had the potential to be World class, but for injuries (Kewell) & desire or will (Viduka, remember hearing Alan Shearer say he wishes he had half the skills of the Duke) & of the greatest Scceroos of all Timmy, not the most skillful, but the man with the most desire. This was the big difference, some other very very good players in the GG (hence called GG), but they were not generally that much better then what we have now individually, unlike the 3 I just mentioned.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xOne argument in particular to counter the essence of this video, with quite a few populist, but spurious premises, is this. There are only 9-11 teams that have qualified for the last five World Cups in succession. There are 2008, possibly more now, registered FIFA football playing nations. *Europe Spain England France Germany Switzerland I'm not sure if Portugal have achieved this too? I know Croatia missed out in 2010. *Asia Japan South Korea Australia Have Iran qualified for the last five WCs? *Africa Now that Nigeria has failed to qualify for the Qatar WC, I'm not sure any African football nation has achieved five successive WCs in a row? *CONMEBOL Brazil Argentina We stopped Uruguay in 2006. *CONCACAF Mexico The next question should be posed, why have Australia qualified five times in succession? It can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten: CONMEBOL twice in WC sudden death play offs - against Uruguay 2006 and Peru 2022. Australia has also beaten CONCACAF once in a sudden WC death intercontinental play off - against Honduras in 2018. Australia have only directly qualified via Asian WCQers exclusively - twice - in 2010 and 2014. One of the reasons, not touched on by any of the 6 GGs in a video posted on here, is that the National Curriculum has been installed. It has put great emphasis on training Aussie coaches and having quality European powerhouse based coach education imparted in Australia. Prior to Rob Baan and Han Berger's Football Aus TD tenures, coaching was ad hoc all over the country. There was no consistency whatsoever. There might have been good coaching occurring at one club, or with one team, or a team in a suburb close by, but there was a lot of shonky coaching occurring in many settings. This was because there was no national coaching system established with European based methodology to ensure a mandated level of quality everywhere. This has led to far better tactical coaching by Aussie trained domestic coaches - in the Socceroos, Matildas, A League, W League, A L Academies, NPL clubs - senior, youth, junior. Any coach who does C Licence ( Semi - Pro and Pro) and beyond, has to undertake comprehensive match analysis training, and, has been trained to plan coaching sessions on the training track, based on those problems identified in the match performance of a team. When, Who, Where, Why, What, How? To use some technical terms: *There are three thirds of the pitch where coaches have to analyse Ball Possession and Ball Possession Opposition performance based on the previous game, or groups of games that a coach's team plays. * Four man moments - BP, BPO, Attacking and Defensive Transitions. * Communication and structure to organise teams. In Ball Possession formations can evolve depending on the phases of play - eg 4-4-2 Ball Possession Opposition, 4- 2-3-1 in back and middle third of the pitch in Ball Possession, then evolving to 4-3-3 alternating with 4-2-4 in the attacking third of the pitch for Ball Possession, reverting to 4-4-2 in Defensive Transition. The Socceroos did this against Peru, and particularly in the first half peruvian coach Gareco was going ballistic, because he couldn't counter the Aussie game plan. Ostensibly, Gareco is a master coach in South America, but he struggled to combat Arnie's game plan. Meanwhile, Peru used a simple 4-3-3 defensive midfield triangle in Possession and and a 1:4 midfield 4-5-1 in BPO - a simple game plan to negate. I think I'm correct in advancing this, but only the Czech coach of SFC after Kosmina and Butcher, has had any success since about 2010 when Aussie coaches were inculcated with the European powerhouse methodology from Football Aus coach education. Since I think it has only been the parent countries of the national curriculum coach education, that have succeeded in Australia - French, Dutch, Spanish or German - which is a amalgam of how Aussie domestic coaches have been trained. Despite not having improved technique greatly ( which takes a long time), until the recent graduates of about 8 years of Skills Acquisition Program have started coming through in the last few years at under 23 and senior level, tactically our teams are usually very good. Moreover, Australian national Under 16s, Under 17s, Under 20s and Under 23s, play a similar structure and formations as each other. It is easier for players to adapt to national team game plans as players progress through the underage ranks. Australian teams in 2022, are able to play far better as team units, than even in 2006. No matter how man GGs we had playing in European leagues, they were inexperienced playing international football until Pim's WCQ campaign starting in 2008. Playing 2 big sudden death games against Oceanian opposition, 2 big intercontinental two legged sudden death knocked out games, plus 3 games at the Federation Cup, amounted to 7 meaningful competitive games prior to the 2008- 2010 Asian WCQing campaign. _Now we play something like 20 WCQers. - 3 games at the WC -Circa 8 Asian Cup qualifiers -3-7 games at the Asian Cup *7 meaningful games every four years pre 2006 for the Socceroos. Now the Socceroos play 35 - 40 meaningful games every 4 years! The latter scenario is going to create a much more cohesive, battle hardened, match savvy team unit. The video claims that the Socceroos were used to big games at club level with the GG. True. But they weren't at international level. Our worst performance in the Asian Cup tournament was probably 2007, where the GG struggled. Decentric, with respect, can I ask are you a fan of the game of football? Im curious to know if you had a childhood obsession with the sport, a favourite club or clubs? A player you idolised growing up perhaps and pretended to be playing in the backyard or at school with mates? I dont mean with an analytical, calculating accountants perspective which you clearly enjoy that aspect of. Just wanting to understand the motivation behind the methodology. DId you ever play, or actively support a club? I pretty much disagree with the majority of your opinions and that reflects on the way I view the game as opposed to the way you do. I am by no means under the illusion that I am right (not even half the time) and you are wrong, its just that your approach to the sport is so foreign to me. Im not trying to be insulting in any way btw, genuinely curious. Fair comment, MSC. Played underage state rep, NPL youth and NPL senior level. Coached junior suburban, state feeder rep underage teams, adult women, country club Tech Dir and was an NPL club Tech Dir. Not so much this season, but have watched a lot of NPL senior level football. Grew up in England until age 10, supporting Liverpool and Glasgow Rangers. Also, supported my local town team - Glastonbury. I used to watch them live in 1965 and 1966. For most of the A L have supported Melb Vic, and then changed to Melb City a few years back. Plus I've recently wanted to see CCM do well. Hey Decentric, thanks for taking the time to respond. Sounds like you are a poor, lost, "football tragic" soul like most here.... :) I would take Decentric's CV with a pinch of salt if I were you. Charlize Theron for all you know.... :) I'm very happily married however pleased to meet you anyway. :P
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