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+x+xyer I was gonna say following Mids post - wouldn't give the APL one chance of the notion and paying 20times more to participate phhhft. Hey MSC wouldn't get relegated :) and I'd double the cost of using your ground to the APL. No relegation this year brother .... Top of the world and loving it..... lol Oi, was talking about Middys quote APL offering you guys a spot, pay a motza but no relo win win chicken dinner lol...... Mid, seriously how many care what MLS are doing, we don't want Franchise no matter how they re gig P/R besides we're worlds apart not just by ocean.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xDid you see they gave Sth Melbourne a 5 minute blurb at the beginning of the Man U / Victory game? Spoke to ex players etc about the world club challenge. Yeah I did Muz, I didn't know it was going to be on and was pleasantly surprised..... Brought back some great memories of when a semi pro Australian club earned their way to play Manchester Utd in an actual FIFA Club World Cup in Brazil!,,,, At the time we were soooo proud, it was unheard of in those days, it felt less likely than us playing on the moon...... Sad in many ways ..... that Souths are not in the top division.... given their history... I know its outside all thinking at this stage....but I do wonder aloud if a big investor came along say a Twiggy Forrest or similar and offered to buy the club pour in mega heaps and use their influence would first the members sell and would APL let them in.... The horse has bolted on that pipe dream Mid. Of course I cant speak for any other member but consensus amongst my group is that we would vote against anything like this now. In 2018 Ross Pelligra and his company were willing to stump up 25 million for a license and first few years of operating costs, the state trust and Athletics Victoria were both on board with us making improvements to Lakeside. Foxtel staff had reportedly given it the green light and FOXSPORTS suits were seen around the ground A LOT in those last few months, even KPMG or whoever was auditing the bid process at the time (sorry cant remember off hand) were reporting back to our board that the bid was very comprehensive...... Guess the old FFA board didnt think our money, facilities, history, existing fan base and players were enough to erase the stigma of our "effnik sokkah" history. Personally I am glad we were rejected now (it did feel very insulting at the time to be honest though). Rather support a members owned club until they throw me in a hole in the ground and poor dirt all over me...ONE LIFE, ONE LOVE, ONE CLUB ...... Sth Melb HELLAS for LIFE !!!!!!!!! Fair enough SM still have a great history and a couple of pages of players developed who made national sides and as you said played in the FIFA club WC... Its IMO sad, that Australian Professional Football has failed over arguably 60 plus years to connect to community Football... and as I see it that connection to community Football is fundamental to build Professional Football... Without getting into the plastic arguments about the Football in the USA... however back in say 2000 the MLS was in far worst shape than when the A-League started.... what the MLS did was identify some key fundamental things they needed to do.... two of which were to have Football specific stadiums and to play a reason of 34 rounds regardless of how many teams they had... to date out of 29 teams 22 are Football specific, of the remaining 7, 2 are looking to build Football specific stadiums, and 3 play in NFL stadiums were they get often more fans than the NFL teams... only 2 play in NFL grounds and don't have plans to move... but in one of these teams the NFL club is leaving leaving them as the only tenant... The next level down has 27 teams, 6 share stadiums with baseball teams but are now the major tenant, with I think 5 new stadium being built and the second division for want of a better word is close to signing its own broadcast media deal... The USA will have P & R before Australia [yes they will] as they are slowly building the infrastructure and creating community awareness, and revenue streams to support this.In Australia the fundamental professional football needs is to get community football to support professional football ... and they have done over 60 years SFA... only Perth Glory under Nick Tana did it well.... The thousands of clubs in the USA with no avenue to promotion and relegation would love for you to be right Mid. USA may have P & R between normal football and the franchises before Australia does but but if you think the MLS will stop selling $200 million dollar ponzi licenses to allow the Tallahassee Warthogs SC to just play their way into the MLS anytime in the next 50 years then I guess you must know something the thousands upon thousands of poor football fans in the States dont realise... they are more bitter than we are :) Mon P & R takes different forms... the most common is all clubs can potentially get into the top division.... however there are also a number of variations and the US variation will be built around licenced clubs... and before the cries of thats not the way it should work... the history of Football in the US needs to be understood and many look with rose coloured glasses .... This link is the USL [say second div] new an upgraded stadiums being built .... https://soccerstadiumdigest.com/category/usl-pro/ ... There are currently 29 MLS teams, another soon to be added and 27 USL teams and 10 at the next level... with more expected ... it may not sound much but in 2000 there were I think about 3 Football specific stadiums.... today over 50 with more to come and its the Football specific stadiums and season length that are foundations to growing the game in the US... the USL or second division is getting bigger with bigger crowds each year ... and as I said its close to its owe be it small media deal.... its simply the way it will work in the US... not to everyone's taste of how it should be done... however for a sport to work in the US it needs its own grounds.... as a side not today the MLS has average crowds per match greater then Hockey, Baseball and Basketball... and could pass 10 million this season... The key for professional football in Australia lies in its perception by many who play and the general public... key is turning around that perception and IMO that can only happen at the community football level... Sorry to all the SMers I have gone way off topic... but enjoy chats with Mons so please forgive...
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+x+x+xyer I was gonna say following Mids post - wouldn't give the APL one chance of the notion and paying 20times more to participate phhhft. Hey MSC wouldn't get relegated :) and I'd double the cost of using your ground to the APL. No relegation this year brother .... Top of the world and loving it..... lol Oi, was talking about Middys quote APL offering you guys a spot, pay a motza but no relo win win chicken dinner lol...... Mid, seriously how many care what MLS are doing, we don't want Franchise no matter how they re gig P/R besides we're worlds apart not just by ocean. I know bud... just stirring you back :) Id rather the gut wrenching feel of a relegation scrap than being "gifted" a permanent spot at the table any day of the week... It means more as you know.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDid you see they gave Sth Melbourne a 5 minute blurb at the beginning of the Man U / Victory game? Spoke to ex players etc about the world club challenge. Yeah I did Muz, I didn't know it was going to be on and was pleasantly surprised..... Brought back some great memories of when a semi pro Australian club earned their way to play Manchester Utd in an actual FIFA Club World Cup in Brazil!,,,, At the time we were soooo proud, it was unheard of in those days, it felt less likely than us playing on the moon...... Sad in many ways ..... that Souths are not in the top division.... given their history... I know its outside all thinking at this stage....but I do wonder aloud if a big investor came along say a Twiggy Forrest or similar and offered to buy the club pour in mega heaps and use their influence would first the members sell and would APL let them in.... The horse has bolted on that pipe dream Mid. Of course I cant speak for any other member but consensus amongst my group is that we would vote against anything like this now. In 2018 Ross Pelligra and his company were willing to stump up 25 million for a license and first few years of operating costs, the state trust and Athletics Victoria were both on board with us making improvements to Lakeside. Foxtel staff had reportedly given it the green light and FOXSPORTS suits were seen around the ground A LOT in those last few months, even KPMG or whoever was auditing the bid process at the time (sorry cant remember off hand) were reporting back to our board that the bid was very comprehensive...... Guess the old FFA board didnt think our money, facilities, history, existing fan base and players were enough to erase the stigma of our "effnik sokkah" history. Personally I am glad we were rejected now (it did feel very insulting at the time to be honest though). Rather support a members owned club until they throw me in a hole in the ground and poor dirt all over me...ONE LIFE, ONE LOVE, ONE CLUB ...... Sth Melb HELLAS for LIFE !!!!!!!!! Fair enough SM still have a great history and a couple of pages of players developed who made national sides and as you said played in the FIFA club WC... Its IMO sad, that Australian Professional Football has failed over arguably 60 plus years to connect to community Football... and as I see it that connection to community Football is fundamental to build Professional Football... Without getting into the plastic arguments about the Football in the USA... however back in say 2000 the MLS was in far worst shape than when the A-League started.... what the MLS did was identify some key fundamental things they needed to do.... two of which were to have Football specific stadiums and to play a reason of 34 rounds regardless of how many teams they had... to date out of 29 teams 22 are Football specific, of the remaining 7, 2 are looking to build Football specific stadiums, and 3 play in NFL stadiums were they get often more fans than the NFL teams... only 2 play in NFL grounds and don't have plans to move... but in one of these teams the NFL club is leaving leaving them as the only tenant... The next level down has 27 teams, 6 share stadiums with baseball teams but are now the major tenant, with I think 5 new stadium being built and the second division for want of a better word is close to signing its own broadcast media deal... The USA will have P & R before Australia [yes they will] as they are slowly building the infrastructure and creating community awareness, and revenue streams to support this.In Australia the fundamental professional football needs is to get community football to support professional football ... and they have done over 60 years SFA... only Perth Glory under Nick Tana did it well.... The thousands of clubs in the USA with no avenue to promotion and relegation would love for you to be right Mid. USA may have P & R between normal football and the franchises before Australia does but but if you think the MLS will stop selling $200 million dollar ponzi licenses to allow the Tallahassee Warthogs SC to just play their way into the MLS anytime in the next 50 years then I guess you must know something the thousands upon thousands of poor football fans in the States dont realise... they are more bitter than we are :) Mon P & R takes different forms... the most common is all clubs can potentially get into the top division.... however there are also a number of variations and the US variation will be built around licenced clubs... and before the cries of thats not the way it should work... the history of Football in the US needs to be understood and many look with rose coloured glasses .... This link is the USL [say second div] new an upgraded stadiums being built .... https://soccerstadiumdigest.com/category/usl-pro/ ... There are currently 29 MLS teams, another soon to be added and 27 USL teams and 10 at the next level... with more expected ... it may not sound much but in 2000 there were I think about 3 Football specific stadiums.... today over 50 with more to come and its the Football specific stadiums and season length that are foundations to growing the game in the US... the USL or second division is getting bigger with bigger crowds each year ... and as I said its close to its owe be it small media deal.... its simply the way it will work in the US... not to everyone's taste of how it should be done... however for a sport to work in the US it needs its own grounds.... as a side not today the MLS has average crowds per match greater then Hockey, Baseball and Basketball... and could pass 10 million this season... The key for professional football in Australia lies in its perception by many who play and the general public... key is turning around that perception and IMO that can only happen at the community football level...Sorry to all the SMers I have gone way off topic... but enjoy chats with Mons so please forgive... Mid, no off topics here in the South Melbourne thread... its a safe space:) Your last sentence is where we cannot agree it seems. I understand the MLS's plans through their joint franchise ownership model to create a "block" of pro licenses that can then be, one day, promoted up and down their divisions (if they ever get that far as the cost of a license gets bigger and bigger to feed the last stakeholder, they will eventually run out of new investors into their pseudo pyramid) You CANNOT expect community football clubs to endorse the very "system" that excludes them from participating simply for being community clubs.... You cant, for example, expect LGBQT people in the US who want to get married one day to get on board a new set of laws denying them the freedom to do exactly that... Or expect people with legitimate reasons to seek late stage abortion to have a good "perception" of changes to laws designed to prevent them from making their own choices... Its all about the haves and have nots in the US and, for the last 60 odd years, here as well it seems..... The community football level you want to engage with the "professional football" is more than just a resource for players and a marketing opportunity for a bunch of foreign owners... These are passionate little ecosystems in and off themselves that now, after sooooo long, demand the right to participate, each to their own ability.... Havent you noticed the drive lately of some Aleague entities towards what they missed from the past... Newcastle wearing old KB United cup strips, Perth Glory fans constantly bringing up the NSL days, Brisbane Roar including Hollandia - Inala logo on their strips......... Its ALL about the CLUB ... thats the unit, thats the metric, thats what Silverlake and CBS and the MLS ponzi clowns dont get..... Weve had 18 years of "just plonk a name and a colour scheme in Gold Coast and all the locals will just have to support it for lack of anything else" and the "community" is growing weary.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDid you see they gave Sth Melbourne a 5 minute blurb at the beginning of the Man U / Victory game? Spoke to ex players etc about the world club challenge. Yeah I did Muz, I didn't know it was going to be on and was pleasantly surprised..... Brought back some great memories of when a semi pro Australian club earned their way to play Manchester Utd in an actual FIFA Club World Cup in Brazil!,,,, At the time we were soooo proud, it was unheard of in those days, it felt less likely than us playing on the moon...... Sad in many ways ..... that Souths are not in the top division.... given their history... I know its outside all thinking at this stage....but I do wonder aloud if a big investor came along say a Twiggy Forrest or similar and offered to buy the club pour in mega heaps and use their influence would first the members sell and would APL let them in.... The horse has bolted on that pipe dream Mid. Of course I cant speak for any other member but consensus amongst my group is that we would vote against anything like this now. In 2018 Ross Pelligra and his company were willing to stump up 25 million for a license and first few years of operating costs, the state trust and Athletics Victoria were both on board with us making improvements to Lakeside. Foxtel staff had reportedly given it the green light and FOXSPORTS suits were seen around the ground A LOT in those last few months, even KPMG or whoever was auditing the bid process at the time (sorry cant remember off hand) were reporting back to our board that the bid was very comprehensive...... Guess the old FFA board didnt think our money, facilities, history, existing fan base and players were enough to erase the stigma of our "effnik sokkah" history. Personally I am glad we were rejected now (it did feel very insulting at the time to be honest though). Rather support a members owned club until they throw me in a hole in the ground and poor dirt all over me...ONE LIFE, ONE LOVE, ONE CLUB ...... Sth Melb HELLAS for LIFE !!!!!!!!! Fair enough SM still have a great history and a couple of pages of players developed who made national sides and as you said played in the FIFA club WC... Its IMO sad, that Australian Professional Football has failed over arguably 60 plus years to connect to community Football... and as I see it that connection to community Football is fundamental to build Professional Football... Without getting into the plastic arguments about the Football in the USA... however back in say 2000 the MLS was in far worst shape than when the A-League started.... what the MLS did was identify some key fundamental things they needed to do.... two of which were to have Football specific stadiums and to play a reason of 34 rounds regardless of how many teams they had... to date out of 29 teams 22 are Football specific, of the remaining 7, 2 are looking to build Football specific stadiums, and 3 play in NFL stadiums were they get often more fans than the NFL teams... only 2 play in NFL grounds and don't have plans to move... but in one of these teams the NFL club is leaving leaving them as the only tenant... The next level down has 27 teams, 6 share stadiums with baseball teams but are now the major tenant, with I think 5 new stadium being built and the second division for want of a better word is close to signing its own broadcast media deal... The USA will have P & R before Australia [yes they will] as they are slowly building the infrastructure and creating community awareness, and revenue streams to support this.In Australia the fundamental professional football needs is to get community football to support professional football ... and they have done over 60 years SFA... only Perth Glory under Nick Tana did it well.... The thousands of clubs in the USA with no avenue to promotion and relegation would love for you to be right Mid. USA may have P & R between normal football and the franchises before Australia does but but if you think the MLS will stop selling $200 million dollar ponzi licenses to allow the Tallahassee Warthogs SC to just play their way into the MLS anytime in the next 50 years then I guess you must know something the thousands upon thousands of poor football fans in the States dont realise... they are more bitter than we are :) Mon P & R takes different forms... the most common is all clubs can potentially get into the top division.... however there are also a number of variations and the US variation will be built around licenced clubs... and before the cries of thats not the way it should work... the history of Football in the US needs to be understood and many look with rose coloured glasses .... This link is the USL [say second div] new an upgraded stadiums being built .... https://soccerstadiumdigest.com/category/usl-pro/ ... There are currently 29 MLS teams, another soon to be added and 27 USL teams and 10 at the next level... with more expected ... it may not sound much but in 2000 there were I think about 3 Football specific stadiums.... today over 50 with more to come and its the Football specific stadiums and season length that are foundations to growing the game in the US... the USL or second division is getting bigger with bigger crowds each year ... and as I said its close to its owe be it small media deal.... its simply the way it will work in the US... not to everyone's taste of how it should be done... however for a sport to work in the US it needs its own grounds.... as a side not today the MLS has average crowds per match greater then Hockey, Baseball and Basketball... and could pass 10 million this season... The key for professional football in Australia lies in its perception by many who play and the general public... key is turning around that perception and IMO that can only happen at the community football level...Sorry to all the SMers I have gone way off topic... but enjoy chats with Mons so please forgive... Mid, no off topics here in the South Melbourne thread... its a safe space:) Your last sentence is where we cannot agree it seems. I understand the MLS's plans through their joint franchise ownership model to create a "block" of pro licenses that can then be, one day, promoted up and down their divisions (if they ever get that far as the cost of a license gets bigger and bigger to feed the last stakeholder, they will eventually run out of new investors into their pseudo pyramid) You CANNOT expect community football clubs to endorse the very "system" that excludes them from participating simply for being community clubs.... You cant, for example, expect LGBQT people in the US who want to get married one day to get on board a new set of laws denying them the freedom to do exactly that... Or expect people with legitimate reasons to seek late stage abortion to have a good "perception" of changes to laws designed to prevent them from making their own choices... Its all about the haves and have nots in the US and, for the last 60 odd years, here as well it seems..... The community football level you want to engage with the "professional football" is more than just a resource for players and a marketing opportunity for a bunch of foreign owners... These are passionate little ecosystems in and off themselves that now, after sooooo long, demand the right to participate, each to their own ability.... Havent you noticed the drive lately of some Aleague entities towards what they missed from the past... Newcastle wearing old KB United cup strips, Perth Glory fans constantly bringing up the NSL days, Brisbane Roar including Hollandia - Inala logo on their strips......... Its ALL about the CLUB ... thats the unit, thats the metric, thats what Silverlake and CBS and the MLS ponzi clowns dont get..... Weve had 18 years of "just plonk a name and a colour scheme in Gold Coast and all the locals will just have to support it for lack of anything else" and the "community" is growing weary. mon I don't necessarily agree with the model... I said thats the way it will happen in the US... and Australia will follow suit... but in a long time.... The key difference between Australia n the US is they started off in different positions... Australia was miles in front in all aspects of Football.... Football in Australia by way of example in Australia always had the most player numbers and many of those players came from say working class.... in the US both Baseball and Basketball had the player numbers and these two sports especially Basketball had most of the working class... the US media was and still is very hostile towards Football... and their broadcast deals have shown a fraction of the games Australian Football enjoyed with Fox... Another issue is many of the Spanish speaking folk followed their teams from their homeland... in fact the Mexican league is the most followed in the US with the EPL number two and MLS number three.... all games are played around similar times so who do you watch .... Australian Football never had these issues... we did and still do have a hostile press but compared to the US its a kind press.... we had the player numbers but somehow Australian Professional Football grew away from its player base... heaps of theories as to why... not worth going into now.... Consider this, and I am going from memory [it will be close but not exact] AFL, NRL N Union have about 86% of their player base watch local broadcast of their codes... Football has about 29% of which roughly 15% watch local Football... if Football and more specifically Australian Professional Football could get even 50% of the player base and their contacts to watch Australian Professional Football then Football would win the ratings hands down.... Let me be clear when I say Australian Professional Football I include the lower levels so the SM's, Marconi, Blacktown etc ... When or if we turn around the perception by those that play to watch... it will provide the foundation to grow... how it grows hhhhmmmm difficult to think that it won't be 32 licenced teams ... but in time if can grow the community Football support to say 86% like other codes then a model more in line with what you want is possible...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDid you see they gave Sth Melbourne a 5 minute blurb at the beginning of the Man U / Victory game? Spoke to ex players etc about the world club challenge. Yeah I did Muz, I didn't know it was going to be on and was pleasantly surprised..... Brought back some great memories of when a semi pro Australian club earned their way to play Manchester Utd in an actual FIFA Club World Cup in Brazil!,,,, At the time we were soooo proud, it was unheard of in those days, it felt less likely than us playing on the moon...... Sad in many ways ..... that Souths are not in the top division.... given their history... I know its outside all thinking at this stage....but I do wonder aloud if a big investor came along say a Twiggy Forrest or similar and offered to buy the club pour in mega heaps and use their influence would first the members sell and would APL let them in.... The horse has bolted on that pipe dream Mid. Of course I cant speak for any other member but consensus amongst my group is that we would vote against anything like this now. In 2018 Ross Pelligra and his company were willing to stump up 25 million for a license and first few years of operating costs, the state trust and Athletics Victoria were both on board with us making improvements to Lakeside. Foxtel staff had reportedly given it the green light and FOXSPORTS suits were seen around the ground A LOT in those last few months, even KPMG or whoever was auditing the bid process at the time (sorry cant remember off hand) were reporting back to our board that the bid was very comprehensive...... Guess the old FFA board didnt think our money, facilities, history, existing fan base and players were enough to erase the stigma of our "effnik sokkah" history. Personally I am glad we were rejected now (it did feel very insulting at the time to be honest though). Rather support a members owned club until they throw me in a hole in the ground and poor dirt all over me...ONE LIFE, ONE LOVE, ONE CLUB ...... Sth Melb HELLAS for LIFE !!!!!!!!! Fair enough SM still have a great history and a couple of pages of players developed who made national sides and as you said played in the FIFA club WC... Its IMO sad, that Australian Professional Football has failed over arguably 60 plus years to connect to community Football... and as I see it that connection to community Football is fundamental to build Professional Football... Without getting into the plastic arguments about the Football in the USA... however back in say 2000 the MLS was in far worst shape than when the A-League started.... what the MLS did was identify some key fundamental things they needed to do.... two of which were to have Football specific stadiums and to play a reason of 34 rounds regardless of how many teams they had... to date out of 29 teams 22 are Football specific, of the remaining 7, 2 are looking to build Football specific stadiums, and 3 play in NFL stadiums were they get often more fans than the NFL teams... only 2 play in NFL grounds and don't have plans to move... but in one of these teams the NFL club is leaving leaving them as the only tenant... The next level down has 27 teams, 6 share stadiums with baseball teams but are now the major tenant, with I think 5 new stadium being built and the second division for want of a better word is close to signing its own broadcast media deal... The USA will have P & R before Australia [yes they will] as they are slowly building the infrastructure and creating community awareness, and revenue streams to support this.In Australia the fundamental professional football needs is to get community football to support professional football ... and they have done over 60 years SFA... only Perth Glory under Nick Tana did it well.... The thousands of clubs in the USA with no avenue to promotion and relegation would love for you to be right Mid. USA may have P & R between normal football and the franchises before Australia does but but if you think the MLS will stop selling $200 million dollar ponzi licenses to allow the Tallahassee Warthogs SC to just play their way into the MLS anytime in the next 50 years then I guess you must know something the thousands upon thousands of poor football fans in the States dont realise... they are more bitter than we are :) Mon P & R takes different forms... the most common is all clubs can potentially get into the top division.... however there are also a number of variations and the US variation will be built around licenced clubs... and before the cries of thats not the way it should work... the history of Football in the US needs to be understood and many look with rose coloured glasses .... This link is the USL [say second div] new an upgraded stadiums being built .... https://soccerstadiumdigest.com/category/usl-pro/ ... There are currently 29 MLS teams, another soon to be added and 27 USL teams and 10 at the next level... with more expected ... it may not sound much but in 2000 there were I think about 3 Football specific stadiums.... today over 50 with more to come and its the Football specific stadiums and season length that are foundations to growing the game in the US... the USL or second division is getting bigger with bigger crowds each year ... and as I said its close to its owe be it small media deal.... its simply the way it will work in the US... not to everyone's taste of how it should be done... however for a sport to work in the US it needs its own grounds.... as a side not today the MLS has average crowds per match greater then Hockey, Baseball and Basketball... and could pass 10 million this season... The key for professional football in Australia lies in its perception by many who play and the general public... key is turning around that perception and IMO that can only happen at the community football level...Sorry to all the SMers I have gone way off topic... but enjoy chats with Mons so please forgive... Mid, no off topics here in the South Melbourne thread... its a safe space:) Your last sentence is where we cannot agree it seems. I understand the MLS's plans through their joint franchise ownership model to create a "block" of pro licenses that can then be, one day, promoted up and down their divisions (if they ever get that far as the cost of a license gets bigger and bigger to feed the last stakeholder, they will eventually run out of new investors into their pseudo pyramid) You CANNOT expect community football clubs to endorse the very "system" that excludes them from participating simply for being community clubs.... You cant, for example, expect LGBQT people in the US who want to get married one day to get on board a new set of laws denying them the freedom to do exactly that... Or expect people with legitimate reasons to seek late stage abortion to have a good "perception" of changes to laws designed to prevent them from making their own choices... Its all about the haves and have nots in the US and, for the last 60 odd years, here as well it seems..... The community football level you want to engage with the "professional football" is more than just a resource for players and a marketing opportunity for a bunch of foreign owners... These are passionate little ecosystems in and off themselves that now, after sooooo long, demand the right to participate, each to their own ability.... Havent you noticed the drive lately of some Aleague entities towards what they missed from the past... Newcastle wearing old KB United cup strips, Perth Glory fans constantly bringing up the NSL days, Brisbane Roar including Hollandia - Inala logo on their strips......... Its ALL about the CLUB ... thats the unit, thats the metric, thats what Silverlake and CBS and the MLS ponzi clowns dont get..... Weve had 18 years of "just plonk a name and a colour scheme in Gold Coast and all the locals will just have to support it for lack of anything else" and the "community" is growing weary. mon I don't necessarily agree with the model... I said thats the way it will happen in the US... and Australia will follow suit... but in a long time.... The key difference between Australia n the US is they started off in different positions... Australia was miles in front in all aspects of Football.... Football in Australia by way of example in Australia always had the most player numbers and many of those players came from say working class.... in the US both Baseball and Basketball had the player numbers and these two sports especially Basketball had most of the working class... the US media was and still is very hostile towards Football... and their broadcast deals have shown a fraction of the games Australian Football enjoyed with Fox... Another issue is many of the Spanish speaking folk followed their teams from their homeland... in fact the Mexican league is the most followed in the US with the EPL number two and MLS number three.... all games are played around similar times so who do you watch .... Australian Football never had these issues... we did and still do have a hostile press but compared to the US its a kind press.... we had the player numbers but somehow Australian Professional Football grew away from its player base... heaps of theories as to why... not worth going into now.... Consider this, and I am going from memory [it will be close but not exact] AFL, NRL N Union have about 86% of their player base watch local broadcast of their codes... Football has about 29% of which roughly 15% watch local Football... if Football and more specifically Australian Professional Football could get even 50% of the player base and their contacts to watch Australian Professional Football then Football would win the ratings hands down.... Let me be clear when I say Australian Professional Football I include the lower levels so the SM's, Marconi, Blacktown etc ... When or if we turn around the perception by those that play to watch... it will provide the foundation to grow... how it grows hhhhmmmm difficult to think that it won't be 32 licenced teams ... but in time if can grow the community Football support to say 86% like other codes then a model more in line with what you want is possible... Mid, of course AFL and to some extent NRL have such a huge television audience for their codes..... its not played anywhere else.... what else can they watch???? I guess we are coming at the issue from two different sides... popularity, money, mainstream cut through are all well and good but a professional pathway for the thousands upon thousands of young lads and lasses who dont have that at the moment is the URGENT need our Socceroos and Matildas have... the rest will follow. Our player base doesnt have to watch professional Australian football... it just was to watch and like FOOTBALL which they, in the main, already do.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDid you see they gave Sth Melbourne a 5 minute blurb at the beginning of the Man U / Victory game? Spoke to ex players etc about the world club challenge. Yeah I did Muz, I didn't know it was going to be on and was pleasantly surprised..... Brought back some great memories of when a semi pro Australian club earned their way to play Manchester Utd in an actual FIFA Club World Cup in Brazil!,,,, At the time we were soooo proud, it was unheard of in those days, it felt less likely than us playing on the moon...... Sad in many ways ..... that Souths are not in the top division.... given their history... I know its outside all thinking at this stage....but I do wonder aloud if a big investor came along say a Twiggy Forrest or similar and offered to buy the club pour in mega heaps and use their influence would first the members sell and would APL let them in.... The horse has bolted on that pipe dream Mid. Of course I cant speak for any other member but consensus amongst my group is that we would vote against anything like this now. In 2018 Ross Pelligra and his company were willing to stump up 25 million for a license and first few years of operating costs, the state trust and Athletics Victoria were both on board with us making improvements to Lakeside. Foxtel staff had reportedly given it the green light and FOXSPORTS suits were seen around the ground A LOT in those last few months, even KPMG or whoever was auditing the bid process at the time (sorry cant remember off hand) were reporting back to our board that the bid was very comprehensive...... Guess the old FFA board didnt think our money, facilities, history, existing fan base and players were enough to erase the stigma of our "effnik sokkah" history. Personally I am glad we were rejected now (it did feel very insulting at the time to be honest though). Rather support a members owned club until they throw me in a hole in the ground and poor dirt all over me...ONE LIFE, ONE LOVE, ONE CLUB ...... Sth Melb HELLAS for LIFE !!!!!!!!! Fair enough SM still have a great history and a couple of pages of players developed who made national sides and as you said played in the FIFA club WC... Its IMO sad, that Australian Professional Football has failed over arguably 60 plus years to connect to community Football... and as I see it that connection to community Football is fundamental to build Professional Football... Without getting into the plastic arguments about the Football in the USA... however back in say 2000 the MLS was in far worst shape than when the A-League started.... what the MLS did was identify some key fundamental things they needed to do.... two of which were to have Football specific stadiums and to play a reason of 34 rounds regardless of how many teams they had... to date out of 29 teams 22 are Football specific, of the remaining 7, 2 are looking to build Football specific stadiums, and 3 play in NFL stadiums were they get often more fans than the NFL teams... only 2 play in NFL grounds and don't have plans to move... but in one of these teams the NFL club is leaving leaving them as the only tenant... The next level down has 27 teams, 6 share stadiums with baseball teams but are now the major tenant, with I think 5 new stadium being built and the second division for want of a better word is close to signing its own broadcast media deal... The USA will have P & R before Australia [yes they will] as they are slowly building the infrastructure and creating community awareness, and revenue streams to support this.In Australia the fundamental professional football needs is to get community football to support professional football ... and they have done over 60 years SFA... only Perth Glory under Nick Tana did it well.... The thousands of clubs in the USA with no avenue to promotion and relegation would love for you to be right Mid. USA may have P & R between normal football and the franchises before Australia does but but if you think the MLS will stop selling $200 million dollar ponzi licenses to allow the Tallahassee Warthogs SC to just play their way into the MLS anytime in the next 50 years then I guess you must know something the thousands upon thousands of poor football fans in the States dont realise... they are more bitter than we are :) Mon P & R takes different forms... the most common is all clubs can potentially get into the top division.... however there are also a number of variations and the US variation will be built around licenced clubs... and before the cries of thats not the way it should work... the history of Football in the US needs to be understood and many look with rose coloured glasses .... This link is the USL [say second div] new an upgraded stadiums being built .... https://soccerstadiumdigest.com/category/usl-pro/ ... There are currently 29 MLS teams, another soon to be added and 27 USL teams and 10 at the next level... with more expected ... it may not sound much but in 2000 there were I think about 3 Football specific stadiums.... today over 50 with more to come and its the Football specific stadiums and season length that are foundations to growing the game in the US... the USL or second division is getting bigger with bigger crowds each year ... and as I said its close to its owe be it small media deal.... its simply the way it will work in the US... not to everyone's taste of how it should be done... however for a sport to work in the US it needs its own grounds.... as a side not today the MLS has average crowds per match greater then Hockey, Baseball and Basketball... and could pass 10 million this season... The key for professional football in Australia lies in its perception by many who play and the general public... key is turning around that perception and IMO that can only happen at the community football level...Sorry to all the SMers I have gone way off topic... but enjoy chats with Mons so please forgive... Mid, no off topics here in the South Melbourne thread... its a safe space:) Your last sentence is where we cannot agree it seems. I understand the MLS's plans through their joint franchise ownership model to create a "block" of pro licenses that can then be, one day, promoted up and down their divisions (if they ever get that far as the cost of a license gets bigger and bigger to feed the last stakeholder, they will eventually run out of new investors into their pseudo pyramid) You CANNOT expect community football clubs to endorse the very "system" that excludes them from participating simply for being community clubs.... You cant, for example, expect LGBQT people in the US who want to get married one day to get on board a new set of laws denying them the freedom to do exactly that... Or expect people with legitimate reasons to seek late stage abortion to have a good "perception" of changes to laws designed to prevent them from making their own choices... Its all about the haves and have nots in the US and, for the last 60 odd years, here as well it seems..... The community football level you want to engage with the "professional football" is more than just a resource for players and a marketing opportunity for a bunch of foreign owners... These are passionate little ecosystems in and off themselves that now, after sooooo long, demand the right to participate, each to their own ability.... Havent you noticed the drive lately of some Aleague entities towards what they missed from the past... Newcastle wearing old KB United cup strips, Perth Glory fans constantly bringing up the NSL days, Brisbane Roar including Hollandia - Inala logo on their strips......... Its ALL about the CLUB ... thats the unit, thats the metric, thats what Silverlake and CBS and the MLS ponzi clowns dont get..... Weve had 18 years of "just plonk a name and a colour scheme in Gold Coast and all the locals will just have to support it for lack of anything else" and the "community" is growing weary. mon I don't necessarily agree with the model... I said thats the way it will happen in the US... and Australia will follow suit... but in a long time.... The key difference between Australia n the US is they started off in different positions... Australia was miles in front in all aspects of Football.... Football in Australia by way of example in Australia always had the most player numbers and many of those players came from say working class.... in the US both Baseball and Basketball had the player numbers and these two sports especially Basketball had most of the working class... the US media was and still is very hostile towards Football... and their broadcast deals have shown a fraction of the games Australian Football enjoyed with Fox... Another issue is many of the Spanish speaking folk followed their teams from their homeland... in fact the Mexican league is the most followed in the US with the EPL number two and MLS number three.... all games are played around similar times so who do you watch .... Australian Football never had these issues... we did and still do have a hostile press but compared to the US its a kind press.... we had the player numbers but somehow Australian Professional Football grew away from its player base... heaps of theories as to why... not worth going into now.... Consider this, and I am going from memory [it will be close but not exact] AFL, NRL N Union have about 86% of their player base watch local broadcast of their codes... Football has about 29% of which roughly 15% watch local Football... if Football and more specifically Australian Professional Football could get even 50% of the player base and their contacts to watch Australian Professional Football then Football would win the ratings hands down.... Let me be clear when I say Australian Professional Football I include the lower levels so the SM's, Marconi, Blacktown etc ... When or if we turn around the perception by those that play to watch... it will provide the foundation to grow... how it grows hhhhmmmm difficult to think that it won't be 32 licenced teams ... but in time if can grow the community Football support to say 86% like other codes then a model more in line with what you want is possible... Mid, of course AFL and to some extent NRL have such a huge television audience for their codes..... its not played anywhere else.... what else can they watch???? I guess we are coming at the issue from two different sides... popularity, money, mainstream cut through are all well and good but a professional pathway for the thousands upon thousands of young lads and lasses who dont have that at the moment is the URGENT need our Socceroos and Matildas have... the rest will follow. Our player base doesnt have to watch professional Australian football... it just was to watch and like FOOTBALL which they, in the main, already do. Mon You miss my point.... the other codes have a conversation rate of player to watcher of 86%. Football in Australia has a conversation rate of just under 30% of which only about 15% watch the A-L... The reasons are many but in large part is because of the various perceptions that people have of Australian Professional Football..... For Australia Professional Football to grow it needs to grow the conversation rate of player to watcher.... how I don't know.... but that this is the key to future growth IMO without question.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDid you see they gave Sth Melbourne a 5 minute blurb at the beginning of the Man U / Victory game? Spoke to ex players etc about the world club challenge. Yeah I did Muz, I didn't know it was going to be on and was pleasantly surprised..... Brought back some great memories of when a semi pro Australian club earned their way to play Manchester Utd in an actual FIFA Club World Cup in Brazil!,,,, At the time we were soooo proud, it was unheard of in those days, it felt less likely than us playing on the moon...... Sad in many ways ..... that Souths are not in the top division.... given their history... I know its outside all thinking at this stage....but I do wonder aloud if a big investor came along say a Twiggy Forrest or similar and offered to buy the club pour in mega heaps and use their influence would first the members sell and would APL let them in.... The horse has bolted on that pipe dream Mid. Of course I cant speak for any other member but consensus amongst my group is that we would vote against anything like this now. In 2018 Ross Pelligra and his company were willing to stump up 25 million for a license and first few years of operating costs, the state trust and Athletics Victoria were both on board with us making improvements to Lakeside. Foxtel staff had reportedly given it the green light and FOXSPORTS suits were seen around the ground A LOT in those last few months, even KPMG or whoever was auditing the bid process at the time (sorry cant remember off hand) were reporting back to our board that the bid was very comprehensive...... Guess the old FFA board didnt think our money, facilities, history, existing fan base and players were enough to erase the stigma of our "effnik sokkah" history. Personally I am glad we were rejected now (it did feel very insulting at the time to be honest though). Rather support a members owned club until they throw me in a hole in the ground and poor dirt all over me...ONE LIFE, ONE LOVE, ONE CLUB ...... Sth Melb HELLAS for LIFE !!!!!!!!! Fair enough SM still have a great history and a couple of pages of players developed who made national sides and as you said played in the FIFA club WC... Its IMO sad, that Australian Professional Football has failed over arguably 60 plus years to connect to community Football... and as I see it that connection to community Football is fundamental to build Professional Football... Without getting into the plastic arguments about the Football in the USA... however back in say 2000 the MLS was in far worst shape than when the A-League started.... what the MLS did was identify some key fundamental things they needed to do.... two of which were to have Football specific stadiums and to play a reason of 34 rounds regardless of how many teams they had... to date out of 29 teams 22 are Football specific, of the remaining 7, 2 are looking to build Football specific stadiums, and 3 play in NFL stadiums were they get often more fans than the NFL teams... only 2 play in NFL grounds and don't have plans to move... but in one of these teams the NFL club is leaving leaving them as the only tenant... The next level down has 27 teams, 6 share stadiums with baseball teams but are now the major tenant, with I think 5 new stadium being built and the second division for want of a better word is close to signing its own broadcast media deal... The USA will have P & R before Australia [yes they will] as they are slowly building the infrastructure and creating community awareness, and revenue streams to support this.In Australia the fundamental professional football needs is to get community football to support professional football ... and they have done over 60 years SFA... only Perth Glory under Nick Tana did it well.... The thousands of clubs in the USA with no avenue to promotion and relegation would love for you to be right Mid. USA may have P & R between normal football and the franchises before Australia does but but if you think the MLS will stop selling $200 million dollar ponzi licenses to allow the Tallahassee Warthogs SC to just play their way into the MLS anytime in the next 50 years then I guess you must know something the thousands upon thousands of poor football fans in the States dont realise... they are more bitter than we are :) Mon P & R takes different forms... the most common is all clubs can potentially get into the top division.... however there are also a number of variations and the US variation will be built around licenced clubs... and before the cries of thats not the way it should work... the history of Football in the US needs to be understood and many look with rose coloured glasses .... This link is the USL [say second div] new an upgraded stadiums being built .... https://soccerstadiumdigest.com/category/usl-pro/ ... There are currently 29 MLS teams, another soon to be added and 27 USL teams and 10 at the next level... with more expected ... it may not sound much but in 2000 there were I think about 3 Football specific stadiums.... today over 50 with more to come and its the Football specific stadiums and season length that are foundations to growing the game in the US... the USL or second division is getting bigger with bigger crowds each year ... and as I said its close to its owe be it small media deal.... its simply the way it will work in the US... not to everyone's taste of how it should be done... however for a sport to work in the US it needs its own grounds.... as a side not today the MLS has average crowds per match greater then Hockey, Baseball and Basketball... and could pass 10 million this season... The key for professional football in Australia lies in its perception by many who play and the general public... key is turning around that perception and IMO that can only happen at the community football level...Sorry to all the SMers I have gone way off topic... but enjoy chats with Mons so please forgive... Mid, no off topics here in the South Melbourne thread... its a safe space:) Your last sentence is where we cannot agree it seems. I understand the MLS's plans through their joint franchise ownership model to create a "block" of pro licenses that can then be, one day, promoted up and down their divisions (if they ever get that far as the cost of a license gets bigger and bigger to feed the last stakeholder, they will eventually run out of new investors into their pseudo pyramid) You CANNOT expect community football clubs to endorse the very "system" that excludes them from participating simply for being community clubs.... You cant, for example, expect LGBQT people in the US who want to get married one day to get on board a new set of laws denying them the freedom to do exactly that... Or expect people with legitimate reasons to seek late stage abortion to have a good "perception" of changes to laws designed to prevent them from making their own choices... Its all about the haves and have nots in the US and, for the last 60 odd years, here as well it seems..... The community football level you want to engage with the "professional football" is more than just a resource for players and a marketing opportunity for a bunch of foreign owners... These are passionate little ecosystems in and off themselves that now, after sooooo long, demand the right to participate, each to their own ability.... Havent you noticed the drive lately of some Aleague entities towards what they missed from the past... Newcastle wearing old KB United cup strips, Perth Glory fans constantly bringing up the NSL days, Brisbane Roar including Hollandia - Inala logo on their strips......... Its ALL about the CLUB ... thats the unit, thats the metric, thats what Silverlake and CBS and the MLS ponzi clowns dont get..... Weve had 18 years of "just plonk a name and a colour scheme in Gold Coast and all the locals will just have to support it for lack of anything else" and the "community" is growing weary. mon I don't necessarily agree with the model... I said thats the way it will happen in the US... and Australia will follow suit... but in a long time.... The key difference between Australia n the US is they started off in different positions... Australia was miles in front in all aspects of Football.... Football in Australia by way of example in Australia always had the most player numbers and many of those players came from say working class.... in the US both Baseball and Basketball had the player numbers and these two sports especially Basketball had most of the working class... the US media was and still is very hostile towards Football... and their broadcast deals have shown a fraction of the games Australian Football enjoyed with Fox... Another issue is many of the Spanish speaking folk followed their teams from their homeland... in fact the Mexican league is the most followed in the US with the EPL number two and MLS number three.... all games are played around similar times so who do you watch .... Australian Football never had these issues... we did and still do have a hostile press but compared to the US its a kind press.... we had the player numbers but somehow Australian Professional Football grew away from its player base... heaps of theories as to why... not worth going into now.... Consider this, and I am going from memory [it will be close but not exact] AFL, NRL N Union have about 86% of their player base watch local broadcast of their codes... Football has about 29% of which roughly 15% watch local Football... if Football and more specifically Australian Professional Football could get even 50% of the player base and their contacts to watch Australian Professional Football then Football would win the ratings hands down.... Let me be clear when I say Australian Professional Football I include the lower levels so the SM's, Marconi, Blacktown etc ... When or if we turn around the perception by those that play to watch... it will provide the foundation to grow... how it grows hhhhmmmm difficult to think that it won't be 32 licenced teams ... but in time if can grow the community Football support to say 86% like other codes then a model more in line with what you want is possible... Mid, of course AFL and to some extent NRL have such a huge television audience for their codes..... its not played anywhere else.... what else can they watch???? I guess we are coming at the issue from two different sides... popularity, money, mainstream cut through are all well and good but a professional pathway for the thousands upon thousands of young lads and lasses who dont have that at the moment is the URGENT need our Socceroos and Matildas have... the rest will follow. Our player base doesnt have to watch professional Australian football... it just was to watch and like FOOTBALL which they, in the main, already do. Mon You miss my point.... the other codes have a conversation rate of player to watcher of 86%. Football in Australia has a conversation rate of just under 30% of which only about 15% watch the A-L...The reasons are many but in large part is because of the various perceptions that people have of Australian Professional Football..... For Australia Professional Football to grow it needs to grow the conversation rate of player to watcher.... how I don't know.... but that this is the key to future growth IMO without question. Mate that surprises me.... Are you saying that out of the million or so players (round number if it even applies) are you saying that only 300 thousand watch ANY soccer on TV or streaming???? so who are the million or so that will wake up to watch the Socceroos in Qatar or the 300-400 thousand who will wake up in the morning later this year to watch Liverpool v Man United? There were 75 thousand people at the match IN person to watch Barcelona last month, let alone a couple of hundred thousand on telly..... Your point, as I understand it, is to get people ( mainly current players I think??) watching Aleague football ..... why? Who does it benefit apart from the APL? Melbourne Victory are rumoured to be selling 75% of their "piece of paper" to a US Equity firm .... if more people subscribe to paramount+ then some overseas board will show a mild profit..... then what? Sorry I just dont see the enthusiasm for "consuming" and sending our hard earned overseas.....
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Got to say reading Middys posts lose's me...... Worse he quotes one day down the track we will follow suit re the US, you got to be kidding me Middy. I mentioned earlier we so different to them in regards to sport, they are used to closed shop competitions. The usual codes that dominate like NFL etcetc like here (afl/nrl) dwarfed football hence struggle street like here and why Franchise/MLS eventuated there. MONEY and population is why MLS has built up, whereas here the same model will struggle forever and a day due to countless reasons and more so without the rest of the lower levels supporting it and part of (2 diff models cannot work in this country) in turn talking about your player to viewer support. The only way to increase player based viewing is having an open free vibrant comp with P/R, then and only then will invested/player bother more for the local top league. Climbing the mountain is the pinnacle with fear of falling down a level, get it. Thats what people like to watch more than anything else not being merican.
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+xGot to say reading Middys posts lose's me...... Worse he quotes one day down the track we will follow suit re the US, you got to be kidding me Middy. I mentioned earlier we so different to them in regards to sport, they are used to closed shop competitions. The usual codes that dominate like NFL etcetc like here (afl/nrl) dwarfed football hence struggle street like here and why Franchise/MLS eventuated there. MONEY and population is why MLS has built up, whereas here the same model will struggle forever and a day due to countless reasons and more so without the rest of the lower levels supporting it and part of (2 diff models cannot work in this country) in turn talking about your player to viewer support. The only way to increase player based viewing is having an open free vibrant comp with P/R, then and only then will invested/player bother more for the local top league. Climbing the mountain is the pinnacle with fear of falling down a level, get it. Thats what people like to watch more than anything else not being merican. Middy and LFC, sorry for double posting this ( I added to Australia Cup thread) but Mid its a great piece by Joey Lynch which sort of conveys what I think both LFC are trying to say: https://sport.optus.com.au/articles/os45089/football-news-australia-cup-2022-launchKey paragraph, for me: "Is Australian football now perfect on these fronts? Has the Cup ushered in a new era of utopian bliss and goodwill in a previously rancorous footballing community? Absolutely not. Improvements can always be made and there still exists distrust and a clear hierarchy of value in the game. Just look at how the recent conversations surrounding converting fans of touring Premier League sides to Australian football almost exclusively centred on getting them to support an A-Leagues team instead of any level of the pyramid, or the self-defeating ‘burn it all down mentality’ that still lurks outside the A-Leagues."
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3 rounds left and 8 points clear (thanks to good ol Choackleigh for another "gift" last night)... Anyone interested should get down to JL Murphy on Saturday to watch us celebrate the successful season - with any luck :)  5 of the top 6 are "Greek" clubs this year ......Looks like NPL Vic will still have a strong Greek contingent even when the main clubs go up to NSD next season :)
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Paul Trimboli walks on water ..... https://mobile.twitter.com/smfc/status/1552609512065941520?cxt=HHwWoICqmYGI_YsrAAAADamn you, whoever put this together.... Why remind us what was stolen from us? I shouldn't have watched it after a couple of scotches I suppose......😪😪
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Oh FFS....... WHY?????????? Harry lad, congratulations and thanks for honouring the shirt. Take your chance to play pro overseas, you've earned it but ....... FFS this was going to be our year mate...... https://www.smfc.com.au/harrison-sawyer-departs-smfc-for-india/
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 A huge congratulations to the lads, staff, board and fans from a very happy member.... Great season everyone, lets keep it up and have a good crack at finals and maybe, even win the GF..... U21s also finished top .... its raining silverware down at Lakeside again .... :)
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 20 wins in a H/A season ... well done Esteban and the lads...... Great putting Scamondale to the sword yesterday, We hit the woodwork 3 times and two clutch saves by Avondale goalie denied us more goals but just fantastic to knock the "legal eagles" out of the finals on the last day ... Poor Avondale HAHAHAHA No finals last year, no finals this year ..... next year relegation ..... I hope that poor dude that was blowing his top yesterday got home safe.... looked like he was going to have a heart attack. HAHAHAHAHAH. The only disappointing thing is that neither last round nor yesterday did FV honour us with their presence and award us our Premiership plate for 2022 .... They were quite happy to trot ol Kimon out to Jack Edwards to give Choakleigh the "defacto 2021 cup" but didnt think we deserved our silverware presentations despite leading the table ALL year and finishing 6 points clear?????? Poor Aki's wife and the rest of the goons at FV must soo hate that even their "bought and paid for Greek refs" can't keep us down for long.... Lets see if they at least do the right thing and send Harry's golden boot award to India or does it end up as a raffle prize at Jack Edwards????? what a joke soccer in this country can be. BRING ON THE FINALS...... FORZA HELLAS.
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hey ela, congrats to the boys well played, good GD might I add. People hate winners and thats SMH - nothing like having a target on your backs. Poor form by FV. Best of luck in the finals I'll be keeping tabs.
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+xhey ela, congrats to the boys well played, good GD might I add. People hate winners and thats SMH - nothing like having a target on your backs. Poor form by FV. Best of luck in the finals I'll be keeping tabs. Thanks brother. Nothing like having a good season after 3 or 4 years of dross.... Im so cut that the NPL final series looks like a thing of the past now... was looking forward to an interstate clash with either Adelaide Juve or Sydney Olympic. Oh well, 2 more games to go (if lucky) and then a LOOOOONNNNGGGGGGG off season ... at least having WC and EPL will help tide me over :)
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I was gonna mention about the State winners play off but thought not to, that going a bit plastic hehe... By the way your fellow greek SO got knocked out in pens by BC yesterday in the semi. We have Manly vs Blactown City GF. SO were Minor Prems. Yep that weird WC and thankgoodness for the EPL, already been mad after just 3games. Big one in the morn go LFC..
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+xI was gonna mention about the State winners play off but thought not to, that going a bit plastic hehe...By the way your fellow greek SO got knocked out in pens by BC yesterday in the semi. We have Manly vs Blactown City GF. SO were Minor Prems. Yep that weird WC and thankgoodness for the EPL, already been mad after just 3games. Big one in the morn go LFC.. Hahahaha I know its a bit plastic mate but considering its going to be the format for the NSD moving forward we "should" get used to it eh? hahahahahaha Did anybody say "Champions League"??? hahahahahah
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Lakeside, Sunday 4th September, 4pm..... Comedy gold from one of your fellow Aleaguers who has since removed his tweet........ wanted to know why South won't announce who we are playing in the semis yet? Hahahahahahah. https://mobile.twitter.com/Savvastzionis/status/1561719460523905026/photo/1
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Jesus, if you find that funny no wonder you laugh so hard at your own posts!
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+xJesus, if you find that funny no wonder you laugh so hard at your own posts! Aha........ you are bang on Davide. I shouldn't find it funny that the reason my club isnt in the "ISUZU Trucks but not passenger vehicles A League Men's PTY LTD event series" is because we are unable to announce who our semi finalist opponents are before their qualifying match is played. And that someone, who is supposedly a football customer, would understand that when it comes to finals or any sort of knockout scenario in football, sometimes you can;t know who your opponents are until they qualify .............. but I do...... I find it extremely funny that racist hatred over rides reality to the point were the nuffy's post is deleted as soon as the club responds with a cheeky little bon mot as per below:) Aha ...... as you like to exclaim...... 
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It's just such a pedestrian nothing interaction.
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+xIt's just such a pedestrian nothing interaction. I'm happy for you though I know exactly what to get you for Christmas ...... :) https://smfcshop.com/Everyone needs a shirt with two dudes in tights and skirts firing a cannon  
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Melbcityguy
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Congrats Hellas
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Timmy's d'man!
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