Maybe I should objectify young women like you eh you boring old fart?

C'mon mate.... the people saying that would have been saying the same thing on Friday night and Thursday night and last week and last year...... 

Do you have a problem with the maori haka? Everyone seems to love it and has cultural significance in NZ. How is the Welcome to Country any different from an indigenous cultural perspective here?

Football in Australia is known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world. Most of it is fantastic. Some of it is bad (ie. Sydney United on Saturday night).

What our sport doesn’t do very well is getting our first nations people to play Football. Some of the skills they posses in other sports would suggest indigenous Australians would be great at Football. You only need to look as far as Sam Kerr of course. Embracing indigenous culture with things such as Welcome to Country at matches may get more of them interested in playing our sport, and that can only be a good thing.  

But if you wanna be a snowflake by getting triggered about random "woke" stuff (which is what people like you would label it as), that’s your problem. The rest of us will just get on with it. 

I doubt it. A league fans generally arent interested in pseudo nationalistic chest beating. Sure there are dickheads at every club but I dont recall any incidents of fascist chants, nazi salutes, etc. 

Well, the fanatics still do the “Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oi Oi Oi” thing  :hehe:

100% they would but I mean more like people could object and there’s smoke there to support it. 

Why does everyone assume Sammy is First Nations? Her ancestral heritage is from India😑

Not what Im talking about... Are you saying that incidents of fascist chanting are worse than homophobia or ultra violence? Why? Is it because one group of fans has a visible commonality of heritage and the other is the "offcasts" of society? Poor behaviour is poor behaviour .... you can blame it on ethnicity all you like, but maybe lets get these "inclusive warm and fuzzy ceremonies" in front of a feral Aleage crowds to see their reaction first before just pointing the finger eh? 
I have spoken to 4 Cro friends these last two days and ALL are absolutely mortified with the behaviour shown on TV by these neo-Ustase.... Now maybe, behind my back some of these guys might secretly agree with the ultra-nationalism, but they have condemned it because they know its not acceptable to a civilised society to behave this way....

I dont know mate, to be honest my fear is that this sort of thing is just like honey to 16-26 year old guys... I condemn it now but thought it was just magnificent in 1999 GF (against Danny Townsend and Robbie Slater's Sydney Croatia btw) when the South fans sung the Greek national anthem so load over the terraces you couldn't hear the Australian one that poor little bird was trying to sing.... a huge "fuck you" to a mainstream that didnt want us and we didnt care .... 200+ flares lighting the whole game .... as a kid in his 20s that was just pure joy ...... its attractive to want that argy bargy shit as an angry young man and thats what I think these 2nd, 3rd gen Cro kids are ..... The more you tell kids not to do something the more they WILL do it...... you said it perfectly just fools.... But in school today alot of these kids will be showing their mates how hard they where at the soccer.....JUST LIKE Aleague kids do.....

Has the welcome to country changed recently?
I swear it used to take about 1 minute, a quick welcome to everyone, elders, participants, crowd etc, respect the land/ history and that was it.  
I don't mind it but the last few I've seen have taken up to 5 minutes and seem to ramble on.  

Welcome to country is nothing but pandering and condascending nonsense. It was never part of Aboriginal culture, not in the way it is represented anyway. Think about the harsh environment Aborignal tribes lived under, no one was welcoming anyone. It would usually mean copping a spear to the chest or sending your women to get raped by a bigger tribe. Welcome to country is nothing but fantasy but you are not allowed to say anything. However the proper thing to do is to say silent, pretend it existed for thousands of years, allow the grift to continue and just grit your teeth. Welcome to country indeed. 

I think they're getting her mixed up with Kyah.

Yeah whatever!!!! I've got football to watch the A-league & the World cup, enjoy your Mediterranean games in the NPL you arsewipe.

Just like we did with the Aboriginals, like they didn't exist for the last 250 years.

If football fans are going to reject the Welcome to Country outright, like many on this and other boards recommend, then we will be outliers of Australian sport and treated like pariahs.
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

There is a happy medium.
Firstly, the Weclome to Country should be give our full support, full stop, no ifs and buts.
Secondly, we should be pointing out that it's a small number of uncouth, young males who were guilty of gross disrespect.  That's it.  No time for slashing wrists or making absurd statements.  Just deal with the reality that it's a tiny number, and at the end of the day, there's always one in every crowd.

Even if its not true. 

I'm not sure that points deductions should be the go to option.  Firstly it punishes the players for something that they had no role in.  Sanctions should be appropriate to the offence.  FIFA has a set of sanctions that FA have adopted with some changes that give the disciplinary committee a wide range of options.  eg., For crowd offences they can decide that playing behind locked doors is the sanction to use.  It hurts the fans and costs the club without lessening the value of the players hard work.  For breaching transfer rules they can decide that banning the club from operating in the transfer market for say 2 years is appropriate.  etc., etc.,.  There are lesser options than the ones I have given that allow for sanctions that match the severity of the offence.

The important part of the regulations as I see it is that the disciplinary committee is allowed to take previous offences into account when deciding on the sanction they select.  On the crowd behaviour in a cup game issue they might start with a fine for the club for a first offence,  playing behind closed doors for a second offence, exclusion from the competition for a period of time for a third offence.  If the same happened in a league competition the sanctions may be the same for first and second offence but for a third offence the sanction might be relegation to a lower division.

PS.  Sanctions that the disciplinary committee decide on need to have a strong basis so that they are able to be sustained through the appeal process that is part of the regulations.

Have been observing a lot of Social Media over the Australian Cup Final.

Not only are the incidents at the final a problem but the demands of so many acting as judge jury and executioner.

Clearly there is still a divide.

This needs to be handled expertly, with natural justice a priority when it comes to the Club.

When it comes to individuals, needs to handled by the law, followed by Football sanctions.

And dare I say, this is why A-League and FA are afraid of active support?
To many loose cannons?

The issue that clubs have difficulty facing is that both FIFA and FA regulations give them accountability for the actions of their fans at and near the venue.

There is one national anthem at the end of the day, not 3 or4. Stand for that, but I find it's not something necessary for the welcome to country.
Its not aboriginal country that we are just staying in, it's all our country. I was born here, I don't need to be welcomed by a fellow citizen.
Still, booing is not my go 

I would not be surprised if FIFA stepped in on this (or hadn't already been in touch with FFA on it). It has made international news. 

International football body like some low hanging fruit to make it look like they are doing something about social issues and the game, a bit of chest beating.

In this sort of issue FIFA has taken action against the Member Association ie., Football Australia.

That's my problem with it. It should be a 'welcome' not a platform for a politics. 

Otherwise give me a crack. 'I've got a lotta problems with you people.'

I've lost my train of thought. 

It just shouldn’t exist fullstop. It’s some recently invented bullshit we’re expected to believe has been happening for thousands of years. Every public event here in my town a bloke not even from the local region conducts these ‘welcomes’, when those in attendance like me are born a kilometer up the road. Yet dare question it and you’re a racist. How about we fuck it off and stop creating more division.

Most of you seem to think that welcome to country is somehow negotiable. It's really not. However you feel about it, it has been accepted by the mainstream and the power centres in this country quite a few years ago. It happens at all sporting events and is here to stay. Football is simply not in a position to reject it. Booing it will only cast us as pariahs and racists, and will lead to further marginalisation of the sport. 

I can't remember an A-League crowd where dozens were performing Nazi salutes and hundreds, if not thousands, were chanting fascist chants. Happy to be proven wrong though.

honestly speaking what does it 'matter' they turned up that is more then bulls 'fans' did i'd argue if the final was between WU and Macarthur you wouldnt of half that many people. 

i think for all the keyboard warrior 'chest' pounding idiots we have the bottom line is football needs 'FANS' it needs both people to watch it on TV and watch it from the stands in the stadium. 

they is more important then 'welcome to country' that is more important then anything too FOOTBALL and tbh i care about football way more then i care about what the wankers are news.com.au think  

However the NSD comes in there has to be standards in place, otherwise how do they grow on an national stage if there only focused on their own demographic let alone geo. ties?

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