I would have to ask an expert in policy but one assumes mandates were brought in because society has so many basic educated people who cannot grasp that the best thing for everyone was for the majority to get vaccinated to get life back to normal as fast as possible. Which low and behold - has happened.

If we didn't have a huge uptake it's pretty obvious where we'd still be.

Anyway yeah / nah.  

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-21/fact-check-pfizer-admission-transmission-european-parliament/101556606

I dont agree. Australia reached optimal vaccination numbers December last year but only rolled back the last of general public restrictions in the last week or so. A lot of their policies were excessive and there was a very clear and obvious attempt to roll out long term inconsequential measures such as mask wearing.

People will use stats to declare success on their own narrative but the fact is there isnt a single country hit with a wave that rolls out a handful of tokenistic b grade restrictions and is suddenly in an optimal position. Even after 2 years there isnt a single example of country under attack --> masks on buses --> wave subsided. We know the that 80% of the virus spreads by close sustained contact between known people and 100% of the mandates are public for stranger to stranger contact. What miracle are you hoping for?

The only two proven measures of success were closing the shorelines and high levels of compliance (ie- people making smart choices). Australia put an axe into both and in less than a year made the top 15 worst impacted countries, and top 40 of number of cases per million (despite our lower population density). 

I do agree that vaccine mandates were the only way to get to the numbers we managed to get. And it is undeniable a vaccinated population has resulted in our lower death rates and hospitalisations. But for Australia that was never the end game. There was never a plan to vaccinate the population and then move into a phase of living with it, otherwise we would have done that at the end of last year. Response teams were hung up on rolling out mandates due to self interest and even today there is the ever lingering threat that we will see them at the end of the year. "Experts" have already predicted the next wave.

The success to this virus was always to introduce the minimum number of restrictions that could target the bulk of the transmission, and only for the minimum amount of time required, while taking a zero tolerance approach to health and aged care (the most vulnerable sectors). Instead health officials decided to target schools, supermarkets and public transport in a bid to resolve broader health issues.

Came here to post this hahaha

As has been demonstrated over and over and over again, a vaxxed person is/was significantly less likely to get seriously ill and end up in hospital.

The "mandates" were more about reducing the burden on the hospital system by reducing the number of covid infections that needed hospital care.  This are facts, whether you like it or not.

Plenty of mistakes  have been made by governments and health officials over the last 2 years, but you are being deliberately disingenuous and dishonest to yourself pushing this "big lie" narrative.

The reality is a disgraced podiatrist from Bulgaria will counter this with his fact check and they will believe that.

FFS remember the demon sperm doctor Trump said was evidence 

Nope. 
That was never the case. It may have evolved. But initially the Vax was meant to stop the spread. 

The narrative was "do it for others. Save grandma and grandpa" 

But ultimately a healthy unvaxxed young person is more likely to have less severe symptoms than am unhealthy older vaxxed person. 

If it was about saving the hospital's we would've segregated the sick, unhealthy and immunocompromised people.  
They were the main ones in danger. 

Not the young and healthy. 
No need for vax for most under 50. 

Average age of death from/with COVID is over 80. 

That says it all. 

Yeah, look I'm not going to change your mind butler.  You're going to pick and choose what you want to hear and shut your mind off to anything that doesn't go along with the narrative you're trying to push. 

You're literally the opposite of the "critical thinker" that you like to think you are. 

Totally irrelevant post. 
You're going off on tangents 

Bottom line is mandates and segregation was implemented on a lie. A lie that stated unvaxxed were a danger to everyone else. So the unvaxxed needed to be banned from society.  
Not because unvaxxed may clog the hospitals. But because the unvaxxed were supposedly going to spread it everywhere and kill grandma.

You know they're the facts. 
Segregation was unjustified. 

It really is that simple. 

Or you actually think segregation based on vax status was justified??

More about government lies. 
No surprises. 
Frothing mobs cheering on unsupported and inhumane government decisions. 

https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/australias-huge-covid-lies-finally-exposed/news-story/44c571e0f0f3f2100226b709717638af

Hindsight is wonderful isn't it.

I mean at a per capita rate the same as the US we'd have over 80 000 dead. Are you OK with that?

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/canadian-leader-considers-dropping-covid-lockdown-charges-apologizes-to-unvaccinated/ar-AA13hYqA

Whether vaccine mandates were necessary to get our population to 90% (which we accomplished at the end of last year) is debatable. But the following months of segregation based on bitterness towards the unvaccinated can't be justified

We agreed to open up after 90% when it was safe to do so. And our low death rate and hospitalisation numbers proved that was the case. Once we reached that threshold there was no need for vaccine mandates, and no need for vaccine regulations

So what was the objective? Keep hospitalisations numbers and deaths low? Or create a sub class of people who chose not to get vaccinated

Do you think segregation was justified?? 

Most people supported discrimination on zero health basis...but only on an injection or 4 that may lessen symptoms within 3-4 months. 

What do you think now with hindsight? 

Any chance some of the forumites that were demonising the unvaccinated care to continue to justify segregation?

Well if the same thing happens again they can tweak the strategy. Any other questions?

Tweaking a strategy?? 
Similar South Africa.??..instead of apartheid perhaps they could've just tweaked the strategy?? 

Still Didn't answer my question. 

Was segregation justified ?

With regards to trying to stop the spread of the virus or regards unvaxxed people being kept out?

Just answer the question. 

Segregation was never going to stop the spread. 

Imagine equating an inherently evil, institutionalised policy of multi-generational segregation apartheid certain government organisations and businesses wanting their employees to be vaccinated. 

Some of the most heartbreaking segregation I have seen is at football games...apartheid has nothing on the cages we were kept in for 90 minutes in the homeland

Let's not forget gendered bathrooms, schools, and retirement villages. All horrid examples of segregation that are as abhorrent as apartheid.

Pregnant women and little shorties not being allowed on carnival rides.....it's a fooking disgrace - worse than what happened to the jews

Quite a few people who were all for segregation making light of the situation.  
Diminishing the rhetoric aimed at the unvaccinated being demonised and banished from society. 

Hope it makes you feel better. 

Can anyone of you answer the question?

Was segregation justified ??
Still waiting 

Yes

Again I ask with regards to what? Lockouts or people not being able to work without being vaxxed or both or something else?

You've already been provided with an answer. You just don't like it.

I think he means when they were give the star of david, and transported by rail car to be executed.

You only need to have a look at Queensland to see whats wrong with Australia's management of the pandemic

They introduced a traffic light system of meaningless B grade restrictions. Today they have announced they have already moved into the green despite national consistency being the dumping of requirements for people with Covid to isolate. This is based on a self declared likely wave from Victoria and another variant of concern. So already we have a state unwilling to move past b grade mandates

They are also only 2 spreadsheets of made up data away from face masks indoors. No transparency around what constitutes a wave. No transparency around what benchmarks will be used to retract restrictions

Where is the insurmountable evidence that face masks in some situations can reduce hospital numbers during an out of control concerning outbreak?

Just a blank cheque for health officials to enforce mask mandates. This shit should be illegal


Edit: OK so the article was ambiguous between whether this was just advice or mandates as it bounced between terminology and was contradictory in parts. But still stupid for a state to try to control an outbreak purely on b grade restrictions that failed during the last one. People are at a stage where they make their own mind up what to do based on their own situation. Thats a hell of a lot better than the blanket one sized fits all mandates we have had to endure

Based on the analysis of the publicly available information, it appears reasonable to conclude that
the COVID-19 pandemic was, more likely than not, the result of a research-related incident. New
information, made publicly available and independently verifiable, could change this assessment. However,
the hypothesis of a natural zoonotic origin no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt, or the presumption
of accuracy......

https://www.help.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/report_an_analysis_of_the_origins_of_covid-19_102722.pdf

It was a disgrace how the WHO, the Far Left and their sycophants in the traditional and online media buried the truth and labelled anyone who challenged their narrative as a "conspiracy theorist". 

Face masks have multiple objectives.  They work to reduce transmission and transmission of a high viral load.  They are most effective when they worn correctly and worn by all parties in relatively close proximity.

Lets just stop and think about someone else other than ourselves just for a minute.  If you infect the health workers because you were infected, didn't know or didn't care, and didn't wear a mask as you flapped your lips at them, who will staff those hospitals help you if you get sick?  (lets make it all about you and ignore that your actions risked someone else's health)

My experience has been anyone who hasn't been hospitalized, or doesn't know someone who they care about who has gotten sick or died, simply doesn't give a fuck.  I kind of knew it anyway working in health care for 30 years, but it confirmed that most-yes most-Australians are selfish cnuts. Is it any wonder health care staff are quitting or going part time?  Why would anyone risk themselves to save cnuts who won't even put on a mask for even a short time?