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+x+x+x+xI don’t think he’s ruled out playing for Oz. Firstly who’d wanna play under Arnold? Secondly he would most likely get garbage minutes. Thirdly he might upset Roma, Italian fans, stifling perhaps future opportunities at Roma or other clubs. He is still 18yo, with a handful of club caps, whose never represented Australia at any level. At his age, I’d say his focus is on developing his skills set and establishing himself as a first team player with Roma, rather than achieving world cup glory with Australia. We are very unlikely to get out of the group, he wont likely see many minutes, and there are several downsides which could impact his career. I’d say the boy is making a completely rational decision. If Italy comes knocking he will choose them, but if not he may be open to playing for us in around 12 months time for the Asia cup. Hopefully FFA handles this well, maturely and keep the lines of communication open. I think, personalty, that is a major part of the angst we are having these days. Volpatto is not the only player we are calling to be being capped without having represented Australia at junior levels these days.... Pretty sure that happens to even the best countries though.Youth national teams don't transition man for man to the senior team anywhere Does it though? Sure, we are not unique in going to "ancestry.com" or handing out citizenship willie nillie for sportmen/women (in all sport btw just look at our gymnastics, track and field, weightlifting squads etc etc over the years) but I would argue that the majority of other nations, with players that where born and played in that countries football system to some capacity, would have all had their 1st eleven players in the national youth teams at some stage... Only one off the top of my head I can think of as an exception would be Jamie Vardy.... Sure there are probably dozens of other examples, but not hundreds...... at least that I can think of. Having done the appropriate amount of research (5 minutes on wikipedia), I see 4 of England's latest squad had not taken any part in England youth national teams. Additionally, Harry Maguire only ever had one game in the England youth team. Sure, that's not their first eleven, but I'm not interested enough to know who that would be. A similar search for France showed 3 of their latest squad. So similar levels to us (4, plus one with 1 cap).
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+x+x+x+x+xI don’t think he’s ruled out playing for Oz. Firstly who’d wanna play under Arnold? Secondly he would most likely get garbage minutes. Thirdly he might upset Roma, Italian fans, stifling perhaps future opportunities at Roma or other clubs. He is still 18yo, with a handful of club caps, whose never represented Australia at any level. At his age, I’d say his focus is on developing his skills set and establishing himself as a first team player with Roma, rather than achieving world cup glory with Australia. We are very unlikely to get out of the group, he wont likely see many minutes, and there are several downsides which could impact his career. I’d say the boy is making a completely rational decision. If Italy comes knocking he will choose them, but if not he may be open to playing for us in around 12 months time for the Asia cup. Hopefully FFA handles this well, maturely and keep the lines of communication open. I think, personalty, that is a major part of the angst we are having these days. Volpatto is not the only player we are calling to be being capped without having represented Australia at junior levels these days.... Pretty sure that happens to even the best countries though.Youth national teams don't transition man for man to the senior team anywhere Does it though? Sure, we are not unique in going to "ancestry.com" or handing out citizenship willie nillie for sportmen/women (in all sport btw just look at our gymnastics, track and field, weightlifting squads etc etc over the years) but I would argue that the majority of other nations, with players that where born and played in that countries football system to some capacity, would have all had their 1st eleven players in the national youth teams at some stage... Only one off the top of my head I can think of as an exception would be Jamie Vardy.... Sure there are probably dozens of other examples, but not hundreds...... at least that I can think of. Having done the appropriate amount of research (5 minutes on wikipedia), I see 4 of England's latest squad had not taken any part in England youth national teams. Additionally, Harry Maguire only ever had one game in the England youth team. Sure, that's not their first eleven, but I'm not interested enough to know who that would be. A similar search for France showed 3 of their latest squad. So similar levels to us (4, plus one with 1 cap). Thats odd, I can only see Nick Pope but concede your point about Maguire....
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI don’t think he’s ruled out playing for Oz. Firstly who’d wanna play under Arnold? Secondly he would most likely get garbage minutes. Thirdly he might upset Roma, Italian fans, stifling perhaps future opportunities at Roma or other clubs. He is still 18yo, with a handful of club caps, whose never represented Australia at any level. At his age, I’d say his focus is on developing his skills set and establishing himself as a first team player with Roma, rather than achieving world cup glory with Australia. We are very unlikely to get out of the group, he wont likely see many minutes, and there are several downsides which could impact his career. I’d say the boy is making a completely rational decision. If Italy comes knocking he will choose them, but if not he may be open to playing for us in around 12 months time for the Asia cup. Hopefully FFA handles this well, maturely and keep the lines of communication open. I think, personalty, that is a major part of the angst we are having these days. Volpatto is not the only player we are calling to be being capped without having represented Australia at junior levels these days.... Pretty sure that happens to even the best countries though.Youth national teams don't transition man for man to the senior team anywhere Does it though? Sure, we are not unique in going to "ancestry.com" or handing out citizenship willie nillie for sportmen/women (in all sport btw just look at our gymnastics, track and field, weightlifting squads etc etc over the years) but I would argue that the majority of other nations, with players that where born and played in that countries football system to some capacity, would have all had their 1st eleven players in the national youth teams at some stage... Only one off the top of my head I can think of as an exception would be Jamie Vardy.... Sure there are probably dozens of other examples, but not hundreds...... at least that I can think of. Having done the appropriate amount of research (5 minutes on wikipedia), I see 4 of England's latest squad had not taken any part in England youth national teams. Additionally, Harry Maguire only ever had one game in the England youth team. Sure, that's not their first eleven, but I'm not interested enough to know who that would be. A similar search for France showed 3 of their latest squad. So similar levels to us (4, plus one with 1 cap). Thats odd, I can only see Nick Pope but concede your point about Maguire.... The point is it happens and happens quite frequently. Late bloomers etc exist everywhere
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+xThe FA seem to have really dropped the ball here. Very Disappointing ... the australian system has failed him, twice. do you blame him for choosing italy? he wont be the last player to choose another nationality
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+x+xThe FA seem to have really dropped the ball here. Very Disappointing ... do you blame him for choosing italy? if the FA Failed to be proactive and Failed to make a persuasive case for him to choose Australia , resorting to "last minute phone calls " , then no ...
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makes me think we need to get the ball rolling on Rafael Rech. If the kid is even half interesting in playing for Aus get him in and have a look. Serie A in Brasil is good level to be playing at while only 19.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI don’t think he’s ruled out playing for Oz. Firstly who’d wanna play under Arnold? Secondly he would most likely get garbage minutes. Thirdly he might upset Roma, Italian fans, stifling perhaps future opportunities at Roma or other clubs. He is still 18yo, with a handful of club caps, whose never represented Australia at any level. At his age, I’d say his focus is on developing his skills set and establishing himself as a first team player with Roma, rather than achieving world cup glory with Australia. We are very unlikely to get out of the group, he wont likely see many minutes, and there are several downsides which could impact his career. I’d say the boy is making a completely rational decision. If Italy comes knocking he will choose them, but if not he may be open to playing for us in around 12 months time for the Asia cup. Hopefully FFA handles this well, maturely and keep the lines of communication open. I think, personalty, that is a major part of the angst we are having these days. Volpatto is not the only player we are calling to be being capped without having represented Australia at junior levels these days.... Pretty sure that happens to even the best countries though.Youth national teams don't transition man for man to the senior team anywhere Does it though? Sure, we are not unique in going to "ancestry.com" or handing out citizenship willie nillie for sportmen/women (in all sport btw just look at our gymnastics, track and field, weightlifting squads etc etc over the years) but I would argue that the majority of other nations, with players that where born and played in that countries football system to some capacity, would have all had their 1st eleven players in the national youth teams at some stage... Only one off the top of my head I can think of as an exception would be Jamie Vardy.... Sure there are probably dozens of other examples, but not hundreds...... at least that I can think of. Having done the appropriate amount of research (5 minutes on wikipedia), I see 4 of England's latest squad had not taken any part in England youth national teams. Additionally, Harry Maguire only ever had one game in the England youth team. Sure, that's not their first eleven, but I'm not interested enough to know who that would be. A similar search for France showed 3 of their latest squad. So similar levels to us (4, plus one with 1 cap). Thats odd, I can only see Nick Pope but concede your point about Maguire.... The point is it happens and happens quite frequently. Late bloomers etc exist everywhere C'mon mate, Garang Kuol is 18 and was senior capped BEFORE his 2 or 3 U20s appearances..... What is also quite painful is, of the Socceroors that have been in the junior system, how few games they have played compared to other countries players.....
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Optus running Arnold quote that Volpato was told he was in the squad up until the last minute and it was his call. Poor wording if so as who got in instead of Volpato? I'd love to be a fly on the wall and hear how much faith some squad members have in the coach.
The sideline view video from yesterday when Arnold got up on stage post Peru 'the haters have gone quiet.' I'm glad he could have his dig and moment but also he's still got to get things right in many aspects. We still don't seem to have a system and all the barking from the sideline leaves the team confused.
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+x+xThe FA seem to have really dropped the ball here. Very Disappointing ... the australian system has failed him, twice. do you blame him for choosing italy? he wont be the last player to choose another nationality A- he wasn't good enough at the time, went away and trained privately for a long time. No system failed him. B- He doesnt get to choose Italy. That's their choice if they ever take it.
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I reckon countries should only be able to select players who've played 20+ times for junior national teams. We could have Jason Hoffman up front, and Poland could bench Lewandowski for Oskar Zawada.
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Apparently Volpato's growth spurt happened just after missing out on Australian teams. All timing.
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+x+xI am amazed that the playing group seem solidly behind Arnold.
So you admit it. Way to contradict yourself lol. You are clueless if you think playing favourites is a good man management technique. I know you are a fanboi of Arnie's, so it's alright.
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+x+x+xThe FA seem to have really dropped the ball here. Very Disappointing ... the australian system has failed him, twice. do you blame him for choosing italy? he wont be the last player to choose another nationality A- he wasn't good enough at the time, went away and trained privately for a long time. No system failed him. B- He doesnt get to choose Italy. That's their choice if they ever take it. for me i wanted him to play for us but to say no to a world cup i wouldn't call him up if he changes his mind now, if Italy don't want him he can f**k off it is one thing is he is picking between going to a WC with Italy or Australia the fact he isn't even in the Italian squad and Italy isn't going to the world cup is a slap in the face to go to a world cup is an honor - players missed out who probably 'deserved' to go but that is life not everyone can go we move on....
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+xApparently Volpato's growth spurt happened just after missing out on Australian teams. All timing. That’s about as good excuse as “the dog ate homework”.
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+x+x+x+xThe FA seem to have really dropped the ball here. Very Disappointing ... the australian system has failed him, twice. do you blame him for choosing italy? he wont be the last player to choose another nationality A- he wasn't good enough at the time, went away and trained privately for a long time. No system failed him. B- He doesnt get to choose Italy. That's their choice if they ever take it. for me i wanted him to play for us but to say no to a world cup i wouldn't call him up if he changes his mind now, if Italy don't want him he can f**k off it is one thing is he is picking between going to a WC with Italy or Australia the fact he isn't even in the Italian squad and Italy isn't going to the world cup is a slap in the face to go to a world cup is an honor - players missed out who probably 'deserved' to go but that is life not everyone can go we move on.... I have never agreed with you on anything, but you're spot on here. Volpato can go fuck himself.
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+x+x+xThe FA seem to have really dropped the ball here. Very Disappointing ... the australian system has failed him, twice. do you blame him for choosing italy? he wont be the last player to choose another nationality A- he wasn't good enough at the time, went away and trained privately for a long time. No system failed him. This. Im so sick of hearing people say "the system failed him" when they have absolutely no idea whether that is the case or not. Answer is we don't know. If Valpato was one of several player sin the last few years that were released from an A-League club to then go on to a big euro league, then fine. But, as it stands, he's the only player I can think of where this has happened so it is very, very likely the he simply wasn't good enough at the time he was in Australia.
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+x+x+xThe FA seem to have really dropped the ball here. Very Disappointing ... the australian system has failed him, twice. do you blame him for choosing italy? he wont be the last player to choose another nationality A- he wasn't good enough at the time, went away and trained privately for a long time. No system failed him. B- He doesnt get to choose Italy. That's their choice if they ever take it. “He had a growth spurt” ”He went away and trained privately for a long time” Some absolute pearlers lads. Keep ‘em coming.
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+x+x+x+xThe FA seem to have really dropped the ball here. Very Disappointing ... the australian system has failed him, twice. do you blame him for choosing italy? he wont be the last player to choose another nationality A- he wasn't good enough at the time, went away and trained privately for a long time. No system failed him. B- He doesnt get to choose Italy. That's their choice if they ever take it. “He had a growth spurt” ”He went away and trained privately for a long time” Some absolute pearlers lads. Keep ‘em coming. Once again, if you can't name another player where this has happened, it is very likely that these reasons are fair.
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+x+xIf it was a "last minute" phone call, then I suspect that it was just a face saving exercise from Arnold. Mates, the kid is playing in the Serie A for crying out loud!. Arnold should have locked him in weeks ago, telling him to keep it under his hat. Arnold's problem has always been man management. To have chased Langerack to come back into the fold and then not to have given him a single minute in the friendlies against New Zealand was an absolute joke. No wonder Langerack had "retired" from internationals. I am amazed that the playing group seem solidly behind Arnold, as he shows total disrespect for some of the players that could/should be lock ins. I guess therein is the clue. When you're in, you don't rock the boat as Arnold has made perfectly clear that if you're out, you stay out no matter what! I so look forward to a new Aussie coach post the World Cup. Someone who selects on form and playing, not merely mates rates. By selecting his duds, Arnold will seal his own fate. Instead of blaming Vopato U blame Arnold. Mate, the kid doesn't Wana play Australia Arnie can be on his knee begging n he still gonna reject. Just like if U r fat ugly guy asking a super model who dating a handsome movie star , U can beg all U want the chance is she gonna say no. Except he's not a supermodel, he's a Kmart catalogue model.
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+x+x+xIf it was a "last minute" phone call, then I suspect that it was just a face saving exercise from Arnold. Mates, the kid is playing in the Serie A for crying out loud!. Arnold should have locked him in weeks ago, telling him to keep it under his hat. Arnold's problem has always been man management. To have chased Langerack to come back into the fold and then not to have given him a single minute in the friendlies against New Zealand was an absolute joke. No wonder Langerack had "retired" from internationals. I am amazed that the playing group seem solidly behind Arnold, as he shows total disrespect for some of the players that could/should be lock ins. I guess therein is the clue. When you're in, you don't rock the boat as Arnold has made perfectly clear that if you're out, you stay out no matter what! I so look forward to a new Aussie coach post the World Cup. Someone who selects on form and playing, not merely mates rates. By selecting his duds, Arnold will seal his own fate. Instead of blaming Vopato U blame Arnold. Mate, the kid doesn't Wana play Australia Arnie can be on his knee begging n he still gonna reject. Just like if U r fat ugly guy asking a super model who dating a handsome movie star , U can beg all U want the chance is she gonna say no. Except he's not a supermodel, he's a Kmart catalogue model. so Australia shouldn't care.
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+x+x+x+xIf it was a "last minute" phone call, then I suspect that it was just a face saving exercise from Arnold. Mates, the kid is playing in the Serie A for crying out loud!. Arnold should have locked him in weeks ago, telling him to keep it under his hat. Arnold's problem has always been man management. To have chased Langerack to come back into the fold and then not to have given him a single minute in the friendlies against New Zealand was an absolute joke. No wonder Langerack had "retired" from internationals. I am amazed that the playing group seem solidly behind Arnold, as he shows total disrespect for some of the players that could/should be lock ins. I guess therein is the clue. When you're in, you don't rock the boat as Arnold has made perfectly clear that if you're out, you stay out no matter what! I so look forward to a new Aussie coach post the World Cup. Someone who selects on form and playing, not merely mates rates. By selecting his duds, Arnold will seal his own fate. Instead of blaming Vopato U blame Arnold. Mate, the kid doesn't Wana play Australia Arnie can be on his knee begging n he still gonna reject. Just like if U r fat ugly guy asking a super model who dating a handsome movie star , U can beg all U want the chance is she gonna say no. Except he's not a supermodel, he's a Kmart catalogue model. so Australia shouldn't care. Still a model, and has some potential, so it's just regret you didn't have a crack when he was a fat teenage with a dady complex.
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+x+x+xIf it was a "last minute" phone call, then I suspect that it was just a face saving exercise from Arnold. Mates, the kid is playing in the Serie A for crying out loud!. Arnold should have locked him in weeks ago, telling him to keep it under his hat. Arnold's problem has always been man management. To have chased Langerack to come back into the fold and then not to have given him a single minute in the friendlies against New Zealand was an absolute joke. No wonder Langerack had "retired" from internationals. I am amazed that the playing group seem solidly behind Arnold, as he shows total disrespect for some of the players that could/should be lock ins. I guess therein is the clue. When you're in, you don't rock the boat as Arnold has made perfectly clear that if you're out, you stay out no matter what! I so look forward to a new Aussie coach post the World Cup. Someone who selects on form and playing, not merely mates rates. By selecting his duds, Arnold will seal his own fate. Instead of blaming Vopato U blame Arnold. Mate, the kid doesn't Wana play Australia Arnie can be on his knee begging n he still gonna reject. Just like if U r fat ugly guy asking a super model who dating a handsome movie star , U can beg all U want the chance is she gonna say no. Except he's not a supermodel, he's a Kmart catalogue model. But he's surrounded by former supermodels who are clearly telling him he's a shoe in for Italy
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I think what John Aloisi said about the fact he didn't make the call till 11pm(he obviously feels some part aussie) but at 18 with the position he is in the overall boost from going to WC with Oz is probably not going to help him become a first teamer he obviously wants to make in it in the Serie A, so who knows what possible down the road. I think if we bring a quality manager(actual manager who has managed a decent euro nation) in we might be able to persuade some of these guys.
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I don't blame him, blame the system here for not identifying he's talent when he was a-league academy level and also point fingers at Football Aus. for not identifying him for junior national teams as well.
He did it off he's own accord and therefore so he should make the best decision for him and if its Italy then fair enough if he also wants to decide later that he wants to for Australia than its fair enough as well.
Good on him either way and wish him well in he's career.
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+x+x+x+x+xThe FA seem to have really dropped the ball here. Very Disappointing ... the australian system has failed him, twice. do you blame him for choosing italy? he wont be the last player to choose another nationality A- he wasn't good enough at the time, went away and trained privately for a long time. No system failed him. B- He doesnt get to choose Italy. That's their choice if they ever take it. for me i wanted him to play for us but to say no to a world cup i wouldn't call him up if he changes his mind now, if Italy don't want him he can f**k off it is one thing is he is picking between going to a WC with Italy or Australia the fact he isn't even in the Italian squad and Italy isn't going to the world cup is a slap in the face to go to a world cup is an honor - players missed out who probably 'deserved' to go but that is life not everyone can go we move on.... I have never agreed with you on anything, but you're spot on here. Volpato can go fuck himself. see how the world cup brings us all together lol
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+xI think what John Aloisi said about the fact he didn't make the call till 11pm(he obviously feels some part aussie) but at 18 with the position he is in the overall boost from going to WC with Oz is probably not going to help him become a first teamer he obviously wants to make in it in the Serie A, so who knows what possible down the road. I think if we bring a quality manager(actual manager who has managed a decent euro nation) in we might be able to persuade some of these guys. Sorry but nobody says no to a world cup if they want to play for their country. His mind is made up and it has been for a while.
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Reminds me of Christian Vieri whose hero was Alan Broader and he wanted to play cricket for Australia, played for Marconi and choose Italy over Australia others choose Australia...
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I'd love to hear more Italian chatter on this development - if anyone is even talking about it over there. Nuffies of Australian football on Twitter talking like Volpato is a lock to be capped by Italy any day now. I'd have liked him in the squad, sure, but some perspective please. There are Joe Simunics and there are Jamie McMasters. Also, the Italian talent pool is huge. There are so many factors at play.
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+x+x+xThe FA seem to have really dropped the ball here. Very Disappointing ... the australian system has failed him, twice. do you blame him for choosing italy? he wont be the last player to choose another nationality A- he wasn't good enough at the time, went away and trained privately for a long time. No system failed him. B- He doesnt get to choose Italy. That's their choice if they ever take it. so what have the scouts of Roma seen that WSW & SFC haven't? The system has failed him, lack of opportunities, lack of talent scouts. Well he picked italy if they ever want to take him, otherwise he would of been on that plane to Qatar with Australia.
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+x+x+x+xThe FA seem to have really dropped the ball here. Very Disappointing ... the australian system has failed him, twice. do you blame him for choosing italy? he wont be the last player to choose another nationality A- he wasn't good enough at the time, went away and trained privately for a long time. No system failed him. B- He doesnt get to choose Italy. That's their choice if they ever take it. “He had a growth spurt” ”He went away and trained privately for a long time” Some absolute pearlers lads. Keep ‘em coming. lol.
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