I cannot remember a single time were I think he’s saved us against a great team. 

Can anyone remember Ryan ever actually winning or saving a game for us?

Just watched 2014 ‘highlights’ vs Chile and Netherlands. A top keeper would expect to save at least 4 of the 6 goals Ryan conceded. Clearly strikers were told to shoot high as Ryan is usually on his knees when shot is taken.

As an old keeper I often wonder about why todays keepers seem to want to parry shots rather than turn it around the post if it’s not catchable. I suspect part of it is due to the speed that modern balls can be hit making it more difficult to catch, as you say, but even then I think that a faster swerving ball would be easier to turn around the post than parry.

I wonder if another part of it is a desire to minimise the number of corners conceded. I have a feeling that many modern keepers are deliberately aiming to parry shots toward the sideline. In fact I see some keepers appear to use closed fists to try to get greater distance on the ball when parrying. David De Gea appears to be one who does this quite often.

Yeah I do remember I think it was it first season or second and first game of the season was city, they took a 4-1 beating. But he made some incredible saves, one I do remember was a crazy reaction save to deny Jesus a tap in basically. I think what happen at Brighton really rocked his confidence. If he can get that back he can still perform at the top level imo.

hey he's only facing either Benzema/Griezman/Giroud followed by Dembele who can score from range or then that Mbappe lacky lol.......
Piece of cake for Ryan.

hehe, maybe get Bozza out of retirement following a similar course :)
Might as well throw in Cahill being he's there and has been training with the squad, he could head most of the shots out lol.....

Is it too late for Arnie to cap Oakleigh's 14 year old wonder keeper from the FA cup? Makes about as much sense as anything else.

Its not just injury- he could have an absolutely disastrous opening game.  Wander what that would do for his feelings for the next match.

Both Ryan and Langerak should have been picked but neither should have been a lock to play.  Pretty awkward to do when Ryan was made captain.

I can deal with ryan there but as you said if he is injured - it's destructive to have one of the other two

Whatever your thoughts on Ryan it sucks arse big time that if he gets injured we're rooted.

Plus he was on the bench 66 times or something. 

Reality is he is not only much better choice than the other two but also Ryan, who has been poor in every world cup.

He was asked to reconsider his retirement. 

And inferior goalkeepers have now been chosen for politics. 

That seems to be the trouble with most modern keepers. Probably to do with the speed and swerve of the modern balls. Older keepers either caught the ball or if they didn't turned the ball around the post.   

Trouble with double saves are, no matter how exciting, they often come from palming your first save straight onto the foot of the opposition striker

If that's the reason it's beyond petty. It would basically confirm why Maty should be on the bench.

Leave the superior goalkeeper behind so as not to upset the other goalkeeper who's simply not as good.

It's also bloody stupid because if/when he doesn't make the kind of 50/50 saves (while Langerak is back home), his goalkeeping skills are going to be criticised more than ever.

The thing is Langerak can easily challenge the No.1 spot unlike Redders and Vuka, but we know they won't disrupt Maty's position as backups.

Clearly the goal keeping coach and Arnie want to keep Many happy especially that he might be captain as well.

Feel for Langerak who probably has been the unluckiest Socceroo in the last 10 years with only 8 caps to boot, but he should have been in the squad whether Arnie is coach or not.

Ryan made some incredible saves in the first couple of seasons at Brighton. He kept pulling off these bullshit reflex double saves that endeared him to the Brighton fan base. He dropped off a little bit in his third season, before kind of falling off the cliff in the fourth. But he was genuinely awesome for a good while there.

Not with Arnie running the show. Don't get me wrong I love his passion for Australian football, but the blokes a dead set fucking clown. I've been on the fence with him for some time but picking 2 ok'ish aleague level GK's for the squad with uncertainty around Ryan then setting up Crawley as the potential fall guy just seals my opinion of him.

Fair point. I hasnt realised he was there that long. I guess that helps explain why he was considered undroppable for so long. It would have taken a gutsy NT manager to do so.

I wouldn't say that Ryan's shot-stopping abilities ever really struck me as particularly strong for a goalkeeper at that level. Sweeping, sure. But that's not enough. You guys watch him week in, week out, I think. So you might know better than me.

At the end of the day, Australia hasn't got class across the. For that reason, we're especially reliant on a gifted, athletic keeper who is (probably but not necessarily) big. We need a goalkeeper who can pull off the remarkable to keep us in the game.

For ages, the tricky question (Is Ryan the best goalkeeper we have?) was pushed out of the way by virtue of the fact that he was in the EPL (regardless of success beyond getting minutes). I think most people on the forum were prepared to accept that he was the best without being particularly critical the 50/50 saves or the very difficult saves. However, it probably would have been better if this hadn't been taken as granted.

In the 6 WC matches he has played (while being more-or-less a regular at clubside), he hasn't demonstrated the ability to keep us in games.

Now, he's not a regular, so our expectations can only drop further. Yet out of sheer stubbornness and loyalty, he'll get the gloves (despite another performing much better). To reiterate, Maty should still be in the squad for thw WC. But, as our starting goalkeeper, our defence is compromised.

Ryan was deservedly the undisputed number 1 for years. After his mediocre stint at Valencia, he played all the time at Genk, Bruges and Brighton. Of course Langerak had no chance of usurping him during that period. Maty has seriously dropped off in recent years though. Since losing his spot at Brighton, he looks more and more like an average journeyman who can’t break through anywhere. Copenhagen is just kind of humiliating for him. If he can’t make that spot his own in Denmark, maybe it’s time to loosen his grip on the Socceroos. Langerak has actually been a faithful servant and a back up for a long time. He deserves to be given a proper chance now that Ryan has so obviously and visibly declined in form and stature.

Maty isn’t injured. He was in FC Copenhagen’s most recent squad. He did have a niggle previously but not anymore. 

Not quite right. He played 3 full seasons of EPL at Brighton (17/18 38 games, 18/19 34 games, 19/20 38 games) before losing his place part way through the 20/21 season when he played 11 games.

Langerak shouldn't have gone to Dortmund.

But it's much easier to say that in retrospect. When one of the biggests clubs in the world comes calling...

He was the kind of guinea pig for goalkeepers going directly from the A-League big football teams in Europe. It could have gone very differently.

He made a bad career move (but totally understandable). It has hurt his NT career, unfortunately.

And, unfortunately, it has hurt the NT, too. The results in 2014 may have been better with him as goalkeeper, albeit he would have had to hage played out of his skin. For this WC, with Langerak in goals, I would fancy Australia's chances more than i have since 2010.

Meanwhile, Ryan has played much more over the years. But he has never really been secure (besides in Brugge). Every big club he's been at, he has had difficulty keeping the goals out and then been dropped to the bench or sought a transfer out. But the idea of loyalty for the NT managers has involved not even considering the possibility that Ryan might not be the best (hence club football patterns). FWIW, Ryan should still be in the squad to go to the WC, just not the XI.

Of course, a sensible manager would have just accepted that he made a bad call and looked at how Langerak and Ryan are playing now respecyively. And would try to pick the players most capable of delivering the best results.

But no, this is Australia, after all.

If Ryan injured Langerak has to be brought in cos he is definitely better option than Vukovic - who played like crap on Sunday- and Redmayne. But if Langerak can’t be there, would prefer Redmayne over Vukovic based on current form

Look, in the big picture disregarding the backroom politics/retirments and goss by form you'd go L even before Ryan.
It is what it is I'm over the mulling over this topic.
IF I had to pick of the remaining 2 for thats the choices we have by the powers above us Vuka form or not compared to seeing the wiggle look more of the goose.

Bouzanis playing higher level than all current aussie keepers. Still young for a keeper,  I mean maybe Rafa was right all along?

6'2, was a midfielder before he was a keeper so decent with his feet, worked hard over the last two years to get to where he is, has played in EFL finals what more do you need?

OK, poorly worded from me.

Could one of the reasons be that during the stewardship of Holger, Ange and Bert, Matty was playing first string goalie at a higher level than Mitch was?

So Ryan is currently iunjured. If he cannot play the first game, would a single person here think Redmayne of Vukovic would be a better starting option than Langerak? Please keep in mind, the fact he retired and came back doesn't stop his ability to actually keep. 

Could one of the reasons be that during the stewardship of Holger, Ange and Bert, Matty was playing first string goalie in the EPL? Not sure what Arnies reasoning is TBH but I would guess its out of maybe loyalty?