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Langerak 2021/22 (Nagoya): 41 appearances 41 conceded 17 clean sheets 3,609 playing minutes 2020/21 (Nagoya): 54 appearances 42 conceded 31 clean sheets 4,860 playing minutes Vukovic 2021/22 (NEC Nijmegen): 4 appearances 4 conceded 1 clean sheets 360 playing minutes 2020/21 (Genk): 24 appearances 32 conceded 4 clean sheets 2,160 playing minutes Redmayne 2021/22 (Sydney): 22 appearances 30 conceded 6 clean sheets 1,980 playing minutes 2020/21 (Sydney): 25 appearances 23 conceded 9 clean sheets 2,250 playing minutes Ryan 2021/22 (Sociedad): 9 appearances 14 conceded 3 clean sheets 810 playing minutes 2020/21 (Brighton/Arsenal): 14 appearances 21 conceded 3 clean sheets 1,260 playing minutes Stats Over Last 2 Full Seasons: Total Minutes: Langerak 8,469 Redmayne 4,230 Vukovic 2,520 Ryan 2,070 Total Appearances Over Last 2 Full Seasons: Langerak 95 Redmayne 47 Vukovic 28 Ryan 23 Total Clean Sheets Over Last 2 Full Seasons: Langerak 48 Redmayne 15 Vukovic 5 Ryan 6 Total Goals Conceded Per Minutes Played Over Last 2 Full Seasons: Langerak: 1 goal conceded every 102 minutes Redmayne: 1 goal conceded every 80 minutes Vukovic: 1 goal conceded every 70 minutes Ryan: 1 goal conceded every 59 minutes Ratio of Clean Sheets to Games Played Over Last 2 Full Seasons: Langerak: Clean Sheet Every 2.0 Games Redmayne: Clean Sheet Every 3.1 Games Vukovic: Clean Sheet Every 5.6 Games Ryan: Clean Sheet Every 3.8 Games
The non-selection of Langerak is absolutely outrageous as he is statistically far and away our strongest goal keeper, and that includes Mat Ryan. Arnie absolving himself of all responsibility in the decision is pathetic and he is entirely complicit. Seems a prearranged decision by he and Crawley, knowing that Crawley never faces the media and so they're never in a position where they need to properly explain the decision. I'm not on Twitter but would love if someone who is on there could share these stats with Vince Rugari, AussieScout etc to try to further put pressure on Arnold and Crawley for this reprehensible decision. Langerak has been publicly humiliated by being asked to retract his retirement, only to not be chosen in the squad at all, when really, he should be in the first 11 without question. It is garbage that he was approached in case one of the other 3 got injured, as has been suggested. They wouldn't ask someone to come out of retirement to be a 4th choice keeper, and neither would Langerak accept such a proposition. The whole thing has been handled terribly. It is nepotism at its absolute worst, with Crawley looking after his "boys". I hear that Vukovic has been active on Twitter in recent days responding to Tweets that Langerak should have been chosen by saying "but he wasn't, was he" or words to that effect. The arrogance of the untouchable Crawley goalkeeping cartel is breathtaking. It puts a huge stain on this squad.
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Nice work mate, makes the selection even MORE stupefying really.
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It think the only stat that was used was the number of games they participated in, in the qualification. But if this was the case why is taggart not in the team over cummings?
The only justification I can have for not having Langerak (and I don't agree with it), is that Arnie's game plan is to have a sweeper-keeper, and Vuk and Matty have very similar traits so Vuk will slot in well if Matt goes down. If this is the case they should have taken Langerak as the shot stopper over Redders, Australia owe no player anything, and based off talent Langerak should be there over Redmayne.
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+xIt think the only stat that was used was the number of games they participated in, in the qualification. But if this was the case why is taggart not in the team over cummings? The only justification I can have for not having Langerak (and I don't agree with it), is that Arnie's game plan is to have a sweeper-keeper, and Vuk and Matty have very similar traits so Vuk will slot in well if Matt goes down. If this is the case they should have taken Langerak as the shot stopper over Redders, Australia owe no player anything, and based off talent Langerak should be there over Redmayne. I would much prefer Langerak over Redmayne there. He deserves to be there. However, the story seems to be that Langerak was asked to come in to camp to 'cover' the three selected keepers. The expectation was that they were the three going and Langerak was asked to come into camp in case someone broke down before the World cup. Do I agree with that - absolutely not - you pick the best - and Mitch is easily in the best 3 at the moment if not the best on form. Mitch and Matty should have been the first two picked. Not relying on stats because strikers in Europe always seem to be more ruthless than those in Japan. As for the third my choice would be Danny - although I could argue for a younger keeper. Redmayne should not be there.
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+xIt think the only stat that was used was the number of games they participated in, in the qualification. But if this was the case why is taggart not in the team over cummings?The only justification I can have for not having Langerak (and I don't agree with it), is that Arnie's game plan is to have a sweeper-keeper, and Vuk and Matty have very similar traits so Vuk will slot in well if Matt goes down. If this is the case they should have taken Langerak as the shot stopper over Redders, Australia owe no player anything, and based off talent Langerak should be there over Redmayne. Not to mention him calling Volpato 3 times begging for a date :)
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Graham Arnold is an arsehole, pure and simple. Doesn't select his own son in law who no one would have had major problem with as although he is not playing regularly, he at least has the most pedigree as any defender in the squad. However, goes out of his way to be a di#k to Langerak even though he should be challenging for first team keeper.
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You forgot the most important stat.
Affiliations with GA at club and Olyroo level:
Ryan - 1
Vukovic - 2
Redmayne - 1
Langerak - 0
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+xYou forgot the most important stat.
Affiliations with GA at club and Olyroo level:
Ryan - 1
Vukovic - 2
Redmayne - 1
Langerak - 0
Redmayne is actually 2
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+x+xYou forgot the most important stat.
Affiliations with GA at club and Olyroo level:
Ryan - 1
Vukovic - 2
Redmayne - 1
Langerak - 0
Redmayne is actually 2 Yeah, spot on guys. According to AussieScout on Twitter: "All three of the selected goalkeepers - Andrew Redmayne, Maty Ryan and Danny Vuković - are Crawley protegés, from their time at Westfields Sports High, the Central Coast Mariners and Sydney FC respectively." For those who haven't heard, AussieScout also stated: "Socceroos goalkeeping coach John Crawley picked the Socceroos goalkeepers and called the goalkeepers to tell them if they had been selected. Crawley's call with Mitch Langerak was heated, with Langerak believed to have accused him of nepotism and dishonesty for not picking him."
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+x+x+xYou forgot the most important stat.
Affiliations with GA at club and Olyroo level:
Ryan - 1
Vukovic - 2
Redmayne - 1
Langerak - 0
Redmayne is actually 2 Yeah, spot on guys. According to AussieScout on Twitter: "All three of the selected goalkeepers - Andrew Redmayne, Maty Ryan and Danny Vuković - are Crawley protegés, from their time at Westfields Sports High, the Central Coast Mariners and Sydney FC respectively." For those who haven't heard, AussieScout also stated: "Socceroos goalkeeping coach John Crawley picked the Socceroos goalkeepers and called the goalkeepers to tell them if they had been selected. Crawley's call with Mitch Langerak was heated, with Langerak believed to have accused him of nepotism and dishonesty for not picking him." Crawley looked after all three at CCM
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+xGraham Arnold is an arsehole, pure and simple. Doesn't select his own son in law who no one would have had major problem with as although he is not playing regularly, he at least has the most pedigree as any defender in the squad. Disagree. Sains has struggled, by his own standards, for some time for the Socceroos. Moreover, he hasn't played a lot of club football over the last 7 years.
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+x+xGraham Arnold is an arsehole, pure and simple. Doesn't select his own son in law who no one would have had major problem with as although he is not playing regularly, he at least has the most pedigree as any defender in the squad. Disagree. Sains has struggled, by his own standards, for some time for the Socceroos. Moreover, he hasn't played a lot of club football over the last 7 years. Souttar hasn't played football in over a year, plus the only game Australia has had against a quality side in recent times Sains had a solid game whereas Souttar had an extremely poor one. So, what's the justification in picking him. Bailey Wright has barely played in the championship this year, Rowles has spent the last 3 months out injured and started 8 times in the J2, so why is Sains being singled out. Almost seems like some sort of masterplan from Arnold to divert attention off his other poor and biased squad decisions.
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+x+x+xGraham Arnold is an arsehole, pure and simple. Doesn't select his own son in law who no one would have had major problem with as although he is not playing regularly, he at least has the most pedigree as any defender in the squad. Disagree. Sains has struggled, by his own standards, for some time for the Socceroos. Moreover, he hasn't played a lot of club football over the last 7 years. Souttar hasn't played football in over a year, plus the only game Australia has had against a quality side in recent times Sains had a solid game whereas Souttar had an extremely poor one. So, what's the justification in picking him. Bailey Wright has barely played in the championship this year, Rowles has spent the last 3 months out injured and started 8 times in the J2, so why is Sains being singled out. Almost seems like some sort of masterplan from Arnold to divert attention off his other poor and biased squad decisions. Of all the conspiracy theories against Arnie this one is the the best. I mean the fact you have a problem with him not picking his son in law confirms no matter what he does people will have a problem with it.
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he will basically blame Crawly too if things dont go well, pretty much has already.
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Arnie ditched Djite and Burns before crashing out of the Olympics too.
He is a strange man and possible over thinks the psychological side
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He should definitely be our #1, let alone just one of the three.
The stats just make the decision even more embarrassing than the face value, which clearly doesn't pass the pub test at any level of football knowledge.
Here's some more stats from just watching highlights from our last two campaigns:
2018: 5 goals conceded. One good pen that's not saveable, two that maybe could have been stopped and 2 that would have definitely been stopped by a taller keeper/better shot stopper.
2014: 9 goals conceded. Three quality goals and six that should have been saved.
We would have made it out of group stages with Langerak, now or then. We simply haven't got the squad to outscore the soft goals that have been let in the past, and nothing that's happened in the last couple of years suggests Ryan is about to become better.
Happy to eat my hat and be proven wrong in a few weeks.
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+xHe should definitely be our #1, let alone just one of the three. The stats just make the decision even more embarrassing than the face value, which clearly doesn't pass the pub test at any level of football knowledge. Here's some more stats from just watching highlights from our last two campaigns: 2018: 5 goals conceded. One good pen that's not saveable, two that maybe could have been stopped and 2 that would have definitely been stopped by a taller keeper/better shot stopper. 2014: 9 goals conceded. Three quality goals and six that should have been saved.We would have made it out of group stages with Langerak, now or then. We simply haven't got the squad to outscore the soft goals that have been let in the past, and nothing that's happened in the last couple of years suggests Ryan is about to become better. Happy to eat my hat and be proven wrong in a few weeks. The majority of which were because Franjic and Davidson would not keep a straight line in defence. Get the defence right and we would have qualified for the next round.
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+x+xHe should definitely be our #1, let alone just one of the three. The stats just make the decision even more embarrassing than the face value, which clearly doesn't pass the pub test at any level of football knowledge. Here's some more stats from just watching highlights from our last two campaigns: 2018: 5 goals conceded. One good pen that's not saveable, two that maybe could have been stopped and 2 that would have definitely been stopped by a taller keeper/better shot stopper. 2014: 9 goals conceded. Three quality goals and six that should have been saved.We would have made it out of group stages with Langerak, now or then. We simply haven't got the squad to outscore the soft goals that have been let in the past, and nothing that's happened in the last couple of years suggests Ryan is about to become better. Happy to eat my hat and be proven wrong in a few weeks. The majority of which were because Franjic and Davidson would not keep a straight line in defence. Get the defence right and we would have qualified for the next round. Possibly but it was not a good tournament for Ryan. It's a credit to him that he ever even rose again after it really.
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Great stats work verrelli 👍 got to hate it when squads are selected by emotion rather than game performance facts
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+xI'm not on Twitter but would love if someone who is on there could share these stats with Vince Rugari, AussieScout etc to try to further put pressure on Arnold and Crawley for this pretty sure ‘sub007’ knows some journalists etc
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+xLangerak 2021/22 (Nagoya): 41 appearances 41 conceded 17 clean sheets 3,609 playing minutes 2020/21 (Nagoya): 54 appearances 42 conceded 31 clean sheets 4,860 playing minutes Vukovic 2021/22 (NEC Nijmegen): 4 appearances 4 conceded 1 clean sheets 360 playing minutes 2020/21 (Genk): 24 appearances 32 conceded 4 clean sheets 2,160 playing minutes Redmayne 2021/22 (Sydney): 22 appearances 30 conceded 6 clean sheets 1,980 playing minutes 2020/21 (Sydney): 25 appearances 23 conceded 9 clean sheets 2,250 playing minutes Ryan 2021/22 (Sociedad): 9 appearances 14 conceded 3 clean sheets 810 playing minutes 2020/21 (Brighton/Arsenal): 14 appearances 21 conceded 3 clean sheets 1,260 playing minutes Stats Over Last 2 Full Seasons: Total Minutes: Langerak 8,469 Redmayne 4,230 Vukovic 2,520 Ryan 2,070 Total Appearances Over Last 2 Full Seasons: Langerak 95 Redmayne 47 Vukovic 28 Ryan 23 Total Clean Sheets Over Last 2 Full Seasons: Langerak 48 Redmayne 15 Vukovic 5 Ryan 6 Total Goals Conceded Per Minutes Played Over Last 2 Full Seasons: Langerak: 1 goal conceded every 102 minutes Redmayne: 1 goal conceded every 80 minutes Vukovic: 1 goal conceded every 70 minutes Ryan: 1 goal conceded every 59 minutes Ratio of Clean Sheets to Games Played Over Last 2 Full Seasons: Langerak: Clean Sheet Every 2.0 Games Redmayne: Clean Sheet Every 3.1 Games Vukovic: Clean Sheet Every 5.6 Games Ryan: Clean Sheet Every 3.8 Games
The non-selection of Langerak is absolutely outrageous as he is statistically far and away our strongest goal keeper, and that includes Mat Ryan. Arnie absolving himself of all responsibility in the decision is pathetic and he is entirely complicit. Seems a prearranged decision by he and Crawley, knowing that Crawley never faces the media and so they're never in a position where they need to properly explain the decision. I'm not on Twitter but would love if someone who is on there could share these stats with Vince Rugari, AussieScout etc to try to further put pressure on Arnold and Crawley for this reprehensible decision. Langerak has been publicly humiliated by being asked to retract his retirement, only to not be chosen in the squad at all, when really, he should be in the first 11 without question. It is garbage that he was approached in case one of the other 3 got injured, as has been suggested. They wouldn't ask someone to come out of retirement to be a 4th choice keeper, and neither would Langerak accept such a proposition. The whole thing has been handled terribly. It is nepotism at its absolute worst, with Crawley looking after his "boys". I hear that Vukovic has been active on Twitter in recent days responding to Tweets that Langerak should have been chosen by saying "but he wasn't, was he" or words to that effect. The arrogance of the untouchable Crawley goalkeeping cartel is breathtaking. It puts a huge stain on this squad.
Thanks for compiling and posting these stats, Verrelli. No doubt Mitch is a consummate shot stopper. He has also had a lot of game time. However, a modern keeper needs to play as a sweeper for most modern teams. S/he needs to be proactive in build ups from the back. He could have improved, but Langerak isn't as good as some other Aussie keepers at playing the ball with his feet on the deck and sweeping. So essentially, he is a more reactive keeper. Another part of a keeper's skill set is commanding the pen box. Having said this, Arnie chased Langerak. I'd like to know his rationale for leaving him out.
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+xLangerak 2021/22 (Nagoya): 41 appearances 41 conceded 17 clean sheets 3,609 playing minutes 2020/21 (Nagoya): 54 appearances 42 conceded 31 clean sheets 4,860 playing minutes Vukovic 2021/22 (NEC Nijmegen): 4 appearances 4 conceded 1 clean sheets 360 playing minutes 2020/21 (Genk): 24 appearances 32 conceded 4 clean sheets 2,160 playing minutes Redmayne 2021/22 (Sydney): 22 appearances 30 conceded 6 clean sheets 1,980 playing minutes 2020/21 (Sydney): 25 appearances 23 conceded 9 clean sheets 2,250 playing minutes Ryan 2021/22 (Sociedad): 9 appearances 14 conceded 3 clean sheets 810 playing minutes 2020/21 (Brighton/Arsenal): 14 appearances 21 conceded 3 clean sheets 1,260 playing minutes Stats Over Last 2 Full Seasons: Total Minutes: Langerak 8,469 Redmayne 4,230 Vukovic 2,520 Ryan 2,070 Total Appearances Over Last 2 Full Seasons: Langerak 95 Redmayne 47 Vukovic 28 Ryan 23 Total Clean Sheets Over Last 2 Full Seasons: Langerak 48 Redmayne 15 Vukovic 5 Ryan 6 Total Goals Conceded Per Minutes Played Over Last 2 Full Seasons: Langerak: 1 goal conceded every 102 minutes Redmayne: 1 goal conceded every 80 minutes Vukovic: 1 goal conceded every 70 minutes Ryan: 1 goal conceded every 59 minutes Ratio of Clean Sheets to Games Played Over Last 2 Full Seasons: Langerak: Clean Sheet Every 2.0 Games Redmayne: Clean Sheet Every 3.1 Games Vukovic: Clean Sheet Every 5.6 Games Ryan: Clean Sheet Every 3.8 Games
The non-selection of Langerak is absolutely outrageous as he is statistically far and away our strongest goal keeper, and that includes Mat Ryan. Arnie absolving himself of all responsibility in the decision is pathetic and he is entirely complicit. Seems a prearranged decision by he and Crawley, knowing that Crawley never faces the media and so they're never in a position where they need to properly explain the decision. I'm not on Twitter but would love if someone who is on there could share these stats with Vince Rugari, AussieScout etc to try to further put pressure on Arnold and Crawley for this reprehensible decision. Langerak has been publicly humiliated by being asked to retract his retirement, only to not be chosen in the squad at all, when really, he should be in the first 11 without question. It is garbage that he was approached in case one of the other 3 got injured, as has been suggested. They wouldn't ask someone to come out of retirement to be a 4th choice keeper, and neither would Langerak accept such a proposition. The whole thing has been handled terribly. It is nepotism at its absolute worst, with Crawley looking after his "boys". I hear that Vukovic has been active on Twitter in recent days responding to Tweets that Langerak should have been chosen by saying "but he wasn't, was he" or words to that effect. The arrogance of the untouchable Crawley goalkeeping cartel is breathtaking. It puts a huge stain on this squad.
The only possible conclusion is that Crawley and Arnold have selected mates. Disgraceful.
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Look at Vukovic tweet.
It looks like this was because of mates thing. They had a jobs for the boys group
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Vukovic’s tweet is simply highlighting how he never said no to the Socceroos, whilst others did. I am so proud of our country for not selecting a player who retired during years of qualification slog, only to make himself available after we’d qualified. I hope Langerak never plays for the Roos again with that attitude - I feel the same towards Volpato.
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I don’t have a problem with the Langerak omission. In my view there are parallels between him and Rogic. Do you think Rogic didn’t get selected because he wasn’t match fit enough? No, it’s because he ditched the Socceroos at the most critical point of qualifying, without substantiating his reasons other than being “personal”. It sounds like him and Arnold had a big falling out over something. Looking back at fixtures earlier this year maybe he was upset about being substituted a couple of times.
Although Langerak situation is a little bit different, in that he formally returned and then formally came back, he didn’t do the hard graft, sacrifices and give unwavering loyalty to the NT like Vukovic did. When there is close competition for spots then that is when the non tangibles like loyalty, sacrifice etc make a difference. Some will argue that there is no close competition and that Langerak is clearly the better keeper, but then the same argument would also pertain to Rogic. Not saying that Langerak didn’t deserve to go, but there are others who deserved to go more than him because over the 3-4 years of qualifying they gave more to the cause.
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+xI don’t have a problem with the Langerak omission. In my view there are parallels between him and Rogic. Do you think Rogic didn’t get selected because he wasn’t match fit enough? No, it’s because he ditched the Socceroos at the most critical point of qualifying, without substantiating his reasons other than being “personal”. It sounds like him and Arnold had a big falling out over something. Looking back at fixtures earlier this year maybe he was upset about being substituted a couple of times. Although Langerak situation is a little bit different, in that he formally returned and then formally came back, he didn’t do the hard graft, sacrifices and give unwavering loyalty to the NT like Vukovic did. When there is close competition for spots then that is when the non tangibles like loyalty, sacrifice etc make a difference. Some will argue that there is no close competition and that Langerak is clearly the better keeper, but then the same argument would also pertain to Rogic. Not saying that Langerak didn’t deserve to go, but there are others who deserved to go more than him because over the 3-4 years of qualifying they gave more to the cause. Langerak did the travel and sat on the bench for the Socceroo's for 8 years for a total of 8 games without getting a look in because Ryan had to be first keeper, even at times when Ryan had played poorly or not been playing regular for his club, he well and truly paid his bench warming dues, actually a lot more than either Vuka or Redmayne, so this argument is complete bullshit.
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+x+xI don’t have a problem with the Langerak omission. In my view there are parallels between him and Rogic. Do you think Rogic didn’t get selected because he wasn’t match fit enough? No, it’s because he ditched the Socceroos at the most critical point of qualifying, without substantiating his reasons other than being “personal”. It sounds like him and Arnold had a big falling out over something. Looking back at fixtures earlier this year maybe he was upset about being substituted a couple of times. Although Langerak situation is a little bit different, in that he formally returned and then formally came back, he didn’t do the hard graft, sacrifices and give unwavering loyalty to the NT like Vukovic did. When there is close competition for spots then that is when the non tangibles like loyalty, sacrifice etc make a difference. Some will argue that there is no close competition and that Langerak is clearly the better keeper, but then the same argument would also pertain to Rogic. Not saying that Langerak didn’t deserve to go, but there are others who deserved to go more than him because over the 3-4 years of qualifying they gave more to the cause. Langerak did the travel and sat on the bench for the Socceroo's for 8 years for a total of 8 games without getting a look in because Ryan had to be first keeper, even at times when Ryan had played poorly or not been playing regular for his club, he well and truly paid his bench warming dues, actually a lot more than either Vuka or Redmayne, so this argument is complete bullshit.
You could make the same argument for Rogic, gave
blood, sweat, tears blah blah for years and deserved his spot. Yet the thing he did at the end undid al the previous goodwill he had built up.
Although not exactly the same, Langerak also “walked away” from the Roos, because he didn’t want to be away from family during the pandemic, whilst others sacrificed time with family in service of the Roos. If you dont think that’s not going to have an affect on team selection then you’re naive, especially as Langerak only announced his return after we qualified.
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+x+x+xI don’t have a problem with the Langerak omission. In my view there are parallels between him and Rogic. Do you think Rogic didn’t get selected because he wasn’t match fit enough? No, it’s because he ditched the Socceroos at the most critical point of qualifying, without substantiating his reasons other than being “personal”. It sounds like him and Arnold had a big falling out over something. Looking back at fixtures earlier this year maybe he was upset about being substituted a couple of times. Although Langerak situation is a little bit different, in that he formally returned and then formally came back, he didn’t do the hard graft, sacrifices and give unwavering loyalty to the NT like Vukovic did. When there is close competition for spots then that is when the non tangibles like loyalty, sacrifice etc make a difference. Some will argue that there is no close competition and that Langerak is clearly the better keeper, but then the same argument would also pertain to Rogic. Not saying that Langerak didn’t deserve to go, but there are others who deserved to go more than him because over the 3-4 years of qualifying they gave more to the cause. Langerak did the travel and sat on the bench for the Socceroo's for 8 years for a total of 8 games without getting a look in because Ryan had to be first keeper, even at times when Ryan had played poorly or not been playing regular for his club, he well and truly paid his bench warming dues, actually a lot more than either Vuka or Redmayne, so this argument is complete bullshit.
You could make the same argument for Rogic, gave
blood, sweat, tears blah blah for years and deserved his spot. Yet the thing he did at the end undid al the previous goodwill he had built up.
Although not exactly the same, Langerak also “walked away” from the Roos, because he didn’t want to be away from family during the pandemic, whilst others sacrificed time with family in service of the Roos. If you dont think that’s not going to have an affect on team selection then you’re naive, especially as Langerak only announced his return after we qualified. Wasn't it also far more complicated for him to re-enter Japan as a non citizen during the pandemic. It wasn't as simple as entering, isolating and then going home, I thought the risk was that he would have to return to Australia and apply to gain entry to Japan which could take weeks and or month or refusal. I know a family who the father is Japan but wife and children are all born in Australia and although they all work in Japan only the husband could easily enter the country. There's an arguement that all 3 going to the world cup couldn't missed out on the squad if arnie and Crawley weren't in charge.
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+x+x+x+x[quote]I don’t have a problem with the Langerak omission. In my view there are parallels between him and Rogic. Do you think Rogic didn’t get selected because he wasn’t match fit enough? No, it’s because he ditched the Socceroos at the most critical point of qualifying, without substantiating his reasons other than being “personal”. It sounds like him and Arnold had a big falling out over something. Looking back at fixtures earlier this year maybe he was upset about being substituted a couple of times. Although Langerak situation is a little bit different, in that he formally returned and then formally came back, he didn’t do the hard graft, sacrifices and give unwavering loyalty to the NT like Vukovic did. When there is close competition for spots then that is when the non tangibles like loyalty, sacrifice etc make a difference. Some will argue that there is no close competition and that Langerak is clearly the better keeper, but then the same argument would also pertain to Rogic. Not saying that Langerak didn’t deserve to go, but there are others who deserved to go more than him because over the 3-4 years of qualifying they gave more to the cause. Langerak did the travel and sat on the bench for the Socceroo's for 8 years for a total of 8 games without getting a look in because Ryan had to be first keeper, even at times when Ryan had played poorly or not been playing regular for his club, he well and truly paid his bench warming dues, actually a lot more than either Vuka or Redmayne, so this argument is complete bullshit.
You could make the same argument for Rogic, gave
blood, sweat, tears blah blah for years and deserved his spot. Yet the thing he did at the end undid al the previous goodwill he had built up.
Although not exactly the same, Langerak also “walked away” from the Roos, because he didn’t want to be away from family during the pandemic, whilst others sacrificed time with family in service of the Roos. If you dont think that’s not going to have an affect on team selection then you’re naive, especially as Langerak only announced his return after we qualified. Wasn't it also far more complicated for him to re-enter Japan as a non citizen during the pandemic. It wasn't as simple as entering, isolating and then going home, I thought the risk was that he would have to return to Australia and apply to gain entry to Japan which could take weeks and or month or refusal. I know a family who the father is Japan but wife and children are all born in Australia and although they all work in Japan only the husband could easily enter the country. The problem with this argument is Taggart was in the same boat and yet he made himself available to play whenever he was chosen. Langers made a personal choice based on his family which is fair enough but at the end of the day you just can’t walk out on the Socceroos and then one day decide to walk back into a World Cup cup squad. He should have made himself available again as soon as Japan relaxed the border rules to give himself a better chance, rather than waiting to see if we qualified.
I hate Arnold but this was the right call. As was dumping Rogic.
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+x+x+x+x+x[quote]I don’t have a problem with the Langerak omission. In my view there are parallels between him and Rogic. Do you think Rogic didn’t get selected because he wasn’t match fit enough? No, it’s because he ditched the Socceroos at the most critical point of qualifying, without substantiating his reasons other than being “personal”. It sounds like him and Arnold had a big falling out over something. Looking back at fixtures earlier this year maybe he was upset about being substituted a couple of times. Although Langerak situation is a little bit different, in that he formally returned and then formally came back, he didn’t do the hard graft, sacrifices and give unwavering loyalty to the NT like Vukovic did. When there is close competition for spots then that is when the non tangibles like loyalty, sacrifice etc make a difference. Some will argue that there is no close competition and that Langerak is clearly the better keeper, but then the same argument would also pertain to Rogic. Not saying that Langerak didn’t deserve to go, but there are others who deserved to go more than him because over the 3-4 years of qualifying they gave more to the cause. Langerak did the travel and sat on the bench for the Socceroo's for 8 years for a total of 8 games without getting a look in because Ryan had to be first keeper, even at times when Ryan had played poorly or not been playing regular for his club, he well and truly paid his bench warming dues, actually a lot more than either Vuka or Redmayne, so this argument is complete bullshit.
You could make the same argument for Rogic, gave
blood, sweat, tears blah blah for years and deserved his spot. Yet the thing he did at the end undid al the previous goodwill he had built up.
Although not exactly the same, Langerak also “walked away” from the Roos, because he didn’t want to be away from family during the pandemic, whilst others sacrificed time with family in service of the Roos. If you dont think that’s not going to have an affect on team selection then you’re naive, especially as Langerak only announced his return after we qualified. Wasn't it also far more complicated for him to re-enter Japan as a non citizen during the pandemic. It wasn't as simple as entering, isolating and then going home, I thought the risk was that he would have to return to Australia and apply to gain entry to Japan which could take weeks and or month or refusal. I know a family who the father is Japan but wife and children are all born in Australia and although they all work in Japan only the husband could easily enter the country. The problem with this argument is Taggart was in the same boat and yet he made himself available to play whenever he was chosen. Langers made a personal choice based on his family which is fair enough but at the end of the day you just can’t walk out on the Socceroos and then one day decide to walk back into a World Cup cup squad. He should have made himself available again as soon as Japan relaxed the border rules to give himself a better chance, rather than waiting to see if we qualified.
I hate Arnold but this was the right call. As was dumping Rogic. I'd wait until after the World Cup.
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+x+xI don’t have a problem with the Langerak omission. In my view there are parallels between him and Rogic. Do you think Rogic didn’t get selected because he wasn’t match fit enough? No, it’s because he ditched the Socceroos at the most critical point of qualifying, without substantiating his reasons other than being “personal”. It sounds like him and Arnold had a big falling out over something. Looking back at fixtures earlier this year maybe he was upset about being substituted a couple of times. Although Langerak situation is a little bit different, in that he formally returned and then formally came back, he didn’t do the hard graft, sacrifices and give unwavering loyalty to the NT like Vukovic did. When there is close competition for spots then that is when the non tangibles like loyalty, sacrifice etc make a difference. Some will argue that there is no close competition and that Langerak is clearly the better keeper, but then the same argument would also pertain to Rogic. Not saying that Langerak didn’t deserve to go, but there are others who deserved to go more than him because over the 3-4 years of qualifying they gave more to the cause. Langerak did the travel and sat on the bench for the Socceroo's for 8 years for a total of 8 games without getting a look in because Ryan had to be first keeper, even at times when Ryan had played poorly or not been playing regular for his club, he well and truly paid his bench warming dues, actually a lot more than either Vuka or Redmayne, so this argument is complete bullshit. 100% agree!!
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+xSome will argue that there is no close competition and that Langerak is clearly the better keeper, but then the same argument would also pertain to Rogic. Not saying that Langerak didn’t deserve to go, but there are others who deserved to go more than him because over the 3-4 years of qualifying they gave more to the cause. Rogic non-selection is weird and unfortunate but can be justified, sort of. He disappeared for months with no explanation, seemingly ignored Arnold's contact attempts, has barely played in a long time, and most crucially, we have decent cover in his position. None of these things apply to Langerak. He is clearly our best keeper right now and it's not even close.
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+x+xSome will argue that there is no close competition and that Langerak is clearly the better keeper, but then the same argument would also pertain to Rogic. Not saying that Langerak didn’t deserve to go, but there are others who deserved to go more than him because over the 3-4 years of qualifying they gave more to the cause. Rogic non-selection is weird and unfortunate but can be justified, sort of. He disappeared for months with no explanation, seemingly ignored Arnold's contact attempts, has barely played in a long time, and most crucially, we have decent cover in his position. None of these things apply to Langerak. He is clearly our best keeper right now and it's not even close. Not true. Ryan is our best keeper and has played at the very highest level including the Premier league. You could argue that Langerak is our most in form keeper but it’s all relative. Although he keeps lots of clean sheets he plays in a league where keepers are rarely aerially tested and the J league is low scoring compared to other leagues. The type of players and teams we will face in the WC will be the type of players and teams Ryan has faced in his career, whreas It will be a new experience for Langerak. The fawning over Langerak is a bit ridiculous imo.
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+x+x+xSome will argue that there is no close competition and that Langerak is clearly the better keeper, but then the same argument would also pertain to Rogic. Not saying that Langerak didn’t deserve to go, but there are others who deserved to go more than him because over the 3-4 years of qualifying they gave more to the cause. Rogic non-selection is weird and unfortunate but can be justified, sort of. He disappeared for months with no explanation, seemingly ignored Arnold's contact attempts, has barely played in a long time, and most crucially, we have decent cover in his position. None of these things apply to Langerak. He is clearly our best keeper right now and it's not even close. Not true. Ryan is our best keeper and has played at the very highest level including the Premier league. You could argue that Langerak is our most in form keeper but it’s all relative. Although he keeps lots of clean sheets he plays in a league where keepers are rarely aerially tested and the J league is low scoring compared to other leagues. The type of players and teams we will face in the WC will be the type of players and teams Ryan has faced in his career, whreas It will be a new experience for Langerak. The fawning over Langerak is a bit ridiculous imo. I mean, Langerak played in Bundesliga for years. Admittedly mostly on the bench, but it's absurd to paint him as some deer in the headlights on the world stage. Plus he's currently the best keeper in a tougher league than Denmark, where Maty once again warms the bench. At first I thought it was so unfair to bench Ryan at Brighton, but now I'm starting to get genuinely concerned about his career trajectory. I don't know if we overrated him or he has declined, but he seems to be a perennial reserve keeper wherever he goes now. He was having a mediocre season when benched by Potter and is finding it very hard to bounce back. He really should be doing better in bloody Denmark. I'm starting to think that he's not the top keeper I believed him to be.
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+x+x+x+xSome will argue that there is no close competition and that Langerak is clearly the better keeper, but then the same argument would also pertain to Rogic. Not saying that Langerak didn’t deserve to go, but there are others who deserved to go more than him because over the 3-4 years of qualifying they gave more to the cause. Rogic non-selection is weird and unfortunate but can be justified, sort of. He disappeared for months with no explanation, seemingly ignored Arnold's contact attempts, has barely played in a long time, and most crucially, we have decent cover in his position. None of these things apply to Langerak. He is clearly our best keeper right now and it's not even close. Not true. Ryan is our best keeper and has played at the very highest level including the Premier league. You could argue that Langerak is our most in form keeper but it’s all relative. Although he keeps lots of clean sheets he plays in a league where keepers are rarely aerially tested and the J league is low scoring compared to other leagues. The type of players and teams we will face in the WC will be the type of players and teams Ryan has faced in his career, whreas It will be a new experience for Langerak. The fawning over Langerak is a bit ridiculous imo. I mean, Langerak played in Bundesliga for years. Admittedly mostly on the bench, but it's absurd to paint him as some deer in the headlights on the world stage. Plus he's currently the best keeper in a tougher league than Denmark, where Maty once again warms the bench. At first I thought it was so unfair to bench Ryan at Brighton, but now I'm starting to get genuinely concerned about his career trajectory. I don't know if we overrated him or he has declined, but he seems to be a perennial reserve keeper wherever he goes now. He was having a mediocre season when benched by Potter and is finding it very hard to bounce back. He really should be doing better in bloody Denmark. I'm starting to think that he's not the top keeper I believed him to be. Both are true.
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+xVukovic’s tweet is simply highlighting how he never said no to the Socceroos, whilst others did. I am so proud of our country for not selecting a player who retired during years of qualification slog, only to make himself available after we’d qualified. I hope Langerak never plays for the Roos again with that attitude - I feel the same towards Volpato. He was asked to reconsider his retirement. And inferior goalkeepers have now been chosen for politics.
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It's an inexcusable and unjustifiable decision. If it really was about sweeper keepers, then why take Redmayne? The only thing that would kind of makes sense is if Arnold was offended by Langerak's retirement during qualification and is refusing to take him on principle. But then why bother convincing him to come back in the first place? There's just no logic to it at all. It's possible that something has gone on behind the scenes that we don't know about, but it makes Arnold seem like a true moron.
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Langerak should be number 1. Ridiculous he’s not in the squad.
People talk about sweeper keepers like it’s more important than shot saving, it’s not. Every game Ryan plays against quality teams proves this as we usually lose to some soft goals. For me Langerak in goal against France any day of the week.
Plus why are we taking 3 over 30 GKs? Should’ve been Langerak no.1 Ryan no.2 younger gk (possibly Gauci) no.3
Disgraceful Arnie disclosed he didn’t make the GK selection personally, already setting up his fall guy.
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+xLangerak should be number 1. Ridiculous he’s not in the squad. People talk about sweeper keepers like it’s more important than shot saving, it’s not. Every game Ryan plays against quality teams proves this as we usually lose to some soft goals. For me Langerak in goal against France any day of the week. Plus why are we taking 3 over 30 GKs? Should’ve been Langerak no.1 Ryan no.2 younger gk (possibly Gauci) no.3 Disgraceful Arnie disclosed he didn’t make the GK selection personally, already setting up his fall guy. Spot on. I had Langerak, Ryan and Gauci in the squad I would have chosen. Each of these 3 guys won't be around in 4 years. Totally agree that the no. 3 should have been Gauci or whoever is considered the most likely to be GK in 2026.
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+x+xLangerak should be number 1. Ridiculous he’s not in the squad. People talk about sweeper keepers like it’s more important than shot saving, it’s not. Every game Ryan plays against quality teams proves this as we usually lose to some soft goals. For me Langerak in goal against France any day of the week. Plus why are we taking 3 over 30 GKs? Should’ve been Langerak no.1 Ryan no.2 younger gk (possibly Gauci) no.3 Disgraceful Arnie disclosed he didn’t make the GK selection personally, already setting up his fall guy. Spot on. I had Langerak, Ryan and Gauci in the squad I would have chosen. Each of these 3 guys won't be around in 4 years. Totally agree that the no. 3 should have been Gauci or whoever is considered the most likely to be GK in 2026. I would have had Langerak, Ryan and Vukovic/Gauci. After the World Cup we need to focus on 2026. Langerak, Vukovic and Redmayne will long be retired by 2026 and Ryan will be 34. That's why the case is good for Gauci now - as for the Asian Cup the second and third keeper will need to be people that can step up and challenge and/or then replace Maty. Thomas is the same age as Maty but apart from Gauci I'm not convinced by the next batch of keepers after that.
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It's instructive that literally no one agrees with Langerak's non-selection. Even the 2 die hard Arnie fanboys in here try to deflect attention away from it rather than actually defending the decision. It's the dumbest call ever (particularly as it sounds like Ryan is injured) and has put a real dampener on the squad announcement.
I had some hope for the WC. I thought we might get lucky and was cheering for Arnie to prove the boo boys wrong. Instead I now realise the boo boys were right all along. Arnie has turned out to be a complete idiot. My faith is now zero.
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+xIt's instructive that literally no one agrees with Langerak's non-selection. Even the 2 die hard Arnie fanboys in here try to deflect attention away from it rather than actually defending the decision. It's the dumbest call ever (particularly as it sounds like Ryan is injured) and has put a real dampener on the squad announcement.
How many of those people calling for Langerak's selection have current pro playing experience, recent high level goalkeeper experience or current semi-pro/pro coaching training? Just because of a lot of people on a football forum, who don't coach football, and haven't trained in coaching, call for the same thing, means they are correct. Having said that, I'm still surprised Langerak has not been selected? That is after Arnie chased him to return.
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+x+xIt's instructive that literally no one agrees with Langerak's non-selection. Even the 2 die hard Arnie fanboys in here try to deflect attention away from it rather than actually defending the decision. It's the dumbest call ever (particularly as it sounds like Ryan is injured) and has put a real dampener on the squad announcement.
How many of those people calling for Langerak's selection have current pro playing experience, recent high level goalkeeper experience or current semi-pro/pro coaching training? Just because of a lot of people on a football forum, who don't coach football, and haven't trained in coaching, call for the same thing, means they are correct. Having said that, I'm still surprised Langerak has not been selected? That is after Arnie chased him to return. You do realise this football forums are for poeple stating their opinion, right?
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+x+xIt's instructive that literally no one agrees with Langerak's non-selection. Even the 2 die hard Arnie fanboys in here try to deflect attention away from it rather than actually defending the decision. It's the dumbest call ever (particularly as it sounds like Ryan is injured) and has put a real dampener on the squad announcement.
How many of those people calling for Langerak's selection have current pro playing experience, recent high level goalkeeper experience or current semi-pro/pro coaching training? Just because of a lot of people on a football forum, who don't coach football, and haven't trained in coaching, call for the same thing, means they are correct. Having said that, I'm still surprised Langerak has not been selected? That is after Arnie chased him to return. Mitch plays at a higher level, if Vuko or Redmayne were superior they also would be at a higher level. Not taking a younger 3rd GK for the experience is criminal.
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+xIt's instructive that literally no one agrees with Langerak's non-selection. I do. I’m proud of the decision. He refused national team call-ups. Fuck him. He and Volpato can go and create a little anti-Australia groupchat and bitch all they want about the Socceroos. We should only want players who would die for the shirt and never say no to their country.
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+x+xIt's instructive that literally no one agrees with Langerak's non-selection. I do. I’m proud of the decision. He refused national team call-ups. Fuck him. He and Volpato can go and create a little anti-Australia groupchat and bitch all they want about the Socceroos. We should only want players who would die for the shirt and never say no to their country. OK, so why did Arnold go out of his way to coax him out of retirement only to shaft him like this? That just seems like a cruel and vindictive stunt now. Like he went out of his way to let him down just to show everyone who the boss is. It makes Arnie look like a sociopath. I could even understand if he had said from the start that Langerak would not be considered due to a lack of loyalty, but no. He brought him out of retirement, flew him here to sit on the bench for the friendlies, and then fucked him off him while blaming it on a goalkeeping coach. I'm sorry, that's not OK. And Langerak is hardly like Volpato or even Rogic. At least he had a reasonable excuse. Japan's covid rules meant that it genuinely would have been tougher on him than just about anyone else to travel at the time. Maybe he didn't have to retire, but it was somewhat understandable.
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+x+x+xIt's instructive that literally no one agrees with Langerak's non-selection. I do. I’m proud of the decision. He refused national team call-ups. Fuck him. He and Volpato can go and create a little anti-Australia groupchat and bitch all they want about the Socceroos. We should only want players who would die for the shirt and never say no to their country. He brought him out of retirement, flew him here to sit on the bench for the friendlies, and then fucked him off him while blaming it on a goalkeeping coach. I'm sorry, that's not OK. Does it not seem to everyone else that maybe there was some bad attitude or bad blood during that last camp that maybe caused this non-selection? These things do happen in teams full of egos and if the coaches decided that team harmony was more important than the reserve keeper then they made the right call. It might be just speculation but nobody knows the truth and it seems highly likely to me
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+x+xIt's instructive that literally no one agrees with Langerak's non-selection. I do. I’m proud of the decision. He refused national team call-ups. Fuck him. He and Volpato can go and create a little anti-Australia groupchat and bitch all they want about the Socceroos. We should only want players who would die for the shirt and never say no to their country. Quelle surprise! "Die for the shirt" (I realise that you probably didn't mean that literally but jeez). Those words are telling, I think. I'm 95% sure that Langerak has done more for Australian football than you have. By chance, do you dislike Langerak because he poses a threat to Ryan's place in goal? Or did pose a threat.
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+x+x+xIt's instructive that literally no one agrees with Langerak's non-selection. I do. I’m proud of the decision. He refused national team call-ups. Fuck him. He and Volpato can go and create a little anti-Australia groupchat and bitch all they want about the Socceroos. We should only want players who would die for the shirt and never say no to their country. Quelle surprise! "Die for the shirt" (I realise that you probably didn't mean that literally but jeez). Those words are telling, I think. I'm 95% sure that Langerak has done more for Australian football than you have. By chance, do you dislike Langerak because he poses a threat to Ryan's place in goal? Or did pose a threat. Those last two lines from me were a bit much. Sorry if they were too rough, Bowden. Your opinion is valid and is shared by lots of people in the Australian football community. Totally fine to express it. Hopefully, through discussions such as these we all learn to consider the opinions and perspectives of others. I think that improves us. But yeah, I'll try to be more civil with my words.
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+x+x+x+xIt's instructive that literally no one agrees with Langerak's non-selection. I do. I’m proud of the decision. He refused national team call-ups. Fuck him. He and Volpato can go and create a little anti-Australia groupchat and bitch all they want about the Socceroos. We should only want players who would die for the shirt and never say no to their country. Quelle surprise! "Die for the shirt" (I realise that you probably didn't mean that literally but jeez). Those words are telling, I think. I'm 95% sure that Langerak has done more for Australian football than you have. By chance, do you dislike Langerak because he poses a threat to Ryan's place in goal? Or did pose a threat. Those last two lines from me were a bit much. Sorry if they were too rough, Bowden. Your opinion is valid and is shared by lots of people in the Australian football community. Totally fine to express it. Hopefully, through discussions such as these we all learn to consider the opinions and perspectives of others. I think that improves us. But yeah, I'll try to be more civil with my words. You’re all good man, no worries. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Fwiw, Langerak being able to challenge for Maty’s position has nothing to do with it, as I’m certain Maty would have started all the matches anyway as he’s proven to be the better keeper at NT level over many years. This is about my dislike of the shirt being devalued. You’ll see plenty of my previous posts sharing similar sentiment towards Rogic, Leckie, Maclaren and Volpato for their similar actions. Imo representing your country should be the highest honour that you would never say no to. That purity is why I’m such a huge fan of national team football ahead of club football.
Everyone has their opinions, and this is mine. I hate seeing national teams treated like this by players.
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+x+x+x+x+xIt's instructive that literally no one agrees with Langerak's non-selection. I do. I’m proud of the decision. He refused national team call-ups. Fuck him. He and Volpato can go and create a little anti-Australia groupchat and bitch all they want about the Socceroos. We should only want players who would die for the shirt and never say no to their country. Quelle surprise! "Die for the shirt" (I realise that you probably didn't mean that literally but jeez). Those words are telling, I think. I'm 95% sure that Langerak has done more for Australian football than you have. By chance, do you dislike Langerak because he poses a threat to Ryan's place in goal? Or did pose a threat. Those last two lines from me were a bit much. Sorry if they were too rough, Bowden. Your opinion is valid and is shared by lots of people in the Australian football community. Totally fine to express it. Hopefully, through discussions such as these we all learn to consider the opinions and perspectives of others. I think that improves us. But yeah, I'll try to be more civil with my words. You’re all good man, no worries. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. ...
Everyone has their opinions, and this is mine. I hate seeing national teams treated like this by players. Cheers. I'm with you on looking at NT football as something that shouldn't be devalued in the way in the way that club football can be. The question is whether picking the lads who, for whatever (compelling) reason turned down caps, devalues it. +x+x+x+x+xIt's instructive that literally no one agrees with Langerak's non-selection. I do. I’m proud of the decision. He refused national team call-ups. Fuck him. He and Volpato can go and create a little anti-Australia groupchat and bitch all they want about the Socceroos. We should only want players who would die for the shirt and never say no to their country. Quelle surprise! "Die for the shirt" (I realise that you probably didn't mean that literally but jeez). Those words are telling, I think. I'm 95% sure that Langerak has done more for Australian football than you have. By chance, do you dislike Langerak because he poses a threat to Ryan's place in goal? Or did pose a threat. Those last two lines from me were a bit much. Sorry if they were too rough, Bowden. Your opinion is valid and is shared by lots of people in the Australian football community. Totally fine to express it. Hopefully, through discussions such as these we all learn to consider the opinions and perspectives of others. I think that improves us. But yeah, I'll try to be more civil with my words. Fwiw, Langerak being able to challenge for Maty’s position has nothing to do with it, as I’m certain Maty would have started all the matches anyway as he’s proven to be the better keeper at NT level over many years. This is about my dislike of the shirt being devalued. I would argue that Maty is the only keeper who has been allowed to be tested at NT level. It has essentially been a closed shop for goodness knows how long. Every other position has allowed for a degree of comparison. But in competitive NT matches for ages, only one goalkeeper has been given the gloves. So we'll never actually know if he's the best goalkeeper. The notion of Maty Ryan as the best goalkeeper is kind of like a footballing equivalent of a non-falsifiable hypothesis. Shaky science or what? If anything, the hypothesis looks all the more fragile. Not least because Maty usually ends up the Number 2 goalkeeper at just about every club he moves to. At 184cm, a goalkeeper has to have those shot-stopping skills to compensate their lack of height (like Fabien Barthez). Meanwhile, Mitch Langerak is 8cm taller and is actually performing for his club side.
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+xI would argue that Maty is the only keeper who has been allowed to be tested at NT level. It has essentially been a closed shop for goodness knows how long.Every other position has allowed for a degree of comparison. But in competitive NT matches for ages, only one goalkeeper has been given the gloves. So we'll never actually know if he's the best goalkeeper. It’s a fair statement, but it also raises the question of why. Why has every single national team manager for the past decade continued to pick Maty over Langerak, and not given Langerak as many games as some would have liked? Holger Osieck. Ange Postecoglou. Bert van Marwijk. Graham Arnold.
All of these managers have consistently not wanted Langerak to be playing matches for their teams.
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+x+xI would argue that Maty is the only keeper who has been allowed to be tested at NT level. It has essentially been a closed shop for goodness knows how long.Every other position has allowed for a degree of comparison. But in competitive NT matches for ages, only one goalkeeper has been given the gloves. So we'll never actually know if he's the best goalkeeper. It’s a fair statement, but it also raises the question of why. Why has every single national team manager for the past decade continued to pick Maty over Langerak, and not given Langerak as many games as some would have liked? Holger Osieck. Ange Postecoglou. Bert van Marwijk. Graham Arnold.
All of these managers have consistently not wanted Langerak to be playing matches for their teams. Strong argument, Bowden. Four Socceroo coaches (did Holger?) have preferred Ryan.
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+x+xI would argue that Maty is the only keeper who has been allowed to be tested at NT level. It has essentially been a closed shop for goodness knows how long.Every other position has allowed for a degree of comparison. But in competitive NT matches for ages, only one goalkeeper has been given the gloves. So we'll never actually know if he's the best goalkeeper. It’s a fair statement, but it also raises the question of why. Why has every single national team manager for the past decade continued to pick Maty over Langerak, and not given Langerak as many games as some would have liked? Holger Osieck. Ange Postecoglou. Bert van Marwijk. Graham Arnold.
All of these managers have consistently not wanted Langerak to be playing matches for their teams. I think the answer to that in the main is that Langerak didn't play much football before leaving Australia and then not much in Europe to develop or demonstrate his capabilities and when he was played in the Socceroos he generally didn't show much. It wasn't until he went to Japan and got to play regularly that he developed but by then the Socceroos managers had made up their minds that he didn't offer anything more than Ryan.
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+x+xI would argue that Maty is the only keeper who has been allowed to be tested at NT level. It has essentially been a closed shop for goodness knows how long.Every other position has allowed for a degree of comparison. But in competitive NT matches for ages, only one goalkeeper has been given the gloves. So we'll never actually know if he's the best goalkeeper. It’s a fair statement, but it also raises the question of why. Why has every single national team manager for the past decade continued to pick Maty over Langerak, and not given Langerak as many games as some would have liked? Holger Osieck. Ange Postecoglou. Bert van Marwijk. Graham Arnold.
All of these managers have consistently not wanted Langerak to be playing matches for their teams. Could one of the reasons be that during the stewardship of Holger, Ange and Bert, Matty was playing first string goalie in the EPL? Not sure what Arnies reasoning is TBH but I would guess its out of maybe loyalty?
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+x+x+xI would argue that Maty is the only keeper who has been allowed to be tested at NT level. It has essentially been a closed shop for goodness knows how long.Every other position has allowed for a degree of comparison. But in competitive NT matches for ages, only one goalkeeper has been given the gloves. So we'll never actually know if he's the best goalkeeper. It’s a fair statement, but it also raises the question of why. Why has every single national team manager for the past decade continued to pick Maty over Langerak, and not given Langerak as many games as some would have liked? Holger Osieck. Ange Postecoglou. Bert van Marwijk. Graham Arnold.
All of these managers have consistently not wanted Langerak to be playing matches for their teams. Could one of the reasons be that during the stewardship of: Holger - Mariners Ange - Brugge/Valencia bench Bert - , Matty was playing first string goalie in the EPL?
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+x+x+x+xI would argue that Maty is the only keeper who has been allowed to be tested at NT level. It has essentially been a closed shop for goodness knows how long.Every other position has allowed for a degree of comparison. But in competitive NT matches for ages, only one goalkeeper has been given the gloves. So we'll never actually know if he's the best goalkeeper. It’s a fair statement, but it also raises the question of why. Why has every single national team manager for the past decade continued to pick Maty over Langerak, and not given Langerak as many games as some would have liked? Holger Osieck. Ange Postecoglou. Bert van Marwijk. Graham Arnold.
All of these managers have consistently not wanted Langerak to be playing matches for their teams. Could one of the reasons be that during the stewardship of: Holger - Mariners Ange - Brugge/Valencia bench Bert - , Matty was playing first string goalie in the EPL? OK, poorly worded from me. Could one of the reasons be that during the stewardship of Holger, Ange and Bert, Matty was playing first string goalie at a higher level than Mitch was?
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My beef is not the non-selection of Langerak - but the blind belief by many that Danny is the number three that should miss out. Danny is and always has been a better keeper than Redmayne. - Redmayne until he has played his one trick Wiggles stunt has never been a great penalty stopper. Maty, Danny and Mitch have all been better over a number of years both as shot stoppers and saving penalties.
- We are at long odds to get out of the group so bringing him on is unlikely
- Everybody has now seen his one trick
- Even if they fear him they simply need to keep possession and in in play for the last couple of minutes of extra time in a knockout game
- He is a wasted spot.
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+xMy beef is not the non-selection of Langerak - but the blind belief by many that Danny is the number three that should miss out. Danny is and always has been a better keeper than Redmayne. - Redmayne until he has played his one trick Wiggles stunt has never been a great penalty stopper. Maty, Danny and Mitch have all been better over a number of years both as shot stoppers and saving penalties.
- We are at long odds to get out of the group so bringing him on is unlikely
- Everybody has now seen his one trick
- Even if they fear him they simply need to keep possession and in in play for the last couple of minutes of extra time in a knockout game
- He is a wasted spot.
+1 The issue ain't Danny, it's Redmayne
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+x+xMy beef is not the non-selection of Langerak - but the blind belief by many that Danny is the number three that should miss out. Danny is and always has been a better keeper than Redmayne. - Redmayne until he has played his one trick Wiggles stunt has never been a great penalty stopper. Maty, Danny and Mitch have all been better over a number of years both as shot stoppers and saving penalties.
- We are at long odds to get out of the group so bringing him on is unlikely
- Everybody has now seen his one trick
- Even if they fear him they simply need to keep possession and in in play for the last couple of minutes of extra time in a knockout game
- He is a wasted spot.
+1 The issue ain't Danny, it's Redmayne Redmayne was never not going to be selected after his penalty heroics against Peru. He booked his ticket right then and there.
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+x+x+xMy beef is not the non-selection of Langerak - but the blind belief by many that Danny is the number three that should miss out. Danny is and always has been a better keeper than Redmayne. - Redmayne until he has played his one trick Wiggles stunt has never been a great penalty stopper. Maty, Danny and Mitch have all been better over a number of years both as shot stoppers and saving penalties.
- We are at long odds to get out of the group so bringing him on is unlikely
- Everybody has now seen his one trick
- Even if they fear him they simply need to keep possession and in in play for the last couple of minutes of extra time in a knockout game
- He is a wasted spot.
+1 The issue ain't Danny, it's Redmayne Redmayne was never not going to be selected after his penalty heroics against Peru. He booked his ticket right then and there. Does Goodwin get the same response?
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+xMy beef is not the non-selection of Langerak - but the blind belief by many that Danny is the number three that should miss out. Danny is and always has been a better keeper than Redmayne. - Redmayne until he has played his one trick Wiggles stunt has never been a great penalty stopper. Maty, Danny and Mitch have all been better over a number of years both as shot stoppers and saving penalties.
- We are at long odds to get out of the group so bringing him on is unlikely
- Everybody has now seen his one trick
- Even if they fear him they simply need to keep possession and in in play for the last couple of minutes of extra time in a knockout game
- He is a wasted spot.
It really doesn't matter who the third choice is. I wouldn't want either Vukovic or Redmayne to come on, but I suppose they could both do a job as a last resort. Either/or, whatever. Taking them both though? Shambolic and inexcusable. It's a disgrace, especially with Ryan seemingly injured and out of form and Langerak in the form of his life. Redmayne was probably always going after his Peru save. He rescued Arnie from an ignominious end and got rewarded. And fair enough. Good on him. He was highly unlikely to come on anyway. I would've been fine with taking him over Vukovic, who has shown nothing in years now and is clearly on his last legs.
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8 whole games, get him a medal
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+x8 whole games, get him a medal You missed the whole point; he was in Socceroo's campaigns and squads for 8 years and only played 8 times event though he has a strong case for the number 1 spot. A lot of players are going to get sick of doing this just to sit on the bench and never get an opportunity no matter how good you play because Ryan always has to be No. 1. Plus, GA asked him to come out of retirement which make the whole situation even more bizarre that he didn't pick him.
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You don't pick players for the World Cup on the basis of "loyalty" or "doing the road trips". You pick your best and in-form at that moment. Its the WC FFS! It doesn't get any bigger. Pick your best.
In any case Ryan is over-rated and probably has more caps than he deserved. He had a terrible 2018 and should have been demoted and made to earn his spot- which on the basis of his club form since- he clearly has not.
Langerak was given one chance and had a brain fade and was never seen again. Ryan just watches them go past without even an attempt a save.
As for Redmayne, give me a fucking break. He should never be anywhere near any national team.
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+x[quote]You don't pick players for the World Cup on the basis of "loyalty" or "doing the road trips". You pick your best and in-form at that moment. Its the WC FFS! It doesn't get any bigger. Pick your best.
Agree but when people walk out on the national team, even for valid reasons, you cannot just easily walk back in. Otherwise you set a standard that it’s ok to retire for a few years, go on Contiki during the off season, and make yourself available again for the World Cup. Suddenly half the squad is doing it.
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+xYou don't pick players for the World Cup on the basis of "loyalty" or "doing the road trips". You pick your best and in-form at that moment. Its the WC FFS! It doesn't get any bigger. Pick your best. In any case Ryan is over-rated and probably has more caps than he deserved. He had a terrible 2018 and should have been demoted and made to earn his spot- which on the basis of his club form since- he clearly has not. Langerak was given one chance and had a brain fade and was never seen again. Ryan just watches them go past without even an attempt a save. As for Redmayne, give me a fucking break. He should never be anywhere near any national team. Spot on Guarantee soon the discussions will will be better about which goals Ryan should gave saved.
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+x+xYou don't pick players for the World Cup on the basis of "loyalty" or "doing the road trips". You pick your best and in-form at that moment. Its the WC FFS! It doesn't get any bigger. Pick your best. In any case Ryan is over-rated and probably has more caps than he deserved. He had a terrible 2018 and should have been demoted and made to earn his spot- which on the basis of his club form since- he clearly has not. Langerak was given one chance and had a brain fade and was never seen again. Ryan just watches them go past without even an attempt a save. As for Redmayne, give me a fucking break. He should never be anywhere near any national team. Spot on Guarantee soon the discussions will will be better about which goals Ryan should gave saved. It always has been. The fact is that Maty has had a better career and is 4 years younger. Mitch wasted years sitting on the pine at Dortmund. Maty has played 147 games in the leagues in teams that are in the top 5 leagues or in Champions League competitions with mostly weaker sides. He conceded 214 goals and kept 34 clean sheets. i.e that is he has conceded 1.46 goals a game and kept a clean sheet percentage of 23% with predominantly weaker teams at the highest level. Mitch by comparison played 24 games at that level conceding 32 goals and kept 5 clean sheets. He conceded only 1.33 goals a game and kept a clean sheet percentage of 21% but played the majority of games with Dortmund who were first or second for 4 of the 5 years he was there. I think Mitch had the talent to have a much better career. He wasted his time largely sitting on the pine collecting his money at Dortmund. He had the talent to play consistently in a top 5 league, but chose to stay at Dortmund. At the national level Maty has played 74 times conceding 69 goals and keeping 30 clean sheets. In qualification for the World Cup he has played 34 times conceding 26 goals and keeping 15 clean sheets Mitch has played 8 times conceding 17 goals and kept 3 clean sheets He has played one World Cup qualifier where he conceded 1 goal and has kept no clean sheets
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+x+x+xYou don't pick players for the World Cup on the basis of "loyalty" or "doing the road trips". You pick your best and in-form at that moment. Its the WC FFS! It doesn't get any bigger. Pick your best. In any case Ryan is over-rated and probably has more caps than he deserved. He had a terrible 2018 and should have been demoted and made to earn his spot- which on the basis of his club form since- he clearly has not. Langerak was given one chance and had a brain fade and was never seen again. Ryan just watches them go past without even an attempt a save. As for Redmayne, give me a fucking break. He should never be anywhere near any national team. Spot on Guarantee soon the discussions will will be better about which goals Ryan should gave saved. It always has been. The fact is that Maty has had a better career and is 4 years younger. Mitch wasted years sitting on the pine at Dortmund. Maty has played 147 games in the leagues in teams that are in the top 5 leagues or in Champions League competitions with mostly weaker sides. He conceded 214 goals and kept 34 clean sheets. i.e that is he has conceded 1.46 goals a game and kept a clean sheet percentage of 23% with predominantly weaker teams at the highest level. Mitch by comparison played 24 games at that level conceding 32 goals and kept 5 clean sheets. He conceded only 1.33 goals a game and kept a clean sheet percentage of 21% but played the majority of games with Dortmund who were first or second for 4 of the 5 years he was there. I think Mitch had the talent to have a much better career. He wasted his time largely sitting on the pine collecting his money at Dortmund. He had the talent to play consistently in a top 5 league, but chose to stay at Dortmund. At the national level Maty has played 74 times conceding 69 goals and keeping 30 clean sheets. In qualification for the World Cup he has played 34 times conceding 26 goals and keeping 15 clean sheets Mitch has played 8 times conceding 17 goals and kept 3 clean sheets He has played one World Cup qualifier where he conceded 1 goal and has kept no clean sheets Thanks for sharing this data. An argument can be made between whether Ryan or Langerak is the strongest keeper and I can accept that Ryan has generally played in strong leagues, which has impacted on his number of appearances etc. The criticism of Langerak for warming the pine at Dortmund is fair, though it is worth noting that over the last 5 years Langerak has played an extraordinary number of games for Nagoya as first choice whereas Ryan has bounced from Brighton to Arsenal to Sociedad to Copenhagen, in each case ending up as 2nd choice. What I can't accept though is any argument that Redmayne or Vukovic are superior to Langerak.
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+x+xYou don't pick players for the World Cup on the basis of "loyalty" or "doing the road trips". You pick your best and in-form at that moment. Its the WC FFS! It doesn't get any bigger. Pick your best. In any case Ryan is over-rated and probably has more caps than he deserved. He had a terrible 2018 and should have been demoted and made to earn his spot- which on the basis of his club form since- he clearly has not. Langerak was given one chance and had a brain fade and was never seen again. Ryan just watches them go past without even an attempt a save. As for Redmayne, give me a fucking break. He should never be anywhere near any national team. Spot on Guarantee soon the discussions will will be better about which goals Ryan should gave saved. Yep. When the news was leaked, that's what I said. He should definitely go to Qatar. But the notion that he's the best keeper is ludicrous. I think quite simply, he hasn't got the reflexes, agility, leg strength or speed to compensate for his lack of height and lack of wingspan.
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Show the stats of number of saves. Some games Langerak was poor in J league. Sometimes 2 shots on target and 2 goals.
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+xShow the stats of number of saves. Some games Langerak was poor in J league. Sometimes 2 shots on target and 2 goals. Ryan is not a shot-stopping keeper. Any shot either side of him is pretty much going in.
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+xShow the stats of number of saves. Some games Langerak was poor in J league. Sometimes 2 shots on target and 2 goals. I don't have that data but I'm happy for you to share it. I've put up plenty of data though to support the contention that Langerak is our strongest keeper and so far you've only offered a subjective assertion of what Langerak did in "some games" without any data behind it.
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Who is the in form keeper right now: Ryan or Langerak?
As for Langerak's Dortmund career, people make it sound like he was Kalac riding the pine at Milan for the money. He wasn't.
Langerak was a young keeper behind an ageing Weidenfeller at the second biggest club in Germany. He would have expected that in time he would have taken over as the number 1, and actually so did the Dortmund fans who were not happy when he was let go.
This was peak Dortmund too with a reputation for developing youth. Any young player at a massive club in Europe at the time would have done the same.
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+xWho is the in form keeper right now: Ryan or Langerak? As for Langerak's Dortmund career, people make it sound like he was Kalac riding the pine at Milan for the money. He wasn't. Langerak was a young keeper behind an ageing Weidenfeller at the second biggest club in Germany. He would have expected that in time he would have taken over as the number 1, and actually so did the Dortmund fans who were not happy when he was let go. This was peak Dortmund too with a reputation for developing youth. Any young player at a massive club in Europe at the time would have done the same. j So Langerak rode pine?
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+x+xWho is the in form keeper right now: Ryan or Langerak? As for Langerak's Dortmund career, people make it sound like he was Kalac riding the pine at Milan for the money. He wasn't. Langerak was a young keeper behind an ageing Weidenfeller at the second biggest club in Germany. He would have expected that in time he would have taken over as the number 1, and actually so did the Dortmund fans who were not happy when he was let go. This was peak Dortmund too with a reputation for developing youth. Any young player at a massive club in Europe at the time would have done the same. j So Langerak rode pine? What? You expect a kid from Melbourne to walk in and be number 1 keeper at Dortmund? He could have walked in to any team in Belgium.
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+x+x+xWho is the in form keeper right now: Ryan or Langerak? As for Langerak's Dortmund career, people make it sound like he was Kalac riding the pine at Milan for the money. He wasn't. Langerak was a young keeper behind an ageing Weidenfeller at the second biggest club in Germany. He would have expected that in time he would have taken over as the number 1, and actually so did the Dortmund fans who were not happy when he was let go. This was peak Dortmund too with a reputation for developing youth. Any young player at a massive club in Europe at the time would have done the same. j So Langerak rode pine? What? You expect a kid from Melbourne to walk in and be number 1 keeper at Dortmund? He could have walked in to any team in Belgium. But he didn't - he stayed there for 5 years with little to no game time and people here expected him to start over Maty for the national team. The exact reason why he should now be starting over Maty. You can't use the argument one way and expect it not to be used in other ways. After a while he needed to look for a loan to get game time - and yes Belgium would have been fine. The guy had the potential to be one of our all time great keepers. TBH his career has not lived up to his talent - he should have been playing in Europe constantly and he would have found his way to starting consistently in one of the top leagues.
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+x+x+x+xWho is the in form keeper right now: Ryan or Langerak? As for Langerak's Dortmund career, people make it sound like he was Kalac riding the pine at Milan for the money. He wasn't. Langerak was a young keeper behind an ageing Weidenfeller at the second biggest club in Germany. He would have expected that in time he would have taken over as the number 1, and actually so did the Dortmund fans who were not happy when he was let go. This was peak Dortmund too with a reputation for developing youth. Any young player at a massive club in Europe at the time would have done the same. j So Langerak rode pine? What? You expect a kid from Melbourne to walk in and be number 1 keeper at Dortmund? He could have walked in to any team in Belgium. But he didn't - he stayed there for 5 years with little to no game time and people here expected him to start over Maty for the national team. The exact reason why he should now be starting over Maty. You can't use the argument one way and expect it not to be used in other ways. After a while he needed to look for a loan to get game time - and yes Belgium would have been fine. The guy had the potential to be one of our all time great keepers. TBH his career has not lived up to his talent - he should have been playing in Europe constantly and he would have found his way to starting consistently in one of the top leagues. Who's using that argument? Between 2012 and 2018 Ryan was rightfully number 1. After 2018 they played roughly the same number of games Add Ryan's poor 2018 World Cup, there is no way Ryan should have been gifted the number 1 like he was this WC cycle. It would have been healthy competition for both if he wasn't. And on that last point, the squad players should be busting a gut in the World Cup camp to get the nod. Langerak would have at least pushed Ryan. Instead- barring some unforseen circumstance, Ryan knows his position against France is safe as no way will Arnold play Vuka, or Redmayne (FFS) As for his career choices when you look the context c 2010 any young A-League player picked by world giants would have done what he did. In hindsight we now know that's not the best development pathway in general but that's in hindsight. Did he stay too long? -maybe, but we don't what he was being told by his club, and besides keepers have long careers anyway.
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+x+x+x+x+xWho is the in form keeper right now: Ryan or Langerak? As for Langerak's Dortmund career, people make it sound like he was Kalac riding the pine at Milan for the money. He wasn't. Langerak was a young keeper behind an ageing Weidenfeller at the second biggest club in Germany. He would have expected that in time he would have taken over as the number 1, and actually so did the Dortmund fans who were not happy when he was let go. This was peak Dortmund too with a reputation for developing youth. Any young player at a massive club in Europe at the time would have done the same. j So Langerak rode pine? What? You expect a kid from Melbourne to walk in and be number 1 keeper at Dortmund? He could have walked in to any team in Belgium. But he didn't - he stayed there for 5 years with little to no game time and people here expected him to start over Maty for the national team. The exact reason why he should now be starting over Maty. You can't use the argument one way and expect it not to be used in other ways. After a while he needed to look for a loan to get game time - and yes Belgium would have been fine. The guy had the potential to be one of our all time great keepers. TBH his career has not lived up to his talent - he should have been playing in Europe constantly and he would have found his way to starting consistently in one of the top leagues. Who's using that argument? Between 2012 and 2018 Ryan was rightfully number 1. After 2018 they played roughly the same number of games Add Ryan's poor 2018 World Cup, there is no way Ryan should have been gifted the number 1 like he was this WC cycle. It would have been healthy competition for both if he wasn't. And on that last point, the squad players should be busting a gut in the World Cup camp to get the nod. Langerak would have at least pushed Ryan. Instead- barring some unforseen circumstance, Ryan knows his position against France is safe as no way will Arnold play Vuka, or Redmayne (FFS) As for his career choices when you look the context c 2010 any young A-League player picked by world giants would have done what he did. In hindsight we now know that's not the best development pathway in general but that's in hindsight. Did he stay too long? -maybe, but we don't what he was being told by his club, and besides keepers have long careers anyway. Was Ryan poor in 2018? I can't remember any particular errors from him but you might be able to quote instances.In 2014 when he was a young keeper he was caught out out several times,particularly by Depay's goal for the Dutch which won them the game and cost us a well deserved draw.He possibly should not have been the No 1 keeper in 2014 but there was no other outstanding candidate. It was unfortunate for Langerak that he spent so many years at Dortmund as the No 2 and in that time Ryan was always the first pick for the Socceroos.He is now the team captain and a fixture in the team.He has played with most of the defenders for a a few games at least and he knows their games and they trust him.They don't have the same relationship with Langerak.This may have been a factor in him missing selection as well as Crawley's bias towards keepers he has worked with at CCM,SFC and the NT.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWho is the in form keeper right now: Ryan or Langerak? As for Langerak's Dortmund career, people make it sound like he was Kalac riding the pine at Milan for the money. He wasn't. Langerak was a young keeper behind an ageing Weidenfeller at the second biggest club in Germany. He would have expected that in time he would have taken over as the number 1, and actually so did the Dortmund fans who were not happy when he was let go. This was peak Dortmund too with a reputation for developing youth. Any young player at a massive club in Europe at the time would have done the same. j So Langerak rode pine? What? You expect a kid from Melbourne to walk in and be number 1 keeper at Dortmund? He could have walked in to any team in Belgium. But he didn't - he stayed there for 5 years with little to no game time and people here expected him to start over Maty for the national team. The exact reason why he should now be starting over Maty. You can't use the argument one way and expect it not to be used in other ways. After a while he needed to look for a loan to get game time - and yes Belgium would have been fine. The guy had the potential to be one of our all time great keepers. TBH his career has not lived up to his talent - he should have been playing in Europe constantly and he would have found his way to starting consistently in one of the top leagues. Who's using that argument? Between 2012 and 2018 Ryan was rightfully number 1. After 2018 they played roughly the same number of games Add Ryan's poor 2018 World Cup, there is no way Ryan should have been gifted the number 1 like he was this WC cycle. It would have been healthy competition for both if he wasn't. And on that last point, the squad players should be busting a gut in the World Cup camp to get the nod. Langerak would have at least pushed Ryan. Instead- barring some unforseen circumstance, Ryan knows his position against France is safe as no way will Arnold play Vuka, or Redmayne (FFS) As for his career choices when you look the context c 2010 any young A-League player picked by world giants would have done what he did. In hindsight we now know that's not the best development pathway in general but that's in hindsight. Did he stay too long? -maybe, but we don't what he was being told by his club, and besides keepers have long careers anyway. Was Ryan poor in 2018? No - he wasn't. But he did get blamed for a number of goals in 2014 where people say he could have saved them. He had one that he should have saved. Most were good goals but a number where where Davidson and to a lesser extent Franjic not playing the offside trap correctly. Many blamed Maty for that when it was essentially the defence marshalled by Spiranovic to blame. A year later at the Asian Cup when Sainsbury was the backline leader we kept a good line in defence.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWho is the in form keeper right now: Ryan or Langerak? As for Langerak's Dortmund career, people make it sound like he was Kalac riding the pine at Milan for the money. He wasn't. Langerak was a young keeper behind an ageing Weidenfeller at the second biggest club in Germany. He would have expected that in time he would have taken over as the number 1, and actually so did the Dortmund fans who were not happy when he was let go. This was peak Dortmund too with a reputation for developing youth. Any young player at a massive club in Europe at the time would have done the same. j So Langerak rode pine? What? You expect a kid from Melbourne to walk in and be number 1 keeper at Dortmund? He could have walked in to any team in Belgium. But he didn't - he stayed there for 5 years with little to no game time and people here expected him to start over Maty for the national team. The exact reason why he should now be starting over Maty. You can't use the argument one way and expect it not to be used in other ways. After a while he needed to look for a loan to get game time - and yes Belgium would have been fine. The guy had the potential to be one of our all time great keepers. TBH his career has not lived up to his talent - he should have been playing in Europe constantly and he would have found his way to starting consistently in one of the top leagues. Who's using that argument? Between 2012 and 2018 Ryan was rightfully number 1. After 2018 they played roughly the same number of games Add Ryan's poor 2018 World Cup, there is no way Ryan should have been gifted the number 1 like he was this WC cycle. It would have been healthy competition for both if he wasn't. And on that last point, the squad players should be busting a gut in the World Cup camp to get the nod. Langerak would have at least pushed Ryan. Instead- barring some unforseen circumstance, Ryan knows his position against France is safe as no way will Arnold play Vuka, or Redmayne (FFS) As for his career choices when you look the context c 2010 any young A-League player picked by world giants would have done what he did. In hindsight we now know that's not the best development pathway in general but that's in hindsight. Did he stay too long? -maybe, but we don't what he was being told by his club, and besides keepers have long careers anyway. Was Ryan poor in 2018? I can't remember any particular errors from him but you might be able to quote instances.In 2014 when he was a young keeper he was caught out out several times,particularly by Depay's goal for the Dutch which won them the game and cost us a well deserved draw.He possibly should not have been the No 1 keeper in 2014 but there was no other outstanding candidate. It was unfortunate for Langerak that he spent so many years at Dortmund as the No 2 and in that time Ryan was always the first pick for the Socceroos.He is now the team captain and a fixture in the team.He has played with most of the defenders for a a few games at least and he knows their games and they trust him.They don't have the same relationship with Langerak.This may have been a factor in him missing selection as well as Crawley's bias towards keepers he has worked with at CCM,SFC and the NT. Of course he was. Peru had 4 shots and scored 2. A taller keeper-or better positiioned one taps the Pogba ricochet shot over the bar.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWho is the in form keeper right now: Ryan or Langerak? As for Langerak's Dortmund career, people make it sound like he was Kalac riding the pine at Milan for the money. He wasn't. Langerak was a young keeper behind an ageing Weidenfeller at the second biggest club in Germany. He would have expected that in time he would have taken over as the number 1, and actually so did the Dortmund fans who were not happy when he was let go. This was peak Dortmund too with a reputation for developing youth. Any young player at a massive club in Europe at the time would have done the same. j So Langerak rode pine? What? You expect a kid from Melbourne to walk in and be number 1 keeper at Dortmund? He could have walked in to any team in Belgium. But he didn't - he stayed there for 5 years with little to no game time and people here expected him to start over Maty for the national team. The exact reason why he should now be starting over Maty. You can't use the argument one way and expect it not to be used in other ways. After a while he needed to look for a loan to get game time - and yes Belgium would have been fine. The guy had the potential to be one of our all time great keepers. TBH his career has not lived up to his talent - he should have been playing in Europe constantly and he would have found his way to starting consistently in one of the top leagues. Who's using that argument? Between 2012 and 2018 Ryan was rightfully number 1. After 2018 they played roughly the same number of games Add Ryan's poor 2018 World Cup, there is no way Ryan should have been gifted the number 1 like he was this WC cycle. It would have been healthy competition for both if he wasn't. And on that last point, the squad players should be busting a gut in the World Cup camp to get the nod. Langerak would have at least pushed Ryan. Instead- barring some unforseen circumstance, Ryan knows his position against France is safe as no way will Arnold play Vuka, or Redmayne (FFS) As for his career choices when you look the context c 2010 any young A-League player picked by world giants would have done what he did. In hindsight we now know that's not the best development pathway in general but that's in hindsight. Did he stay too long? -maybe, but we don't what he was being told by his club, and besides keepers have long careers anyway. Was Ryan poor in 2018? I can't remember any particular errors from him but you might be able to quote instances.In 2014 when he was a young keeper he was caught out out several times,particularly by Depay's goal for the Dutch which won them the game and cost us a well deserved draw.He possibly should not have been the No 1 keeper in 2014 but there was no other outstanding candidate. It was unfortunate for Langerak that he spent so many years at Dortmund as the No 2 and in that time Ryan was always the first pick for the Socceroos.He is now the team captain and a fixture in the team.He has played with most of the defenders for a a few games at least and he knows their games and they trust him.They don't have the same relationship with Langerak.This may have been a factor in him missing selection as well as Crawley's bias towards keepers he has worked with at CCM,SFC and the NT. Of course he was. Peru had 4 shots and scored 2. A taller keeper-or better positiioned one taps the Pogba ricochet shot over the bar. How you can possibly blame Ryan for either of Peru's goals I don't know. Debatable if a taller keeper gets the Pogba one or not. Ryan did not have a "poor" tournament in 2018.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWho is the in form keeper right now: Ryan or Langerak? As for Langerak's Dortmund career, people make it sound like he was Kalac riding the pine at Milan for the money. He wasn't. Langerak was a young keeper behind an ageing Weidenfeller at the second biggest club in Germany. He would have expected that in time he would have taken over as the number 1, and actually so did the Dortmund fans who were not happy when he was let go. This was peak Dortmund too with a reputation for developing youth. Any young player at a massive club in Europe at the time would have done the same. j So Langerak rode pine? What? You expect a kid from Melbourne to walk in and be number 1 keeper at Dortmund? He could have walked in to any team in Belgium. But he didn't - he stayed there for 5 years with little to no game time and people here expected him to start over Maty for the national team. The exact reason why he should now be starting over Maty. You can't use the argument one way and expect it not to be used in other ways. After a while he needed to look for a loan to get game time - and yes Belgium would have been fine. The guy had the potential to be one of our all time great keepers. TBH his career has not lived up to his talent - he should have been playing in Europe constantly and he would have found his way to starting consistently in one of the top leagues. Who's using that argument? Between 2012 and 2018 Ryan was rightfully number 1. After 2018 they played roughly the same number of games Add Ryan's poor 2018 World Cup, there is no way Ryan should have been gifted the number 1 like he was this WC cycle. It would have been healthy competition for both if he wasn't. And on that last point, the squad players should be busting a gut in the World Cup camp to get the nod. Langerak would have at least pushed Ryan. Instead- barring some unforseen circumstance, Ryan knows his position against France is safe as no way will Arnold play Vuka, or Redmayne (FFS) As for his career choices when you look the context c 2010 any young A-League player picked by world giants would have done what he did. In hindsight we now know that's not the best development pathway in general but that's in hindsight. Did he stay too long? -maybe, but we don't what he was being told by his club, and besides keepers have long careers anyway. Was Ryan poor in 2018? I can't remember any particular errors from him but you might be able to quote instances.In 2014 when he was a young keeper he was caught out out several times,particularly by Depay's goal for the Dutch which won them the game and cost us a well deserved draw.He possibly should not have been the No 1 keeper in 2014 but there was no other outstanding candidate. It was unfortunate for Langerak that he spent so many years at Dortmund as the No 2 and in that time Ryan was always the first pick for the Socceroos.He is now the team captain and a fixture in the team.He has played with most of the defenders for a a few games at least and he knows their games and they trust him.They don't have the same relationship with Langerak.This may have been a factor in him missing selection as well as Crawley's bias towards keepers he has worked with at CCM,SFC and the NT. Of course he was. Peru had 4 shots and scored 2. A taller keeper-or better positiioned one taps the Pogba ricochet shot over the bar. How you can possibly blame Ryan for either of Peru's goals I don't know. Debatable if a taller keeper gets the Pogba one or not. Ryan did not have a "poor" tournament in 2018. The top keepers find a way to save those. There's a reason he ends up at number 2 most places he goes. If the ball is either side of him it goes in. Says it all really.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWho is the in form keeper right now: Ryan or Langerak? As for Langerak's Dortmund career, people make it sound like he was Kalac riding the pine at Milan for the money. He wasn't. Langerak was a young keeper behind an ageing Weidenfeller at the second biggest club in Germany. He would have expected that in time he would have taken over as the number 1, and actually so did the Dortmund fans who were not happy when he was let go. This was peak Dortmund too with a reputation for developing youth. Any young player at a massive club in Europe at the time would have done the same. j So Langerak rode pine? What? You expect a kid from Melbourne to walk in and be number 1 keeper at Dortmund? He could have walked in to any team in Belgium. But he didn't - he stayed there for 5 years with little to no game time and people here expected him to start over Maty for the national team. The exact reason why he should now be starting over Maty. You can't use the argument one way and expect it not to be used in other ways. After a while he needed to look for a loan to get game time - and yes Belgium would have been fine. The guy had the potential to be one of our all time great keepers. TBH his career has not lived up to his talent - he should have been playing in Europe constantly and he would have found his way to starting consistently in one of the top leagues. Who's using that argument? Between 2012 and 2018 Ryan was rightfully number 1. After 2018 they played roughly the same number of games Add Ryan's poor 2018 World Cup, there is no way Ryan should have been gifted the number 1 like he was this WC cycle. It would have been healthy competition for both if he wasn't. And on that last point, the squad players should be busting a gut in the World Cup camp to get the nod. Langerak would have at least pushed Ryan. Instead- barring some unforseen circumstance, Ryan knows his position against France is safe as no way will Arnold play Vuka, or Redmayne (FFS) As for his career choices when you look the context c 2010 any young A-League player picked by world giants would have done what he did. In hindsight we now know that's not the best development pathway in general but that's in hindsight. Did he stay too long? -maybe, but we don't what he was being told by his club, and besides keepers have long careers anyway. Was Ryan poor in 2018? I can't remember any particular errors from him but you might be able to quote instances.In 2014 when he was a young keeper he was caught out out several times,particularly by Depay's goal for the Dutch which won them the game and cost us a well deserved draw.He possibly should not have been the No 1 keeper in 2014 but there was no other outstanding candidate. It was unfortunate for Langerak that he spent so many years at Dortmund as the No 2 and in that time Ryan was always the first pick for the Socceroos.He is now the team captain and a fixture in the team.He has played with most of the defenders for a a few games at least and he knows their games and they trust him.They don't have the same relationship with Langerak.This may have been a factor in him missing selection as well as Crawley's bias towards keepers he has worked with at CCM,SFC and the NT. Of course he was. Peru had 4 shots and scored 2. A taller keeper-or better positiioned one taps the Pogba ricochet shot over the bar. How you can possibly blame Ryan for either of Peru's goals I don't know. Debatable if a taller keeper gets the Pogba one or not. Ryan did not have a "poor" tournament in 2018. The top keepers find a way to save those. There's a reason he ends up at number 2 most places he goes. If the ball is either side of him it goes in. Says it all really. Exactly.
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+x+x+xWho is the in form keeper right now: Ryan or Langerak? As for Langerak's Dortmund career, people make it sound like he was Kalac riding the pine at Milan for the money. He wasn't. Langerak was a young keeper behind an ageing Weidenfeller at the second biggest club in Germany. He would have expected that in time he would have taken over as the number 1, and actually so did the Dortmund fans who were not happy when he was let go. This was peak Dortmund too with a reputation for developing youth. Any young player at a massive club in Europe at the time would have done the same. j So Langerak rode pine? What? You expect a kid from Melbourne to walk in and be number 1 keeper at Dortmund? He could have walked in to any team in Belgium. Could he have though? His only season in Europe where he was No. 1 was in Bundesliga 2 with Stuggart.
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I don’t remember Ryan being poor in 2018. He let in 5 goals but I can’t remember any outrageous errors. He was solid without being spectacular or distinguishing himself in any way. He was disappointing in 2014. I expected him to shine in Brazil but he let in some pretty soft goals.
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They can't prevent every goal. And it's not their fault if it goes in. The expectation, at the highest level, is that the goalkeeper finds a way to do the remarkable thing and save them.
Ryan hasn't demonstrated this ability. And now, isn't even playing regularly. Precisely the reason previously used to justify his selection over Langerak.
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+xThey can't prevent every goal. And it's not their fault if it goes in. The expectation, at the highest level, is that the goalkeeper finds a way to do the remarkable thing and save them. Ryan hasn't demonstrated this ability. And now, isn't even playing regularly. Precisely the reason previously used to justify his selection over Langerak. Speaking of that, I still think it was a missed opportunity not to get Jamie Young into the national team a few years ago. The dude was consistently making those kind of miraculous saves.
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Look at Vukovic today - utterly flabbergasting he is in the NT
Atrocious display of keeping
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Shocking day for Vukovic. Some players crumble after getting the nod.
On the subject of keepers, it baffles me how Bazunu gets to play for Southampton. 189cm but so often out of reach. Lloris had goals go straight through him yesterday.
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+xShocking day for Vukovic. Some players crumble after getting the nod. On the subject of keepers, it baffles me how Bazunu gets to play for Southampton. 189cm but so often out of reach. Lloris had goals go straight through him yesterday. Vukovic has been poor all season. But what happened today? Did he make a few howlers?
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+x+xShocking day for Vukovic. Some players crumble after getting the nod. On the subject of keepers, it baffles me how Bazunu gets to play for Southampton. 189cm but so often out of reach. Lloris had goals go straight through him yesterday. Vukovic has been poor all season. But what happened today? Did he make a few howlers? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ThwlT4cRsRough day. Last goal straight through him too.
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If you choose not to play for the country during qualifying, you don’t deserve to to go the World Cup, simple as that.
I don’t care how good you are.
Picking him sets a precedent of allowing players to pick and choose when to play for the national team and it cheapens the shirt. Playing for Australia is a privilege, not a right.
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+xIf you choose not to play for the country during qualifying, you don’t deserve to to go the World Cup, simple as that. I don’t care how good you are. Picking him sets a precedent of allowing players to pick and choose when to play for the national team and it cheapens the shirt. Playing for Australia is a privilege, not a right. Agree with the last sentence. But it's not a duty, either. That's the distinction which, I think, gets forgotten or ignored. There are other considerations whereby a person might decline a cap (at a particular moment). It could be to do with mental being. It could be to do with family. It could be because of potential negative financial implications for your main job (club football). I don't think that we should have some sort of puritanical court of inquisition which forever banishes a player from the NT simply because they've taken a break (i.e. something that it is totally acceptable in any other profession). It's unfair for the player. It's also to the detriment of the NT.
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+x+xIf you choose not to play for the country during qualifying, you don’t deserve to to go the World Cup, simple as that. I don’t care how good you are. Picking him sets a precedent of allowing players to pick and choose when to play for the national team and it cheapens the shirt. Playing for Australia is a privilege, not a right. Agree with the last sentence. But it's not a duty, either. That's the distinction which, I think, gets forgotten or ignored. There are other considerations whereby a person might decline a cap (at a particular moment). It could be to do with mental being. It could be to do with family. It could be because of potential negative financial implications for your main job (club football). I don't think that we should have some sort of puritanical court of inquisition which forever banishes a player from the NT simply because they've taken a break (i.e. something that it is totally acceptable in any other profession). It's unfair for the player. It's also to the detriment of the NT. I didn’t say he should be banished forever. I’d welcome him back after the World Cup but it’s completely unfair to call up someone who chose not to help get us there over those who made themselves available throughout qualifying.
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+x+x+xIf you choose not to play for the country during qualifying, you don’t deserve to to go the World Cup, simple as that. I don’t care how good you are. Picking him sets a precedent of allowing players to pick and choose when to play for the national team and it cheapens the shirt. Playing for Australia is a privilege, not a right. Agree with the last sentence. But it's not a duty, either. That's the distinction which, I think, gets forgotten or ignored. There are other considerations whereby a person might decline a cap (at a particular moment). It could be to do with mental being. It could be to do with family. It could be because of potential negative financial implications for your main job (club football). I don't think that we should have some sort of puritanical court of inquisition which forever banishes a player from the NT simply because they've taken a break (i.e. something that it is totally acceptable in any other profession). It's unfair for the player. It's also to the detriment of the NT. I didn’t say he should be banished forever. I’d welcome him back after the World Cup but it’s completely unfair to call up someone who chose not to help get us there over those who made themselves available throughout qualifying. Everybody has different personal circumstances (accentuated by a pandemic). Still, you're right, it isn't fair. But as you also said - playing for Australia is a privilege, not a right. Based on talent and hard work, there are plenty of footballers who deserve to have played for Australia who haven't. Or who deserve to have gone to the World Cup who haven't. Those players whose skills most enhance the NT should be picked.
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+xIf you choose not to play for the country during qualifying, you don’t deserve to to go the World Cup, simple as that. I don’t care how good you are. Picking him sets a precedent of allowing players to pick and choose when to play for the national team and it cheapens the shirt. Playing for Australia is a privilege, not a right. Arzanai didn't play a single minute of qualifiers yet played in the WC. Viduka and Kewell should never have played as much as they did because they skipped qualifiers. Plenty of them. Lucas Neill was captain and skipped qualifiers for family reasons. Its the World Cup. The best should be picked.
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+x+xIf you choose not to play for the country during qualifying, you don’t deserve to to go the World Cup, simple as that. I don’t care how good you are. Picking him sets a precedent of allowing players to pick and choose when to play for the national team and it cheapens the shirt. Playing for Australia is a privilege, not a right. Arzanai didn't play a single minute of qualifiers yet played in the WC.Viduka and Kewell should never have played as much as they did because they skipped qualifiers. Plenty of them. Lucas Neill was captain and skipped qualifiers for family reasons. Its the World Cup. The best should be picked. He didn’t make himself unavailable though. But yes, as a matter of principle if you flat out refuse to be a part of qualifying (unless there’s a good reason), then no you shouldn’t go to the tournament.
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+x+x+xIf you choose not to play for the country during qualifying, you don’t deserve to to go the World Cup, simple as that. I don’t care how good you are. Picking him sets a precedent of allowing players to pick and choose when to play for the national team and it cheapens the shirt. Playing for Australia is a privilege, not a right. Arzanai didn't play a single minute of qualifiers yet played in the WC.Viduka and Kewell should never have played as much as they did because they skipped qualifiers. Plenty of them. Lucas Neill was captain and skipped qualifiers for family reasons. Its the World Cup. The best should be picked. He didn’t make himself unavailable though. But yes, as a matter of principle if you flat out refuse to be a part of qualifying (unless there’s a good reason), then no you shouldn’t go to the tournament. So what's a good reason? I guarantee if Volpato progresses and says he was wants to play for us, the new manager will open him with open arms, as he should,
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+x+x+x+xIf you choose not to play for the country during qualifying, you don’t deserve to to go the World Cup, simple as that. I don’t care how good you are. Picking him sets a precedent of allowing players to pick and choose when to play for the national team and it cheapens the shirt. Playing for Australia is a privilege, not a right. Arzanai didn't play a single minute of qualifiers yet played in the WC.Viduka and Kewell should never have played as much as they did because they skipped qualifiers. Plenty of them. Lucas Neill was captain and skipped qualifiers for family reasons. Its the World Cup. The best should be picked. He didn’t make himself unavailable though. But yes, as a matter of principle if you flat out refuse to be a part of qualifying (unless there’s a good reason), then no you shouldn’t go to the tournament. So what's a good reason? I guarantee if Volpato progresses and says he was wants to play for us, the new manager will open him with open arms, as he should, Family emergency, mental health break, stuff of that nature. Also Volpato can get in the bin. He was offered the chance to play for us and he turned it down. We shouldn’t get on our hands and knees in order to beg players to play for us.
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+x+x+x+xIf you choose not to play for the country during qualifying, you don’t deserve to to go the World Cup, simple as that. I don’t care how good you are. Picking him sets a precedent of allowing players to pick and choose when to play for the national team and it cheapens the shirt. Playing for Australia is a privilege, not a right. Arzanai didn't play a single minute of qualifiers yet played in the WC.Viduka and Kewell should never have played as much as they did because they skipped qualifiers. Plenty of them. Lucas Neill was captain and skipped qualifiers for family reasons. Its the World Cup. The best should be picked. He didn’t make himself unavailable though. But yes, as a matter of principle if you flat out refuse to be a part of qualifying (unless there’s a good reason), then no you shouldn’t go to the tournament. So what's a good reason? I guarantee if Volpato progresses and says he was wants to play for us, the new manager will open him with open arms, as he should, They probably would but I don’t agree with it.
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+xIf you choose not to play for the country during qualifying, you don’t deserve to to go the World Cup, simple as that. I don’t care how good you are. Picking him sets a precedent of allowing players to pick and choose when to play for the national team and it cheapens the shirt. Playing for Australia is a privilege, not a right. 100%. But Langerak was talked into returning by Arnie (supposedly) so his previous retirement shouldn’t be a factor.
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+xIf you choose not to play for the country during qualifying, you don’t deserve to to go the World Cup, simple as that.
I agree but that is not a rule set by the team so invalid point and you choose your best players, Lets not for get THEY approached him to change his mind. So that makes the point irrelevant.
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+xIf you choose not to play for the country during qualifying, you don’t deserve to to go the World Cup, simple as that. I don’t care how good you are. Picking him sets a precedent of allowing players to pick and choose when to play for the national team and it cheapens the shirt. Playing for Australia is a privilege, not a right. Couldn't agree more.
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+x+xIf you choose not to play for the country during qualifying, you don’t deserve to to go the World Cup, simple as that. I don’t care how good you are. Picking him sets a precedent of allowing players to pick and choose when to play for the national team and it cheapens the shirt. Playing for Australia is a privilege, not a right. Couldn't agree more. Yeah sure, but why ask him to come out of retirement then?
It’s not like he went to them.
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+x+x+xIf you choose not to play for the country during qualifying, you don’t deserve to to go the World Cup, simple as that. I don’t care how good you are. Picking him sets a precedent of allowing players to pick and choose when to play for the national team and it cheapens the shirt. Playing for Australia is a privilege, not a right. Couldn't agree more. Yeah sure, but why ask him to come out of retirement then?
It’s not like he went to them. Is this confirmed though?
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+x+x+x+xIf you choose not to play for the country during qualifying, you don’t deserve to to go the World Cup, simple as that. I don’t care how good you are. Picking him sets a precedent of allowing players to pick and choose when to play for the national team and it cheapens the shirt. Playing for Australia is a privilege, not a right. Couldn't agree more. Yeah sure, but why ask him to come out of retirement then?
It’s not like he went to them. Is this confirmed though? I am obviously no provy to private conversations but this is generally how it;s been reported - quote from Arnold: “When he did retire, I could tell in his voice that it was something that he didn’t want to do,” Arnold said of the 34-year-old shot-stopper.
Although it doesnt confim if Arnold talked him out of it, it confirms he had retired.
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+xPicking him sets a precedent of allowing players to pick and choose when to play for the national team and it cheapens the shirt. Playing for Australia is a privilege, not a right. Yep 100%. This is one of my biggest fears with taking a lenient stance to players refusing call-ups.
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+x+xPicking him sets a precedent of allowing players to pick and choose when to play for the national team and it cheapens the shirt. Playing for Australia is a privilege, not a right. Yep 100%. This is one of my biggest fears with taking a lenient stance to players refusing call-ups. Ok this makes no sense at all. It's a football team, not a court of law. You select players on a case by case basis. No coach is obliged or expected to follow "precedents". And here we are, going to the world cup with a declining, hobbled Ryan and two third choice keepers. But no, we can't be creating a "precedent" by including our one and only in-form keeper in the 26 man squad. It's insane. There is no other conclusion than Arnold is a fucking moron.
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+x+xPicking him sets a precedent of allowing players to pick and choose when to play for the national team and it cheapens the shirt. Playing for Australia is a privilege, not a right. Yep 100%. This is one of my biggest fears with taking a lenient stance to players refusing call-ups. Really? My biggest fear is being embarrassed on the world stage. The only thing I care about is having the best players going out there and performing when they have the shirt on. I'll save the moralizing for things that really matter.
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+x+xPicking him sets a precedent of allowing players to pick and choose when to play for the national team and it cheapens the shirt. Playing for Australia is a privilege, not a right. Yep 100%. This is one of my biggest fears with taking a lenient stance to players refusing call-ups. He didn't refuse a call up. Two players did in the team did however, yet they were picked. Langerak retired from international football and was asked to come back. And for some reason despite him being our top keeper based on minutes and stats in the last two years for some other unknown reason, he's been left out.
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Vukovic has basically said he got picked because he made himself available for the qualifiers and that he also accepted Ryan is locked in as No1 and that he will not play unless Ryan is injured ( that and because Ryan is captain)
Langerak would likely not have accepted all. that
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+xLangerak would likely not have accepted all. that If true you've inadvertently confirmed why Langerak shouldn't be in the squad
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+x+xLangerak would likely not have accepted all. that If true you've inadvertently confirmed why Langerak shouldn't be in the squad How so? Langerak was asked to come out of retirement and he did. Why should Langerak accept Ryan being locked in as No 1? Selection should be based on form. Hiddink benched Schwarzer after his poor Japan game in 2006. Will Arnold bench Ryan after a poor game?
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+x+x+xLangerak would likely not have accepted all. that If true you've inadvertently confirmed why Langerak shouldn't be in the squad Hiddink benched Schwarzer after his poor Japan game in 2006. Will Arnold bench Ryan after a poor game? That was a shocking call by Hiddink lol. Almost cost us getting out of the group. Kalac looked completely lost against Croatia.
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+x+x+x+xLangerak would likely not have accepted all. that If true you've inadvertently confirmed why Langerak shouldn't be in the squad Hiddink benched Schwarzer after his poor Japan game in 2006. Will Arnold bench Ryan after a poor game? That was a shocking call by Hiddink lol. Almost cost us getting out of the group. Kalac looked completely lost against Croatia. Hiddink wasn’t to know Kalac put money on the other team (jeez … alledgely).
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+xVukovic has basically said he got picked because he made himself available for the qualifiers and that he also accepted Ryan is locked in as No1 and that he will not play unless Ryan is injured ( that and because Ryan is captain) Langerak would likely not have accepted all. that I saw Vukovic's comment about making himself available during qualifying. Haven't seen where he said Mat Ryan indisputable #1 - was that also on Twitter?
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+x+xVukovic has basically said he got picked because he made himself available for the qualifiers and that he also accepted Ryan is locked in as No1 and that he will not play unless Ryan is injured ( that and because Ryan is captain) Langerak would likely not have accepted all. that I saw Vukovic's comment about making himself available during qualifying. Haven't seen where he said Mat Ryan indisputable #1 - was that also on Twitter? Nah it was an interview. “He’s our captain, he’s not let the country down really ever,” Vukovic said of Ryan. “Initially (Redmayne and I) will play a supporting role but also make sure that, if called upon, we’re ready to step in and do a good job.”
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+x+x+xVukovic has basically said he got picked because he made himself available for the qualifiers and that he also accepted Ryan is locked in as No1 and that he will not play unless Ryan is injured ( that and because Ryan is captain) Langerak would likely not have accepted all. that I saw Vukovic's comment about making himself available during qualifying. Haven't seen where he said Mat Ryan indisputable #1 - was that also on Twitter? Nah it was an interview. “He’s our captain, he’s not let the country down really ever,” Vukovic said of Ryan. “Initially (Redmayne and I) will play a supporting role but also make sure that, if called upon, we’re ready to step in and do a good job.” In other words, they are there as a cheer squad for Ryan. 'go Maty, go Maty, rah rah rah' FFS I didn't think mydislike of Arnold's "coaching" could intensify, but there you go.
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+x+x+xVukovic has basically said he got picked because he made himself available for the qualifiers and that he also accepted Ryan is locked in as No1 and that he will not play unless Ryan is injured ( that and because Ryan is captain) Langerak would likely not have accepted all. that I saw Vukovic's comment about making himself available during qualifying. Haven't seen where he said Mat Ryan indisputable #1 - was that also on Twitter? Nah it was an interview. “He’s our captain, he’s not let the country down really ever,” Vukovic said of Ryan I guess they’re hoping everyone has forgotten the WC14 games against Chile and the Netherlands. If Langerak plays those games I reckon Ange gets 4 pts in the Group.
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+x+x+x+xVukovic has basically said he got picked because he made himself available for the qualifiers and that he also accepted Ryan is locked in as No1 and that he will not play unless Ryan is injured ( that and because Ryan is captain) Langerak would likely not have accepted all. that I saw Vukovic's comment about making himself available during qualifying. Haven't seen where he said Mat Ryan indisputable #1 - was that also on Twitter? Nah it was an interview. “He’s our captain, he’s not let the country down really ever,” Vukovic said of Ryan I guess they’re hoping everyone has forgotten the WC14 games against Chile and the Netherlands. If Langerak plays those games I reckon Ange gets 4 pts in the Group. Didn't we lose by a couple of goals against Chile? I can't remember the nature of the goals. I'll have to rewatch them, and the NL match. I remember Arjen Robben bursting down the left wing and drilling it home. But I'd have to rewatch it.
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+x+x+x+x+xVukovic has basically said he got picked because he made himself available for the qualifiers and that he also accepted Ryan is locked in as No1 and that he will not play unless Ryan is injured ( that and because Ryan is captain) Langerak would likely not have accepted all. that I saw Vukovic's comment about making himself available during qualifying. Haven't seen where he said Mat Ryan indisputable #1 - was that also on Twitter? Nah it was an interview. “He’s our captain, he’s not let the country down really ever,” Vukovic said of Ryan I guess they’re hoping everyone has forgotten the WC14 games against Chile and the Netherlands. If Langerak plays those games I reckon Ange gets 4 pts in the Group. Didn't we lose by a couple of goals against Chile? I can't remember the nature of the goals. I'll have to rewatch them, and the NL match. I remember Arjen Robben bursting down the left wing and drilling it home. But I'd have to rewatch it. Ryan was 100% at fault for the 3rd Dutch goal. That was the only howler he had from memory.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xVukovic has basically said he got picked because he made himself available for the qualifiers and that he also accepted Ryan is locked in as No1 and that he will not play unless Ryan is injured ( that and because Ryan is captain) Langerak would likely not have accepted all. that I saw Vukovic's comment about making himself available during qualifying. Haven't seen where he said Mat Ryan indisputable #1 - was that also on Twitter? Nah it was an interview. “He’s our captain, he’s not let the country down really ever,” Vukovic said of Ryan I guess they’re hoping everyone has forgotten the WC14 games against Chile and the Netherlands. If Langerak plays those games I reckon Ange gets 4 pts in the Group. Didn't we lose by a couple of goals against Chile? I can't remember the nature of the goals. I'll have to rewatch them, and the NL match. I remember Arjen Robben bursting down the left wing and drilling it home. But I'd have to rewatch it. Ryan was 100% at fault for the 3rd Dutch goal. That was the only howler he had from memory. I’d recommend watching all three Chilean goals again.
Not necessarily “howlers”, but they were savable.
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Oh dear. I saw the goals Vukovic let in. The first was a straight up howler and could be forgiven as an aberration, but the other two were incredibly soft. His reflexes seem to have deserted him. It’s a sick joke we’re taking that to the world cup over the best keeper in the jleague. There’s no possible excuse. Langerak could and should have been forgiven on account of covid. I was annoyed when he “retired” too, but taking not one but two shocking keepers is cutting off your nose to spite your face. It’s an unbelievably moronic decision from Arnold and Crawley.
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If Ryan is Arnie number 1. He will be playing all 3 games. We shouldn't worry about the 2nd or 3rd keepers.
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+xIf Ryan is Arnie number 1. He will be playing all 3 games. We shouldn't worry about the 2nd or 3rd keepers. Same was true for Schwarzer in 2006. But he was benched after the Japan game. What if Ryan has a 'mare against France?
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What’s going on with Ryan anyway? Has anyone heard anything? He’s not even made the bench lately. Is he injured? If so, the decision to leave out Langerak simply beggars belief. If Vukovic has to start against France, Arnie should be sacked on the spot.
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Absolutely woeful by Vukovic today. 1st goal he conceded was an absolutely diabolical mistake. 2nd he failed to even react and was a complete statue. 3rd he was beaten easily at the near post. This is getting more farcical by the day.
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+xAbsolutely woeful by Vukovic today. 1st goal he conceded was an absolutely diabolical mistake. 2nd he failed to even react and was a complete statue. 3rd he was beaten easily at the near post. This is getting more farcical by the day. Yep. Worst goal keeping I’ve seen in AL for years. ALL 3 goals were stoppable. If Ryan is injured I think after today I’d prefer Redmayne over Vukovic
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Been away for a few days so haven't been keeping up so excuse me if this was covered already. How the fuck is Vukovic on the plane to Qatar based on today's effort?
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And add blokes who've never stepped foot in the country and get picked. Ridiculous.
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A question to those who want Langerak in the side, can he play the sweeper keeper role? Does he play that role in Japan?
I have only seen him when he played a season as Victory's keeper and in the few occasions that he got a run with the Socceroos. In that time Ange went with Ryan in WC2014, van Marwijk left Langerak out of the WC2018 squad, and Arnold went with Ryan right from the start.
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+xA question to those who want Langerak in the side, can he play the sweeper keeper role? Does he play that role in Japan? I have only seen him when he played a season as Victory's keeper and in the few occasions that he got a run with the Socceroos. In that time Ange went with Ryan in WC2014, van Marwijk left Langerak out of the WC2018 squad, and Arnold went with Ryan right from the start. No he didn't play as sweeper keeper at Nagoya.
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+xA question to those who want Langerak in the side, can he play the sweeper keeper role? Does he play that role in Japan? I have only seen him when he played a season as Victory's keeper and in the few occasions that he got a run with the Socceroos. In that time Ange went with Ryan in WC2014, van Marwijk left Langerak out of the WC2018 squad, and Arnold went with Ryan right from the start. The playing our from the back is suicide when you have players when pressed by quality opposition don't have the ability to keep the ball so its a moot point. You can bet every single one of opponents knows this and that's how they will play us.
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Uncanny every time Ryan starts to cop a lot of stick, lots of keepers have a howler of a weekend. Emi Martinez just now.
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My hunch is there was a suggestion, most likely by Arnold, to see how Langerak went in camp. Seeing the optimism of the world reopening, Langerak took up the offer and it went from there. The news articles suggest Langerak was approached more than announcing his availability.
Perhaps after not playing in September some things were said. You've got to remember how Langerak was paraded around like a hunting prize doing a lot of PR and hyped up Interviews. Maybe words were said after he didn't play or even then something was mentioned how he wouldn't be going to Qatar unless the other three got injured. The squad announcement Video clips of players had to have been shot in September. So did they take footage of every extended squad member then or was the squad already known?
Come squad selection time Arnold says Crawley was given the call and was perfectly happy to go with his cohort. Arnold probably just said 'OK, I trust you.'
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I would have gone with Ryan, Langerak and Lawrence Thomas. Langerak has always been more comfortable when his team sits back, vice-versa for Ryan. Thomas is a good keeper who can perform well in both systems. That trio would have covered all bases and given Arnie a lot of flexibility.
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+xI would have gone with Ryan, Langerak and Lawrence Thomas. Langerak has always been more comfortable when his team sits back, vice-versa for Ryan. Thomas is a good keeper who can perform well in both systems. That trio would have covered all bases and given Arnie a lot of flexibility. Ryan, Langerak and Gauci for the future. We all saw Vuka on the weekend, while Redmayne is a clown who got lucky 1 time out of 6 in the shootout. They could conceivably be dropped from their A-league sides.
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After reading a few more comments from other forum members in this thread , I think it makes sense that Langerak announced he was retiring forth Socceroos first. That playing for the Socceroos wasn't a priority for him like most other players.
The same scenario could have been applicable to Tom Rogic too?
To select players nowhere near as desperate for a shirt, may have devalued the shirt to those Socceroo aspirants desperate to be in Qatar?
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Same as Rogic, nobody here has actually heard from him that he even WANTED to be selected.
All this "they didn't come to qualifiers so Arnie told them to piss off" is PURE FORUM SPECULATION that is slowly becoming fact around here.
If that was true why did he choose Leckie and Mlaclaren?
To me Rogic didn't want to come and something happened in camp with Mitch and other keepers or staff
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I dont begrudge Rogic for not wanting to play, guy has done more than enough for us in he past. Langerak on the other hand hasnt doesnt anything.
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+xI dont begrudge Rogic for not wanting to play, guy has done more than enough for us in he past. Langerak on the other hand hasnt doesnt anything. Pretty hard to do when he's on the bench.
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+xI dont begrudge Rogic for not wanting to play, guy has done more than enough for us in he past. Langerak on the other hand hasnt doesnt anything. Mitch has travelled halfway around the world countless times to be part of the squad, to sit on the bench as a backup. He’s been part of the squad for 66 games and in all that time, only been given the opportunity to take the field for 7 friendlies and just one competitive game (including subs).
Travelling to be in the squad to sit on the bench 56 times behind a guy he was arguably better than for fair portions of that time, is a pretty considerable and certainly not “hasn’t done anything”.
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“When he left Brighton and went across to Spain (with Real Sociedad) it was about playing and it didn’t happen really, and things haven’t gone to plan (in Denmark). “... But he works extremely hard on the training pitch to prove his worth and Matty, as I said, has played 15 games since the competition started. “You know that’s 12 more than (Andrew) Redmayne, (Danny) Vukovic. Okay, (Mitch) Langerak is playing over in Japan. But Maty’s played a lot of games. So he’ll be right.” https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/socceroos/never-let-us-down-mat-ryans-world-cup-boost-as-graham-arnold-dismisses-club-concerns/news-story/4f8afc584b9a12e66fee9a22ad246320
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Seriously the mention of Thomas blows me despite the clown Redmayne and aging Vuka. He'd be like a rabbit in front of headlights to me at WC levels come on.
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https://youtu.be/LLefMOebyoE
Mark Schwarzer talks about Langerak missing out
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So Ryan is currently iunjured. If he cannot play the first game, would a single person here think Redmayne of Vukovic would be a better starting option than Langerak? Please keep in mind, the fact he retired and came back doesn't stop his ability to actually keep.
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+xSo Ryan is currently iunjured. If he cannot play the first game, would a single person here think Redmayne of Vukovic would be a better starting option than Langerak? Please keep in mind, the fact he retired and came back doesn't stop his ability to actually keep. Look, in the big picture disregarding the backroom politics/retirments and goss by form you'd go L even before Ryan. It is what it is I'm over the mulling over this topic. IF I had to pick of the remaining 2 for thats the choices we have by the powers above us Vuka form or not compared to seeing the wiggle look more of the goose.
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Bouzanis playing higher level than all current aussie keepers. Still young for a keeper, I mean maybe Rafa was right all along?
6'2, was a midfielder before he was a keeper so decent with his feet, worked hard over the last two years to get to where he is, has played in EFL finals what more do you need?
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If Ryan injured Langerak has to be brought in cos he is definitely better option than Vukovic - who played like crap on Sunday- and Redmayne. But if Langerak can’t be there, would prefer Redmayne over Vukovic based on current form
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Langerak shouldn't have gone to Dortmund.
But it's much easier to say that in retrospect. When one of the biggests clubs in the world comes calling...
He was the kind of guinea pig for goalkeepers going directly from the A-League big football teams in Europe. It could have gone very differently.
He made a bad career move (but totally understandable). It has hurt his NT career, unfortunately.
And, unfortunately, it has hurt the NT, too. The results in 2014 may have been better with him as goalkeeper, albeit he would have had to hage played out of his skin. For this WC, with Langerak in goals, I would fancy Australia's chances more than i have since 2010.
Meanwhile, Ryan has played much more over the years. But he has never really been secure (besides in Brugge). Every big club he's been at, he has had difficulty keeping the goals out and then been dropped to the bench or sought a transfer out. But the idea of loyalty for the NT managers has involved not even considering the possibility that Ryan might not be the best (hence club football patterns). FWIW, Ryan should still be in the squad to go to the WC, just not the XI.
Of course, a sensible manager would have just accepted that he made a bad call and looked at how Langerak and Ryan are playing now respecyively. And would try to pick the players most capable of delivering the best results.
But no, this is Australia, after all.
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+xLangerak shouldn't have gone to Dortmund. But it's much easier to say that in retrospect. When one of the biggests clubs in the world comes calling... He was the kind of guinea pig for goalkeepers going directly from the A-League big football teams in Europe. It could have gone very differently. He made a bad career move (but totally understandable). It has hurt his NT career, unfortunately. And, unfortunately, it has hurt the NT, too. The results in 2014 may have been better with him as goalkeeper, albeit he would have had to hage played out of his skin. For this WC, with Langerak in goals, I would fancy Australia's chances more than i have since 2010. Meanwhile, Ryan has played much more over the years. But he has never really been secure (besides in Brugge). Every big club he's been at, he has had difficulty keeping the goals out and then been dropped to the bench or sought a transfer out. But the idea of loyalty for the NT managers has involved not even considering the possibility that Ryan might not be the best (hence club football patterns). FWIW, Ryan should still be in the squad to go to the WC, just not the XI. Of course, a sensible manager would have just accepted that he made a bad call and looked at how Langerak and Ryan are playing now respecyively. And would try to pick the players most capable of delivering the best results. But no, this is Australia, after all. Not quite right. He played 3 full seasons of EPL at Brighton (17/18 38 games, 18/19 34 games, 19/20 38 games) before losing his place part way through the 20/21 season when he played 11 games.
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+x+xLangerak shouldn't have gone to Dortmund. But it's much easier to say that in retrospect. When one of the biggests clubs in the world comes calling... He was the kind of guinea pig for goalkeepers going directly from the A-League big football teams in Europe. It could have gone very differently. He made a bad career move (but totally understandable). It has hurt his NT career, unfortunately. And, unfortunately, it has hurt the NT, too. The results in 2014 may have been better with him as goalkeeper, albeit he would have had to hage played out of his skin. For this WC, with Langerak in goals, I would fancy Australia's chances more than i have since 2010. Meanwhile, Ryan has played much more over the years. But he has never really been secure (besides in Brugge). Every big club he's been at, he has had difficulty keeping the goals out and then been dropped to the bench or sought a transfer out. But the idea of loyalty for the NT managers has involved not even considering the possibility that Ryan might not be the best (hence club football patterns). FWIW, Ryan should still be in the squad to go to the WC, just not the XI. Of course, a sensible manager would have just accepted that he made a bad call and looked at how Langerak and Ryan are playing now respecyively. And would try to pick the players most capable of delivering the best results. But no, this is Australia, after all. Not quite right. He played 3 full seasons of EPL at Brighton (17/18 38 games, 18/19 34 games, 19/20 38 games) before losing his place part way through the 20/21 season when he played 11 games. Fair point. I hasnt realised he was there that long. I guess that helps explain why he was considered undroppable for so long. It would have taken a gutsy NT manager to do so. I wouldn't say that Ryan's shot-stopping abilities ever really struck me as particularly strong for a goalkeeper at that level. Sweeping, sure. But that's not enough. You guys watch him week in, week out, I think. So you might know better than me. At the end of the day, Australia hasn't got class across the. For that reason, we're especially reliant on a gifted, athletic keeper who is (probably but not necessarily) big. We need a goalkeeper who can pull off the remarkable to keep us in the game. For ages, the tricky question (Is Ryan the best goalkeeper we have?) was pushed out of the way by virtue of the fact that he was in the EPL (regardless of success beyond getting minutes). I think most people on the forum were prepared to accept that he was the best without being particularly critical the 50/50 saves or the very difficult saves. However, it probably would have been better if this hadn't been taken as granted. In the 6 WC matches he has played (while being more-or-less a regular at clubside), he hasn't demonstrated the ability to keep us in games. Now, he's not a regular, so our expectations can only drop further. Yet out of sheer stubbornness and loyalty, he'll get the gloves (despite another performing much better). To reiterate, Maty should still be in the squad for thw WC. But, as our starting goalkeeper, our defence is compromised.
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+x+x+xLangerak shouldn't have gone to Dortmund. But it's much easier to say that in retrospect. When one of the biggests clubs in the world comes calling... He was the kind of guinea pig for goalkeepers going directly from the A-League big football teams in Europe. It could have gone very differently. He made a bad career move (but totally understandable). It has hurt his NT career, unfortunately. And, unfortunately, it has hurt the NT, too. The results in 2014 may have been better with him as goalkeeper, albeit he would have had to hage played out of his skin. For this WC, with Langerak in goals, I would fancy Australia's chances more than i have since 2010. Meanwhile, Ryan has played much more over the years. But he has never really been secure (besides in Brugge). Every big club he's been at, he has had difficulty keeping the goals out and then been dropped to the bench or sought a transfer out. But the idea of loyalty for the NT managers has involved not even considering the possibility that Ryan might not be the best (hence club football patterns). FWIW, Ryan should still be in the squad to go to the WC, just not the XI. Of course, a sensible manager would have just accepted that he made a bad call and looked at how Langerak and Ryan are playing now respecyively. And would try to pick the players most capable of delivering the best results. But no, this is Australia, after all. Not quite right. He played 3 full seasons of EPL at Brighton (17/18 38 games, 18/19 34 games, 19/20 38 games) before losing his place part way through the 20/21 season when he played 11 games. Fair point. I hasnt realised he was there that long. I guess that helps explain why he was considered undroppable for so long. It would have taken a gutsy NT manager to do so. I wouldn't say that Ryan's shot-stopping abilities ever really struck me as particularly strong for a goalkeeper at that level. Sweeping, sure. But that's not enough. You guys watch him week in, week out, I think. So you might know better than me. At the end of the day, Australia hasn't got class across the. For that reason, we're especially reliant on a gifted, athletic keeper who is (probably but not necessarily) big. We need a goalkeeper who can pull off the remarkable to keep us in the game. For ages, the tricky question (Is Ryan the best goalkeeper we have?) was pushed out of the way by virtue of the fact that he was in the EPL (regardless of success beyond getting minutes). I think most people on the forum were prepared to accept that he was the best without being particularly critical the 50/50 saves or the very difficult saves. However, it probably would have been better if this hadn't been taken as granted. In the 6 WC matches he has played (while being more-or-less a regular at clubside), he hasn't demonstrated the ability to keep us in games. Now, he's not a regular, so our expectations can only drop further. Yet out of sheer stubbornness and loyalty, he'll get the gloves (despite another performing much better). To reiterate, Maty should still be in the squad for thw WC. But, as our starting goalkeeper, our defence is compromised. Ryan made some incredible saves in the first couple of seasons at Brighton. He kept pulling off these bullshit reflex double saves that endeared him to the Brighton fan base. He dropped off a little bit in his third season, before kind of falling off the cliff in the fourth. But he was genuinely awesome for a good while there.
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+x+x+x+xLangerak shouldn't have gone to Dortmund. But it's much easier to say that in retrospect. When one of the biggests clubs in the world comes calling... He was the kind of guinea pig for goalkeepers going directly from the A-League big football teams in Europe. It could have gone very differently. He made a bad career move (but totally understandable). It has hurt his NT career, unfortunately. And, unfortunately, it has hurt the NT, too. The results in 2014 may have been better with him as goalkeeper, albeit he would have had to hage played out of his skin. For this WC, with Langerak in goals, I would fancy Australia's chances more than i have since 2010. Meanwhile, Ryan has played much more over the years. But he has never really been secure (besides in Brugge). Every big club he's been at, he has had difficulty keeping the goals out and then been dropped to the bench or sought a transfer out. But the idea of loyalty for the NT managers has involved not even considering the possibility that Ryan might not be the best (hence club football patterns). FWIW, Ryan should still be in the squad to go to the WC, just not the XI. Of course, a sensible manager would have just accepted that he made a bad call and looked at how Langerak and Ryan are playing now respecyively. And would try to pick the players most capable of delivering the best results. But no, this is Australia, after all. Not quite right. He played 3 full seasons of EPL at Brighton (17/18 38 games, 18/19 34 games, 19/20 38 games) before losing his place part way through the 20/21 season when he played 11 games. Fair point. I hasnt realised he was there that long. I guess that helps explain why he was considered undroppable for so long. It would have taken a gutsy NT manager to do so. I wouldn't say that Ryan's shot-stopping abilities ever really struck me as particularly strong for a goalkeeper at that level. Sweeping, sure. But that's not enough. You guys watch him week in, week out, I think. So you might know better than me. At the end of the day, Australia hasn't got class across the. For that reason, we're especially reliant on a gifted, athletic keeper who is (probably but not necessarily) big. We need a goalkeeper who can pull off the remarkable to keep us in the game. For ages, the tricky question (Is Ryan the best goalkeeper we have?) was pushed out of the way by virtue of the fact that he was in the EPL (regardless of success beyond getting minutes). I think most people on the forum were prepared to accept that he was the best without being particularly critical the 50/50 saves or the very difficult saves. However, it probably would have been better if this hadn't been taken as granted. In the 6 WC matches he has played (while being more-or-less a regular at clubside), he hasn't demonstrated the ability to keep us in games. Now, he's not a regular, so our expectations can only drop further. Yet out of sheer stubbornness and loyalty, he'll get the gloves (despite another performing much better). To reiterate, Maty should still be in the squad for thw WC. But, as our starting goalkeeper, our defence is compromised. Ryan made some incredible saves in the first couple of seasons at Brighton. He kept pulling off these bullshit reflex double saves that endeared him to the Brighton fan base. He dropped off a little bit in his third season, before kind of falling off the cliff in the fourth. But he was genuinely awesome for a good while there. Trouble with double saves are, no matter how exciting, they often come from palming your first save straight onto the foot of the opposition striker
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+x+x+x+x+xLangerak shouldn't have gone to Dortmund. But it's much easier to say that in retrospect. When one of the biggests clubs in the world comes calling... He was the kind of guinea pig for goalkeepers going directly from the A-League big football teams in Europe. It could have gone very differently. He made a bad career move (but totally understandable). It has hurt his NT career, unfortunately. And, unfortunately, it has hurt the NT, too. The results in 2014 may have been better with him as goalkeeper, albeit he would have had to hage played out of his skin. For this WC, with Langerak in goals, I would fancy Australia's chances more than i have since 2010. Meanwhile, Ryan has played much more over the years. But he has never really been secure (besides in Brugge). Every big club he's been at, he has had difficulty keeping the goals out and then been dropped to the bench or sought a transfer out. But the idea of loyalty for the NT managers has involved not even considering the possibility that Ryan might not be the best (hence club football patterns). FWIW, Ryan should still be in the squad to go to the WC, just not the XI. Of course, a sensible manager would have just accepted that he made a bad call and looked at how Langerak and Ryan are playing now respecyively. And would try to pick the players most capable of delivering the best results. But no, this is Australia, after all. Not quite right. He played 3 full seasons of EPL at Brighton (17/18 38 games, 18/19 34 games, 19/20 38 games) before losing his place part way through the 20/21 season when he played 11 games. Fair point. I hasnt realised he was there that long. I guess that helps explain why he was considered undroppable for so long. It would have taken a gutsy NT manager to do so. I wouldn't say that Ryan's shot-stopping abilities ever really struck me as particularly strong for a goalkeeper at that level. Sweeping, sure. But that's not enough. You guys watch him week in, week out, I think. So you might know better than me. At the end of the day, Australia hasn't got class across the. For that reason, we're especially reliant on a gifted, athletic keeper who is (probably but not necessarily) big. We need a goalkeeper who can pull off the remarkable to keep us in the game. For ages, the tricky question (Is Ryan the best goalkeeper we have?) was pushed out of the way by virtue of the fact that he was in the EPL (regardless of success beyond getting minutes). I think most people on the forum were prepared to accept that he was the best without being particularly critical the 50/50 saves or the very difficult saves. However, it probably would have been better if this hadn't been taken as granted. In the 6 WC matches he has played (while being more-or-less a regular at clubside), he hasn't demonstrated the ability to keep us in games. Now, he's not a regular, so our expectations can only drop further. Yet out of sheer stubbornness and loyalty, he'll get the gloves (despite another performing much better). To reiterate, Maty should still be in the squad for thw WC. But, as our starting goalkeeper, our defence is compromised. Ryan made some incredible saves in the first couple of seasons at Brighton. He kept pulling off these bullshit reflex double saves that endeared him to the Brighton fan base. He dropped off a little bit in his third season, before kind of falling off the cliff in the fourth. But he was genuinely awesome for a good while there. Trouble with double saves are, no matter how exciting, they often come from palming your first save straight onto the foot of the opposition striker That seems to be the trouble with most modern keepers. Probably to do with the speed and swerve of the modern balls. Older keepers either caught the ball or if they didn't turned the ball around the post.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xLangerak shouldn't have gone to Dortmund. But it's much easier to say that in retrospect. When one of the biggests clubs in the world comes calling... He was the kind of guinea pig for goalkeepers going directly from the A-League big football teams in Europe. It could have gone very differently. He made a bad career move (but totally understandable). It has hurt his NT career, unfortunately. And, unfortunately, it has hurt the NT, too. The results in 2014 may have been better with him as goalkeeper, albeit he would have had to hage played out of his skin. For this WC, with Langerak in goals, I would fancy Australia's chances more than i have since 2010. Meanwhile, Ryan has played much more over the years. But he has never really been secure (besides in Brugge). Every big club he's been at, he has had difficulty keeping the goals out and then been dropped to the bench or sought a transfer out. But the idea of loyalty for the NT managers has involved not even considering the possibility that Ryan might not be the best (hence club football patterns). FWIW, Ryan should still be in the squad to go to the WC, just not the XI. Of course, a sensible manager would have just accepted that he made a bad call and looked at how Langerak and Ryan are playing now respecyively. And would try to pick the players most capable of delivering the best results. But no, this is Australia, after all. Not quite right. He played 3 full seasons of EPL at Brighton (17/18 38 games, 18/19 34 games, 19/20 38 games) before losing his place part way through the 20/21 season when he played 11 games. Fair point. I hasnt realised he was there that long. I guess that helps explain why he was considered undroppable for so long. It would have taken a gutsy NT manager to do so. I wouldn't say that Ryan's shot-stopping abilities ever really struck me as particularly strong for a goalkeeper at that level. Sweeping, sure. But that's not enough. You guys watch him week in, week out, I think. So you might know better than me. At the end of the day, Australia hasn't got class across the. For that reason, we're especially reliant on a gifted, athletic keeper who is (probably but not necessarily) big. We need a goalkeeper who can pull off the remarkable to keep us in the game. For ages, the tricky question (Is Ryan the best goalkeeper we have?) was pushed out of the way by virtue of the fact that he was in the EPL (regardless of success beyond getting minutes). I think most people on the forum were prepared to accept that he was the best without being particularly critical the 50/50 saves or the very difficult saves. However, it probably would have been better if this hadn't been taken as granted. In the 6 WC matches he has played (while being more-or-less a regular at clubside), he hasn't demonstrated the ability to keep us in games. Now, he's not a regular, so our expectations can only drop further. Yet out of sheer stubbornness and loyalty, he'll get the gloves (despite another performing much better). To reiterate, Maty should still be in the squad for thw WC. But, as our starting goalkeeper, our defence is compromised. Ryan made some incredible saves in the first couple of seasons at Brighton. He kept pulling off these bullshit reflex double saves that endeared him to the Brighton fan base. He dropped off a little bit in his third season, before kind of falling off the cliff in the fourth. But he was genuinely awesome for a good while there. Trouble with double saves are, no matter how exciting, they often come from palming your first save straight onto the foot of the opposition striker That seems to be the trouble with most modern keepers. Probably to do with the speed and swerve of the modern balls. Older keepers either caught the ball or if they didn't turned the ball around the post. As an old keeper I often wonder about why todays keepers seem to want to parry shots rather than turn it around the post if it’s not catchable. I suspect part of it is due to the speed that modern balls can be hit making it more difficult to catch, as you say, but even then I think that a faster swerving ball would be easier to turn around the post than parry. I wonder if another part of it is a desire to minimise the number of corners conceded. I have a feeling that many modern keepers are deliberately aiming to parry shots toward the sideline. In fact I see some keepers appear to use closed fists to try to get greater distance on the ball when parrying. David De Gea appears to be one who does this quite often.
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+x+x+x+xLangerak shouldn't have gone to Dortmund. But it's much easier to say that in retrospect. When one of the biggests clubs in the world comes calling... He was the kind of guinea pig for goalkeepers going directly from the A-League big football teams in Europe. It could have gone very differently. He made a bad career move (but totally understandable). It has hurt his NT career, unfortunately. And, unfortunately, it has hurt the NT, too. The results in 2014 may have been better with him as goalkeeper, albeit he would have had to hage played out of his skin. For this WC, with Langerak in goals, I would fancy Australia's chances more than i have since 2010. Meanwhile, Ryan has played much more over the years. But he has never really been secure (besides in Brugge). Every big club he's been at, he has had difficulty keeping the goals out and then been dropped to the bench or sought a transfer out. But the idea of loyalty for the NT managers has involved not even considering the possibility that Ryan might not be the best (hence club football patterns). FWIW, Ryan should still be in the squad to go to the WC, just not the XI. Of course, a sensible manager would have just accepted that he made a bad call and looked at how Langerak and Ryan are playing now respecyively. And would try to pick the players most capable of delivering the best results. But no, this is Australia, after all. Not quite right. He played 3 full seasons of EPL at Brighton (17/18 38 games, 18/19 34 games, 19/20 38 games) before losing his place part way through the 20/21 season when he played 11 games. Fair point. I hasnt realised he was there that long. I guess that helps explain why he was considered undroppable for so long. It would have taken a gutsy NT manager to do so. I wouldn't say that Ryan's shot-stopping abilities ever really struck me as particularly strong for a goalkeeper at that level. Sweeping, sure. But that's not enough. You guys watch him week in, week out, I think. So you might know better than me. At the end of the day, Australia hasn't got class across the. For that reason, we're especially reliant on a gifted, athletic keeper who is (probably but not necessarily) big. We need a goalkeeper who can pull off the remarkable to keep us in the game. For ages, the tricky question (Is Ryan the best goalkeeper we have?) was pushed out of the way by virtue of the fact that he was in the EPL (regardless of success beyond getting minutes). I think most people on the forum were prepared to accept that he was the best without being particularly critical the 50/50 saves or the very difficult saves. However, it probably would have been better if this hadn't been taken as granted. In the 6 WC matches he has played (while being more-or-less a regular at clubside), he hasn't demonstrated the ability to keep us in games. Now, he's not a regular, so our expectations can only drop further. Yet out of sheer stubbornness and loyalty, he'll get the gloves (despite another performing much better). To reiterate, Maty should still be in the squad for thw WC. But, as our starting goalkeeper, our defence is compromised. Ryan made some incredible saves in the first couple of seasons at Brighton. He kept pulling off these bullshit reflex double saves that endeared him to the Brighton fan base. He dropped off a little bit in his third season, before kind of falling off the cliff in the fourth. But he was genuinely awesome for a good while there. Yeah I do remember I think it was it first season or second and first game of the season was city, they took a 4-1 beating. But he made some incredible saves, one I do remember was a crazy reaction save to deny Jesus a tap in basically. I think what happen at Brighton really rocked his confidence. If he can get that back he can still perform at the top level imo.
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Maty isn’t injured. He was in FC Copenhagen’s most recent squad. He did have a niggle previously but not anymore.
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Ryan was deservedly the undisputed number 1 for years. After his mediocre stint at Valencia, he played all the time at Genk, Bruges and Brighton. Of course Langerak had no chance of usurping him during that period. Maty has seriously dropped off in recent years though. Since losing his spot at Brighton, he looks more and more like an average journeyman who can’t break through anywhere. Copenhagen is just kind of humiliating for him. If he can’t make that spot his own in Denmark, maybe it’s time to loosen his grip on the Socceroos. Langerak has actually been a faithful servant and a back up for a long time. He deserves to be given a proper chance now that Ryan has so obviously and visibly declined in form and stature.
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+xRyan was deservedly the undisputed number 1 for years. After his mediocre stint at Valencia, he played all the time at Genk, Bruges and Brighton. Of course Langerak had no chance of usurping him during that period. Maty has seriously dropped off in recent years though. Since losing his spot at Brighton, he looks more and more like an average journeyman who can’t break through anywhere. Copenhagen is just kind of humiliating for him. If he can’t make that spot his own in Denmark, maybe it’s time to loosen his grip on the Socceroos. Langerak has actually been a faithful servant and a back up for a long time. He deserves to be given a proper chance now that Ryan has so obviously and visibly declined in form and stature. Not with Arnie running the show. Don't get me wrong I love his passion for Australian football, but the blokes a dead set fucking clown. I've been on the fence with him for some time but picking 2 ok'ish aleague level GK's for the squad with uncertainty around Ryan then setting up Crawley as the potential fall guy just seals my opinion of him.
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The thing is Langerak can easily challenge the No.1 spot unlike Redders and Vuka, but we know they won't disrupt Maty's position as backups.
Clearly the goal keeping coach and Arnie want to keep Many happy especially that he might be captain as well.
Feel for Langerak who probably has been the unluckiest Socceroo in the last 10 years with only 8 caps to boot, but he should have been in the squad whether Arnie is coach or not.
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+xThe thing is Langerak can easily challenge the No.1 spot unlike Redders and Vuka, but we know they won't disrupt Maty's position as backups. Clearly the goal keeping coach and Arnie want to keep Many happy especially that he might be captain as well. Feel for Langerak who probably has been the unluckiest Socceroo in the last 10 years with only 8 caps to boot, but he should have been in the squad whether Arnie is coach or not. If that's the reason it's beyond petty. It would basically confirm why Maty should be on the bench. Leave the superior goalkeeper behind so as not to upset the other goalkeeper who's simply not as good. It's also bloody stupid because if/when he doesn't make the kind of 50/50 saves (while Langerak is back home), his goalkeeping skills are going to be criticised more than ever.
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Plus he was on the bench 66 times or something.
Reality is he is not only much better choice than the other two but also Ryan, who has been poor in every world cup.
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+xPlus he was on the bench 66 times or something. Reality is he is not only much better choice than the other two but also Ryan, who has been poor in every world cup. Whatever your thoughts on Ryan it sucks arse big time that if he gets injured we're rooted.
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+x+xPlus he was on the bench 66 times or something. Reality is he is not only much better choice than the other two but also Ryan, who has been poor in every world cup. Whatever your thoughts on Ryan it sucks arse big time that if he gets injured we're rooted. I can deal with ryan there but as you said if he is injured - it's destructive to have one of the other two
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+x+x+xPlus he was on the bench 66 times or something. Reality is he is not only much better choice than the other two but also Ryan, who has been poor in every world cup. Whatever your thoughts on Ryan it sucks arse big time that if he gets injured we're rooted. I can deal with ryan there but as you said if he is injured - it's destructive to have one of the other two Its not just injury- he could have an absolutely disastrous opening game. Wander what that would do for his feelings for the next match. Both Ryan and Langerak should have been picked but neither should have been a lock to play. Pretty awkward to do when Ryan was made captain.
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+x+x+x+xPlus he was on the bench 66 times or something. Reality is he is not only much better choice than the other two but also Ryan, who has been poor in every world cup. Whatever your thoughts on Ryan it sucks arse big time that if he gets injured we're rooted. I can deal with ryan there but as you said if he is injured - it's destructive to have one of the other two Its not just injury- he could have an absolutely disastrous opening game. Wander what that would do for his feelings for the next match. Both Ryan and Langerak should have been picked but neither should have been a lock to play. Pretty awkward to do when Ryan was made captain. hey he's only facing either Benzema/Griezman/Giroud followed by Dembele who can score from range or then that Mbappe lacky lol....... Piece of cake for Ryan.
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Is it too late for Arnie to cap Oakleigh's 14 year old wonder keeper from the FA cup? Makes about as much sense as anything else.
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hehe, maybe get Bozza out of retirement following a similar course :) Might as well throw in Cahill being he's there and has been training with the squad, he could head most of the shots out lol.....
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Can anyone remember Ryan ever actually winning or saving a game for us?
Just watched 2014 ‘highlights’ vs Chile and Netherlands. A top keeper would expect to save at least 4 of the 6 goals Ryan conceded. Clearly strikers were told to shoot high as Ryan is usually on his knees when shot is taken.
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+xCan anyone remember Ryan ever actually winning or saving a game for us? Just watched 2014 ‘highlights’ vs Chile and Netherlands. A top keeper would expect to save at least 4 of the 6 goals Ryan conceded. Clearly strikers were told to shoot high as Ryan is usually on his knees when shot is taken. I cannot remember a single time were I think he’s saved us against a great team.
He’s concede many sloppy goals at world cups in the past. Sometimes not even moving for the ball.
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+xCan anyone remember Ryan ever actually winning or saving a game for us? Just watched 2014 ‘highlights’ vs Chile and Netherlands. A top keeper would expect to save at least 4 of the 6 goals Ryan conceded. Clearly strikers were told to shoot high as Ryan is usually on his knees when shot is taken. Oh God I remember that falling to his knees before trying to save a high shot so often I think he maybe improved that part of his game over time though?
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Went through timeline of Australia games and remember the ordinary Brazil game for Langerak. Ryan probably hasn't saved or won games. I'm a bit blank. UAE 2018 campaign were both good. Saudi away he stopped the late chance which Milligan kicked away. Japan home a top late save on Kagawa? header. Uzbekistan 2019 of course.
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In J league many goals are scored around 6 yard box - more than many other leagues. France scored mostly in/around 6 yard box! Mitch probably would’ve saved at least 1 of those 4 French goals
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+xIn J league many goals are scored around 6 yard box - more than many other leagues. France scored mostly in/around 6 yard box! Mitch probably would’ve saved at least 1 of those 4 French goals Lmao talk about reaching 😂
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+x+xIn J league many goals are scored around 6 yard box - more than many other leagues. France scored mostly in/around 6 yard box! Mitch probably would’ve saved at least 1 of those 4 French goals Lmao talk about reaching 😂 Ryan really only made 1 save. And playing out from the back all the time contributed to the 2nd french goal. If in doubt he should boot the ball long against top sides
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+xIn J league many goals are scored around 6 yard box - more than many other leagues. France scored mostly in/around 6 yard box! Mitch probably would’ve saved at least 1 of those 4 French goals Maybe. I mean Langerak has had his own blunders in goal too. Cup final vs Wolfsburg wasn't very good. Langerak certainly has the form for the current situation. I guess we'll never know. I suppose debating keepers will always be a thing. It's a very competitive business. Do I wish Ryan would command the box and attempt more of a save? Sure. However, watch the goals conceded at this world cup and you'll see that they can be very difficult to save. 3rd goes in off inside of post. That can't be stopped. The 4th was a fair way to Ryan's side and his mind is definitely more that someone will head clear. Mendy has been made to look a fool twice now and for all the plaudits that guy gets I'd say Ryan doesn't appear all that bad. Martinez, EPL, super tall but couldn't bat the two away.
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Has Maty ever come out for a cross?
It's like at Brighton they trained it out of him because he was so hit and miss and he had 2 massive experienced CBs from memory.
Souttar and rowles need help from a keeper who inspires confidence and commands his area.
The phycological benefit of seeing your keeper leap over the pack to take a cross is MASSIVE
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+xHas Maty ever come out for a cross? It's like at Brighton they trained it out of him because he was so hit and miss and he had 2 massive experienced CBs from memory. Souttar and rowles need help from a keeper who inspires confidence and commands his area. The phycological benefit of seeing your keeper leap over the pack to take a cross is MASSIVE I've often thought (as an AFL follower) why keepers don't do that more often? You see them rooted to the goal line as a header from a lofted cross goes past them. Obviously they all do it so its part of GK coaching, but why?
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+x+xHas Maty ever come out for a cross? It's like at Brighton they trained it out of him because he was so hit and miss and he had 2 massive experienced CBs from memory. Souttar and rowles need help from a keeper who inspires confidence and commands his area. The phycological benefit of seeing your keeper leap over the pack to take a cross is MASSIVE I've often thought (as an AFL follower) why keepers don't do that more often? You see them rooted to the goal line as a header from a lofted cross goes past them. Obviously they all do it so its part of GK coaching, but why? This gets to the heart of the Matt Ryan problem. It is also a big psychological rush as a keeper to come out and get amongst the crowd and collect the ball. With hands, the odds are massively in the Keeper's favour, and it takes a load off the minds of the defenders. As the senior player, that Ryan doesn't help out his defenders is an indictment of his playing credentials. Basically, he shouldn't be there!
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+x+x+xHas Maty ever come out for a cross? It's like at Brighton they trained it out of him because he was so hit and miss and he had 2 massive experienced CBs from memory. Souttar and rowles need help from a keeper who inspires confidence and commands his area. The phycological benefit of seeing your keeper leap over the pack to take a cross is MASSIVE I've often thought (as an AFL follower) why keepers don't do that more often? You see them rooted to the goal line as a header from a lofted cross goes past them. Obviously they all do it so its part of GK coaching, but why? This gets to the heart of the Matt Ryan problem. It is also a big psychological rush as a keeper to come out and get amongst the crowd and collect the ball. With hands, the odds are massively in the Keeper's favour, and it takes a load off the minds of the defenders. As the senior player, that Ryan doesn't help out his defenders is an indictment of his playing credentials. Basically, he shouldn't be there! This is a actually not a Maty Ryan problem. It comes down to the quality of the cross Look at the French crosses in the first game - hard and in an area of uncertainty. Most keepers will have a problem with those. Then compare them to the lofted crosses from deeper that other teams put in.(Wilkshire and Emerton used to do it for Australia). Ryan and most keepers come out and gather those easily. That said Schwarzer let the Japan goal in off one of those long lofted crosses.
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+x+xHas Maty ever come out for a cross? It's like at Brighton they trained it out of him because he was so hit and miss and he had 2 massive experienced CBs from memory. Souttar and rowles need help from a keeper who inspires confidence and commands his area. The phycological benefit of seeing your keeper leap over the pack to take a cross is MASSIVE I've often thought (as an AFL follower) why keepers don't do that more often? You see them rooted to the goal line as a header from a lofted cross goes past them. Obviously they all do it so its part of GK coaching, but why? meh in bold, - is it part of GK coaching ? have you any notes regards that ? afl boundaries are so open compared to our game and no cross bar obviously, hence having players and keeper on the goal line, do you think the keeper should be running out past the 6yard box each time taking the ball like a bloody mark lol...... Every corner is diff and comes down to the keepers natural instinct for some some not, obviously being set on your goal line is the starting point whilst you have your defensive players covering this position that position, its the keepers starting point being on the line but no keeper is going to beat a perfectly timed met cross headed with increased speed into the net no matter he coming out trying to intercept the cross in flight. As we know all players incl keepers have their natural ability or styles, observing keepers like LFC's Allison he commands his area, comes out punchs or takes cross's in full flight, challenges the attacking tall CB's in corners others do as well, for enzo like gayflrs. I've always felt Mat isn't that authoritive/its not in his DNA, Bowden would you agree ? I expect not just curious. Vuka for eg when he was in his peak I thought he looked a beast in commanding his area, I'm not saying he's the right pick for todays WC but about his keeping style being the point of discussion. I feel for Mat for our whole NT is lacking and he's one of the mature ones left dealing with a lame underdone backline - as a player myself all my years in Div1 etc whenever our top regular keeper wasn't on already pre koff you had concerns mentally the game ahead, Mat must be thinking the same inside really about who he has ahead of him. It wouldn't matter Langerak in goal imo. A important key for every keeper is whats in front of him - he's the last resort and either the hero or villian and having a sound reliable backline and defensive mids mentally is win win.
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+x+xHas Maty ever come out for a cross? It's like at Brighton they trained it out of him because he was so hit and miss and he had 2 massive experienced CBs from memory. Souttar and rowles need help from a keeper who inspires confidence and commands his area. The phycological benefit of seeing your keeper leap over the pack to take a cross is MASSIVE I've often thought (as an AFL follower) why keepers don't do that more often? You see them rooted to the goal line as a header from a lofted cross goes past them. Obviously they all do it so its part of GK coaching, but why? My two cents worth as an ex-keeper. A significant difference compared to the older days, say 15-20 plus years ago, is that many crosses these days are more whipped across with speed and bend, rather than floated across. With a fast cross there is often little time for a keeper to get even to the 6 yard line to get to a cross, so it is safer to stay on the line. A floated cross is easier to judge and you have time to get to it, even if it is 10 yards out. I have actually been quite impressed in the past with how Ryan commands his box, I have seen him have games where he does very well with crosses, his judgement, catching and punching ability was top class. I suspect that at Brighton, because he often had 2,3 or 4 massive defenders with him (Dunk, Duffy, Webster, Burn), the instructions from the coaching staff would have been to let the defenders deal with crosses most of the time. I also suspect he has lost some confidence now because being out of favour at his clubs for the past 2 seasons. For the record, I have always been a fan of Mat Ryan, but I think he has regressed over the past season or two. I think he was poor against France, although not because I think he should have come for the crosses, the French crosses were high class and came in at a speed and position that would have made it a big gamble for him to go for him. I think he was poor in his reactions to the shots at goal, often not even moving, and I also think he was poor with his feet, which is supposedly his strength. Some of his short passes were poorly selected (2nd goal especially), given that they were immediately putting us back under pressure, and his long kicking often did not have much distance. He even allowed a relatively easy back pass to run across him and cross the line for a corner.
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+x+x+xHas Maty ever come out for a cross? It's like at Brighton they trained it out of him because he was so hit and miss and he had 2 massive experienced CBs from memory. Souttar and rowles need help from a keeper who inspires confidence and commands his area. The phycological benefit of seeing your keeper leap over the pack to take a cross is MASSIVE I've often thought (as an AFL follower) why keepers don't do that more often? You see them rooted to the goal line as a header from a lofted cross goes past them. Obviously they all do it so its part of GK coaching, but why? I suspect that at Brighton, because he often had 2,3 or 4 massive defenders with him (Dunk, Duffy, Webster, Burn), the instructions from the coaching staff would have been to let the defenders deal with crosses most of the time. I also suspect he has lost some confidence now because being out of favour at his clubs for the past 2 seasons. This was exactly my point, agreed!
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+x+x+xHas Maty ever come out for a cross? It's like at Brighton they trained it out of him because he was so hit and miss and he had 2 massive experienced CBs from memory. Souttar and rowles need help from a keeper who inspires confidence and commands his area. The phycological benefit of seeing your keeper leap over the pack to take a cross is MASSIVE I've often thought (as an AFL follower) why keepers don't do that more often? You see them rooted to the goal line as a header from a lofted cross goes past them. Obviously they all do it so its part of GK coaching, but why? He even allowed a relatively easy back pass to run across him and cross the line for a corner. Oh geez I commented on it live but had forgotten that moment. That's someone completely out of form and with their head not in the game.
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if any manager with fresh eyes at this world cup had the choice out of Ryan and Langeak for their squad....who do folks think they'd go with?
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+xif any manager with fresh eyes at this world cup had the choice out of Ryan and Langeak for their squad....who do folks think they'd go with? Ryan has to play to best of his ability at WCUP- vs France especially! He didn’t have a good game because he hasn’t been playing regularly at club level- too much in/out of lineups and clubs. Langerak the opposite.
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+x+xif any manager with fresh eyes at this world cup had the choice out of Ryan and Langeak for their squad....who do folks think they'd go with? Ryan has to play to best of his ability at WCUP- vs France especially! He didn’t have a good game because he hasn’t been playing regularly at club level- too much in/out of lineups and clubs. Langerak the opposite. you may recall I quoted pre game antother thread??? its made for a keeper MOTM peformance - besides were gonna lose but lose seeing some of our blokes walk off proud as. (Kudos the play for our goal and taken well by Goodwin) As Keeper66 quotes and I did post further back here, you also gain more confidence knowing who in front of you doing the job, in all fairness to Souttar just coming back from the knee and Rowles - heck thats fresh combo and against the French of all things. (forgetting the fail by Arnold selections) As a player for eg, if I knew we had some untried newbies for a huge game I sure wouldn't be feeling confident no matter how much pre mind games staff are drumming up. Ryan had to have been feeling shit on top of not enough game time, all the training in the world does not similate real game time conditions under the pump. Langerak no point mentioning, its out of the equation now much like I still would have had Sains on board.
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+xif any manager with fresh eyes at this world cup had the choice out of Ryan and Langeak for their squad....who do folks think they'd go with? It depends on how the manager wants the team to play. If he needs a sweeper keeper that can set up play then he would go for Ryan. If he needs to bolster his defence and let the keeper release the ball to the nearest free player or boot it upfield then he would go for Langerak. The issue for the manager is that the style he wants to play needs to be subject to the abilities of the players he has available. It is no use picking a style the he is comfortable with if it doesn't bring the best out of the players he has available.
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+x+xif any manager with fresh eyes at this world cup had the choice out of Ryan and Langeak for their squad....who do folks think they'd go with? It depends on how the manager wants the team to play. Concede the lowest amount of goals.
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+x+x+xif any manager with fresh eyes at this world cup had the choice out of Ryan and Langeak for their squad....who do folks think they'd go with? It depends on how the manager wants the team to play. Concede the lowest amount of goals. That is only one of the things a team tries to do. In regards to the result against France I don't think Langerak would have made one iota difference. When a world class player is allowed to take his "strike" from in front of goal just outside the 6 yard box under very little or no pressure then the only reason a goal won't be scored is if the striker makes a mistake that allows the keeper to save or the shot misses the goal. Fortunately for us the French strikers made 4 or 5 of them. The question that needs to be answered is why when we were competing well our defence fell back to the edge of the penalty area and allowed the skilful French players to tear us to shreds? Similarly, on the occasions that our defenders did get control of the ball why did we resort to hoofing it back to the French on half way instead of playing the ball to players that had moved into space or utilising the previous tactic of a long diagonal pass to a wide player well into our attacking half?
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+x+xif any manager with fresh eyes at this world cup had the choice out of Ryan and Langeak for their squad....who do folks think they'd go with? It depends on how the manager wants the team to play. If he needs a sweeper keeper that can set up play then he would go for Ryan. If he needs to bolster his defence and let the keeper release the ball to the nearest free player or boot it upfield then he would go for Langerak.The issue for the manager is that the style he wants to play needs to be subject to the abilities of the players he has available. It is no use picking a style the he is comfortable with if it doesn't bring the best out of the players he has available. We ceded possession in all 4 of our games, soaked up pressure and played on the counter. And IMO, it was very appropriate for Arnold to do that given the abilities of the players he had available But did he need a sweeper keeper to play that way?
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+x+x+xif any manager with fresh eyes at this world cup had the choice out of Ryan and Langeak for their squad....who do folks think they'd go with? It depends on how the manager wants the team to play. If he needs a sweeper keeper that can set up play then he would go for Ryan. If he needs to bolster his defence and let the keeper release the ball to the nearest free player or boot it upfield then he would go for Langerak.The issue for the manager is that the style he wants to play needs to be subject to the abilities of the players he has available. It is no use picking a style the he is comfortable with if it doesn't bring the best out of the players he has available. We ceded possession in all 4 of our games, soaked up pressure and played on the counter. And IMO, it was very appropriate for Arnold to do that given the abilities of the players he had available But did he need a sweeper keeper to play that way? Probably. Passing it around the back with Ryan at the base was often the only way we got hold of the ball for any sustained periods. Whenever we hoofed it, it just came back. Having Ryan as the sweeper at least occasionally gave us that bit of control. It's a moot point anyway. Langerak would not have played even if had made the squad, and apart from the error today, Ryan was OK after the France game.
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+x+x+x+xif any manager with fresh eyes at this world cup had the choice out of Ryan and Langeak for their squad....who do folks think they'd go with? It depends on how the manager wants the team to play. If he needs a sweeper keeper that can set up play then he would go for Ryan. If he needs to bolster his defence and let the keeper release the ball to the nearest free player or boot it upfield then he would go for Langerak.The issue for the manager is that the style he wants to play needs to be subject to the abilities of the players he has available. It is no use picking a style the he is comfortable with if it doesn't bring the best out of the players he has available. We ceded possession in all 4 of our games, soaked up pressure and played on the counter. And IMO, it was very appropriate for Arnold to do that given the abilities of the players he had available But did he need a sweeper keeper to play that way? Having Ryan as the sweeper at least occasionally gave us that bit of control.
What the hell does that mean?
All keepers today play with the same set of skills.Some do it better than others
what is different is what the trainers play style is and instructions.
All keepers can pass a ball left or right or to any open field player.They can all lob pinpoint shots to selected players and they can all walk out of their boxes to counter a through ball.
I don’t see ever Ryan playing like a true sweeper who is technically out of their box acting as an extra field player.
.A team usually uses a sweeper because they believe they can score more goals with an extra field player and gamble away the defence on a goal line.
There is no true sweeper keeper in Professional football.
You’ll see it more likely in indoors were they remove the keeper and replace him with a field player and use that extra players passing a technical skill to outnumber the other team.
I’ve only really seen it in Junior Academies upto age U13 when a good field player has ok goalkeeping skills and is preferred over a traditional keeper.
Once the boys move onto the large goals they prefer defensive line keepers with good left and right feet.
That era of a goalkeeper just staying on his line is long gone.
All keepers today can sweep the ball. What has changed is the box rules.
It’s now safer for keepers to restart play from the back with two defenders standing inside the box on either side of the keeper.
So if you see a keeper just kicking long goal kicks then that comes from the trainer.
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Clean sheet against Roma
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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Two good saves by Maty at the end. While the error is unforgiveable Foster is right. We go back when we should, Ryan shouldn't take a touch, plenty of players do it. Absolute millisecond is all you need and here Ryan lost out.
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+xTwo good saves by Maty at the end. While the error is unforgiveable Foster is right. We go back when we should, Ryan shouldn't take a touch, plenty of players do it. Absolute millisecond is all you need and here Ryan lost out. If we are at 1-1 rather than 1-2, we are not sacrificing defence so those two saves are not required.
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+xTwo good saves by Maty at the end. While the error is unforgiveable Foster is right. We go back when we should, Ryan shouldn't take a touch, plenty of players do it. Absolute millisecond is all you need and here Ryan lost out. Even after the touch he could have poked it away desperately instead of trying to be cocky after one good sweeper moment earlier.
Both those good saves were good but fairly regulation let’s be honest
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+x+xTwo good saves by Maty at the end. While the error is unforgiveable Foster is right. We go back when we should, Ryan shouldn't take a touch, plenty of players do it. Absolute millisecond is all you need and here Ryan lost out. Even after the touch he could have poked it away desperately instead of trying to be cocky after one good sweeper moment earlier.
Both those good saves were good but fairly regulation let’s be honest Yeah just toe it. This is what gripes me so much. If Ryan saves, it was easy. If he concedes, he should've gotten to it. The advantage of all this football at once shows how many keepers concede yet the book doesn't get thrown at them like Ryan and it angers me so much. Tall keepers not getting to it, Neuer feigning away, the stuff De Gea has gotten away with at club level. Despite Ryan's dip, he's still very good pound for pound.
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+x+x+xTwo good saves by Maty at the end. While the error is unforgiveable Foster is right. We go back when we should, Ryan shouldn't take a touch, plenty of players do it. Absolute millisecond is all you need and here Ryan lost out. Even after the touch he could have poked it away desperately instead of trying to be cocky after one good sweeper moment earlier.
Both those good saves were good but fairly regulation let’s be honest Yeah just toe it. This is what gripes me so much. If Ryan saves, it was easy. If he concedes, he should've gotten to it. Ftr I never blamed him for the first goal and praised him the last two games so this isn’t quite correct here. The 2nd goal wasn’t “one he should have gotten to” it was a brain explosion. It’s fine. It is what it is and I could never handle the pressure either but let’s not sugar coat it. There’s no point in that at all
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+x+x+x+xTwo good saves by Maty at the end. While the error is unforgiveable Foster is right. We go back when we should, Ryan shouldn't take a touch, plenty of players do it. Absolute millisecond is all you need and here Ryan lost out. Even after the touch he could have poked it away desperately instead of trying to be cocky after one good sweeper moment earlier.
Both those good saves were good but fairly regulation let’s be honest Yeah just toe it. This is what gripes me so much. If Ryan saves, it was easy. If he concedes, he should've gotten to it. Ftr I never blamed him for the first goal and praised him the last two games so this isn’t quite correct here. The 2nd goal wasn’t “one he should have gotten to” it was a brain explosion. It’s fine. It is what it is and I could never handle the pressure either but let’s not sugar coat it. There’s no point in that at all If you have a careful look it wasn't a brain explosion at all. It was a skill error that led to a difficult choice for him. His heavy touch took the ball in the direction of the attacker to the point where if Ryan tried to clear it up field with his left foot it would hit the attacker and the rebound could go anywhere including back into the goal. His second alternative was to sweep the ball clear with his right foot with a risk that he would bring the attacker down. His third alternative was what he attempted which was to take the ball around the first attacker and then clear the ball. Unfortunately, the second attacker was too close and stole the ball off him. I don't think the situation would have been difficult at all if Ryan didn't have the heavy touch. As a keeper myself, a long time ago, I wouldn't have allowed the ball to reach the area in front of the goal. I would have moved towards the ball and side footed it with my right foot firmly in the air back in the direction it came from but I guess we knew nothing about playing out from the back in those days.
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+x+x+x+x+xTwo good saves by Maty at the end. While the error is unforgiveable Foster is right. We go back when we should, Ryan shouldn't take a touch, plenty of players do it. Absolute millisecond is all you need and here Ryan lost out. Even after the touch he could have poked it away desperately instead of trying to be cocky after one good sweeper moment earlier.
Both those good saves were good but fairly regulation let’s be honest Yeah just toe it. This is what gripes me so much. If Ryan saves, it was easy. If he concedes, he should've gotten to it. Ftr I never blamed him for the first goal and praised him the last two games so this isn’t quite correct here. The 2nd goal wasn’t “one he should have gotten to” it was a brain explosion. It’s fine. It is what it is and I could never handle the pressure either but let’s not sugar coat it. There’s no point in that at all If you have a careful look it wasn't a brain explosion at all. It was a skill error that led to a difficult choice for him. His heavy touch took the ball in the direction of the attacker to the point where if Ryan tried to clear it up field with his left foot it would hit the attacker and the rebound could go anywhere including back into the goal. His second alternative was to sweep the ball clear with his right foot with a risk that he would bring the attacker down. His third alternative was what he attempted which was to take the ball around the first attacker and then clear the ball. Unfortunately, the second attacker was too close and stole the ball off him. I don't think the situation would have been difficult at all if Ryan didn't have the heavy touch. As a keeper myself, a long time ago, I wouldn't have allowed the ball to reach the area in front of the goal. I would have moved towards the ball and side footed it with my right foot firmly in the air back in the direction it came from but I guess we knew nothing about playing out from the back in those days. Yep, agree with this, his attempt to touch the ball around the player was what he considered his best option, remembering the decision is made in a fraction of a second, after a slightly heavy first touch combined with extremely fast closing down by the first attacker. Was it an error? Yes. Is it unique to Mat Ryan? No. It has happened to pretty much all top class keepers at some time, and will continue to happen. This type of situation happens to outfield players multiple times per game. Unfortunately the consequences are different when it happens to a keeper every now and then. The over the top stuff that has been sprouted on here about this error by some of you people is sickening.
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+x+x+xTwo good saves by Maty at the end. While the error is unforgiveable Foster is right. We go back when we should, Ryan shouldn't take a touch, plenty of players do it. Absolute millisecond is all you need and here Ryan lost out. Even after the touch he could have poked it away desperately instead of trying to be cocky after one good sweeper moment earlier.
Both those good saves were good but fairly regulation let’s be honest Yeah just toe it. This is what gripes me so much. If Ryan saves, it was easy. If he concedes, he should've gotten to it. The advantage of all this football at once shows how many keepers concede yet the book doesn't get thrown at them like Ryan and it angers me so much. Tall keepers not getting to it, Neuer feigning away, the stuff De Gea has gotten away with at club level. Despite Ryan's dip, he's still very good pound for pound. Agree. Just in this game, Emi Martinez got shut down by Duke, when pressured by him, and Duke blocked his clearance. A few millimetres more and the block goes into a much more dangerous place rather than out of play.
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+x+x+x+xTwo good saves by Maty at the end. While the error is unforgiveable Foster is right. We go back when we should, Ryan shouldn't take a touch, plenty of players do it. Absolute millisecond is all you need and here Ryan lost out. Even after the touch he could have poked it away desperately instead of trying to be cocky after one good sweeper moment earlier.
Both those good saves were good but fairly regulation let’s be honest Yeah just toe it. This is what gripes me so much. If Ryan saves, it was easy. If he concedes, he should've gotten to it. The advantage of all this football at once shows how many keepers concede yet the book doesn't get thrown at them like Ryan and it angers me so much. Tall keepers not getting to it, Neuer feigning away, the stuff De Gea has gotten away with at club level. Despite Ryan's dip, he's still very good pound for pound. Agree. Just in this game, Emi Martinez got shut down by Duke, when pressured by him, and Duke blocked his clearance. A few millimetres more and the block goes into a much more dangerous place rather than out of play. But he didn’t try to dribble Duke did he. Anyway
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+x+xTwo good saves by Maty at the end. While the error is unforgiveable Foster is right. We go back when we should, Ryan shouldn't take a touch, plenty of players do it. Absolute millisecond is all you need and here Ryan lost out. Even after the touch he could have poked it away desperately instead of trying to be cocky after one good sweeper moment earlier.
Both those good saves were good but fairly regulation let’s be honest Are you aware of the Behich's and Soutter's touch? Or di it miraculously fall on Ryan's dick 15 seconds after he distributed it (2 players pressing).
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This is the easiest thread to bump lol
I have never been the biggest fan of Ryan but on the whole he has had a decent WC for a player who warms the pine in Denmark.
The issue for us moving forward is if we want to be a team that plays out from the back, then distro is imperative.
Langerak, like Ryan, is looking into the past/present.
I am not really across our up-and-coming Goalkeeping stocks but we need to look forward.
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+xThis is the easiest thread to bump lol I have never been the biggest fan of Ryan but on the whole he has had a decent WC for a player who warms the pine in Denmark. The issue for us moving forward is if we want to be a team that plays out from the back, then distro is imperative. Langerak, like Ryan, is looking into the past/present. I am not really across our up-and-coming Goalkeeping stocks but we need to look forward. Vukovic and Redmayne probably will bow out now. Ryan will remain for a while, Langerak has never been great and distribution, and is also around 34. Try him in friendlies against top teams before the Asian Cup. The pick of the youngsters seems to be Gauci. Glover is not the answer. To my mind it looks like Arnold was looking at Souttar and Rowles for the CBs from the Olympics. Maybe the smarter move was to have an overage Ryan at the Olympics with them to get the combinations to together. With Harry's ACL injury there really hasn't been the chance to develop the GK, CB combos.
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Are you Kunts really trying to play a hard 2 pass press, that could have been diffused at 5 points in the play, on the player who got lobbed with the hospital pass at the end of it????
Pull you heads in parrots....
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This was the game where we needed that one from Ryan where we go ‘he saved our bacon’ unfortunately it’s just never happened. He had an ok tournament before tonight but he’s done nothing no other goal keeper would not be able to do and made mistakes others wouldn’t.
We really needed him tonight
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I really can't believe Grabara's tweet gloating over Maty's mistake. How is it acceptable to keep slamming your teammate in public like that? What kind of club is Copenhagen if he wasn't told to pull his head in after last time?
But wow, what a psycho. I hope he breaks his face again.
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+xI really can't believe Grabara's tweet gloating over Maty's mistake. How is it acceptable to keep slamming your teammate in public like that? What kind of club is Copenhagen if he wasn't told to pull his head in after last time? But wow, what a psycho. I hope he breaks his face again. Yeah that was gross. I may have lost my mind as a fan this morning but I would never do that. Why would any team want him around?
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+xI really can't believe Grabara's tweet gloating over Maty's mistake. How is it acceptable to keep slamming your teammate in public like that? What kind of club is Copenhagen if he wasn't told to pull his head in after last time? But wow, what a psycho. I hope he breaks his face again. It’s really is incredible when a complete nobody in football like Grabara can come out with a tweet like that. He must suffer from delusions of grandeur.
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+x+xI really can't believe Grabara's tweet gloating over Maty's mistake. How is it acceptable to keep slamming your teammate in public like that? What kind of club is Copenhagen if he wasn't told to pull his head in after last time? But wow, what a psycho. I hope he breaks his face again. It’s really is incredible when a complete nobody in football like Grabara can come out with a tweet like that. He must suffer from delusions of grandeur. I think Maty Ryan will need to be held by a security guard or teammates when they see each other again... Very poor taste by he's teammate.
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I’d flatten him if I was Maty
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+xI’d flatten him if I was Maty I’d flatten him as myself. What a disgusting piece of shit.
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+x+xI’d flatten him if I was Maty I’d flatten him as myself. What a disgusting piece of shit. More of a pathetic piece of shit than anything. A complete failure at Premier league level, which Many has actually achieved something at. 3rd or 4th choice for Poland. Wow!!!! Clearly he has some genuine insecurities
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It’s like no keeper understands the concept of passing or something. Ffs every keeper can pass the ball.
What can ryan do so well that others can’t? Genuine question.
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+xIt’s like no keeper understands the concept of passing or something. Ffs every keeper can pass the ball.
What can ryan do so well that others can’t? Genuine question. I used to think his distribution was better than most, but this seems to have fallen off a little. He used to do these neat long passes to the wings that would almost always find their targets, but now he misses as often as he hits.
From what I remember of Langerak, he was more a safety first keeper. I don’t remember much intricate play from the back with him.
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+x+xIt’s like no keeper understands the concept of passing or something. Ffs every keeper can pass the ball.
What can ryan do so well that others can’t? Genuine question. I used to think his distribution was better than most, but this seems to have fallen off a little. He used to do these neat long passes to the wings that would almost always find their targets, but now he misses as often as he hits.
From what I remember of Langerak, he was more a safety first keeper. I don’t remember much intricate play from the back with him. Langerak is a commanding GK with a phenomenal wingspan and cheetah like reflexes but I have never known him to be good with his feet. When playing out from the back is an imperative, it’s key that your GK is also a Libero.
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+x+xIt’s like no keeper understands the concept of passing or something. Ffs every keeper can pass the ball.
What can ryan do so well that others can’t? Genuine question. I used to think his distribution was better than most, but this seems to have fallen off a little. He used to do these neat long passes to the wings that would almost always find their targets, but now he misses as often as he hits.
From what I remember of Langerak, he was more a safety first keeper. I don’t remember much intricate play from the back with him. I haven’t watched Langerak in ages play but I can imagine he isn’t the goalkeeper we once saw many years ago. He wouldn’t be getting the applause in the J league today if he wasn’t constantly preforming at the highest level. He played great at Stuttgart prior to moving to Japan.
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Apparently Ryan’s agent said Ryan will be looking for a move away from Copenhagen in the next transfer period.
Beşiktaş was good for Loris Sven Karius.
Turkey maybe be an option to rebuild Ryans reputation and get the play time he needs.
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+xApparently Ryan’s agent said Ryan will be looking for a move away from Copenhagen in the next transfer period. Beşiktaş was good for Loris Sven Karius. Turkey maybe be an option to rebuild Ryans reputation and get the play time he needs. Ryan had his Karius moment last night. I hate pitting our keepers against each other but that's sport with a single position in a team. No footage but I remember Langerak doing something similar to lose the game late against Hannover. The Brazil friendly and Iraq away game has plenty showing Langerak also got caught out with the national team. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9NsLCENI6mwhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7CgeOsUZpsESome will say that's all in the past yet there's no way Ryan was going to be displaced in the now after having led the team all this time. Arnold stuck with what he knew, which is a fairly common thing.
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+x+xApparently Ryan’s agent said Ryan will be looking for a move away from Copenhagen in the next transfer period. Beşiktaş was good for Loris Sven Karius. Turkey maybe be an option to rebuild Ryans reputation and get the play time he needs. Ryan had his Karius moment last night. I hate pitting our keepers against each other but that's sport with a single position in a team. No footage but I remember Langerak doing something similar to lose the game late against Hannover. The Brazil friendly and Iraq away game has plenty showing Langerak also got caught out with the national team. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9NsLCENI6mwhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7CgeOsUZpsESome will say that's all in the past yet there's no way Ryan was going to be displaced in the now after having led the team all this time. Arnold stuck with what he knew, which is a fairly common thing. There is absolutely nothing to be gained with "shoulda coulda and woulda" at this stage. What is a fact is Ryan lead the stats for most clean sheets for an Australian goalkeeper at the World Cup.
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+x+x+xApparently Ryan’s agent said Ryan will be looking for a move away from Copenhagen in the next transfer period. Beşiktaş was good for Loris Sven Karius. Turkey maybe be an option to rebuild Ryans reputation and get the play time he needs. Ryan had his Karius moment last night. I hate pitting our keepers against each other but that's sport with a single position in a team. No footage but I remember Langerak doing something similar to lose the game late against Hannover. The Brazil friendly and Iraq away game has plenty showing Langerak also got caught out with the national team. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9NsLCENI6mwhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7CgeOsUZpsESome will say that's all in the past yet there's no way Ryan was going to be displaced in the now after having led the team all this time. Arnold stuck with what he knew, which is a fairly common thing. There is absolutely nothing to be gained with "shoulda coulda and woulda" at this stage. What is a fact is Ryan lead the stats for most clean sheets for an Australian goalkeeper at the World Cup. Agree with a lot of this. Despite my fristration with him at times
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+x+x+xApparently Ryan’s agent said Ryan will be looking for a move away from Copenhagen in the next transfer period. Beşiktaş was good for Loris Sven Karius. Turkey maybe be an option to rebuild Ryans reputation and get the play time he needs. Ryan had his Karius moment last night. I hate pitting our keepers against each other but that's sport with a single position in a team. No footage but I remember Langerak doing something similar to lose the game late against Hannover. The Brazil friendly and Iraq away game has plenty showing Langerak also got caught out with the national team. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9NsLCENI6mwhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7CgeOsUZpsESome will say that's all in the past yet there's no way Ryan was going to be displaced in the now after having led the team all this time. Arnold stuck with what he knew, which is a fairly common thing. There is absolutely nothing to be gained with "shoulda coulda and woulda" at this stage. What is a fact is Ryan lead the stats for most clean sheets for an Australian goalkeeper at the World Cup. That's right yet everyone's getting on the told ya so bus and it's insufferable. We simply don't know and never will. One final word. Langerak passed up opportunity and the Covid argument doesn't stick as Taggart and Duke got around it. What can be said is 'well Mitch, you did opt out a time which doesn't help your case.' Anyway we've just ended our most successful world cup ever. Hearts said yes and heads so now. How great it has been. Plenty of time to discuss all the matters.
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+x+x+xApparently Ryan’s agent said Ryan will be looking for a move away from Copenhagen in the next transfer period. Beşiktaş was good for Loris Sven Karius. Turkey maybe be an option to rebuild Ryans reputation and get the play time he needs. Ryan had his Karius moment last night. I hate pitting our keepers against each other but that's sport with a single position in a team. No footage but I remember Langerak doing something similar to lose the game late against Hannover. The Brazil friendly and Iraq away game has plenty showing Langerak also got caught out with the national team. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9NsLCENI6mwhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7CgeOsUZpsESome will say that's all in the past yet there's no way Ryan was going to be displaced in the now after having led the team all this time. Arnold stuck with what he knew, which is a fairly common thing. What is a fact is Ryan lead the stats for most clean sheets for an Australian goalkeeper at the World Cup. It's a pretty small sample size. Not that it really means anything, but you can also say he's slipped the most goals of any Australian keeper at the world cup. I think it's pretty simple - Langerak would have saved the first and the second wouldn't have happened. I have doubts whether the result would have changed for us (because they would have kept coming and we wouldn't have pushed so hard), but it certainly would have helped us along.
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The problem I have with Langerak is for a large portion of his career he was happy to warm the pine at Dortmund when he was never ever going to get the #1 under Klopp.
It sort of felt like Mitch was happy to just collect his paycheck whilst sitting on the bench.
Whereas Ryan has constantly pushed himself. The ultimate professional. He may not be the Goalkeeper we were all hoping for, but his leadership sets an example to the rest of the team.
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+xThe problem I have with Langerak is for a large portion of his career he was happy to warm the pine at Dortmund when he was never ever going to get the #1 under Klopp. It sort of felt like Mitch was happy to just collect his paycheck whilst sitting on the bench. Whereas Ryan has constantly pushed himself. The ultimate professional. He may not be the Goalkeeper we were all hoping for, but his leadership sets an example to the rest of the team. Langerak was a decade late. He was in the league during the time of peak keepers. There are a lot now at German clubs where I just shake my head. Kobel is just another hyped up one. Burki was the same. Error after error but they're 'cool guys.' Langerak made some ridiculous career decisions and was also victim of stupid calls by his clubs. Stuttgart had the Polish keeper who kept getting found out. Langerak finally got the chance and did well in the second division. Stuttgart then brought in Zieler who didn't particularly justify his purchase.
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