The Statistics Behind The Non Selection Of Mitchell Langerak


The Statistics Behind The Non Selection Of Mitchell Langerak

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Enzo Bearzot - 13 Nov 2022 7:30 PM


sub007 - 13 Nov 2022 7:13 PM


So what's a good reason?

I guarantee if Volpato progresses and says he was wants to play for us, the new manager will open him with open arms, as he should,

They probably would but I don’t agree with it.
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Derider - 13 Nov 2022 7:26 PM
johnszasz - 13 Nov 2022 6:17 PM

 Vukovic has been poor all season. But what happened today? Did he make a few howlers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ThwlT4cRs

Rough day. Last goal straight through him too.
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Oh dear. I saw the goals Vukovic let in. The first was a straight up howler and could be forgiven as an aberration, but the other two were incredibly soft. His reflexes seem to have deserted him. It’s a sick joke we’re taking that to the world cup over the best keeper in the jleague. There’s no possible excuse. Langerak could and should have been forgiven on account of covid. I was annoyed when he “retired” too, but taking not one but two shocking keepers is cutting off your nose to spite your face. It’s an unbelievably moronic decision from Arnold and Crawley. 
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Enzo Bearzot - 13 Nov 2022 7:22 PM
Langerak would likely not have accepted all. that

If true you've inadvertently confirmed why Langerak shouldn't be in the squad

(VAR) IS NAVY BLUE

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If Ryan is Arnie number 1. He will be playing all 3 games. We shouldn't worry about the 2nd or 3rd keepers.
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What’s going on with Ryan anyway? Has anyone heard anything? He’s not even made the bench lately. Is he injured? If so, the decision to leave out Langerak simply beggars belief. If Vukovic has to start against France, Arnie should be sacked on the spot.
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sub007 - 13 Nov 2022 6:23 PM
If you choose not to play for the country during qualifying, you don’t deserve to to go the World Cup, simple as that.


I agree but that is not a rule set by the team so invalid point and you choose your best players,

Lets not for get THEY approached him to change his mind. So that makes the point irrelevant.
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sydneyfc1987 - 13 Nov 2022 7:48 PM
Enzo Bearzot - 13 Nov 2022 7:22 PM

If true you've inadvertently confirmed why Langerak shouldn't be in the squad

How so? Langerak  was asked to come out of retirement and he did.  Why should Langerak accept Ryan being locked in as No 1?  Selection should be based on form.

Hiddink benched Schwarzer after his poor Japan game in 2006.  Will Arnold bench Ryan after a poor game?




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mark_000au - 13 Nov 2022 7:50 PM
If Ryan is Arnie number 1. He will be playing all 3 games. We shouldn't worry about the 2nd or 3rd keepers.


Same was true for Schwarzer in 2006.  But he was benched after the Japan game.  What if Ryan has a 'mare against France?

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Enzo Bearzot - 13 Nov 2022 8:02 PM
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Hiddink benched Schwarzer after his poor Japan game in 2006.  Will Arnold bench Ryan after a poor game?




That was a shocking call by Hiddink lol. Almost cost us getting out of the group. Kalac looked completely lost against Croatia.
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Enzo Bearzot - 13 Nov 2022 7:22 PM
Vukovic has basically said he got picked because he made himself available for the qualifiers and that he also accepted Ryan is locked in as No1 and that he will not play unless Ryan is injured ( that and because Ryan is captain)

Langerak would likely not have accepted all. that

I saw Vukovic's comment about making himself available during qualifying. Haven't seen where he said Mat Ryan indisputable #1 - was that also on Twitter?
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ctrl - 13 Nov 2022 8:17 PM
Enzo Bearzot - 13 Nov 2022 7:22 PM

I saw Vukovic's comment about making himself available during qualifying. Haven't seen where he said Mat Ryan indisputable #1 - was that also on Twitter?

Nah it was an interview. 

“He’s our captain, he’s not let the country down really ever,” Vukovic said of Ryan.

“Initially (Redmayne and I) will play a supporting role but also make sure that, if called upon, we’re ready to step in and do a good job.”



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Absolutely woeful by Vukovic today. 1st goal he conceded was an absolutely diabolical mistake. 2nd he failed to even react and was a complete statue. 3rd he was beaten easily at the near post. This is getting more farcical by the day. 

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quickflick - 12 Nov 2022 5:30 PM
They can't prevent every goal. And it's not their fault if it goes in. The expectation, at the highest level, is that the goalkeeper finds a way to do the remarkable thing and save them.

Ryan hasn't demonstrated this ability. And now, isn't even playing regularly.  Precisely the reason previously used to justify his selection over Langerak.

Speaking of that, I still think it was a missed opportunity not to get Jamie Young into the national team a few years ago. The dude was consistently making those kind of miraculous saves.

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Derider - 13 Nov 2022 8:26 PM
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Nah it was an interview. 

“He’s our captain, he’s not let the country down really ever,” Vukovic said of Ryan.

“Initially (Redmayne and I) will play a supporting role but also make sure that, if called upon, we’re ready to step in and do a good job.”



In other words, they are there as a cheer squad for Ryan. 
'go Maty, go Maty, rah rah rah'
FFS 
I didn't think mydislike of Arnold's "coaching" could intensify, but there you go. 
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Been away for a few days so haven't been keeping up so excuse me if this was covered already.

How the fuck is Vukovic on the plane to Qatar based on today's effort?


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Derider - 13 Nov 2022 8:05 PM
Enzo Bearzot - 13 Nov 2022 8:02 PM

That was a shocking call by Hiddink lol. Almost cost us getting out of the group. Kalac looked completely lost against Croatia.

Hiddink wasn’t to know Kalac put money on the other team (jeez … alledgely). 
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Derider - 13 Nov 2022 8:26 PM
ctrl - 13 Nov 2022 8:17 PM

Nah it was an interview. 

“He’s our captain, he’s not let the country down really ever,” Vukovic said of Ryan


I guess they’re hoping everyone has forgotten the WC14 games against Chile and the Netherlands. If Langerak plays those games I reckon Ange gets 4 pts in the Group.

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verrelli - 13 Nov 2022 8:51 PM
Absolutely woeful by Vukovic today. 1st goal he conceded was an absolutely diabolical mistake. 2nd he failed to even react and was a complete statue. 3rd he was beaten easily at the near post. This is getting more farcical by the day. 

Yep. Worst goal keeping I’ve seen in AL for years. ALL 3 goals were stoppable. If Ryan is injured I think after today I’d prefer Redmayne over Vukovic
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sub007 - 13 Nov 2022 6:23 PM
If you choose not to play for the country during qualifying, you don’t deserve to to go the World Cup, simple as that.

I don’t care how good you are.

Picking him sets a precedent of allowing players to pick and choose when to play for the national team and it cheapens the shirt. Playing for Australia is a privilege, not a right.

Couldn't agree more.


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quickflick - 13 Nov 2022 6:11 PM
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Those last two lines from me were a bit much. Sorry if they were too rough, Bowden.

Your opinion is valid and is shared by lots of people in the Australian football community. Totally fine to express it. Hopefully, through discussions such as these we all learn to consider the opinions and perspectives of others. I think that improves us. But yeah, I'll try to be more civil with my words.

You’re all good man, no worries. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.

Fwiw, Langerak being able to challenge for Maty’s position has nothing to do with it, as I’m certain Maty would have started all the matches anyway as he’s proven to be the better keeper at NT level over many years. This is about my dislike of the shirt being devalued.

You’ll see plenty of my previous posts sharing similar sentiment towards Rogic, Leckie, Maclaren and Volpato for their similar actions. Imo representing your country should be the highest honour that you would never say no to. That purity is why I’m such a huge fan of national team football ahead of club football. 

Everyone has their opinions, and this is mine. I hate seeing national teams treated like this by players. 

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And add blokes who've never stepped foot in the country and get picked.

Ridiculous.


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sub007 - 13 Nov 2022 6:23 PM
Picking him sets a precedent of allowing players to pick and choose when to play for the national team and it cheapens the shirt. Playing for Australia is a privilege, not a right.

Yep 100%. This is one of my biggest fears with taking a lenient stance to players refusing call-ups. 
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Bowden - 13 Nov 2022 10:21 PM
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Yep 100%. This is one of my biggest fears with taking a lenient stance to players refusing call-ups. 

Ok this makes no sense at all. It's a football team, not a court of law. You select players on a case by case basis. No coach is obliged or expected to follow "precedents".

And here we are, going to the world cup with a declining, hobbled Ryan and two third choice keepers. But no, we can't be creating a "precedent" by including our one and only in-form keeper in the 26 man squad. It's insane. There is no other conclusion than Arnold is a fucking moron. 
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A question to those who want Langerak in the side, can he play the sweeper keeper role? Does he play that role in Japan?

I have only seen him when he played a season as Victory's keeper and in the few occasions that he got a run with the Socceroos.  In that time Ange went with Ryan in WC2014, van Marwijk left Langerak out of the WC2018 squad, and Arnold went with Ryan right from the start.
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Uncanny every time Ryan starts to cop a lot of stick, lots of keepers have a howler of a weekend. Emi Martinez just now. 
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Flytox - 13 Nov 2022 11:03 PM
A question to those who want Langerak in the side, can he play the sweeper keeper role? Does he play that role in Japan?

I have only seen him when he played a season as Victory's keeper and in the few occasions that he got a run with the Socceroos.  In that time Ange went with Ryan in WC2014, van Marwijk left Langerak out of the WC2018 squad, and Arnold went with Ryan right from the start.

No he didn't play as sweeper keeper at Nagoya.  
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Munrubenmuz - 13 Nov 2022 10:17 PM
sub007 - 13 Nov 2022 6:23 PM

Couldn't agree more.

Yeah sure, but why ask him to come out of retirement then? 

It’s not like he went to them.  

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Bowden - 13 Nov 2022 10:21 PM
sub007 - 13 Nov 2022 6:23 PM

Yep 100%. This is one of my biggest fears with taking a lenient stance to players refusing call-ups. 


Really?  My biggest fear is being embarrassed on the world stage.  The only thing I care about is having the best players going out there and performing when they have the shirt on.  I'll save the moralizing for things that really matter.

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Flytox - 13 Nov 2022 11:03 PM
A question to those who want Langerak in the side, can he play the sweeper keeper role? Does he play that role in Japan?

I have only seen him when he played a season as Victory's keeper and in the few occasions that he got a run with the Socceroos.  In that time Ange went with Ryan in WC2014, van Marwijk left Langerak out of the WC2018 squad, and Arnold went with Ryan right from the start.

The playing our from the back is suicide when you have players when pressed by quality opposition don't have the ability to keep the ball so its a moot point.

You can bet every single one of opponents knows this and that's how they will play us.

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