This gets to the heart of the Matt Ryan problem. It is also a big psychological rush as a keeper to come out and get amongst the crowd and collect the ball. With hands, the odds are massively in the Keeper's favour, and it takes a load off the minds of the defenders.

As the senior player, that Ryan doesn't help out his defenders is an indictment of his playing credentials. Basically, he shouldn't be there!

meh in bold, - is it part of GK coaching ? have you any notes regards that ?
afl boundaries are so open compared to our game and no cross bar obviously, hence having players and keeper on the goal line, do you think the keeper should be running out past the 6yard box each time taking the ball like a bloody mark lol......
Every corner is diff and comes down to the keepers natural instinct for some some not, obviously being set on your goal line is the starting point whilst you have your defensive players covering this position that position, its the keepers starting point being on the line but no keeper is going to beat a perfectly timed met cross headed with increased speed into the net no matter he coming out trying to intercept the cross in flight.


As we know all players incl keepers have their natural ability or styles, observing keepers like LFC's Allison he commands his area, comes out punchs or takes cross's in full flight, challenges the attacking tall CB's in corners others do as well, for enzo like gayflrs.
I've always felt Mat isn't that authoritive/its not in his DNA, Bowden would you agree ? I expect not just curious.
Vuka for eg when he was in his peak I thought he looked a beast in commanding his area, I'm not saying he's the right pick for todays WC but about his keeping style being the point of discussion.
I feel for Mat for our whole NT is lacking and he's one of the mature ones left dealing with a lame underdone backline - as a player myself all my years in Div1 etc whenever our top regular keeper wasn't on already pre koff you had concerns mentally the game ahead, Mat must be thinking the same inside really about who he has ahead of him.
It wouldn't matter Langerak in goal imo.
A important key for every keeper is whats in front of him - he's the last resort and either the hero or villian and having a sound reliable backline and defensive mids mentally is win win.

My two cents worth as an ex-keeper.

A significant difference compared to the older days, say 15-20 plus years ago, is that many crosses these days are more whipped across with speed and bend, rather than floated across. With a fast cross there is often little time for a keeper to get even to the 6 yard line to get to a cross, so it is safer to stay on the line. A floated cross is easier to judge and you have time to get to it, even if it is 10 yards out.

I have actually been quite impressed in the past with how Ryan commands his box, I have seen him have games where he does very well with crosses, his judgement, catching and punching ability was top class. I suspect that at Brighton, because he often had 2,3 or  4 massive defenders with him (Dunk, Duffy, Webster, Burn), the instructions from the coaching staff would have been to let the defenders deal with crosses most of the time. I also suspect he has lost some confidence now because being out of favour at his clubs for the past 2 seasons.

For the record, I have always been a fan of Mat Ryan, but I think he has regressed over the past season or two. I think he was poor against France, although not because I think he should have come for the crosses, the French crosses were high class and came in at a speed and position that would have made it a big gamble for him to go for him. I think he was poor in his reactions to the shots at goal, often not even moving, and I also think he was poor with his feet, which is supposedly his strength. Some of his short passes were poorly selected (2nd goal especially), given that they were immediately putting us back under pressure, and his long kicking often did not have much distance. He even allowed a relatively easy back pass to run across him and cross the line for a corner.

if any manager with fresh eyes at this world cup had the choice out of Ryan and Langeak for their squad....who do folks think they'd go with?

This was exactly my point, agreed!

Oh geez I commented on it live but had forgotten that moment.
That's someone completely out of form and with their head not in the game.

Ryan has to play to best of his ability at WCUP- vs France especially! He didn’t have a good game because he hasn’t been playing regularly at club level- too much in/out of lineups and clubs. Langerak the opposite. 

you may recall I quoted pre game antother thread??? its made for a keeper MOTM peformance - besides were gonna lose but lose seeing some of our blokes walk off proud as.
(Kudos the play for our goal and taken well by Goodwin)
As Keeper66 quotes and I did post further back here, you also gain more confidence knowing who in front of you doing the job, in all fairness to Souttar just coming back from the knee and Rowles - heck thats fresh combo and against the French of all things. (forgetting the fail by Arnold selections)
As a player for eg, if I knew we had some untried newbies for a huge game I sure wouldn't be feeling confident no matter how much pre mind games staff are drumming up.
Ryan had to have been feeling shit on top of not enough game time, all the training in the world does not similate real game time conditions under the pump.
Langerak no point mentioning, its out of the equation now much like I still would have had Sains on board.

It depends on how the manager wants the team to play.  If he needs a sweeper keeper that can set up play then he would go for Ryan.  If he needs to bolster his defence and let the keeper release the ball to the nearest free player or boot it upfield then he would go for Langerak.

The issue for the manager is that the style he wants to play needs to be subject to the abilities of the players he has available.  It is no use picking a style the he is comfortable with if it doesn't bring the best out of the players he has available.

Concede the lowest amount of goals. 

That is only one of the things a team tries to do.  In regards to the result against France I don't think Langerak would have made one iota difference.  When a world class player is allowed to take his "strike" from in front of goal just outside the 6 yard box under very little or no pressure then the only reason a goal won't be scored is if the striker makes a mistake that allows the keeper to save or the shot misses the goal.  Fortunately for us the French strikers made 4 or 5 of them.

The question that needs to be answered is why when we were competing well our defence fell back to the edge of the penalty area and allowed the skilful French players to tear us to shreds?  Similarly, on the occasions that our defenders did get control of the ball why did we resort to hoofing it back to the French on half way instead of playing the ball to players that had moved into space or utilising the previous tactic of a long diagonal pass to a wide player well into our attacking half?

Clean sheet against Roma

Timely bump.

Two good saves by Maty at the end. While the error is unforgiveable Foster is right. We go back when we should, Ryan shouldn't take a touch, plenty of players do it. Absolute millisecond is all you need and here Ryan lost out. 

This is the easiest thread to bump lol

I have never been the biggest fan of Ryan but on the whole he has had a decent WC for a player who warms the pine in Denmark. 

The issue for us moving forward is if we want to be a team that plays out from the back, then distro is imperative. 

Langerak, like Ryan, is looking into the past/present.

I am not really across our up-and-coming Goalkeeping stocks but we need to look forward.

Vukovic and Redmayne probably will bow out now. Ryan will remain for a while, Langerak has never been great and distribution, and is also around 34. Try him in friendlies against top teams before the Asian Cup. The pick of the youngsters seems to be Gauci. Glover is not the answer. 

To my mind it looks like Arnold was looking at Souttar and Rowles for the CBs from the Olympics. Maybe the smarter move was to have an overage Ryan at the Olympics with them to get the combinations to together. With Harry's ACL injury there really hasn't been the chance to develop the GK, CB combos.

This is a actually not a Maty Ryan problem. It comes down to the quality of the cross Look at the French crosses in the first game - hard and in an area of uncertainty. Most keepers will have a problem with those. Then compare them to the lofted crosses from deeper that other teams put in.(Wilkshire and Emerton used to do it for Australia). Ryan and most keepers come out and gather those easily.

That said Schwarzer let the Japan goal in off one of those long lofted crosses.  

If we are at 1-1 rather than 1-2, we are not sacrificing defence so those two saves are not required.

Nice cameo Pala 😉

Are you Kunts really trying to play a hard 2 pass press, that could have been diffused at 5 points in the play, on the player who got lobbed with the hospital pass at the end of it????

Pull you heads in parrots....

Even after the touch he could have poked it away desperately instead of trying to be cocky after one good sweeper moment earlier. 

Yeah just toe it. This is what gripes me so much. If Ryan saves, it was easy. If he concedes, he should've gotten to it. The advantage of all this football at once shows how many keepers concede yet the book doesn't get thrown at them like Ryan and it angers me so much. Tall keepers not getting to it, Neuer feigning away, the stuff De Gea has gotten away with at club level. Despite Ryan's dip, he's still very good pound for pound.

Are you aware of the Behich's and Soutter's touch? Or di it miraculously fall on Ryan's dick 15 seconds after he distributed it (2 players pressing). 

We ceded possession in all 4 of our games, soaked up pressure and played on the counter. And IMO, it was very appropriate for Arnold to do that given the abilities of the players he had available  But did he need a sweeper keeper to play that way?

This was the game where we needed that one from Ryan where we go ‘he saved our bacon’ 

unfortunately it’s just never happened. He had an ok tournament before tonight but he’s done nothing no other goal keeper would not be able to do and made mistakes others wouldn’t. 

Probably. Passing it around the back with Ryan at the base was often the only way we got hold of the ball for any sustained periods. Whenever we hoofed it, it just came back. Having Ryan as the sweeper at least occasionally gave us that bit of control. 

It's a moot point anyway. Langerak would not have played even if had made the squad, and apart from the error today, Ryan was OK after the France game. 

I really can't believe Grabara's tweet gloating over Maty's mistake. How is it acceptable to keep slamming your teammate in public like that?  What kind of club is Copenhagen if he wasn't told to pull his head in after last time? 

But wow, what a psycho. I hope he breaks his face again. 

Ftr I never blamed him for the first goal and praised him the last two games so this isn’t quite correct here. The 2nd goal wasn’t “one he should have gotten to” it was a brain explosion. It’s fine. It is what it is and I could never handle the pressure either but let’s not sugar coat it. There’s no point in that at all

Yeah that was gross. I may have lost my mind as a fan this morning but I would never do that. Why would any team want him around?