Official: Sydney to host next 3 A League Grand Finals


Official: Sydney to host next 3 A League Grand Finals

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Balin Trev - 16 Dec 2022 10:48 AM
Davide82 - 16 Dec 2022 10:15 AM

Yep 👍 Craig Goodwin is not only a great Socceroo/AL player but also a person of integrity that won’t bow down to the APL and pretend to be ok with all this nonsense. His public statements are a stark contrast to pissweak fence sitting statements coming from other players like Leckie and Tilio for example 

Leckie has made his millions and proved he can play well in Wcup and AL - why can’t he join with Goodwin and speak out against the APL too? Make Goodwins leadership against the APL decision even stronger. He really doesn’t have anything to lose now at 31 years

Players would be in a bit of a weird spot. They have contracts and some have contract renewals coming up within the next 12 months. A-League players don't really make much money, so they do have to consider their livelihood. Young players like Tilio also have to think about their future. He would definitely have ambitions to get a gig overseas. If he is seen as someone that rocks the boat, he may be seen as a less attractive option to potential clubs. The PFA have said their official stance is that the players do not support this move nor do they support the process that led to this move. That being said it would be absolutely epic to see the entire MV and MC squads walk off the field at the 20th minute along with the fans. However, I totally understand why that won't happen.
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Balin Trev - 16 Dec 2022 11:09 AM
LFC. - 16 Dec 2022 11:00 AM

Goodwin has contract too. Goodwin knows that if the fans are screwed over the AL will suffer and possibly die

Yeah but Leckie's employers are behind this.
Goodwin's aren't so I agree it's easier for him in many respects.

He still didn't HAVE to come out so strongly and even refuse to answer questions on film for these dickheads so that's why I respect him
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Yep I understand the players at clubs that support APL decision are caught between rock and a hard place. But lots of AL players will probably be seeking overseas transfers right now and mass exodus quite likely in January window. 
But what is left for us then? Disgruntled fans and only players that couldn’t get overseas transfers next year playing 

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someguyjc - 16 Dec 2022 11:26 AM
Balin Trev - 16 Dec 2022 10:48 AM

That being said it would be absolutely epic to see the entire MV and MC squads walk off the field at the 20th minute along with the fans. However, I totally understand why that won't happen.

Even if they didn’t walk off they could just sit down on the pitch for 5 minutes during game? The AL players - especially the best or marquee players have power too. The APL doesn’t want to lose players that get bums on seats every game - especially after WCUP. What’s the APL or clubs going to do? Sack the whole team and replace them with rookies which then sends club way down the ladder?!
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Balin Trev - 16 Dec 2022 12:01 PM
someguyjc - 16 Dec 2022 11:26 AM

Even if they didn’t walk off they could just sit down on the pitch for 5 minutes during game? The AL players - especially the best or marquee players have power too. The APL doesn’t want to lose players that get bums on seats every game - especially after WCUP. What’s the APL or clubs going to do? Sack the whole team and replace them with rookies which then sends club way down the ladder?!

If the players did pull a stunt like that, I guess the question could be raised whether it is a form of match fixing. The players would essentially be deciding the outcome of the game before it is finished. Like I said, it's a tough one for players when it comes to their actions on the field as they have contractual obligations. Not a lawyer, so I really don't know.
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Balin Trev - 16 Dec 2022 11:38 AM
 Disgruntled fans and only players that couldn’t get overseas transfers next year playing 

As it was so shall it be
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someguyjc - 16 Dec 2022 9:59 AM
Munrubenmuz - 16 Dec 2022 8:12 AM

Makes sense.
DT could have just said that on Monday instead he decided to piss in our soup and then proceeded to tell us he was just cooling it down.
Here's a radical idea. Find out why people aren't subscribing. It's not that difficult. Maybe it's because there is no SmartTV app on many mainstream TVs. Maybe it's because there is no pause/rewind during the live streams (even the old freebie Telstra Football app had that). Maybe it's because there was an issue with iOS devices being sent to a news stream rather than the game stream and the issue took weeks to fix. Maybe it's because the discounted membership deals didn't auto renew at the discounted rate and people had to run around in circles trying to sort it out. The APL should be holding Paramount to account, not the other way around. I'm sure some people may have left Paramount purely for football reasons, but I'd say the majority didn't.

Exactly. The APL should say to Paramount "You've failed to provide the standard of service require to get more subscribers, and heres' the evidence from users themselves"

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Balin Trev - 16 Dec 2022 12:01 PM
someguyjc - 16 Dec 2022 11:26 AM

Even if they didn’t walk off they could just sit down on the pitch for 5 minutes during game? The AL players - especially the best or marquee players have power too. The APL doesn’t want to lose players that get bums on seats every game - especially after WCUP. What’s the APL or clubs going to do? Sack the whole team and replace them with rookies which then sends club way down the ladder?!

Yellow then yellow (red)
5th red - game abandoned

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Balin Trev - 16 Dec 2022 11:09 AM
LFC. - 16 Dec 2022 11:00 AM

Goodwin has contract too. Goodwin knows that if the fans are screwed over the AL will suffer and possibly die

Players would be fine mate.. they will just end up at other clubs, locally or around the world....

Same thing happened when the NSL ended... 
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Enzo Bearzot - 16 Dec 2022 1:31 PM
someguyjc - 16 Dec 2022 9:59 AM

Exactly. The APL should say to Paramount "You've failed to provide the standard of service require to get more subscribers, and heres' the evidence from users themselves"

Paramount take the get-out offered and then what

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numklpkgulftumch - 16 Dec 2022 1:32 PM
Balin Trev - 16 Dec 2022 12:01 PM

Yellow then yellow (red)
5th red - game abandoned

Would sure get APL’s and medias attention though!!
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Enzo Bearzot - 16 Dec 2022 1:31 PM
someguyjc - 16 Dec 2022 9:59 AM

Exactly. The APL should say to Paramount "You've failed to provide the standard of service require to get more subscribers, and heres' the evidence from users themselves"

If Ten and Paramount were true "partners" that would be exactly what happens and there would be a collaborative approach to fix it and improve the number of subscribers for the benefit of both partners.  
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numklpkgulftumch - 16 Dec 2022 1:34 PM
Enzo Bearzot - 16 Dec 2022 1:31 PM

Paramount take the get-out offered and then what

If that get-out was offered, you'd have a spectacle of Paramount executives falling over themselves to sign and rush out the door with it (just in case the option was immediately taken away).

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bettega - 16 Dec 2022 2:46 PM
numklpkgulftumch - 16 Dec 2022 1:34 PM

If that get-out was offered, you'd have a spectacle of Paramount executives falling over themselves to sign and rush out the door with it (just in case the option was immediately taken away).

We should not be offering it all. In the medium turn when Netflix, Foxtel and Stan are things of the past the media pundits reckon it will be the Sports streaming companies that will dominate i.e. the favourites to survive globally are Paramount and ESPN. Paramount has a very good non sport offering and apparently a very good sport streaming service in the US and elsewhere.

Paramount was the right decision, but they needed KPIs not just the A-Leagues. Paramount/10 are not happy with the decision and the resultant fan backlash but equally the fans are not happy with Paramount app.

1) Remove the problem child. (DT)
2) Sit down with CBS/10/Paramount and resolve the issues of the app as partners
3) As partners commit to honouring the 3 year deal with the NSW Govt. 
4) As partners agree that this will be the last deal of this sort and the A-Leagues will return to the normal practice and lobby the state governments to support financially as well as logistically in making it more than Grand Final day.  
5) As partners lobby for better funding from all governments given the upcoming WWC and the subsequent 2032 Olympics.
6) Ideally work with the AAFC to get the NSD streaming on Paramount/10Play, or selected parts if the main parts will be on KeepUp and the FTA component on 10 Bold.  

     
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Same city. Same home ground. Different comments.

From Popovic today:
"Our fans have voiced their concerns and ultimately they want to show through their actions tomorrow how they feel about it."
"Our players have spoken about (the planned protest) - they fully understand it, respect it, and most importantly agree with it."
"I understand the fans and agree," he said.

From Vidosic today:
City's interim coach Rado Vidosic said he would be "disappointed" if fans follow through on their plan to leave the derby early.
"Our fans, we love them - and we love their support," Vidosic said.
"We would be disappointed if that is the case but we're going to try to do everything that we can to change their mind - if that's what they have decided - and try to play the best that we can in those 20 minutes, if that's how long they're going to stay.


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bettega - 16 Dec 2022 2:46 PM
numklpkgulftumch - 16 Dec 2022 1:34 PM

If that get-out was offered, you'd have a spectacle of Paramount executives falling over themselves to sign and rush out the door with it (just in case the option was immediately taken away).

Yeah well legal contractual obligations work both ways.  Foxtel tried that on too, and that didn't go so well for them either.

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There needs to be a root cause for financial hardship of the league and for me it all started when the PFA got involved and wanted a higher percentage of tv money for the players, rather than the market value finding itself after a while.
Clubs who struggle financially are forced to spend money they could spend elsewhere if they wanted to be more conscientious, it was such a bad decision and has stunted the organic growth of clubs and their sustainability. Foz has a lot to answer for it, I remember him gloating over it, saying he was instrumental and what a great thing it was for all players, yet if it was for all players then rising the minimum wages would have been enough, everything else would be negotiable on merit and market value. Instead players have inflated wages, or overspending on marquees just to do something with the money.
The league was going great guns in the early years, clubs started to struggle financially around this time, as well as decisions not being made for the good of the game, I really do see it as being the crest of the games high growth and it's downward trajectory.
To many vested interests in our game, rather than working together, or organically.
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moops - 16 Dec 2022 5:01 PM
There needs to be a root cause for financial hardship of the league and for me it all started when the PFA got involved and wanted a higher percentage of tv money for the players, rather than the market value finding itself after a while.
Clubs who struggle financially are forced to spend money they could spend elsewhere if they wanted to be more conscientious, it was such a bad decision and has stunted the organic growth of clubs and their sustainability. Foz has a lot to answer for it, I remember him gloating over it, saying he was instrumental and what a great thing it was for all players, yet if it was for all players then rising the minimum wages would have been enough, everything else would be negotiable on merit and market value. Instead players have inflated wages, or overspending on marquees just to do something with the money.
The league was going great guns in the early years, clubs started to struggle financially around this time, as well as decisions not being made for the good of the game, I really do see it as being the crest of the games high growth and it's downward trajectory.
To many vested interests in our game, rather than working together, or organically.

Football needs compromises if it's to succeed, compromises with player payments (PFA), from the clubs, the fans and the APL/FA

Just need a leader who can lead.
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jas88 - 15 Dec 2022 3:33 PM
Feed_The_Brox - 15 Dec 2022 1:35 PM

Why the f### are we selling APL to investors? isnt it just a board for running the leagues? wtf is this?

Good   question .
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moops - 16 Dec 2022 5:01 PM
There needs to be a root cause for financial hardship of the league and for me it all started when the PFA got involved and wanted a higher percentage of tv money for the players, rather than the market value finding itself after a while.
Clubs who struggle financially are forced to spend money they could spend elsewhere if they wanted to be more conscientious, it was such a bad decision and has stunted the organic growth of clubs and their sustainability. Foz has a lot to answer for it, I remember him gloating over it, saying he was instrumental and what a great thing it was for all players, yet if it was for all players then rising the minimum wages would have been enough, everything else would be negotiable on merit and market value. Instead players have inflated wages, or overspending on marquees just to do something with the money.
The league was going great guns in the early years, clubs started to struggle financially around this time, as well as decisions not being made for the good of the game, I really do see it as being the crest of the games high growth and it's downward trajectory.
To many vested interests in our game, rather than working together, or organically.

I agree. An extremely high salary floor, and a very high player revenue share model means that it is much harder for clubs and football as a whole to remain viable let alone invest. And I think they have been one of the largest obstacles to getting a NSD started, with wage demands that require unrealistic funding models and prevent us from just starting with currently interested teams. 
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/12/15/why-the-a-leagues-grand-finals-in-sydney-could-end-as-a-disaster


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Well they got their expectations met.
Unfortunately, the morons who got on the pitch and assaulted players and match officials have now justified the decision


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someguyjc - 16 Dec 2022 3:09 PM
Same city. Same home ground. Different comments.

From Popovic today:
"Our fans have voiced their concerns and ultimately they want to show through their actions tomorrow how they feel about it."
"Our players have spoken about (the planned protest) - they fully understand it, respect it, and most importantly agree with it."
"I understand the fans and agree," he said.

He might be regretting those words now...

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patjennings - 16 Dec 2022 2:03 PM
Enzo Bearzot - 16 Dec 2022 1:31 PM

If Ten and Paramount were true "partners" that would be exactly what happens and there would be a collaborative approach to fix it and improve the number of subscribers for the benefit of both partners.  

Agreed 👍
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Are the 6 clubs owing money the same 6 that are APL board members?
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superpom - 2 Jan 2023 8:35 AM

Are the 6 clubs owing money the same 6 that are APL board members?

Don't know but what appears to a Melbourne Victory balance sheet is on one of the tweets. Doesn't look good.
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There was an article in the age yesterday about how much victory have lost since covid. However they have large investment incoming. 

Maybe why they haven’t sacked popovic. Can’t afford to. 

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