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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]The funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. Utter garbage. Tell me, how much money was pumped into the game by way of TV deals and sponsorships under Lowys leadership? Do you know that number? You got what you wished for. I have some recollection of those early days. Apart from the selling of licenses at around $5 million a pop (Victory wasn't able to meet the full cost in that first season), we had that long term sponsorship deal with Hyundai, which I thinik was pretty good. For that first season, we essentially gave the rights away for next to nothing to Fox, just to get some coverage, and then the following year we had a $120 milll deal for 7 years (around $17 mill per annum). That was followed by a deal for 4 years for $160 mill (or $40 mill per annum), for the first time that included an FTA component, with one game per round on SBS, for which they were paying $7 mill per annum (looking back, that's the sweetest deal we've ever had). SBS got the best ratings we've ever seen for the game, and then, inexplicably, Gallop sabotaged that relationship, and it has sort of been downhill ever since on every measure. Wasn't there a government seed fund as well? And a phone call between Lowy and the then Prime Minister of Australia? For the first season TV deal that was he market value of the game. Lowy got what he could to kick it all off. So you're talking about around $300 Million TV deal for 11 years. You then had sponsorships by mainstream brands like Samsung and Hyundaii and QANTAS. The revenue streams were supported by unheard of regular season and Grand final crowd averages. Say another $300 mill. Over half a $billion.. All that money was Lowys fault. Apparently Lowy did a lot of good for the game in the sense he brought a lot of money into the sport but the closed American style structure of the AL will ultimately kill it the Old NSL was a better structure you're a fool if you cannot agree with that the issue was the ethnic tribalism the clubs seemed to hold onto a 'little' too tight. What NSL structure are you talking about?? League formed with no wog named clubs. Clubs given American style nicknames (1980?) Split divisions. (84-89?) Clubs forced name changes to remove wog names again. (1990?) Some years P/R Most years no P/R Franchises created (90's) NZ team created and brought into NSL Clubs promoted en masse (1984) Clubs demoted en masse for a range of criteria (1989?) What structure exactly was better?? ** Disclaimer - I loved the NSL. most clubs had there own home grounds and suitable sized stadiums most clubs had there own or council based training facilities which was fairly low cost they had there own community events they had youth from u6s to u18s they didnt have a salary cap and managed to get solid transfers there community engagement was so strong the bigger clubs had dozens if not 100s of volunteers the league had an 'open structure' opposed to the close franchiee model we have now tell me what the AL has outside of TV money That was because they were monoethnic social clubs built around the representation of that ethnic group identity through their football team. They were supported by local councils like any other local sporting clubs, and since land was cheap back then, some were able to build small and basic stadia. But this also what limited the scope for growth outside that community and consequently the NSL was unable to support the move to a full time professional national league, despite some clubs being decades old. You might say "I don't want that anyway", but I can assure you that was and has been THE primary long term objective of Australian football since at least the days of the Philips Soccer League in 1977. The A-League's TV money, ( and gate takings and commercial sponsorships and mainstream media support) were the result of Frank Lowy's ambition to broaden the appeal of clubs beyond their ethnic roots and he and the A-League did just that. I get why some hate him for it, but the game needed it.
i dont 'hate him' the game owes him a lot despite what idiots think the issue is he 'took it too far' it created a model that so incredibly different to what 'top level leagues' are like thus the quality will never be of the level of the EPL, La liga, Bundesliga but the structure can mimic a top level structure it can be just as engaging perhaps even more so.
there needs to be a mix of the old NSL and new AL football otherwise i think football will continue to struggle
No matter what structure you have in place in this country it will never reach that level. The model we have does not impact the quality at all. The quality we've had over the last few decades is what we've got. Always be a 4th/5th tier league on world stage. There is no magic bullet. China tried. Had the money. The model. P/R. Top level structure. Everything they do in Europe. Actually had a president that promoted football across the country. Surely it should've improved everything ?? No more progress than what we've done in a closed shop model. [/quote]Exactly. Closed versus open comes down to one important difference: do we want a fully-pro closed shop league or a semi-pro P and R one? If the A-League had continued on the same trajectory it was on when Frank Lowy ran it-if the expansion clubs succeeded in expanding the fan base, if the fans weren't alienated with oiverzeaous policing and policies- we wouldn't be having the P and R discussion at all. A fourteen team fully pro league would have satisfied most fans (although 16 would be better.) That didn't happen so a small minority want to emulate nations where football is culturally number one in popularity, has a history going back over a hundred years and huge populations. Lets not forget money- even the established EPL wouldn't be what it is without the foreign money. We can't emulate the EPL and others like it. I dont disagree with you on anything bar the last point We're not going to be the EPL but we could easily be the Croatian football league (Hrvatska nogometna liga), The Dutch league (eredivisie) etc the way our salary cap dumpster fire league has been set up is 'very' Americanised it essentially kills clubs getting 'large' transfer fees on players developed. This might be a stretch but Ajax Sold Anthony for Man Utd for 100m Euros (~160m AUD) - we struggle to even get over 1m AUD let alone a good fee like 20-50m etc The Croatian league sells players every season for 10-20m Euros with sell on clauses i think Modric made DZ like 30m Euro all up with his sell on clauses. I mean 30m Euro is about 45m AUD that is almost the entire annual takes from the TV deal and that is 1 player! The league is too 'Australian' eccentric this only works for AFL as it is the 'only nation' that plays the code so there is no competition, it works to a lesser extent for NRL becuz the NRL is seen as the top competition for rugby. The structure has brought in TV money but frankly i dont think the TV money sustainable - Fox has abandon us and i think Paramount/10 is looking at anyway to pay as little as possible for rights to the games - after 1 season they kicked us to 10 BOLD Obviously the FA need to shoulder a lot of blame why allow the WWC rights to go to 7 and not to 10? im not sure if it was their decision but surely they could influence it. the structure is too 'Australian/Americanised' when Europe is the gold standard for football
Football is part of Croatia's and the Netherlands national identity. They have played in World Cup Finals. They have players with Champions League/ European Cup winners medals. I wish we had that history but we don't As a result our players will always be under-valued.
I believe Paramount paid what they did BECAUSE they thought we are like America. They saw it as an opportunity to get in on the ground level and grow it, and become like the MLS. They now understand the Australian sporting landscape and football's place in it.
Once the Paramount deal ends, I can't see anybody else paying that sort of money. When that happens will Australia still have a fully pro football league?
ADP had a champions league medal. [/quote]Del Piero? The local game was flying when he was here but he wasn't an Australian. I know about H as well, but who else? I was only quoting this: Football is part of Croatia's and the Netherlands national identity. They have played in World Cup Finals. They have players with Champions League/ European Cup winners medals. My point was that the A league had players with champions league winners medals also, as well as World cup winners medals also.
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+x+x40 years of forced "assimilationism" 40 years of de-woggyfying has killed off the original well meaning dreams of a bunhc of new-Australians...... You mean had they continued to waive foreign flags, sing nationalist songs, burn flares like they did in their mother country, fight wars that had nothing to do with the land they lived in and boo the Australian national anthem......the sport would be booming? lol. this is the most blind hypocrital post i have ever read so the rainbow flags, 1st nations welcome to country etc is better ? literally last month we has FN protest Australia day with signs death 'death to Australia' it is ok to have a TSI or Aboriginal flag? nether of these flags existed 60 years ago but thats ok becuz it is PC? you could count on 1 hand the TSI and Aboriginal players to play for Australia but they get a special mention.....despite 'ethnic' Australians essentially carrying the sport for 60-70 years - that right there is why people say the AL feels plastic has not soul and no passion it completely ignores all the things that have taken football this far [good and bad] to try pander to the woke-trads that dont even care about the sport i mean the rainbow and trans/rainbow flag you can colour your fukn crest in at Brisbane roar becuz it represents a different minority to 'wogs'? gtfo dead set how dumb are people these days? ------------------------------------------------ ill be straight I personally do not fully support flags of foreign nations at random clubs - sure if you have a big star players like ADP and want to rock and Italian flag at a match i probably can get behind that but what we saw in the Australia Cup final with SU58 i think was a bit much although at least they turned up to the match in numbers Bulls had NO ONE there if we round to the nearest thousand. regardless all this PC/woke shit is 100x worse then anything the NSL cooked up but you can promote gays players ever 3mins but you cant have a Greek or a croatian flag even though it actually 'means something' has history, heritage and pride for the sport and for the individuals waving opposed to some political statement bullshit we got now? i'd take the Maltese, Italians, Croatians, greeks etc over the wokes shit we have now any day of the week the league is a fkn joke the fact during the pride cup the clubs have said to CHILDREN if you dont wear 'pride' jerseys you cannot compete is everything wrong with the AL and why so many people will never support it the suits and left-tards running the game are ruining it ------------------------------------------------------ as for paramount when this deal ends if they do not renew i cant see anyone else fronting the cash to keep the league afloat 7 and 9 couldnt care less I would love Optus but they would only happen if they could get the rights for cheap they go no interest in 'boosting' the domestic game if it doesnt make money the league was meant to be financially viable by season 5.... we are approaching season 19 and the league is on its knees.... Paramount in general is a 'shit' streaming service the AL gave it a way to connect and build a brand with 10s of 1000s of people quickly - the only positive i can think of they probably need the AL as much the AL needs them but channel 10 surely have no interest bleeding more cash becuz they are going down the shitter ratings wise thats not just football but almost all their FTA content is crap ---------------------------------------------------- personally speaking in the last 2-3 years i have almost completely turned off the AL and for me to say that i have been a fan pretty much since the start is massive - i can only imagine how so many other non-hard core fans feel about the league
these Kangaroos can play football -
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Outrage after six-year-olds told they must wear 'pride shirts' to play soccer at half-time of an A-League gamethis is why the league is fukd
these Kangaroos can play football -
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KEEP POLITICS OUT OF FOOTBALL
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There's that word again: OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One parent "told the newspaper" that he is annoyed and THE DAILY MAIL (aha good lord) writes that people are FURIOUS AND OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRGHHHHH OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and even mentions SOMEONE ON TWITTER IS OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OH MY GOD HELP ME I'M OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Personally I think it's a dumb move all round too but fuck me am I sick of conflated OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on both sides
OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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+x+x40 years of forced "assimilationism" 40 years of de-woggyfying has killed off the original well meaning dreams of a bunhc of new-Australians...... You mean had they continued to waive foreign flags, sing nationalist songs, burn flares like they did in their mother country, fight wars that had nothing to do with the land they lived in and boo the Australian national anthem......the sport would be booming? lol. Aren't you tired of the same old shit Paulie? Seriously Round and round, over and over again? Your piss-stained "active Aleague" poster boy clocked a player on the head with a flare bucket FFS... Let it go, nobody wanted your assimilationist propaganda garbage back in the Bob Jane days and nobody is listening to it now... You made your traitor's bed, turned your back and made your choices..... move on.... Shit mate, everybody has an ex-girlfriend/wife somewhere.... Don't have to let the hate dictate your whole life... move on. Focus on your beloved franchsie "till I die" pty ltd or whatever it is that makes you happy and stop spreading bullshit about crap you know yourself to not be true.
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The fact that 85% of tabloid news articles are based around "John Blow said on Twitter" or "Jane Suck Tweeted that" is so representative of everything wrong with the world.
Not to mention 100 tweets contradict another 100 tweets and the "newspaper" just chooses to quote two of the first 5 on the feed that suits what point they want their readers to take away (on BOTH sides) is just fucking pathetic.
Who gives a shit and if you buy into any of this OUTRAGE on either side you are thick as as brick made of compacted petrified shit
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+xThere's that word again: OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One parent "told the newspaper" that he is annoyed and THE DAILY MAIL (aha good lord) writes that people are FURIOUS AND OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRGHHHHH OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and even mentions SOMEONE ON TWITTER IS OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY GOD HELP ME I'M OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Personally I think it's a dumb move all round too but fuck me am I sick of conflated OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on both sides OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In all fairness mate, if true, it is a fairly disgusting move... I don't wanna speak for you as a parent but personally I dont think my 10 year old daughter NEEDS to understand sex nor be exposed to the struggles of self identification and acceptance these people face... let alone feel pride for it. And I mean ANY type of sex ..... No need (again just my opinion) to talk to an immature, developing mind about concepts that would only confuse and embarrass them .... what do you say "Some people like to put their penis here, other people like to rub this with that"" its not necessary. Kids these days are (thankfully) a lot kinder and accepting of all of society... Racism and homophobia is dying (slowly, but dying) .... I guess I just am anti the "sexualization" of kids at what appears to be an earlier and earlier age.... Dont get me wrong I appreciate that the education system and society has a healthier attitude to human sexuality than it did during our youth.... My 13 year old son knows more about women's sexual development, the menstruation cycle, adolescent health and whats happening to him during puberty than I knew (even at 23 heheheheheh) but I wish we "sheltered them" from this at 6 or 7........ Just my two cents, no OUTRAGE, just a fathers opinion.
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+x+xThere's that word again: OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One parent "told the newspaper" that he is annoyed and THE DAILY MAIL (aha good lord) writes that people are FURIOUS AND OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRGHHHHH OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and even mentions SOMEONE ON TWITTER IS OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY GOD HELP ME I'M OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Personally I think it's a dumb move all round too but fuck me am I sick of conflated OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on both sides OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In all fairness mate, if true, it is a fairly disgusting move... I don't wanna speak for you as a parent Did you not see where I wrote I think it's dumb? the FACTS are the parents were warned and were told if they didn't want to do this week they can arrange to play half time a different week. I think the pride game is dumb, I think kids wearing the jerseys is dumb but also since they decided to do it, they actually did it in a rational way and gave parents the choice BEFORE little johnny had to see or hear anything Again...reading things before you reply is important and so are facts
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+x+xThere's that word again: OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One parent "told the newspaper" that he is annoyed and THE DAILY MAIL (aha good lord) writes that people are FURIOUS AND OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRGHHHHH OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and even mentions SOMEONE ON TWITTER IS OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY GOD HELP ME I'M OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Personally I think it's a dumb move all round too but fuck me am I sick of conflated OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on both sides OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .... what do you say "Some people like to put their penis here, other people like to rub this with that"" its not necessary. Kids these days are (thankfully) a lot kinder and accepting of all of society... Racism and homophobia is dying (slowly, but dying) .... I guess I just am anti the "sexualization" of kids at what appears to be an earlier and earlier age.... At the risk of you ignoring the other post I made, this is all a bit silly. I am actually a fairly conservatives person in a lot of ways (roman catholic upbringing aha) and am massively against the sexualisation of children. However, if your answer to "what does the rainbow mean daddy?" is "sometimes men stick their penises in holes other than your mummy's" I think you should take a breath first ahaha PS again for the record I am not really in favour of any of this and have no idea which shit for brains thought they would include the half time kids game
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+x+x+xThere's that word again: OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One parent "told the newspaper" that he is annoyed and THE DAILY MAIL (aha good lord) writes that people are FURIOUS AND OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRGHHHHH OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and even mentions SOMEONE ON TWITTER IS OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY GOD HELP ME I'M OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Personally I think it's a dumb move all round too but fuck me am I sick of conflated OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on both sides OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In all fairness mate, if true, it is a fairly disgusting move... I don't wanna speak for you as a parent Did you not see where I wrote I think it's dumb? the FACTS are the parents were warned and were told if they didn't want to do this week they can arrange to play half time a different week. I think the pride game is dumb, I think kids wearing the jerseys is dumb but also since they decided to do it, they actually did it in a rational way and gave parents the choice BEFORE little johnny had to see or hear anything Again...reading things before you reply is important and so are facts Your condescension aside, I agree with you... Didn't state otherwise.... Just offering my opinion. Granted parents where "given notice" but I still hate the idea.... fair enough?
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+x+x+xThere's that word again: OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One parent "told the newspaper" that he is annoyed and THE DAILY MAIL (aha good lord) writes that people are FURIOUS AND OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRGHHHHH OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and even mentions SOMEONE ON TWITTER IS OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY GOD HELP ME I'M OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Personally I think it's a dumb move all round too but fuck me am I sick of conflated OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on both sides OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .... what do you say "Some people like to put their penis here, other people like to rub this with that"" its not necessary. Kids these days are (thankfully) a lot kinder and accepting of all of society... Racism and homophobia is dying (slowly, but dying) .... I guess I just am anti the "sexualization" of kids at what appears to be an earlier and earlier age.... At the risk of you ignoring the other post I made, this is all a bit silly. I am actually a fairly conservatives person in a lot of ways (roman catholic upbringing aha) and am massively against the sexualisation of children. However, if your answer to "what does the rainbow mean daddy?" is "sometimes men stick their penises in holes other than your mummy's" I think you should take a breath first ahahaPS again for the record I am not really in favour of any of this and have no idea which shit for brains thought they would include the half time kids game C'mon mate, that is NOT what I am saying and you know it.
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+x+x+x+xThere's that word again: OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One parent "told the newspaper" that he is annoyed and THE DAILY MAIL (aha good lord) writes that people are FURIOUS AND OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRGHHHHH OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and even mentions SOMEONE ON TWITTER IS OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY GOD HELP ME I'M OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Personally I think it's a dumb move all round too but fuck me am I sick of conflated OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on both sides OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .... what do you say "Some people like to put their penis here, other people like to rub this with that"" its not necessary. Kids these days are (thankfully) a lot kinder and accepting of all of society... Racism and homophobia is dying (slowly, but dying) .... I guess I just am anti the "sexualization" of kids at what appears to be an earlier and earlier age.... At the risk of you ignoring the other post I made, this is all a bit silly. I am actually a fairly conservatives person in a lot of ways (roman catholic upbringing aha) and am massively against the sexualisation of children. However, if your answer to "what does the rainbow mean daddy?" is "sometimes men stick their penises in holes other than your mummy's" I think you should take a breath first ahahaPS again for the record I am not really in favour of any of this and have no idea which shit for brains thought they would include the half time kids game C'mon mate, that is NOT what I am saying and you know it. what do you say "Some people like to put their penis here, other people like to rub this with that""
That's all I was responding to
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+x+x+x+xThere's that word again: OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One parent "told the newspaper" that he is annoyed and THE DAILY MAIL (aha good lord) writes that people are FURIOUS AND OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRGHHHHH OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and even mentions SOMEONE ON TWITTER IS OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY GOD HELP ME I'M OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Personally I think it's a dumb move all round too but fuck me am I sick of conflated OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on both sides OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In all fairness mate, if true, it is a fairly disgusting move... I don't wanna speak for you as a parent Did you not see where I wrote I think it's dumb? the FACTS are the parents were warned and were told if they didn't want to do this week they can arrange to play half time a different week. I think the pride game is dumb, I think kids wearing the jerseys is dumb but also since they decided to do it, they actually did it in a rational way and gave parents the choice BEFORE little johnny had to see or hear anything Again...reading things before you reply is important and so are facts Your condescension aside, I agree with you... Didn't state otherwise.... Just offering my opinion. Granted parents where "given notice" but I still hate the idea.... fair enough? The we agree and my condescension was only in reply to this: I don't wanna speak for you as a parent but personally I dont think my 10 year old daughter NEEDS to understand sex nor be exposed to the struggles of self identification As if to imply I possibly would want to teach my child daughter she can be a man and have sex with a muffler if that's who she is aha
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For the record I for one am having this chat in good humour Mono
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+x+x+x+x+xThere's that word again: OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One parent "told the newspaper" that he is annoyed and THE DAILY MAIL (aha good lord) writes that people are FURIOUS AND OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRGHHHHH OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and even mentions SOMEONE ON TWITTER IS OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY GOD HELP ME I'M OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Personally I think it's a dumb move all round too but fuck me am I sick of conflated OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on both sides OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .... what do you say "Some people like to put their penis here, other people like to rub this with that"" its not necessary. Kids these days are (thankfully) a lot kinder and accepting of all of society... Racism and homophobia is dying (slowly, but dying) .... I guess I just am anti the "sexualization" of kids at what appears to be an earlier and earlier age.... At the risk of you ignoring the other post I made, this is all a bit silly. I am actually a fairly conservatives person in a lot of ways (roman catholic upbringing aha) and am massively against the sexualisation of children. However, if your answer to "what does the rainbow mean daddy?" is "sometimes men stick their penises in holes other than your mummy's" I think you should take a breath first ahahaPS again for the record I am not really in favour of any of this and have no idea which shit for brains thought they would include the half time kids game C'mon mate, that is NOT what I am saying and you know it. what do you say "Some people like to put their penis here, other people like to rub this with that""
That's all I was responding to HHuuuuuummmmppppphhh OK OK, The fact remains, I dont think its a good idea to talk to a young child about ANY kind of sexual activity (which would be necessitated by celebrations of Gay pride) To stretch your example, your child ask Child "why all the rainbow flags dad?" Adult "its to celebrate LGBTQ+ Pride" Child " What is that?" Adult................ ???????????? Now you can counter by talking about love and respect and human rights, totally agree no problem, but I just wish society wasnt in such a god damn hurry to introduce this into young kids minds.....
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+xFor the record I for one am having this chat in good humour Mono Yeah man... I know...... Im a lot more "woke" than you give me credit for hahahahahahahaahah
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+x+x+x+x+xThere's that word again: OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One parent "told the newspaper" that he is annoyed and THE DAILY MAIL (aha good lord) writes that people are FURIOUS AND OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRGHHHHH OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and even mentions SOMEONE ON TWITTER IS OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY GOD HELP ME I'M OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Personally I think it's a dumb move all round too but fuck me am I sick of conflated OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on both sides OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In all fairness mate, if true, it is a fairly disgusting move... I don't wanna speak for you as a parent Did you not see where I wrote I think it's dumb? the FACTS are the parents were warned and were told if they didn't want to do this week they can arrange to play half time a different week. I think the pride game is dumb, I think kids wearing the jerseys is dumb but also since they decided to do it, they actually did it in a rational way and gave parents the choice BEFORE little johnny had to see or hear anything Again...reading things before you reply is important and so are facts Your condescension aside, I agree with you... Didn't state otherwise.... Just offering my opinion. Granted parents where "given notice" but I still hate the idea.... fair enough? The we agree and my condescension was only in reply to this: I don't wanna speak for you as a parent but personally I dont think my 10 year old daughter NEEDS to understand sex nor be exposed to the struggles of self identification As if to imply I possibly would want to teach my child daughter she can be a man and have sex with a muffler if that's who she is aha Oh... hahahahhaha no ..... just meant to say that every parent has the right to bring up their kids how they see fit... One of my absolute personal hates is the whole "competitive" nature of parenting in this day and age... You daughter is quite young if Im not mistaken? Wait till the "what montesorri childcare is she going tooo?" "Have you already gone on the waiting list for the best private school" "Who is her piano teacher?" etc etc... Fuckinh shits me to tears.
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+x+x+x+x+xThere's that word again: OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One parent "told the newspaper" that he is annoyed and THE DAILY MAIL (aha good lord) writes that people are FURIOUS AND OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRGHHHHH OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and even mentions SOMEONE ON TWITTER IS OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY GOD HELP ME I'M OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Personally I think it's a dumb move all round too but fuck me am I sick of conflated OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on both sides OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In all fairness mate, if true, it is a fairly disgusting move... I don't wanna speak for you as a parent Did you not see where I wrote I think it's dumb? the FACTS are the parents were warned and were told if they didn't want to do this week they can arrange to play half time a different week. I think the pride game is dumb, I think kids wearing the jerseys is dumb but also since they decided to do it, they actually did it in a rational way and gave parents the choice BEFORE little johnny had to see or hear anything Again...reading things before you reply is important and so are facts Your condescension aside, I agree with you... Didn't state otherwise.... Just offering my opinion. Granted parents where "given notice" but I still hate the idea.... fair enough? The we agree and my condescension was only in reply to this: I don't wanna speak for you as a parent but personally I dont think my 10 year old daughter NEEDS to understand sex nor be exposed to the struggles of self identification As if to imply I possibly would want to teach my child daughter she can be a man and have sex with a muffler if that's who she is aha BTW I had mate who back in the days swore black and blue he fucked his Monaro.... hahahahahahahahahahah
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+x+xFor the record I for one am having this chat in good humour Mono Yeah man... I know...... Im a lot more "woke" than you give me credit for hahahahahahahaahah I know you are and I'm probably less than you give me credit for aha
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThere's that word again: OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One parent "told the newspaper" that he is annoyed and THE DAILY MAIL (aha good lord) writes that people are FURIOUS AND OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRGHHHHH OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and even mentions SOMEONE ON TWITTER IS OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY GOD HELP ME I'M OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Personally I think it's a dumb move all round too but fuck me am I sick of conflated OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on both sides OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In all fairness mate, if true, it is a fairly disgusting move... I don't wanna speak for you as a parent Did you not see where I wrote I think it's dumb? the FACTS are the parents were warned and were told if they didn't want to do this week they can arrange to play half time a different week. I think the pride game is dumb, I think kids wearing the jerseys is dumb but also since they decided to do it, they actually did it in a rational way and gave parents the choice BEFORE little johnny had to see or hear anything Again...reading things before you reply is important and so are facts Your condescension aside, I agree with you... Didn't state otherwise.... Just offering my opinion. Granted parents where "given notice" but I still hate the idea.... fair enough? The we agree and my condescension was only in reply to this: I don't wanna speak for you as a parent but personally I dont think my 10 year old daughter NEEDS to understand sex nor be exposed to the struggles of self identification As if to imply I possibly would want to teach my child daughter she can be a man and have sex with a muffler if that's who she is aha BTW I had mate who back in the days swore black and blue he fucked his Monaro.... hahahahahahahahahahah AHAHAHAHAAA this doesn't totally surprise me. If my Les Paul had a muffler I probably would have fucked it by now
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThere's that word again: OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One parent "told the newspaper" that he is annoyed and THE DAILY MAIL (aha good lord) writes that people are FURIOUS AND OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRGHHHHH OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and even mentions SOMEONE ON TWITTER IS OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY GOD HELP ME I'M OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Personally I think it's a dumb move all round too but fuck me am I sick of conflated OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on both sides OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In all fairness mate, if true, it is a fairly disgusting move... I don't wanna speak for you as a parent Did you not see where I wrote I think it's dumb? the FACTS are the parents were warned and were told if they didn't want to do this week they can arrange to play half time a different week. I think the pride game is dumb, I think kids wearing the jerseys is dumb but also since they decided to do it, they actually did it in a rational way and gave parents the choice BEFORE little johnny had to see or hear anything Again...reading things before you reply is important and so are facts Your condescension aside, I agree with you... Didn't state otherwise.... Just offering my opinion. Granted parents where "given notice" but I still hate the idea.... fair enough? The we agree and my condescension was only in reply to this: I don't wanna speak for you as a parent but personally I dont think my 10 year old daughter NEEDS to understand sex nor be exposed to the struggles of self identification As if to imply I possibly would want to teach my child daughter she can be a man and have sex with a muffler if that's who she is aha Oh... hahahahhaha no ..... just meant to say that every parent has the right to bring up their kids how they see fit... One of my absolute personal hates is the whole "competitive" nature of parenting in this day and age... You daughter is quite young if Im not mistaken? Wait till the "what montesorri childcare is she going tooo?" "Have you already gone on the waiting list for the best private school" "Who is her piano teacher?" etc etc... Fuckinh shits me to tears. Yeah man she is only just about to turn 2 but don;t worry I have seen a lot of it already. It's so ridiculous............ especially since my girl is already clearly gifted anyway he he
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere's that word again: OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One parent "told the newspaper" that he is annoyed and THE DAILY MAIL (aha good lord) writes that people are FURIOUS AND OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRGHHHHH OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and even mentions SOMEONE ON TWITTER IS OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY GOD HELP ME I'M OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Personally I think it's a dumb move all round too but fuck me am I sick of conflated OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on both sides OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In all fairness mate, if true, it is a fairly disgusting move... I don't wanna speak for you as a parent Did you not see where I wrote I think it's dumb? the FACTS are the parents were warned and were told if they didn't want to do this week they can arrange to play half time a different week. I think the pride game is dumb, I think kids wearing the jerseys is dumb but also since they decided to do it, they actually did it in a rational way and gave parents the choice BEFORE little johnny had to see or hear anything Again...reading things before you reply is important and so are facts Your condescension aside, I agree with you... Didn't state otherwise.... Just offering my opinion. Granted parents where "given notice" but I still hate the idea.... fair enough? The we agree and my condescension was only in reply to this: I don't wanna speak for you as a parent but personally I dont think my 10 year old daughter NEEDS to understand sex nor be exposed to the struggles of self identification As if to imply I possibly would want to teach my child daughter she can be a man and have sex with a muffler if that's who she is aha Oh... hahahahhaha no ..... just meant to say that every parent has the right to bring up their kids how they see fit... One of my absolute personal hates is the whole "competitive" nature of parenting in this day and age... You daughter is quite young if Im not mistaken? Wait till the "what montesorri childcare is she going tooo?" "Have you already gone on the waiting list for the best private school" "Who is her piano teacher?" etc etc... Fuckinh shits me to tears. Yeah man she is only just about to turn 2 but don;t worry I have seen a lot of it already. It's so ridiculous............ especially since my girl is already clearly gifted anyway he he Attaboy .... getting on the front foot :)
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere's that word again: OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One parent "told the newspaper" that he is annoyed and THE DAILY MAIL (aha good lord) writes that people are FURIOUS AND OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRGHHHHH OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and even mentions SOMEONE ON TWITTER IS OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY GOD HELP ME I'M OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Personally I think it's a dumb move all round too but fuck me am I sick of conflated OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on both sides OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In all fairness mate, if true, it is a fairly disgusting move... I don't wanna speak for you as a parent Did you not see where I wrote I think it's dumb? the FACTS are the parents were warned and were told if they didn't want to do this week they can arrange to play half time a different week. I think the pride game is dumb, I think kids wearing the jerseys is dumb but also since they decided to do it, they actually did it in a rational way and gave parents the choice BEFORE little johnny had to see or hear anything Again...reading things before you reply is important and so are facts Your condescension aside, I agree with you... Didn't state otherwise.... Just offering my opinion. Granted parents where "given notice" but I still hate the idea.... fair enough? The we agree and my condescension was only in reply to this: I don't wanna speak for you as a parent but personally I dont think my 10 year old daughter NEEDS to understand sex nor be exposed to the struggles of self identification As if to imply I possibly would want to teach my child daughter she can be a man and have sex with a muffler if that's who she is aha BTW I had mate who back in the days swore black and blue he fucked his Monaro.... hahahahahahahahahahah AHAHAHAHAAA this doesn't totally surprise me. If my Les Paul had a muffler I probably would have fucked it by now Ahahaah he actually WAS from Adelaide .......
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere's that word again: OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One parent "told the newspaper" that he is annoyed and THE DAILY MAIL (aha good lord) writes that people are FURIOUS AND OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRGHHHHH OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and even mentions SOMEONE ON TWITTER IS OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY GOD HELP ME I'M OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Personally I think it's a dumb move all round too but fuck me am I sick of conflated OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on both sides OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In all fairness mate, if true, it is a fairly disgusting move... I don't wanna speak for you as a parent Did you not see where I wrote I think it's dumb? the FACTS are the parents were warned and were told if they didn't want to do this week they can arrange to play half time a different week. I think the pride game is dumb, I think kids wearing the jerseys is dumb but also since they decided to do it, they actually did it in a rational way and gave parents the choice BEFORE little johnny had to see or hear anything Again...reading things before you reply is important and so are facts Your condescension aside, I agree with you... Didn't state otherwise.... Just offering my opinion. Granted parents where "given notice" but I still hate the idea.... fair enough? The we agree and my condescension was only in reply to this: I don't wanna speak for you as a parent but personally I dont think my 10 year old daughter NEEDS to understand sex nor be exposed to the struggles of self identification As if to imply I possibly would want to teach my child daughter she can be a man and have sex with a muffler if that's who she is aha Oh... hahahahhaha no ..... just meant to say that every parent has the right to bring up their kids how they see fit... One of my absolute personal hates is the whole "competitive" nature of parenting in this day and age... You daughter is quite young if Im not mistaken? Wait till the "what montesorri childcare is she going tooo?" "Have you already gone on the waiting list for the best private school" "Who is her piano teacher?" etc etc... Fuckinh shits me to tears. Yeah man she is only just about to turn 2 but don;t worry I have seen a lot of it already. It's so ridiculous............ especially since my girl is already clearly gifted anyway he he Attaboy .... getting on the front foot :) What i WILL say though is she does kick the soccer ball around like a bloody champ for her age and I am waaaaaaaay too proud of her for that :hehe::hehe::hehe:
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere's that word again: OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One parent "told the newspaper" that he is annoyed and THE DAILY MAIL (aha good lord) writes that people are FURIOUS AND OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRGHHHHH OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and even mentions SOMEONE ON TWITTER IS OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY GOD HELP ME I'M OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Personally I think it's a dumb move all round too but fuck me am I sick of conflated OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on both sides OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In all fairness mate, if true, it is a fairly disgusting move... I don't wanna speak for you as a parent Did you not see where I wrote I think it's dumb? the FACTS are the parents were warned and were told if they didn't want to do this week they can arrange to play half time a different week. I think the pride game is dumb, I think kids wearing the jerseys is dumb but also since they decided to do it, they actually did it in a rational way and gave parents the choice BEFORE little johnny had to see or hear anything Again...reading things before you reply is important and so are facts Your condescension aside, I agree with you... Didn't state otherwise.... Just offering my opinion. Granted parents where "given notice" but I still hate the idea.... fair enough? The we agree and my condescension was only in reply to this: I don't wanna speak for you as a parent but personally I dont think my 10 year old daughter NEEDS to understand sex nor be exposed to the struggles of self identification As if to imply I possibly would want to teach my child daughter she can be a man and have sex with a muffler if that's who she is aha BTW I had mate who back in the days swore black and blue he fucked his Monaro.... hahahahahahahahahahah AHAHAHAHAAA this doesn't totally surprise me. If my Les Paul had a muffler I probably would have fucked it by now Ahahaah he actually WAS from Adelaide ....... aha fucking hell of course he was
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Just let the kids BE KIDS by letting them play football at half-time. Excluding kids who don’t want to wear gay-pride shirt is discrimination- kids are TOO YOUNG TO UNDERSTAND (and RIGHTLY so!) what ‘gay pride’ is really all about - leave little kids the fuck out of ADULT SEXUALITY ISSUES FFS!!!
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+xJust let the kids BE KIDS by letting them play football at half-time. Excluding kids who don’t want to wear gay-pride shirt is discrimination- kids are TOO YOUNG TO UNDERSTAND (and RIGHTLY so!) what ‘gay pride’ is really all about - leave little kids the fuck out of ADULT SEXUALITY ISSUES FFS!!!
I'd say it's not the kids that don't want to wear the shirts, it's a minority group of parents. My experience with kids is the more colours the better. If you gave the kids the choice of wearing the standard single colour shirt or a special one with all the colours, I know which one they'll pick. They love anything rainbow coloured. Just go to a Mr Whippy and see how many kids want the rainbow gelati or the rainbow paddlepop. They have no idea what this is all about, and the majority of them won't even ask until they are much older. They'll just be happy they have some new colourful shit to put on.
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+x+xJust let the kids BE KIDS by letting them play football at half-time. Excluding kids who don’t want to wear gay-pride shirt is discrimination- kids are TOO YOUNG TO UNDERSTAND (and RIGHTLY so!) what ‘gay pride’ is really all about - leave little kids the fuck out of ADULT SEXUALITY ISSUES FFS!!!
I'd say it's not the kids that don't want to wear the shirts, it's a minority group of parents. My experience with kids is the more colours the better. If you gave the kids the choice of wearing the standard single colour shirt or a special one with all the colours, I know which one they'll pick. They love anything rainbow coloured. Just go to a Mr Whippy and see how many kids want the rainbow gelati or the rainbow paddlepop. They have no idea what this is all about, and the majority of them won't even ask until they are much older. They'll just be happy they have some new colourful shit to put on. Yep maybe. But It’s also like exploitation using young naive kids to display gay pride support when the kids have no idea what it’s really all about
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+x+xJust let the kids BE KIDS by letting them play football at half-time. Excluding kids who don’t want to wear gay-pride shirt is discrimination- kids are TOO YOUNG TO UNDERSTAND (and RIGHTLY so!) what ‘gay pride’ is really all about - leave little kids the fuck out of ADULT SEXUALITY ISSUES FFS!!!
I'd say it's not the kids that don't want to wear the shirts, it's a minority group of parents. My experience with kids is the more colours the better. If you gave the kids the choice of wearing the standard single colour shirt or a special one with all the colours, I know which one they'll pick. They love anything rainbow coloured. Just go to a Mr Whippy and see how many kids want the rainbow gelati or the rainbow paddlepop. They have no idea what this is all about, and the majority of them won't even ask until they are much older. They'll just be happy they have some new colourful shit to put on. and thats the point mind you, don't use kids for any message political or not. Let them play in their respected Clubs colours thats who they play for - maybe provide a armband like they tried in the WC haha let alone just have corflute signs around the playing field - maybe this will reach out to new LGBTIxyz APL supporters plugging the holes and letterbox's :)
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere's that word again: OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One parent "told the newspaper" that he is annoyed and THE DAILY MAIL (aha good lord) writes that people are FURIOUS AND OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRGHHHHH OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and even mentions SOMEONE ON TWITTER IS OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY GOD HELP ME I'M OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Personally I think it's a dumb move all round too but fuck me am I sick of conflated OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on both sides OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In all fairness mate, if true, it is a fairly disgusting move... I don't wanna speak for you as a parent Did you not see where I wrote I think it's dumb? the FACTS are the parents were warned and were told if they didn't want to do this week they can arrange to play half time a different week. I think the pride game is dumb, I think kids wearing the jerseys is dumb but also since they decided to do it, they actually did it in a rational way and gave parents the choice BEFORE little johnny had to see or hear anything Again...reading things before you reply is important and so are facts Your condescension aside, I agree with you... Didn't state otherwise.... Just offering my opinion. Granted parents where "given notice" but I still hate the idea.... fair enough? The we agree and my condescension was only in reply to this: I don't wanna speak for you as a parent but personally I dont think my 10 year old daughter NEEDS to understand sex nor be exposed to the struggles of self identification As if to imply I possibly would want to teach my child daughter she can be a man and have sex with a muffler if that's who she is aha Oh... hahahahhaha no ..... just meant to say that every parent has the right to bring up their kids how they see fit... One of my absolute personal hates is the whole "competitive" nature of parenting in this day and age... You daughter is quite young if Im not mistaken? Wait till the "what montesorri childcare is she going tooo?" "Have you already gone on the waiting list for the best private school" "Who is her piano teacher?" etc etc... Fuckinh shits me to tears. Yeah man she is only just about to turn 2 but don;t worry I have seen a lot of it already. It's so ridiculous............ especially since my girl is already clearly gifted anyway he he Attaboy .... getting on the front foot :) What i WILL say though is she does kick the soccer ball around like a bloody champ for her age and I am waaaaaaaay too proud of her for that :hehe::hehe::hehe: Should I be getting a Matildas top with "DAVIDE82jnr" ready for the 2039 WWC??? I expect a signed shirt for poor delusional uncle Mono from Melbourne.... hahahahahahaah
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