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+x+x+x+x+xIMO, if you want promotion/ relegation like " proper leagues " then you need to ditch the top six play off shite. You can't just pick and choose the bits you like to have a " proper league ". The Greek Super League introduced a top 6 play-off a couple of years ago and despite going against their strong football kulcha, they reckon it's alright. Australia leading the way? You wish. Was tongue in cheek hoping to catch a fish And to be clear here, that's your whole life. You don't know my whole life. Like a good mixed diet, everything is important.
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+x+xDon't Scotland do it with 12? That they do introduced not long ago for the last 5 games. Top 6 play each other and the bottom 6. That has merit for it has relegation !!!!!!!! Why I said what is the point having a split comp here without nothing to lose !!!!! Same applies re the sth Americans who have a wider split comp - they have P/R !!!!! Fair enough it all comes back to p and r
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+xDon't Scotland do it with 12? Aye they dae, but it is rank.
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+xDon't Scotland do it with 12? That they do introduced not long ago for the last 5 games. Top 6 play each other and the bottom 6. That has merit for it has relegation !!!!!!!! Why I said what is the point having a split comp here without nothing to lose !!!!! Same applies re the sth Americans who have a wider split comp - they have P/R !!!!!
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Don't Scotland do it with 12?
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+x+x+xIMO, if you want promotion/ relegation like " proper leagues " then you need to ditch the top six play off shite. You can't just pick and choose the bits you like to have a " proper league ". The Greek Super League introduced a top 6 play-off a couple of years ago and despite going against their strong football kulcha, they reckon it's alright. Australia leading the way? What about the South American systems Clausura and Apertura ? Why don't we implement these style leagues They're strong football culture countries. l really like the sound of that system - Clausura and Apertura. A few posters knew it well. Can you refresh us, please?
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+x+x+x+xIMO, if you want promotion/ relegation like " proper leagues " then you need to ditch the top six play off shite. You can't just pick and choose the bits you like to have a " proper league ". The Greek Super League introduced a top 6 play-off a couple of years ago and despite going against their strong football kulcha, they reckon it's alright. Australia leading the way? You wish. Was tongue in cheek hoping to catch a fish And to be clear here, that's your whole life.
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+x+x+xIMO, if you want promotion/ relegation like " proper leagues " then you need to ditch the top six play off shite. You can't just pick and choose the bits you like to have a " proper league ". The Greek Super League introduced a top 6 play-off a couple of years ago and despite going against their strong football kulcha, they reckon it's alright. Australia leading the way? You wish. Was tongue in cheek hoping to catch a fish
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+x+xIMO, if you want promotion/ relegation like " proper leagues " then you need to ditch the top six play off shite. You can't just pick and choose the bits you like to have a " proper league ". The Greek Super League introduced a top 6 play-off a couple of years ago and despite going against their strong football kulcha, they reckon it's alright. Australia leading the way? You wish.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xUnfortunately, racism was rife in the 50s, 60s & 70s, I had terrible experience in the northern part of Sydney as a kid, thankfully things has changed a bit since then. The difference with me was that I didn't feel sorry for those ethic clubs, as I also saw first hand their insecure views of these ethic clubs as the wrong type of wogs (like myself of Portuguese background) & lots of Anglos were not picked in the Greek, Italians or Croatian teams despite being in all the representative school sides. So it went both ways. So while I don't disagree with all those who experience racism in schools & see their fathers experience the workplaces, this was rampant during this times, the ethic clubs were doing likewise, hence why I never followed an NSL club even though I followed the players in the 70s, 80s & 90s. Yeah I've mentioned this before. Got cut from a side because I was the wrong type of ethnic kid at a Sydney club. Very common in those days. Thats terrible if you faced such prejudice Robbo, seriously mate that shit isn't on... I AM surprised though because, as Flytox stated above the "effnik" clubs in NSW had a majority of anglo, welsh, sottish players rather than migrant kids..Wonder why the effniok clubs let THEM play...??? Maybe it was a NSW thing only??? Down here, at junior level it was, sadly, more about dickhead committee members or sponsors pushing for their sons/nephews to play for a club or they'll stop paying sponsorship every year.... Nationality didn't have much of a say in it mostly...... maybe I never saw it because I had the right sort of surname but I didn't only play for "Greek" clubs in my youth and never came across what you say...... It was in the 80s though so maybe things had changed a little by then? From my memories of the NSL I can't remember ANY club have an exclusive ethnic group of players ONLY.... In fact my favourite Hellas players (apart from Boutsi) were ALL non Greeks. Steve Bair, Dougie Brown, Trimmers, Davo, Crino. Covegny, Durakovic ...etc etc.. You can add Jimmy Armstrong to the list. Hellas had an abundance of non Greek players because despite having the largest migrant population by far, decent Greek players were virtually non existent. Yeah yeah we get it you racist piece of shit Greeks are your enemy..... what else have you got? Reverse racism, how typical of you. It's an undeniable fact why Hellas couldn't field Greek players. Nothing racist about that, but you on the other hand!!!!! Did the big bad Greek guy hurt you Paulie or just break your heart? You need to take the good with bad machine gunner. Can't be all about sweet smelling roses when it comes to SM Hellas. Oh Paulie, so it WAS your heart then ....... Im sorry matey hope you get over it soon.....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xUnfortunately, racism was rife in the 50s, 60s & 70s, I had terrible experience in the northern part of Sydney as a kid, thankfully things has changed a bit since then. The difference with me was that I didn't feel sorry for those ethic clubs, as I also saw first hand their insecure views of these ethic clubs as the wrong type of wogs (like myself of Portuguese background) & lots of Anglos were not picked in the Greek, Italians or Croatian teams despite being in all the representative school sides. So it went both ways. So while I don't disagree with all those who experience racism in schools & see their fathers experience the workplaces, this was rampant during this times, the ethic clubs were doing likewise, hence why I never followed an NSL club even though I followed the players in the 70s, 80s & 90s. Yeah I've mentioned this before. Got cut from a side because I was the wrong type of ethnic kid at a Sydney club. Very common in those days. Thats terrible if you faced such prejudice Robbo, seriously mate that shit isn't on... I AM surprised though because, as Flytox stated above the "effnik" clubs in NSW had a majority of anglo, welsh, sottish players rather than migrant kids..Wonder why the effniok clubs let THEM play...??? Maybe it was a NSW thing only??? Down here, at junior level it was, sadly, more about dickhead committee members or sponsors pushing for their sons/nephews to play for a club or they'll stop paying sponsorship every year.... Nationality didn't have much of a say in it mostly...... maybe I never saw it because I had the right sort of surname but I didn't only play for "Greek" clubs in my youth and never came across what you say...... It was in the 80s though so maybe things had changed a little by then? From my memories of the NSL I can't remember ANY club have an exclusive ethnic group of players ONLY.... In fact my favourite Hellas players (apart from Boutsi) were ALL non Greeks. Steve Bair, Dougie Brown, Trimmers, Davo, Crino. Covegny, Durakovic ...etc etc.. You can add Jimmy Armstrong to the list. Hellas had an abundance of non Greek players because despite having the largest migrant population by far, decent Greek players were virtually non existent. Yeah yeah we get it you racist piece of shit Greeks are your enemy..... what else have you got? Reverse racism, how typical of you. It's an undeniable fact why Hellas couldn't field Greek players. Nothing racist about that, but you on the other hand!!!!! Did the big bad Greek guy hurt you Paulie or just break your heart? You need to take the good with bad machine gunner. Can't be all about sweet smelling roses when it comes to SM Hellas.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xUnfortunately, racism was rife in the 50s, 60s & 70s, I had terrible experience in the northern part of Sydney as a kid, thankfully things has changed a bit since then. The difference with me was that I didn't feel sorry for those ethic clubs, as I also saw first hand their insecure views of these ethic clubs as the wrong type of wogs (like myself of Portuguese background) & lots of Anglos were not picked in the Greek, Italians or Croatian teams despite being in all the representative school sides. So it went both ways. So while I don't disagree with all those who experience racism in schools & see their fathers experience the workplaces, this was rampant during this times, the ethic clubs were doing likewise, hence why I never followed an NSL club even though I followed the players in the 70s, 80s & 90s. Yeah I've mentioned this before. Got cut from a side because I was the wrong type of ethnic kid at a Sydney club. Very common in those days. Thats terrible if you faced such prejudice Robbo, seriously mate that shit isn't on... I AM surprised though because, as Flytox stated above the "effnik" clubs in NSW had a majority of anglo, welsh, sottish players rather than migrant kids..Wonder why the effniok clubs let THEM play...??? Maybe it was a NSW thing only??? Down here, at junior level it was, sadly, more about dickhead committee members or sponsors pushing for their sons/nephews to play for a club or they'll stop paying sponsorship every year.... Nationality didn't have much of a say in it mostly...... maybe I never saw it because I had the right sort of surname but I didn't only play for "Greek" clubs in my youth and never came across what you say...... It was in the 80s though so maybe things had changed a little by then? From my memories of the NSL I can't remember ANY club have an exclusive ethnic group of players ONLY.... In fact my favourite Hellas players (apart from Boutsi) were ALL non Greeks. Steve Bair, Dougie Brown, Trimmers, Davo, Crino. Covegny, Durakovic ...etc etc.. You can add Jimmy Armstrong to the list. Hellas had an abundance of non Greek players because despite having the largest migrant population by far, decent Greek players were virtually non existent. Yeah yeah we get it you racist piece of shit Greeks are your enemy..... what else have you got? Reverse racism, how typical of you. It's an undeniable fact why Hellas couldn't field Greek players. Nothing racist about that, but you on the other hand!!!!! Did the big bad Greek guy hurt you Paulie or just break your heart?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xUnfortunately, racism was rife in the 50s, 60s & 70s, I had terrible experience in the northern part of Sydney as a kid, thankfully things has changed a bit since then. The difference with me was that I didn't feel sorry for those ethic clubs, as I also saw first hand their insecure views of these ethic clubs as the wrong type of wogs (like myself of Portuguese background) & lots of Anglos were not picked in the Greek, Italians or Croatian teams despite being in all the representative school sides. So it went both ways. So while I don't disagree with all those who experience racism in schools & see their fathers experience the workplaces, this was rampant during this times, the ethic clubs were doing likewise, hence why I never followed an NSL club even though I followed the players in the 70s, 80s & 90s. Yeah I've mentioned this before. Got cut from a side because I was the wrong type of ethnic kid at a Sydney club. Very common in those days. Thats terrible if you faced such prejudice Robbo, seriously mate that shit isn't on... I AM surprised though because, as Flytox stated above the "effnik" clubs in NSW had a majority of anglo, welsh, sottish players rather than migrant kids..Wonder why the effniok clubs let THEM play...??? Maybe it was a NSW thing only??? Down here, at junior level it was, sadly, more about dickhead committee members or sponsors pushing for their sons/nephews to play for a club or they'll stop paying sponsorship every year.... Nationality didn't have much of a say in it mostly...... maybe I never saw it because I had the right sort of surname but I didn't only play for "Greek" clubs in my youth and never came across what you say...... It was in the 80s though so maybe things had changed a little by then? From my memories of the NSL I can't remember ANY club have an exclusive ethnic group of players ONLY.... In fact my favourite Hellas players (apart from Boutsi) were ALL non Greeks. Steve Bair, Dougie Brown, Trimmers, Davo, Crino. Covegny, Durakovic ...etc etc.. You can add Jimmy Armstrong to the list. Hellas had an abundance of non Greek players because despite having the largest migrant population by far, decent Greek players were virtually non existent. Yeah yeah we get it you racist piece of shit Greeks are your enemy..... what else have you got? Reverse racism, how typical of you. It's an undeniable fact why Hellas couldn't field Greek players. Nothing racist about that, but you on the other hand!!!!!
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+x+x+x+x+xUnfortunately, racism was rife in the 50s, 60s & 70s, I had terrible experience in the northern part of Sydney as a kid, thankfully things has changed a bit since then. The difference with me was that I didn't feel sorry for those ethic clubs, as I also saw first hand their insecure views of these ethic clubs as the wrong type of wogs (like myself of Portuguese background) & lots of Anglos were not picked in the Greek, Italians or Croatian teams despite being in all the representative school sides. So it went both ways. So while I don't disagree with all those who experience racism in schools & see their fathers experience the workplaces, this was rampant during this times, the ethic clubs were doing likewise, hence why I never followed an NSL club even though I followed the players in the 70s, 80s & 90s. Yeah I've mentioned this before. Got cut from a side because I was the wrong type of ethnic kid at a Sydney club. Very common in those days. Thats terrible if you faced such prejudice Robbo, seriously mate that shit isn't on... I AM surprised though because, as Flytox stated above the "effnik" clubs in NSW had a majority of anglo, welsh, sottish players rather than migrant kids..Wonder why the effniok clubs let THEM play...??? Maybe it was a NSW thing only??? Down here, at junior level it was, sadly, more about dickhead committee members or sponsors pushing for their sons/nephews to play for a club or they'll stop paying sponsorship every year.... Nationality didn't have much of a say in it mostly...... maybe I never saw it because I had the right sort of surname but I didn't only play for "Greek" clubs in my youth and never came across what you say...... It was in the 80s though so maybe things had changed a little by then? From my memories of the NSL I can't remember ANY club have an exclusive ethnic group of players ONLY.... In fact my favourite Hellas players (apart from Boutsi) were ALL non Greeks. Steve Bair, Dougie Brown, Trimmers, Davo, Crino. Covegny, Durakovic ...etc etc.. You can add Jimmy Armstrong to the list. Hellas had an abundance of non Greek players because despite having the largest migrant population by far, decent Greek players were virtually non existent. Yeah yeah we get it you racist piece of shit Greeks are your enemy..... what else have you got?
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+x+xIMO, if you want promotion/ relegation like " proper leagues " then you need to ditch the top six play off shite. You can't just pick and choose the bits you like to have a " proper league ". The Greek Super League introduced a top 6 play-off a couple of years ago and despite going against their strong football kulcha, they reckon it's alright. Australia leading the way? What about the South American systems Clausura and Apertura ? Why don't we implement these style leagues They're strong football culture countries. Why do we need to follow the UK system??
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+xInteresting reading the comments from the immigrant children who grew up here last mid century. As someone who grew up in the 90s it always seemed the wogs, ie croats, greeks, italitans etc were so well integrated and accepted and contributed to this notion of Australia being the most successful multicultural nation. One can understand why people like mono, having experienced racism himself growing up, would in turn become racist and want to keep soccer for themselves rather than falling into the pasty hands of mainstream society. Thankfully most of those anachronistic attitudes have died out and football is the one sport you can go to and feel accepted, regardless of your ethnic background. That's why the NSL failed, the great push to assimilate the sport into the national consciousness had been gaining momentum since the 90s but was stifled by people like mono and their fathers whose decision making and attitudes were influenced by the chip on their shoulder derived from their experiences growing up. A bit descriptive but not without merit.
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One off spikes here and there, at the peak of the migrant boom and down hill from there.
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+xIMO, if you want promotion/ relegation like " proper leagues " then you need to ditch the top six play off shite. You can't just pick and choose the bits you like to have a " proper league ". The Greek Super League introduced a top 6 play-off a couple of years ago and despite going against their strong football kulcha, they reckon it's alright. Australia leading the way?
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IMO, if you want promotion/ relegation like " proper leagues " then you need to ditch the top six play off shite.
You can't just pick and choose the bits you like to have a " proper league ".
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+x+x+x+xUnfortunately, racism was rife in the 50s, 60s & 70s, I had terrible experience in the northern part of Sydney as a kid, thankfully things has changed a bit since then. The difference with me was that I didn't feel sorry for those ethic clubs, as I also saw first hand their insecure views of these ethic clubs as the wrong type of wogs (like myself of Portuguese background) & lots of Anglos were not picked in the Greek, Italians or Croatian teams despite being in all the representative school sides. So it went both ways. So while I don't disagree with all those who experience racism in schools & see their fathers experience the workplaces, this was rampant during this times, the ethic clubs were doing likewise, hence why I never followed an NSL club even though I followed the players in the 70s, 80s & 90s. Yeah I've mentioned this before. Got cut from a side because I was the wrong type of ethnic kid at a Sydney club. Very common in those days. Thats terrible if you faced such prejudice Robbo, seriously mate that shit isn't on... I AM surprised though because, as Flytox stated above the "effnik" clubs in NSW had a majority of anglo, welsh, sottish players rather than migrant kids..Wonder why the effniok clubs let THEM play...??? Maybe it was a NSW thing only??? Down here, at junior level it was, sadly, more about dickhead committee members or sponsors pushing for their sons/nephews to play for a club or they'll stop paying sponsorship every year.... Nationality didn't have much of a say in it mostly...... maybe I never saw it because I had the right sort of surname but I didn't only play for "Greek" clubs in my youth and never came across what you say...... It was in the 80s though so maybe things had changed a little by then? From my memories of the NSL I can't remember ANY club have an exclusive ethnic group of players ONLY.... In fact my favourite Hellas players (apart from Boutsi) were ALL non Greeks. Steve Bair, Dougie Brown, Trimmers, Davo, Crino. Covegny, Durakovic ...etc etc.. You can add Jimmy Armstrong to the list. Hellas had an abundance of non Greek players because despite having the largest migrant population by far, decent Greek players were virtually non existent.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x5 match reports have been put up on the board in the last 2 hours - all with zero responses. Maybe 12 or so years ago, when 442 was still thing and we had a thriving discussion board, those 5 articles may have had 100 comments inside two hours, with 50 different posters getting involved. I mention that because the crowds, the ratings, the media interest, the paucity of posters on this board, the disappearance of the coverage that used occur across a range of media and platforms - it's all part of the same malaise - it's all related - none of it is happening in a vacuum. What are the chances of a recovery? To season 3 levels of crowds and media interest? From where we currently sit - absolutely zero chance. 12 years ago fans of every other club would be eagerly posting our delight at the demise of MV. Now, no one even cares. This forum has definitely reflected the ongoing decline in interest in the league. My EPL team is in a relegation battle and I’m checking the score as soon as I wake. With Brisbane … meh - I know we aren’t going to win nor be relegated so no pressure at all. You see posts by some arguing the current model is viable and nothing would change if the unbelievable happenned opening up (how does one know) The fish where the fish are there - most watch/have interest in other leagues having P/R, their young kids watch and learn about it might I add looking ahead. No matter how good the football can/will be top of the ladder there is Nothing worth playing for x 6 clubs or keeping supporters interest, thats right its same again next season in the hope your Club has recruited for the better next season and that hit and miss, look at MV with all the resource they have the last few seasons. The first club eliminated fro finals was the Bulls on Friday night. The second was Victory last night. Interest was kept for all clubs for 24 of 26 rounds. Compare that to the excitement of the season if you had this under you: (mockup of NST by me)   Beats the absolute shit out of " yeah but technically they had a mathematical chance of making the foinals 3 rounds before the end if every other club did something to earn you 17,6 billion in a 27 leg multi" LFCs post said there was nothing of note for 6 clubs to play for or to provide interest for their fans. This was incorrect. All clubs were playing for a finals spot until the third last week. That relegation provides greater interest in the bottom end of the competition is not disputed bt that point can be made without mis-stating the true situation now. I would like to see P/R between the A-League and the NST once the NST has settled down. I don't believe that will happen for a few years. In say 3 years I think that there will be some clubs that will have demonstrated that they are capable of operating in the A-League bt I also think that there will be clubs that have failed financially trying to operate at the NST level. Id like to see the NST start with say 14 clubs so some clubs can fail and still see a decent sized competition continue until the test period is over. That way clubs seeking promotion to the NST will have a better understanding of the real cost of operating in the NST. Flytox lets get my comment with a bit more context for your understanding. I still standby my post saying the bottom 6 still don't have much to play for - what, 1 of them could sneak into the last 6th spot to play in the consolation play off series. Has it been exciting ? are supporters pumped let alone casuals attending in numbers that should show people are dying to attend. The remaining 5 got nothing else plus what crowds have the last month or so been like for each of them ? compared to say IF the remaining 5 are close having to avoid relegation ????? It just does not have anywhere near the excitement what we're watching in other leagues happenning right now at the business end of 1st past the post, CL spots,Europa spots, Conference league spots then add in relegation battles and keeping an eye on the league below who's inline for promotion. Pease turn it up with all due respect, our current battles have nothing in comparison let alone they nothing to lose, like drinking non alcholic beverages.
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+x+x+x+x+x5 match reports have been put up on the board in the last 2 hours - all with zero responses. Maybe 12 or so years ago, when 442 was still thing and we had a thriving discussion board, those 5 articles may have had 100 comments inside two hours, with 50 different posters getting involved. I mention that because the crowds, the ratings, the media interest, the paucity of posters on this board, the disappearance of the coverage that used occur across a range of media and platforms - it's all part of the same malaise - it's all related - none of it is happening in a vacuum. What are the chances of a recovery? To season 3 levels of crowds and media interest? From where we currently sit - absolutely zero chance. 12 years ago fans of every other club would be eagerly posting our delight at the demise of MV. Now, no one even cares. This forum has definitely reflected the ongoing decline in interest in the league. My EPL team is in a relegation battle and I’m checking the score as soon as I wake. With Brisbane … meh - I know we aren’t going to win nor be relegated so no pressure at all. You see posts by some arguing the current model is viable and nothing would change if the unbelievable happenned opening up (how does one know) The fish where the fish are there - most watch/have interest in other leagues having P/R, their young kids watch and learn about it might I add looking ahead. No matter how good the football can/will be top of the ladder there is Nothing worth playing for x 6 clubs or keeping supporters interest, thats right its same again next season in the hope your Club has recruited for the better next season and that hit and miss, look at MV with all the resource they have the last few seasons. The first club eliminated fro finals was the Bulls on Friday night. The second was Victory last night. Interest was kept for all clubs for 24 of 26 rounds. Compare that to the excitement of the season if you had this under you: (mockup of NST by me) Beats the absolute shit out of " yeah but technically they had a mathematical chance of making the foinals 3 rounds before the end if every other club did something to earn you 17,6 billion in a 27 leg multi" Are you suggesting we keep the salary cap as well as have relegation though? Once you remove the cap the league will be way more stretched out than it is now. We definetly need relegation, but it will probably look closer to the bottom of your NPL table there.
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+x+x+x+x+x5 match reports have been put up on the board in the last 2 hours - all with zero responses. Maybe 12 or so years ago, when 442 was still thing and we had a thriving discussion board, those 5 articles may have had 100 comments inside two hours, with 50 different posters getting involved. I mention that because the crowds, the ratings, the media interest, the paucity of posters on this board, the disappearance of the coverage that used occur across a range of media and platforms - it's all part of the same malaise - it's all related - none of it is happening in a vacuum. What are the chances of a recovery? To season 3 levels of crowds and media interest? From where we currently sit - absolutely zero chance. 12 years ago fans of every other club would be eagerly posting our delight at the demise of MV. Now, no one even cares. This forum has definitely reflected the ongoing decline in interest in the league. My EPL team is in a relegation battle and I’m checking the score as soon as I wake. With Brisbane … meh - I know we aren’t going to win nor be relegated so no pressure at all. You see posts by some arguing the current model is viable and nothing would change if the unbelievable happenned opening up (how does one know) The fish where the fish are there - most watch/have interest in other leagues having P/R, their young kids watch and learn about it might I add looking ahead. No matter how good the football can/will be top of the ladder there is Nothing worth playing for x 6 clubs or keeping supporters interest, thats right its same again next season in the hope your Club has recruited for the better next season and that hit and miss, look at MV with all the resource they have the last few seasons. The first club eliminated fro finals was the Bulls on Friday night. The second was Victory last night. Interest was kept for all clubs for 24 of 26 rounds. Compare that to the excitement of the season if you had this under you: (mockup of NST by me) Beats the absolute shit out of " yeah but technically they had a mathematical chance of making the foinals 3 rounds before the end if every other club did something to earn you 17,6 billion in a 27 leg multi" What a fricken season.... FORZA HELLAS!!!!!!!!!!! Direct swap with Melbourne Victory too. hahahahahah Love your work.
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Just a lazy 23000 at a match in 1962. https://www.facebook.com/groups/169334843168106/permalink/5472185192883018/George Cross v South Melbourne Hellas at Olympic Park in 1962
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+x+x+x+x+x+x5 match reports have been put up on the board in the last 2 hours - all with zero responses. Maybe 12 or so years ago, when 442 was still thing and we had a thriving discussion board, those 5 articles may have had 100 comments inside two hours, with 50 different posters getting involved. I mention that because the crowds, the ratings, the media interest, the paucity of posters on this board, the disappearance of the coverage that used occur across a range of media and platforms - it's all part of the same malaise - it's all related - none of it is happening in a vacuum. What are the chances of a recovery? To season 3 levels of crowds and media interest? From where we currently sit - absolutely zero chance. 12 years ago fans of every other club would be eagerly posting our delight at the demise of MV. Now, no one even cares. This forum has definitely reflected the ongoing decline in interest in the league. My EPL team is in a relegation battle and I’m checking the score as soon as I wake. With Brisbane … meh - I know we aren’t going to win nor be relegated so no pressure at all. You see posts by some arguing the current model is viable and nothing would change if the unbelievable happenned opening up (how does one know) The fish where the fish are there - most watch/have interest in other leagues having P/R, their young kids watch and learn about it might I add looking ahead. No matter how good the football can/will be top of the ladder there is Nothing worth playing for x 6 clubs or keeping supporters interest, thats right its same again next season in the hope your Club has recruited for the better next season and that hit and miss, look at MV with all the resource they have the last few seasons. The first club eliminated fro finals was the Bulls on Friday night. The second was Victory last night. Interest was kept for all clubs for 24 of 26 rounds. Compare that to the excitement of the season if you had this under you: (mockup of NST by me) Beats the absolute shit out of " yeah but technically they had a mathematical chance of making the foinals 3 rounds before the end if every other club did something to earn you 17,6 billion in a 27 leg multi" I would like to see P/R between the A-League and the NST once the NST has settled down. I don't believe that will happen for a few years. In say 3 years I think that there will be some clubs that will have demonstrated that they are capable of operating in the A-League bt I also think that there will be clubs that have failed financially trying to operate at the NST level. Id like to see the NST start with say 14 clubs so some clubs can fail and still see a decent sized competition continue until the test period is over. That way clubs seeking promotion to the NST will have a better understanding of the real cost of operating in the NST. I'm really good with having 2 divisions of 14 teams without P/r from the get go. I think the best approach re P/r wouldn't be "when it's ready" but rather setting the date and if clubs aren't ready then that's what relegation is for. I think 5 years gives everyone enough time to prepare. The important thing is getting the divisions functioning and have something concrete in the timeline for clubs to have that incentive to aspire. I'm also good with the initial movement between tiers being decided by a playoff final, not automatic.
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+x+x+x+x+x5 match reports have been put up on the board in the last 2 hours - all with zero responses. Maybe 12 or so years ago, when 442 was still thing and we had a thriving discussion board, those 5 articles may have had 100 comments inside two hours, with 50 different posters getting involved. I mention that because the crowds, the ratings, the media interest, the paucity of posters on this board, the disappearance of the coverage that used occur across a range of media and platforms - it's all part of the same malaise - it's all related - none of it is happening in a vacuum. What are the chances of a recovery? To season 3 levels of crowds and media interest? From where we currently sit - absolutely zero chance. 12 years ago fans of every other club would be eagerly posting our delight at the demise of MV. Now, no one even cares. This forum has definitely reflected the ongoing decline in interest in the league. My EPL team is in a relegation battle and I’m checking the score as soon as I wake. With Brisbane … meh - I know we aren’t going to win nor be relegated so no pressure at all. You see posts by some arguing the current model is viable and nothing would change if the unbelievable happenned opening up (how does one know) The fish where the fish are there - most watch/have interest in other leagues having P/R, their young kids watch and learn about it might I add looking ahead. No matter how good the football can/will be top of the ladder there is Nothing worth playing for x 6 clubs or keeping supporters interest, thats right its same again next season in the hope your Club has recruited for the better next season and that hit and miss, look at MV with all the resource they have the last few seasons. The first club eliminated fro finals was the Bulls on Friday night. The second was Victory last night. Interest was kept for all clubs for 24 of 26 rounds. Compare that to the excitement of the season if you had this under you: (mockup of NST by me) Beats the absolute shit out of " yeah but technically they had a mathematical chance of making the foinals 3 rounds before the end if every other club did something to earn you 17,6 billion in a 27 leg multi" LFCs post said there was nothing of note for 6 clubs to play for or to provide interest for their fans. This was incorrect. All clubs were playing for a finals spot until the third last week. That relegation provides greater interest in the bottom end of the competition is not disputed bt that point can be made without mis-stating the true situation now. I would like to see P/R between the A-League and the NST once the NST has settled down. I don't believe that will happen for a few years. In say 3 years I think that there will be some clubs that will have demonstrated that they are capable of operating in the A-League bt I also think that there will be clubs that have failed financially trying to operate at the NST level. Id like to see the NST start with say 14 clubs so some clubs can fail and still see a decent sized competition continue until the test period is over. That way clubs seeking promotion to the NST will have a better understanding of the real cost of operating in the NST.
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+x+x+x+x5 match reports have been put up on the board in the last 2 hours - all with zero responses. Maybe 12 or so years ago, when 442 was still thing and we had a thriving discussion board, those 5 articles may have had 100 comments inside two hours, with 50 different posters getting involved. I mention that because the crowds, the ratings, the media interest, the paucity of posters on this board, the disappearance of the coverage that used occur across a range of media and platforms - it's all part of the same malaise - it's all related - none of it is happening in a vacuum. What are the chances of a recovery? To season 3 levels of crowds and media interest? From where we currently sit - absolutely zero chance. 12 years ago fans of every other club would be eagerly posting our delight at the demise of MV. Now, no one even cares. This forum has definitely reflected the ongoing decline in interest in the league. My EPL team is in a relegation battle and I’m checking the score as soon as I wake. With Brisbane … meh - I know we aren’t going to win nor be relegated so no pressure at all. You see posts by some arguing the current model is viable and nothing would change if the unbelievable happenned opening up (how does one know) The fish where the fish are there - most watch/have interest in other leagues having P/R, their young kids watch and learn about it might I add looking ahead. No matter how good the football can/will be top of the ladder there is Nothing worth playing for x 6 clubs or keeping supporters interest, thats right its same again next season in the hope your Club has recruited for the better next season and that hit and miss, look at MV with all the resource they have the last few seasons. The first club eliminated fro finals was the Bulls on Friday night. The second was Victory last night. Interest was kept for all clubs for 24 of 26 rounds. Compare that to the excitement of the season if you had this under you: (mockup of NST by me) Beats the absolute shit out of " yeah but technically they had a mathematical chance of making the foinals 3 rounds before the end if every other club did something to earn you 17,6 billion in a 27 leg multi"
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+x+x+xInteresting reading the comments from the immigrant children who grew up here last mid century. As someone who grew up in the 90s it always seemed the wogs, ie croats, greeks, italitans etc were so well integrated and accepted and contributed to this notion of Australia being the most successful multicultural nation. One can understand why people like mono, having experienced racism himself growing up, would in turn become racist and want to keep soccer for themselves rather than falling into the pasty hands of mainstream society. Thankfully most of those anachronistic attitudes have died out and football is the one sport you can go to and feel accepted, regardless of your ethnic background. That's why the NSL failed, the great push to assimilate the sport into the national consciousness had been gaining momentum since the 90s but was stifled by people like mono and their fathers whose decision making and attitudes were influenced by the chip on their shoulder derived from their experiences growing up. Righto Cletus Clearly, not only are you a Mono apologist but a racist too. I'm not even mad tho. It's like, this is exactly the undertone of what comes through his posts all the time. Now he's saying what he thinks directly rather than through what he pretends to be an opinion "about football". And he thinks we are actually that dumb that we believe him saying it's an opinion about football... This makes me even more excited about the nst. We're getting the band back together and we all need to get along because just fuck off if you don't - we're hitting our 40s and tired of this shit. I love it, not just to see some proud old clubs back, but also its potential to rekindle my interest in the AL itself.
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+x+xInteresting reading the comments from the immigrant children who grew up here last mid century. As someone who grew up in the 90s it always seemed the wogs, ie croats, greeks, italitans etc were so well integrated and accepted and contributed to this notion of Australia being the most successful multicultural nation. One can understand why people like mono, having experienced racism himself growing up, would in turn become racist and want to keep soccer for themselves rather than falling into the pasty hands of mainstream society. Thankfully most of those anachronistic attitudes have died out and football is the one sport you can go to and feel accepted, regardless of your ethnic background. That's why the NSL failed, the great push to assimilate the sport into the national consciousness had been gaining momentum since the 90s but was stifled by people like mono and their fathers whose decision making and attitudes were influenced by the chip on their shoulder derived from their experiences growing up. Righto Cletus Clearly, not only are you a Mono apologist but a racist too.
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