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Two things I did notice last game is was Morrin running hard off Edwards, and Preston running hard off Burton.

Both players close to making a line break and scoring on a few occasions.

TPJ also running hard, but we need to build combinations.

Averillo and Kiraz have a good combination.

Burton and Fox, need to get back to working well together, perhaps a bit rusty.

Karl needs a backrower with tackle breaking ability on his side, he seems to have the passing ability.
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Parra have invested a lot in middle forwards with a lot of size.

Paulo, RJG, Hopgood, Maddison, Greig, Ofahengue, Ogden, Makatoa - all imports.

The have also imported a lot of second rowers and  3/4 of their spine.

2 points.

1. Big forward packs win games, and have always won games.

2. They are not a development club, we are rebuilding and they have more imports than we do.
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My favorite  Parra memory is Sterlo getting absolutely bashed behind a badly beaten pack of forwards, those were the days. 

Nothing personal, for a Parra player, Sterlo is almost human. 😁
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hounddog - 27 May 2023 8:39 AM
My favorite  Parra memory is Sterlo getting absolutely bashed behind a badly beaten pack of forwards, those were the days. 

Nothing personal, for a Parra player, Sterlo is almost human. 😁

And constantly whinging to the ref.
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Mooloolabadog - 27 May 2023 10:57 AM
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And constantly whinging to the ref.

Must be the $6M man’s idol…
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dman2018 - 26 May 2023 9:16 PM
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Why do you think it’s a good chance???…

Id obviously love it on both the footy and Mockstradamus fronts..

If it happens, i stop supporting the dogs till he's gone but will remain on here trolling the shit out of you all!
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Marki - 27 May 2023 1:25 PM
dman2018 - 26 May 2023 9:16 PM

If it happens, i stop supporting the dogs till he's gone but will remain on here trolling the shit out of you all!

Sounds like a Kennel thing! You'd be told to fvck off  because we don't need that sh!t in here.
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Marki - 27 May 2023 1:25 PM
dman2018 - 26 May 2023 9:16 PM

If it happens, i stop supporting the dogs till he's gone but will remain on here trolling the shit out of you all!

You’d have to start supporting them to stop…
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Interesting…
Bunker checking a no try ruling…
Ref says after a couple of replays “he (bloke with ball) is ready to play it”…
I assume that meant don’t keep looking… 
So we now have ref making a call, bunker tipping ref, then ref tipping bunker… 

I’ve see it happen regularly where the players no it’s a no try and are ready to live on… Im glad we didn’t have to watch 27 replays… but sadly the ref tipping the bunker will eventually lead to more than one stuff up…
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Have said it before plentyjof times but will say it again.. DWZs Soul Glow hair is spectacular!!!…
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Marki - 27 May 2023 1:25 PM
dman2018 - 26 May 2023 9:16 PM

If it happens, i stop supporting the dogs till he's gone but will remain on here trolling the shit out of you all!

Come on down Haas, a great signing just got even better.

When you stop supporting the Dogs, I expect less criticism...

When we lift the premiership trophy, the rest of us will be partying.
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dman2018 - 27 May 2023 6:14 PM
Have said it before plentyjof times but will say it again.. DWZs Soul Glow hair is spectacular!!!…

I should have got permanent waves my hair at high school #MissedOpportunity 

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Are we getting value from Burton at half.  Is his involvement  satisfactory. 
Round 12:
Burton 39 receipts
Moses fifties
Hynes seventies
Clearly nineties
Even Bronco's  stand in Madden, almost sixty.
He needs to get involved or we need a new half back. You can't  perform  if you're  not involved.
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Mooloolabadog - 27 May 2023 9:52 PM
Are we getting value from Burton at half.  Is his involvement  satisfactory. 
Round 12:
Burton 39 receipts
Moses fifties
Hynes seventies
Clearly nineties
Even Bronco's  stand in Madden, almost sixty.
He needs to get involved or we need a new half back. You can't  perform  if you're  not involved.

Cleary not clearly
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Mooloolabadog - 27 May 2023 9:52 PM
Are we getting value from Burton at half.  Is his involvement  satisfactory. 
Round 12:
Burton 39 receipts
Moses fifties
Hynes seventies
Clearly nineties
Even Bronco's  stand in Madden, almost sixty.
He needs to get involved or we need a new half back. You can't  perform  if you're  not involved.

You are not wrong.
It's made worse when you think he has a rookie at 5/8th and a fullback that is not exactly a natural ball player....

It's Burton who should be demanding the ball.
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Mooloolabadog - 27 May 2023 9:52 PM
Are we getting value from Burton at half.  Is his involvement  satisfactory. 
Round 12:
Burton 39 receipts
Moses fifties
Hynes seventies
Clearly nineties
Even Bronco's  stand in Madden, almost sixty.
He needs to get involved or we need a new half back. You can't  perform  if you're  not involved.

When we are running yardage sets out of our end, or we don't have the ball there is not much that the halfback can do.

The stronger sides have a lot more ball at their opponents end, hence more opportunity to be involved.

For the players we have at the club, we have the right halves combination for now.

If we could get a reasonable deal on Ben Hunt for 23/24  that is worth considering.
But a team like the Roosters might be interested, and they may need him even more than we do, they are not patient.

My latest thought is start Okunbor on the right edge in place of Wardell until Kicks comes back.

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If we didn't have Burto wearing 7, fans would.

1. Expect young Karl to play like a halfback with 5 seasons of NRL experience.

2. Want to bring back Flanno, who isn't the answer.

3. Want to rush young Hayward will before he is ready.

4. Want to spend $6 million on a flat track bully.

Ok I know the answer is really .... All of the above 

I doubt that Burton will be a long term 7, but who knows, for the rest of this season, he probably is the 7.
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Mooloolabadog - 27 May 2023 9:52 PM
Are we getting value from Burton at half.  Is his involvement  satisfactory. 
Round 12:
Burton 39 receipts
Moses fifties
Hynes seventies
Clearly nineties
Even Bronco's  stand in Madden, almost sixty.
He needs to get involved or we need a new half back. You can't  perform  if you're  not involved.

We def need to get more out of him, and he is growing… and he would be well aware of what he needs to do… not even 1.5 years as a first grade half… 4 weeks as a 7… he needs a little more time…

HD makes fair points re quality of possession…

To compare one stat from one game with Cleary, Hynes, and even the $6M dollar man (won nothing, never will) doesn’t really tell us the whole story…

In Rd 12 Fox Sports stats (not that these tell the whole story either or maybe even any story…)
Burto - 3 try assists, 1 line break, 5 tackle busts.  
Munster - 0 TA, 0 LB, 1 TB
Hughes - 2 TA , 0 LB, 2TB
Cleary - 0, TA 2 LB, 6 TB
Luai - 1,0,1
$6M - 4,0,2
Brown - 1,1,4
Hynes - 0,1,3
Madden - 0,0,0
Mam - 0,0,3
Walker - 3,1,3
Ilias - 0,0,2


Anyway… yes he needs to get his hands on the ball more regularly and I expect he will as he and the squad grow…

Not saying you are, but I’m stunned at the number of self anointed experts writing him off on fan pages…Didn’t realise how many kids coaches knew more about footy than Gus and CC…




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dman2018 - 26 May 2023 9:29 PM
See.. the shit thing is… CC and Co build a squad… work on a culture… work on D and A… work on specific skills and combinations…. Work on doing what’s best to assist the individual develop and grow…even play within themselves while all this is happening… build resilience during an injury affected season… start to make changes… start to release the shackles…Then when it comes together some fekking know it all will say ‘I told you we should get more line breaks, I coach kids’… 

Lol. Exactly what looks like happening. We have a young team with too many injuries. Fair excuse to be poor defensively. I just hope they don’t make excuses. The ‘next man up’ mentality needs to persist. 

Ideally we bring through a couple of very good props. Or sign one

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dman2018 - 27 May 2023 6:09 PM
Interesting…
Bunker checking a no try ruling…
Ref says after a couple of replays “he (bloke with ball) is ready to play it”…
I assume that meant don’t keep looking… 
So we now have ref making a call, bunker tipping ref, then ref tipping bunker… 

I’ve see it happen regularly where the players no it’s a no try and are ready to live on… Im glad we didn’t have to watch 27 replays… but sadly the ref tipping the bunker will eventually lead to more than one stuff up…

I would love to see the statistics on controversial decisions made by the video ref compared to the ref making the call. I would not be surprised if the video ref is making as many questionable rulings as the refs on the field. And if so. Gould has a point. Video ref only use is to check grounding if the ball. 
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dman2018 - 28 May 2023 10:54 AM
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We def need to get more out of him, and he is growing… and he would be well aware of what he needs to do… not even 1.5 years as a first grade half… 4 weeks as a 7… he needs a little more time…

HD makes fair points re quality of possession…

To compare one stat from one game with Cleary, Hynes, and even the $6M dollar man (won nothing, never will) doesn’t really tell us the whole story…

In Rd 12 Fox Sports stats (not that these tell the whole story either or maybe even any story…)
Burto - 3 try assists, 1 line break, 5 tackle busts.  
Munster - 0 TA, 0 LB, 1 TB
Hughes - 2 TA , 0 LB, 2TB
Cleary - 0, TA 2 LB, 6 TB
Luai - 1,0,1
$6M - 4,0,2
Brown - 1,1,4
Hynes - 0,1,3
Madden - 0,0,0
Mam - 0,0,3
Walker - 3,1,3
Ilias - 0,0,2


Anyway… yes he needs to get his hands on the ball more regularly and I expect he will as he and the squad grow…

Not saying you are, but I’m stunned at the number of self anointed experts writing him off on fan pages…Didn’t realise how many kids coaches knew more about footy than Gus and CC…




Those stats show how good he could be. He is young and needs more time. I get the feeling he will become a great halfback. We all just need to be patient. 

What’s more important is the players we can put around him while he is learning. We desperately need another prop if Thommo is gone. Maybe two more. After that it’s just bringing through the right juniors. 

This year we most likely won’t achieve big things. But sticking with our spine is important for next year. That’s when we are a chance if everybody plays to their potential 

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Another good week for bunker and refs so far…. 
Try on the 7th tackle…
Try to Riki from an obviously deliberate forward pass…
Plus another example of this weird ‘game management’ attitude where only a defender can infringe in the ruck, pass after or as held is called = PTB, strip as held is called = penalty…  

it’s dead set amateur hour under Shammersly…

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Micko - 28 May 2023 11:59 AM
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I would love to see the statistics on controversial decisions made by the video ref compared to the ref making the call. I would not be surprised if the video ref is making as many questionable rulings as the refs on the field. And if so. Gould has a point. Video ref only use is to check grounding if the ball. 

Nothing is controversial under Shammersly… at best it’s a mistake, ‘like players make mistake too’…

Thw bunker should get nothing wrong with the trch and time they have to review…

Bunker absolutely should only be able to rule on trys… An should not be allowed to tip refs through the game…
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We def need to get more out of him, and he is growing… and he would be well aware of what he needs to do… not even 1.5 years as a first grade half… 4 weeks as a 7… he needs a little more time…

HD makes fair points re quality of possession…

To compare one stat from one game with Cleary, Hynes, and even the $6M dollar man (won nothing, never will) doesn’t really tell us the whole story…

In Rd 12 Fox Sports stats (not that these tell the whole story either or maybe even any story…)
Burto - 3 try assists, 1 line break, 5 tackle busts.  
Munster - 0 TA, 0 LB, 1 TB
Hughes - 2 TA , 0 LB, 2TB
Cleary - 0, TA 2 LB, 6 TB
Luai - 1,0,1
$6M - 4,0,2
Brown - 1,1,4
Hynes - 0,1,3
Madden - 0,0,0
Mam - 0,0,3
Walker - 3,1,3
Ilias - 0,0,2


Anyway… yes he needs to get his hands on the ball more regularly and I expect he will as he and the squad grow…

Not saying you are, but I’m stunned at the number of self anointed experts writing him off on fan pages…Didn’t realise how many kids coaches knew more about footy than Gus and CC…




Not that they will voice their opinions publicly but I reckon CC and Gus are well aware of Burton's (let's say) meek assertiveness in the halves.

And that's at both 5/8th and Halfback.

I think the positional change was equally as much to force him into first receiver role as it was to ease KO into first grade.

The league experts like A Johns, Thurston and co have been less silent on the matter....
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Micko - 28 May 2023 11:59 AM
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I would love to see the statistics on controversial decisions made by the video ref compared to the ref making the call. I would not be surprised if the video ref is making as many questionable rulings as the refs on the field. And if so. Gould has a point. Video ref only use is to check grounding if the ball. 

Nope. It's just that the public acknowledges the on field ref has split second decision and only 1 view shot to make a decision.

The video ref has more time and angles but I'd making decisions based on millimetres or fraction of a second.

My thoughts on the bunker is that they should view the slo-mo replays but only make their final decision upon viewing the incident in normal speed and make a call on that basis.

Too many decisions are given on technicalities when in real time, players had absolutely no chance of altering their play.

This is particularly important on kick pressure tackles or high shots.
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Marki - 28 May 2023 12:50 PM
Micko - 28 May 2023 11:59 AM

Nope. It's just that the public acknowledges the on field ref has split second decision and only 1 view shot to make a decision.

The video ref has more time and angles but I'd making decisions based on millimetres or fraction of a second.

My thoughts on the bunker is that they should view the slo-mo replays but only make their final decision upon viewing the incident in normal speed and make a call on that basis.

Too many decisions are given on technicalities when in real time, players had absolutely no chance of altering their play.

This is particularly important on kick pressure tackles or high shots.

F#ck the bunker off. If ref unsure let him review on big screen and make a decision. The ref should also be able to make most decisions  live. If not he is not suited to the job. These endless  delays often benefit one team or the other.
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dman2018 - 28 May 2023 12:12 PM
it’s dead set amateur hour under Shammersly…

I have to agree with you wholeheartedly. Sergeant Annesley and his Keystone Kops.
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Marki - 28 May 2023 12:45 PM
dman2018 - 28 May 2023 10:54 AM

Not that they will voice their opinions publicly but I reckon CC and Gus are well aware of Burton's (let's say) meek assertiveness in the halves.

And that's at both 5/8th and Halfback.

I think the positional change was equally as much to force him into first receiver role as it was to ease KO into first grade.

The league experts like A Johns, Thurston and co have been less silent on the matter....

Ummm I think the Coach made it clear publicly why the change… hands on the ball more… only a crap coach would come out call a player meek… which he ain’t… 

And it don’t take no super genius to figure out it would have been too much to throw KO in the 7… and we couldn’t keep playing Flanno…

Nor do we JT and the 8th  to provide an obvious insight…

We all agree he needs to do more… Where we disagree is on the potential for that happening and what would be a reasonable growth trajectory, and how to manage that growth…



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Marki - 28 May 2023 12:50 PM
Micko - 28 May 2023 11:59 AM

Nope. It's just that the public acknowledges the on field ref has split second decision and only 1 view shot to make a decision.

The video ref has more time and angles but I'd making decisions based on millimetres or fraction of a second.

My thoughts on the bunker is that they should view the slo-mo replays but only make their final decision upon viewing the incident in normal speed and make a call on that basis.

Too many decisions are given on technicalities when in real time, players had absolutely no chance of altering their play.

This is particularly important on kick pressure tackles or high shots.

Watching slo mo then making a decision based on the normal speed replay is completely unworkable… For ‘em refs and fans…
”OK Sutto, based on the slo mo replay every viewer has seen 17 times,  he’s clearly short of the line, but it looked ok in real time so TRY”…

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Thank God  the bunker finally gut involved in this game with a dodgy sin bin and try… the 14 penalties and 4 restarts  in the first half was  nowhere near enough involvement from the refs…
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