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Nicely played by Royal. 2:2. Such fun.

For Spurs fans it's so refreshing they seem movement and quick play forward. You can't look away. 

Hey Maddison nudged that! Get me some more fantasy points. 

Feels a bit like Asia away with teams sitting deep, struggling to break down. By no means are Brentford poor, rather tactically smart and organised to counter Ange's system. 

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Great goal Royal. 2-2. Maddison clear foul in the build-up not whistled had more contact than the penalty given. 
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Quicky - 13 Aug 2023 11:47 PM
Really poor defending by Sanchez. Tottenham shakier in defence after Romero went off. 

We'll have to wait and see how well Romero shores up the defence. Think Henry might have just been offside there but exposure to back.

Feed pixelled a lot for me. Massive storm over sky HQ so it's got to be that.
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Hilarious Angeball tweets 'Angeball is fun but you have to live in a haunted house.'
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That was nowhere near Angeball.  Way too slow, far too many touches on the ball, too static, completely useless wingers.

These players are in for a rude shock if they think that's what Postecoglou expects.

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Enzo Bearzot - 14 Aug 2023 1:18 AM
That was nowhere near Angeball.  Way too slow, far too many touches on the ball, too static, completely useless wingers.

These players are in for a rude shock if they think that's what Postecoglou expects.

Also works both ways. These players think they have seen it all, and if they don’t buy in, they will get him sacked.
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Postecoglou is a shrewd operator.  I think he'll find a way.

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jas88 - 13 Aug 2023 11:12 PM
just feels surreal seeing Ange in an EPL game.

I know right..... ... I guess like alot of others on here Ive just begrudgingly been "gifted: a secondary EPL club to follow:)
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Enzo Bearzot - 14 Aug 2023 1:18 AM
That was nowhere near Angeball.  Way too slow, far too many touches on the ball, too static, completely useless wingers.

These players are in for a rude shock if they think that's what Postecoglou expects.

if by "static" you mean garbage sideways and backwards :) TBF Brentford were pretty compact, I reckon even flighty squads like Newcastle and Man City will have trouble tucking balls in behind them this year.
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Interesting comments at the end of the post match presser about refereeing. Along the lines of the refs needing to hurry up the play early so that there aren't as many stoppages and the game flows better. In response to the large stoppage time minutes.  
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Quicky - 14 Aug 2023 9:44 AM

Interesting comments at the end of the post match presser about refereeing. Along the lines of the refs needing to hurry up the play early so that there aren't as many stoppages and the game flows better. In response to the large stoppage time minutes.  

11mins at end of 1st half for Spurs match!!!  Some of these games are gonna go for 110-130 minutes as the season rolls on....
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Monoethnic Social Club - 14 Aug 2023 9:57 AM
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11mins at end of 1st half for Spurs match!!!  Some of these games are gonna go for 110-130 minutes as the season rolls on....

It'll be interesting to see if the refs adjust and hurry things up earlier like Ange suggested. It really highlights those disruptive tactics which a team like Brentford thrives on. They try to slow things down, stay compact in defence and create chances on the counter. It definitely benefits Tottenham to maintain more flow. I'm in two minds because it's good to see different tactics and there is already a big gap between the top teams and the rest. That could widen the gap and at the end of the day what you get the extra stoppage time for. 
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Quicky - 14 Aug 2023 10:05 AM
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It'll be interesting to see if the refs adjust and hurry things up earlier like Ange suggested. It really highlights those disruptive tactics which a team like Brentford thrives on. They try to slow things down, stay compact in defence and create chances on the counter. It definitely benefits Tottenham to maintain more flow. I'm in two minds because it's good to see different tactics and there is already a big gap between the top teams and the rest. That could widen the gap and at the end of the day what you get the extra stoppage time for. 

Watch the amount of fouls his team gives away when they lose possesion. Very cynical.
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Monoethnic Social Club - 14 Aug 2023 9:36 AM
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if by "static" you mean garbage sideways and backwards :) TBF Brentford were pretty compact, I reckon even flighty squads like Newcastle and Man City will have trouble tucking balls in behind them this year.

There's  a Celtic training video where he urges the players to keep moving -them and the ball-and where yells out " Yes!, yes! when they move it on one touch and then We never stop! We NEVER stop!".  T

Tottenham as you say were ponderous on the ball, sideways, backwards even back to the keeper (would have done Ange's nut in)

His Celtic team worked hard to win possession back quickly but then they were required to move it on quickly, one touch if possible, team mates moving off the ball, wingers and full-backs combining with speed to beat their man and provide cut backs and crosses into the box  

Richarilson is copping flack, but the guy was barely give a sniff by Son and Kulusevksi who are no way suitable to play the system like Jota and Maeda were at Celtic.

Ange's Cetic went toe to toe with Ream Madrid ( and could easily have been 2-0 up). They'd beat this Tottenham team.  Kyogo could slot in to this team easily.

Ange's is surveying the lay of the land at the club, he knows he can't yet go mental at the players yet, but there's a reason he's lost more hair in 3 months then he did in the previous ten years.  He has a mountain to climb.

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SUTHERLANDBEAR - 14 Aug 2023 10:11 AM
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Watch the amount of fouls his team gives away when they lose possesion. Very cynical.

Noted that, but TBF the ref was a bit of a knob too.

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Only criticism I've had with Ange over the years is his inability to make changes to change a game... when Brentford made 3 changes he should of swapped Son for Solomon and Skipp for Lo Celso and get his wingers standing on the touch line the rest of the game no where near enough width against a back 5.

Only saw maybe 5 decent balls across the box for Richie but he needs more service. But yeah movement and passing just way too slow atm. 
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I don't spend a lot of time watching the EPL except for the various highlights packages but I did watch last nights match because I have the Optus for the WWC but that was not much chop.

First game of the season, lowly team, new manager and all that BUUUTTTTT, and flame away, I prefer the A League IF it's played in front of good crowds.

Good for Ange and good luck for his season. Will keep an eye on it.


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yes MSC I suppose I have a 2nd or 3rd club to have more interest, infact I do for as mentioned its surreal having a aussie gaffa in the EPL all my years following and some......
I liked hearing comments about him by the pundits be it positive negative, its just so weird but nice as well.
Hoddle did question will his style of play survive for as he said the SPL is nothing compared to EPL, especially defending, he doesn't think so BUT IMO its just 1 game and how many weeks prior.
F all to mould any team - besides Brentford are no mugs they finished 9th 1point behind spudz and a far better GA - if it wasn't for the Kane goals who knows.
Every top flight team they face they know defend defend defend sit back and hit on the counter, plain to see this game.
Frank has done a great job with this club and limited budget, I admire his work.
I actually was impressed by the movement out of the back to mids, Brentford condense really quick hard to penetrate hence why Son/Richarlson were out of the game.

United @ home is gonna be a real tester coming up.



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I really think Cole Palmer wouldnt be bad option. Would know how to play Ange's system and hes young would be cheap on loan.
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Enzo Bearzot - 14 Aug 2023 10:21 AM
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There's  a Celtic training video where he urges the players to keep moving -them and the ball-and where yells out " Yes!, yes! when they move it on one touch and then We never stop! We NEVER stop!".  T

Tottenham as you say were ponderous on the ball, sideways, backwards even back to the keeper (would have done Ange's nut in)

His Celtic team worked hard to win possession back quickly but then they were required to move it on quickly, one touch if possible, team mates moving off the ball, wingers and full-backs combining with speed to beat their man and provide cut backs and crosses into the box  

Richarilson is copping flack, but the guy was barely give a sniff by Son and Kulusevksi who are no way suitable to play the system like Jota and Maeda were at Celtic.

Ange's Cetic went toe to toe with Ream Madrid ( and could easily have been 2-0 up). They'd beat this Tottenham team.  Kyogo could slot in to this team easily.

Ange's is surveying the lay of the land at the club, he knows he can't yet go mental at the players yet, but there's a reason he's lost more hair in 3 months then he did in the previous ten years.  He has a mountain to climb.

Hahahaha, he just got back from holidays and looking tubby, tanned and terrific :) ... I agree btw, I think Kulusevski may yet redeem himslef, He and Son were far too wide all game , yet the few time he came in, with space he looked for Richarlison to make space..... Ill give Ange a B minus for last night, see what the next few weeks bring.
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LFC. - 14 Aug 2023 11:40 AM
yes MSC I suppose I have a 2nd or 3rd club to have more interest, infact I do for as mentioned its surreal having a aussie gaffa in the EPL all my years following and some......
I liked hearing comments about him by the pundits be it positive negative, its just so weird but nice as well.
Hoddle did question will his style of play survive for as he said the SPL is nothing compared to EPL, especially defending, he doesn't think so BUT IMO its just 1 game and how many weeks prior.
F all to mould any team - besides Brentford are no mugs they finished 9th 1point behind spudz and a far better GA - if it wasn't for the Kane goals who knows.
Every top flight team they face they know defend defend defend sit back and hit on the counter, plain to see this game.
Frank has done a great job with this club and limited budget, I admire his work.
I actually was impressed by the movement out of the back to mids, Brentford condense really quick hard to penetrate hence why Son/Richarlson were out of the game.

United @ home is gonna be a real tester coming up.


Yeah agree mate, thats the one for me......  Brentford was like dipping your little toe into the water, United at home is going to be a huge wake up call..... 

Only problem now (following two clubs) is that I feel asleep during the Liverpool game's second half and today Im like a bear with a sore head..... hahahah farkin football. 
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Enzo Bearzot - 14 Aug 2023 1:18 AM
That was nowhere near Angeball.  Way too slow, far too many touches on the ball, too static, completely useless wingers.

These players are in for a rude shock if they think that's what Postecoglou expects.

Totally agree.  There was about 3 players who were close to the mark but none actually made it. The fullbacks were coming inside to make an overload but they were simply ignored most of the time.  One of them picked up a loose ball and scored though.

Crosses kept coming in half-arsed in the air, "in the mixer" style rather than hard low and directed.  When it was cut back low there was nobody anticipating and moving.
The forward line seemed lost for long periods and at times forgot they had to press with authority not just amble up to block space.
The right side defence really didn't know how to position for a faster winger.

The goals they gave up were stupidity rather than systemic.  Perhaps a penalty that really was a dodgy var call at best.  Other was nothing special.

Only scored one from open play but at least it came from movement of ball and players.
They have a long way to travel yet.

Richarlison needs to watch how Kyogo and Berisha moved to score goals.  He is clearly very talented but was invisible to his suppliers.  Probably come good.


The fans will be doing the usual:

"It's entertaining but we will give up more goals than we score (never ever looking at the Ange-ball stat of consistent lowest against goals).
He'll have to adjust here because this is a bigger league than he's ever played in.
Until we start managing games we will just be giving away points.
I see what he's trying to do but he needs a plan B.
The players will never be able to keep up at this rate.  He will have to get subs on earlier."

And on it goes.

On the last, I've noticed at the beginning of the season he makes his subs later and later to get more work into the legs of the starters.
It's later on that he starts to rotate and rest them. 

They won't have an easy time at training this week methinks.





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Enzo Bearzot - 14 Aug 2023 1:18 AM
That was nowhere near Angeball.  Way too slow, far too many touches on the ball, too static, completely useless wingers.

These players are in for a rude shock if they think that's what Postecoglou expects.

Exactly this. Its also harder against teams that sit back and counter. I'm sure United will come to play, which should make next week interesting. 
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Enzo Bearzot - 14 Aug 2023 1:36 AM
Postecoglou is a shrewd operator.  I think he'll find a way.

Can't teach an old dog new tricks. 

He'll have to ship out the old dross if they don't comply. That is Levy lets him.
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Exactly this. Its also harder against teams that sit back and counter. I'm sure United will come to play, which should make next week interesting. 

Low blocks can be countered with wingers that are two-footed and can go inside/outside of the opposing fullback. 

Son & Kulu are not those type of players unfortunately. 
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Watched Spurs last night they looked fast and freash with lots of passing and fwd play- stock standard 'Ange Ball' i actually think they 'deserved' the win they were largely the better team and the pen was SUPER soft 

however Brentford should of had a 3rd....

I wonder if Kane was there how the game would of gone as Richarlison looks like he isnt cut out for it

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Munrubenmuz - 14 Aug 2023 11:27 AM
I don't spend a lot of time watching the EPL except for the various highlights packages but I did watch last nights match because I have the Optus for the WWC but that was not much chop.

First game of the season, lowly team, new manager and all that BUUUTTTTT, and flame away, I prefer the A League IF it's played in front of good crowds.

Good for Ange and good luck for his season. Will keep an eye on it.

To be honest, I wouldn't flame you for that opinion AT ALL!

In fact, I think the A-league could become a far more compelling competition IF clubs were allowed to forge their own direction/identity and create a true affinity with the fans. 

The EPL for all its grace, has lost its way in recent years with the amount of foreign ownership in the league. It's lost touch with the everyday supporter. It's a bourgeoise league now owned by foreign powers, oligarchs & venture capitalists. 

My take is there is a vocal corner of the Spurs supporter base that wants Enic/Levy out in exchange for Saudi/Qatari/Omani ownership which would probably spell the end of Ange. This contingent of fans will not rest until they have a "Celebrity Manager" in charge with a squad of overpaid, 100mil GBP midfielders and strikers. 
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riquelmes_laces - 14 Aug 2023 3:48 PM
Munrubenmuz - 14 Aug 2023 11:27 AM

To be honest, I wouldn't flame you for that opinion AT ALL!

In fact, I think the A-league could become a far more compelling competition IF clubs were allowed to forge their own direction/identity and create a true affinity with the fans. 

The EPL for all its grace, has lost its way in recent years with the amount of foreign ownership in the league. It's lost touch with the everyday supporter. It's a bourgeoise league now owned by foreign powers, oligarchs & venture capitalists. 

My take is there is a vocal corner of the Spurs supporter base that wants Enic/Levy out in exchange for Saudi/Qatari/Omani ownership which would probably spell the end of Ange. This contingent of fans will not rest until they have a "Celebrity Manager" in charge with a squad of overpaid, 100mil GBP midfielders and strikers
Sadly, I think that is EVERY club now.... Whether thats EPL or Aleague..... I cant remember who said it last night but discussing Spurs "purse" now that they have sold off Kane and the fact that money is great but who is left to buy with it?


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Monoethnic Social Club - 14 Aug 2023 3:53 PM
riquelmes_laces - 14 Aug 2023 3:48 PM
Sadly, I think that is EVERY club now.... Whether thats EPL or Aleague..... I cant remember who said it last night but discussing Spurs "purse" now that they have sold off Kane and the fact that money is great but who is left to buy with it?


Every player is now valued at over 100 mil pounds in England. It's fraudelant. 


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