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huge result... but felt like the old socceroos game holding on for dear life at the end. Top game though.
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Arteta made some strange changes but typical of him. A uplifting London derby - quite level the whole game either side could have won. LFC visiting next up, we are vulnerable at the back at the same time we will open them up going forward gonna be a rippa game.
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Last nights game was reminiscent of how teams thought they could play Brisbane back in the day. Press, press, press and press some more. Make them cough up possession and take advantage. But, as used to happen when teams were doing it to Brisbane, you simply can't keep it up for the full 90. It's not possible. One player in a press only has to be 1m off the pace and they allow them out. The last 15 minutes of the 1st half Spurs were all over them because Arsenal were tiring and not as disciplined. To my eyes Spurs had the better second half. Was good fun and 2 all was probably fair.
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+xLast nights game was reminiscent of how teams thought they could play Brisbane back in the day. Press, press, press and press some more. Make them cough up possession and take advantage. But, as used to happen when teams were doing it to Brisbane, you simply can't keep it up for the full 90. It's not possible. One player in a press only has to be 1m off the pace and they allow them out. The last 15 minutes of the 1st half Spurs were all over them because Arsenal were tiring and not as disciplined. To my eyes Spurs had the better second half. Was good fun and 2 all was probably fair. Was an enjoyable match but a nasty deflection and an unlucky penalty against two lovely crafted goals seems hardly "fair" Penalty every day of the week before anyone questions my comment, but still..... hate those ones as the defender really has no time to react...... Ange still unbeaten in PL and hosting a fiesty Reds next week.... hang onto your hats boys....
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I really think teams that come back from a goal down especially away from home in a derby are pretty strong teams
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2-2 is a fair result but Son could have won it with that great chance after a nice through by Kulusevski but Arsenal are tough at home so a good earned by Spurs.
You can tell in the first half they looked a bit tentative but the second half they played with more confidence, I think over time they will get better as Ange has them for only a few months compared to the other top teams who have their coaches for years.
Watching Ange ball is like being part of a rollercoaster, but its fun to watch i'm so glad he's flying the flag for Oz football.
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+xSpurs equalise but persist with play out from the back madness. I don't understand it. What's the purpose of it? When the opposition knows exactly how to defend it and cuts off all the angles, why would you continue to do something when the only reliable outcome is opportunities and easy goals for the opposition. Not saying to hoof the ball every time but shouldnt' doing so sometimes cause the opposition to sit back and open up the space for playing out from the back to work? There doesn't seem to be rhyme or reason for it other than to satisfy Ange's philosophical urges.
The purpose of playing out is to bring the defenders more forward and play through them and then have space to attack the opposing backline, its risky but it also has its rewards too.
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Good they got a result against the Gunners away will do a lot for his profile amongst fans of all teams Also Arsenal fans online are easily the most annoying fan base in the world so it will pipe them down a bit with this result
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+xI really think teams that come back from a goal down especially away from home in a derby are pretty strong teams yep agreed when playing away, your up against it from the koff and Romero OG Spurs scored 3 of 4 so they were all over it haha. Hanging in for a draw away is near a win feeling at FT, that 10man LFC Toon win away felt like 6points ! So next week of the Top 5 - 4 Clubs yet to have a Loss - this will be no draw like the derby and pressing game is played by both and high lines. Spurs formation is similar/same as Hammers deploy. The positional duels are gonna be great to watch. Maddison vs Macca - infact right across the middle. Son will be the handful obviously farfar more than Antonio ever has been - we're coming together with the minor rebuild one advanatge on paper is quality of subs. Main thing in this game is taking one or 2 of the chances especially on the break. Looking forward to a LFC win fingers crossed :) How your fellas going Davstar.
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+x+xSpurs equalise but persist with play out from the back madness. I don't understand it. What's the purpose of it? When the opposition knows exactly how to defend it and cuts off all the angles, why would you continue to do something when the only reliable outcome is opportunities and easy goals for the opposition. Not saying to hoof the ball every time but shouldnt' doing so sometimes cause the opposition to sit back and open up the space for playing out from the back to work? There doesn't seem to be rhyme or reason for it other than to satisfy Ange's philosophical urges.
The purpose of playing out is to bring the defenders more forward and play through them and then have space to attack the opposing backline, its risky but it also has its rewards too. I don't quite understand this. He is essentially asking defenders who usually lack technical ability to play around and through some of the most technically gifted players in the world. Spurs looked so vulnerable every time they tried to play out through the back, almost likely to cough it up in dangerous areas, especially when Vicario was involved. They struggled to get it out of their own third let alone trouble the Arsenal defenders. There didn't appear to be any reward, most of their attacks came from Arsenal losing the ball rather than Spurs passing it out from the back. I understand that's the way he wants them to play but seems to make sense to hoof it long sometimes to keep your opposition in two minds, which can also then be exploited to create space. I thought Spurs were a bit lucky. A great result in the end, but Man City are a different breed and it could be a cricket score if he tries that silliness against them.
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I think people got their socceroos goggles stuck on.... Ange now has world class players at his disposal... this pressure playing out from back is not a big deal to these players.
Romero bossed it, VDV will still need a bit of time.
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+x+x+xSpurs equalise but persist with play out from the back madness. I don't understand it. What's the purpose of it? When the opposition knows exactly how to defend it and cuts off all the angles, why would you continue to do something when the only reliable outcome is opportunities and easy goals for the opposition. Not saying to hoof the ball every time but shouldnt' doing so sometimes cause the opposition to sit back and open up the space for playing out from the back to work? There doesn't seem to be rhyme or reason for it other than to satisfy Ange's philosophical urges.
The purpose of playing out is to bring the defenders more forward and play through them and then have space to attack the opposing backline, its risky but it also has its rewards too. I don't quite understand this. He is essentially asking defenders who usually lack technical ability to play around and through some of the most technically gifted players in the world. Spurs looked so vulnerable every time they tried to play out through the back, almost likely to cough it up in dangerous areas, especially when Vicario was involved. They struggled to get it out of their own third let alone trouble the Arsenal defenders. There didn't appear to be any reward, most of their attacks came from Arsenal losing the ball rather than Spurs passing it out from the back. I understand that's the way he wants them to play but seems to make sense to hoof it long sometimes to keep your opposition in two minds, which can also then be exploited to create space. I thought Spurs were a bit lucky. A great result in the end, but Man City are a different breed and it could be a cricket score if he tries that silliness against them. Agree. But i guess Ange making them play out from the back means his team are always in control of the ball - as opposed to hoofing it long where possession is often turned over - psychological advantage. But sometimes when under major press yeah they should hoof it long to get out of their defensive third at least. respect to Ange. His first ‘real’ test away vs Gunners and he passed 👏
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I thought Arteta planned really well and caused Spurs trouble at times with their pressing, but they couldn't maintain it. It just shows the virtues of Ange-Ball and on another day Spurs would have won.
I wonder if the critics who are claiming Spurs have played no one are now starting to get it?
Maddison would be a big loss if he is injured.
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+xI thought Arteta planned really well and caused Spurs trouble at times with their pressing, but they couldn't maintain it. It just shows the virtues of Ange-Ball and on another day Spurs would have won. I wonder if the critics who are claiming Spurs have played no one are now starting to get it? Maddison would be a big loss if he is injured. It seemed like precautionary but huge loss if not..... Saka , despite getting Udogie on a yellow early really couldn't get on the ball and despite the pressing as you say they (Arsenal) didn't create that many opportunities but were unlucky not to jag another one from the MAddison turn over.... but master class from Ange sticking to "the system".... Sony almost with the hatrick and if some of the passing from Romero and Bissouna was a little "crisper" Spurs would have got the win... their 3-4 touch counter, when on the fly, is beautiful to watch..... Spurs v Liverpool is shaping up to be a monster of two conflicting styles...... Win win for me Ill be happy either way :)
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+x+x+xSpurs equalise but persist with play out from the back madness. I don't understand it. What's the purpose of it? When the opposition knows exactly how to defend it and cuts off all the angles, why would you continue to do something when the only reliable outcome is opportunities and easy goals for the opposition. Not saying to hoof the ball every time but shouldnt' doing so sometimes cause the opposition to sit back and open up the space for playing out from the back to work? There doesn't seem to be rhyme or reason for it other than to satisfy Ange's philosophical urges.
The purpose of playing out is to bring the defenders more forward and play through them and then have space to attack the opposing backline, its risky but it also has its rewards too. I don't quite understand this. He is essentially asking defenders who usually lack technical ability to play around and through some of the most technically gifted players in the world. Spurs looked so vulnerable every time they tried to play out through the back, almost likely to cough it up in dangerous areas, especially when Vicario was involved. They struggled to get it out of their own third let alone trouble the Arsenal defenders. There didn't appear to be any reward, most of their attacks came from Arsenal losing the ball rather than Spurs passing it out from the back. I understand that's the way he wants them to play but seems to make sense to hoof it long sometimes to keep your opposition in two minds, which can also then be exploited to create space. I thought Spurs were a bit lucky. A great result in the end, but Man City are a different breed and it could be a cricket score if he tries that silliness against them. There is a really good explanation of how Ange uses he's defenders in the build up phase in Tifo football on YouTube, both of he's fullbacks Udogie and Porro play inverted and are capable dribblers and breaking lines with that style as opposed with passing it through like the typical Guardiola system. Van De Ven and Romero are also comfortable on the ball which helps too. Bissoma is an excellent No.6 in terms of scanning and playing out of pressure along with the free roaming Maddison whom is capable of facilitating and creating the play so they have players that could pick up he's style more quickly and effectively. We have to remember they are early in this phase too, I expect they will get better with more time like any Ange coached team and will pick up players that will fit the style and current squad.
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+x+x+x+xSpurs equalise but persist with play out from the back madness. I don't understand it. What's the purpose of it? When the opposition knows exactly how to defend it and cuts off all the angles, why would you continue to do something when the only reliable outcome is opportunities and easy goals for the opposition. Not saying to hoof the ball every time but shouldnt' doing so sometimes cause the opposition to sit back and open up the space for playing out from the back to work? There doesn't seem to be rhyme or reason for it other than to satisfy Ange's philosophical urges.
The purpose of playing out is to bring the defenders more forward and play through them and then have space to attack the opposing backline, its risky but it also has its rewards too. I don't quite understand this. He is essentially asking defenders who usually lack technical ability to play around and through some of the most technically gifted players in the world. Spurs looked so vulnerable every time they tried to play out through the back, almost likely to cough it up in dangerous areas, especially when Vicario was involved. They struggled to get it out of their own third let alone trouble the Arsenal defenders. There didn't appear to be any reward, most of their attacks came from Arsenal losing the ball rather than Spurs passing it out from the back. I understand that's the way he wants them to play but seems to make sense to hoof it long sometimes to keep your opposition in two minds, which can also then be exploited to create space. I thought Spurs were a bit lucky. A great result in the end, but Man City are a different breed and it could be a cricket score if he tries that silliness against them. Agree. But i guess Ange making them play out from the back means his team are always in control of the ball - as opposed to hoofing it long where possession is often turned over - psychological advantage. But sometimes when under major press yeah they should hoof it long to get out of their defensive third at least. respect to Ange. His first ‘real’ test away vs Gunners and he passed 👏 He has done this with almost every team he has coached, I wont forgot the early years at Brisbane Roar where De Vere made an mistake from building up against Victory which they lost but Ange knew he was on the right track once he saw the process early on. This time he has top class players that can pick up this style quickly but I think they will get better with it as this is early on in the season.
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+x+xLast nights game was reminiscent of how teams thought they could play Brisbane back in the day. Press, press, press and press some more. Make them cough up possession and take advantage. But, as used to happen when teams were doing it to Brisbane, you simply can't keep it up for the full 90. It's not possible. One player in a press only has to be 1m off the pace and they allow them out. The last 15 minutes of the 1st half Spurs were all over them because Arsenal were tiring and not as disciplined. To my eyes Spurs had the better second half. Was good fun and 2 all was probably fair. Was an enjoyable match but a nasty deflection and an unlucky penalty against two lovely crafted goals seems hardly "fair" Penalty every day of the week before anyone questions my comment, but still..... hate those ones as the defender really has no time to react...... Ange still unbeaten in PL and hosting a fiesty Reds next week.... hang onto your hats boys.... The current interpretation of handball is stupid. Romero had zero chance of getting his hand out of the way. This was a match defining decision. Then there was the deliberate tackle on Vicario which would and should be straight red anywhere else on the pitch but wasn't given. I don't like how Spurs invite being pressed in their own penalty box putting the keeper under so much pressure. Son's finishing is genuinely world class.
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+xI think people got their socceroos goggles stuck on.... Ange now has world class players at his disposal... this pressure playing out from back is not a big deal to these players. Romero bossed it, VDV will still need a bit of time. What his players are doing is just too slow and ponderous. I thought VDV was the better of him and Romero.
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+x+x+xLast nights game was reminiscent of how teams thought they could play Brisbane back in the day. Press, press, press and press some more. Make them cough up possession and take advantage. But, as used to happen when teams were doing it to Brisbane, you simply can't keep it up for the full 90. It's not possible. One player in a press only has to be 1m off the pace and they allow them out. The last 15 minutes of the 1st half Spurs were all over them because Arsenal were tiring and not as disciplined. To my eyes Spurs had the better second half. Was good fun and 2 all was probably fair. Was an enjoyable match but a nasty deflection and an unlucky penalty against two lovely crafted goals seems hardly "fair" Penalty every day of the week before anyone questions my comment, but still..... hate those ones as the defender really has no time to react...... Ange still unbeaten in PL and hosting a fiesty Reds next week.... hang onto your hats boys.... The current interpretation of handball is stupid. Romero had zero chance of getting his hand out of the way. This was a match defining decision. Then there was the deliberate tackle on Vicario which would and should be straight red anywhere else on the pitch but wasn't given.I don't like how Spurs invite being pressed in their own penalty box putting the keeper under so much pressure. Son's finishing is genuinely world class. Studs up sliding tackle... very late.... Would have been a red card even if it was in the carpark mate I agree.
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Spurs gifted a golden opportunity and I don't mean the Liverpool red card was wrong. Son scores on 36 in a wonderful move. Liverpool scored but for offside. Camera angle showed it on for me but I've not seen the lines drawn up.
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+xSpurs gifted a golden opportunity and I don't mean the Liverpool red card was wrong. Son scores on 36 in a wonderful move. Liverpool scored but for offside. Camera angle showed it on for me but I've not seen the lines drawn up. You don't need the lines drawn - the grass lines show him clearly onside.
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Spurs with only 3 signings? and losing their best player in the offseason have been completely transformed by Ange.
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+xSpurs with only 3 signings? and losing their best player in the offseason have been completely transformed by Ange. He will have more summer signings than Liverpool players on the pitch in a minute
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+x+xSpurs gifted a golden opportunity and I don't mean the Liverpool red card was wrong. Son scores on 36 in a wonderful move. Liverpool scored but for offside. Camera angle showed it on for me but I've not seen the lines drawn up. You don't need the lines drawn - the grass lines show him clearly onside. The camera angle is deceptive. They must have used the software but the broadcast didn't have time to show it. It looks onside but once they turn it directly straight it must be off. Unlike fouls, offside isn't wrongly decided by VAR.
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Another red for Liverpool. I can't see Spurs winning it though. They're a bit scrappy today. Liverpool pound for pound very good.
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BEIN have drawn a line in their studio showing onside. It looks onside and would be very close on a straight angle but I'd like to see the official Premier League footage. With the ball going in surely that all gets checked.
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Own goal isn't textbook Ange ball but we can claim it
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Just wow. At the death a cross it turned in by Matip for an own goal. It's a seemingly very unjust win for Spurs tonight. Given, Liverpool down two men but parking the bus would always be hard to penetrate. On the day that City loses this is a very health gain for Spurs on a lot of the league.
Ange and Spurs didn't seem to really have much idea tonight. It felt a lot more lethargic than other games.
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+xOwn goal isn't textbook Ange ball but we can claim it Yeah I feel pretty undeserved and greedy but that's football and it'll always be taken if presented. Felt Ange didn't seem to have many ideas but the deep sitting Liverpool and Ange ball just scream stalemate.
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+x+xOwn goal isn't textbook Ange ball but we can claim it Yeah I feel pretty undeserved and greedy but that's football and it'll always be taken if presented. Felt Ange didn't seem to have many ideas but the deep sitting Liverpool and Ange ball just scream stalemate. 1. Why should everyone else get the luck 2. It's very easy to look bad playing against 9 where you are expected to break through but your opposition is literally drilled on playing with 9 and locking it all down 7 weeks, hasn't lost a match and Luton coming up. Go fkn get em ange
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