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			    +x+xThere is no one on this forum who can deny that, week in week out,  there's only only one or two teams per round that can put together more than half a game of quality football.That is the reason for the lack of crowds. I think most of you on here look at the highlights and assume that's what it was like for the whole game. Punters on the outside can see there's been no improvement in the simple aspects of ( what should be expected) at this "supposed" elite level.  The game was Western United in Ballarat. That's why the crowd was small. A team no one follows or cares about in a regional town that doesn't support the code. It's more embarassing than the cow bells and attempted atmosphere at a Macarthur game. If pro-rel comes in the stronger teams will replace them and the competition will be better for it imo.   This sums it up to a tee. Remember us in Canberra being given Adelaide v Central Coast games, that no one cared about                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    +x+xThere is no one on this forum who can deny that, week in week out,  there's only only one or two teams per round that can put together more than half a game of quality football.That is the reason for the lack of crowds. I think most of you on here look at the highlights and assume that's what it was like for the whole game. Punters on the outside can see there's been no improvement in the simple aspects of ( what should be expected) at this "supposed" elite level.  The game was Western United in Ballarat. That's why the crowd was small. A team no one follows or cares about in a regional town that doesn't support the code. It's more embarassing than the cow bells and attempted atmosphere at a Macarthur game. If pro-rel comes in the stronger teams will replace them and the competition will be better for it imo.   4100 at a preseason in Coffs. Roar vs Jets. https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/8358020/young-gun-scores-a-double-as-jets-strike-late-to-beat-brisbane/So regional cities can work.                
			    				
			     
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			    there sure is the clash of opinions about the standard of play in this thread compared to MCG's What have the APL done or something like that title. Its pretty sad in the big picture tbh. Sure the diehard AL see it one way and others the opposite. Just imagine IF we had no NT Roos/Tildas where would the game be regards to some press. It would be in backrooms barring podcasts and insta posts really. After 20yrs of how much spent in the modern age it beggars belief. NSL screwed up but I give it some slack due to the times/ignorance/management/racism and the game was pigeon holed and up against it but Lowy with all the business nouse and lets face it he is a football man as much as some would say otherwise really has set the game in limbo with this system and banishment of the past. (greed and control come to mind and wgaf about the rest)...... He would have really believed it was gonna be a success due to his other business model therefore I don't care about anything else.                
			    				
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			    +x+xI think living costs are having a huge impact on crowds. Also how boring is the majority of a league games. Go to your average a league game and it feels so un important. If you have 3 kids like me it costs at least $200 to attend a game with parking, tickets and food/drink.  Add the cost of living and attending the game with the experience you get, its just not worth the money  Here's another one coming up with extraneous excuses. Of course, no other country in the world is struggling with cost of living issues. Have you been watching any o/s football?  Yes but the product is just rubbish.  You don't get what you pay for. Sitting in empty stands thinking my money could have been better used. Kids asking is the game over yet? $200 could be better allocated to something the whole family can enjoy. Kids saying im bored and im actually thinking the same thing LOL                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    +x+xAlso how boring is the majority of a league games.
   It pains me to say this, but I think the standard has dropped significantly this season. There is no money and everyone is playing younger squads. That has to have some impact on crowds.   Ok, so this is the only upside for me, seeing younger players.  The league itself is shit, we are all playing in staduims way too big for the teams and competition. It's depressing sitting in empty stadiums, that's my point. The best games are the FFA Cup games at local grounds with small stadiums where 5,000 makes games feel important and exciting to be at. Play in stadiums that are full are the way to go... If wanderers have to find somewhere that is only 15,000 seats, so be it. This goes for all teams                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Agree that with the majority of matches being boring these days, used to watch every single match, these days struggle to watch an entire match, and that includes my own team.
  IMO, Adelaide matches are by far and away the most exciting to watch this season, but not because its of a good quality, but because the defending/structures is/are so poor we see many goals.  
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			    +x+xThere is no one on this forum who can deny that, week in week out,  there's only only one or two teams per round that can put together more than half a game of quality football.That is the reason for the lack of crowds. I think most of you on here look at the highlights and assume that's what it was like for the whole game. Punters on the outside can see there's been no improvement in the simple aspects of ( what should be expected) at this "supposed" elite level.  The game was Western United in Ballarat. That's why the crowd was small. A team no one follows or cares about in a regional town that doesn't support the code. It's more embarassing than the cow bells and attempted atmosphere at a Macarthur game. If pro-rel comes in the stronger teams will replace them and the competition will be better for it imo.   true about one main point, its a gayfl town more than anything else..... Though having done alot of travels to regional areas and having friends here there they have always been starved of city slicker clubs or events and back in the day despite many not being fans of xyz it was an excuse for a night out something different, many would travel to Syd nrl weekends like they would melb for afl weekends - todays modern world young people prefer going somewhere else indoors playing their own games or online with some bs or a gathering elsewhere I suppose...... WU at least has that victorian dna despite them being newbies were AL Champs just in 22, as if that wasn't known a little with a pop of 117k and how many Jnr football clubs there would be, was there a Ute Muster on the weekend instead..... I can understand not giving a toss entirely re the nix but there is always the usual rivarly between the countries but I suppose they dgaf about that as well. It sure is puzzling to say the least. As for the future and IF we ever see AL absorbed with NST of visa versa I truly hope not but it sure would instill some rippa bitter rivalries past vs the future type of thing as long as its fair regards to budgets same for all as one point. P/R NST below would be a great start to see just hope alot of others think the same to support itwhenever it may commence.                
			    				
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			    Who cares
  - WU bottom of the ladder - played their last week - overcast rainy conditions - small country town - weak opponent
  I'm surprised anyone turned up, to be honest. Judge WU when they're actually playing games in the region they represent.                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    +x+x+xThere is no one on this forum who can deny that, week in week out,  there's only only one or two teams per round that can put together more than half a game of quality football.That is the reason for the lack of crowds. I think most of you on here look at the highlights and assume that's what it was like for the whole game. Punters on the outside can see there's been no improvement in the simple aspects of ( what should be expected) at this "supposed" elite level.  The game was Western United in Ballarat. That's why the crowd was small. A team no one follows or cares about in a regional town that doesn't support the code. It's more embarassing than the cow bells and attempted atmosphere at a Macarthur game. If pro-rel comes in the stronger teams will replace them and the competition will be better for it imo.   4100 at a preseason in Coffs. Roar vs Jets. https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/8358020/young-gun-scores-a-double-as-jets-strike-late-to-beat-brisbane/So regional cities can work.  Ballarat isn't the right city for it.                 
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    +x+x+xIf they're not careful they'll be at some Saudi clubs level soon   Saudis league got a lot more crowd than A league. Average attendance is one of the highest in Asia. You can check the list. You mean compare to K- league? Korea League yes very low attendance.  Yeah two teams get all the crowds. The rest nobody. They had 133 at a game the other week   I have read.   You said 2 teams with pathetic crowd in Saudi league   > that's fault  You said 133 people turned up in a game in Saudi league last week >  that doesnt mean much cuz most Asian league are like that.  You should use K league (Not Saudi league) . Saudi Pro league has far  more attendance than our A league (and not just 2 teams like you said).  You shouldn't compare our league to Saudi League.   The perfect example is A league is becoming K league is the concern.  You don't have to argue , I did follow Asian football. I even follow Malaysia , Thai and Indonesia league for God sake. You don't know shit about Asian football more than me. And I'm not an Aussie. I'm telling you the fact not arguing.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    +x+x+x+xThere is no one on this forum who can deny that, week in week out,  there's only only one or two teams per round that can put together more than half a game of quality football.That is the reason for the lack of crowds. I think most of you on here look at the highlights and assume that's what it was like for the whole game. Punters on the outside can see there's been no improvement in the simple aspects of ( what should be expected) at this "supposed" elite level.  The game was Western United in Ballarat. That's why the crowd was small. A team no one follows or cares about in a regional town that doesn't support the code. It's more embarassing than the cow bells and attempted atmosphere at a Macarthur game. If pro-rel comes in the stronger teams will replace them and the competition will be better for it imo.   4100 at a preseason in Coffs. Roar vs Jets. https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/8358020/young-gun-scores-a-double-as-jets-strike-late-to-beat-brisbane/So regional cities can work.  Ballarat isn't the right city for it.   I'm not saying it is. I'm saying people will go to put the kybosh on anyone saying they shouldn't take matches regionally. Pretty sure Coffs had 6000 at a league fixture last year. (Or the year before.) Give Coffs a team. Better than WU or Macarthur.                
			    				
			     
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			    +x+x+xThere is no one on this forum who can deny that, week in week out,  there's only only one or two teams per round that can put together more than half a game of quality football.That is the reason for the lack of crowds. I think most of you on here look at the highlights and assume that's what it was like for the whole game. Punters on the outside can see there's been no improvement in the simple aspects of ( what should be expected) at this "supposed" elite level.  The game was Western United in Ballarat. That's why the crowd was small. A team no one follows or cares about in a regional town that doesn't support the code. It's more embarassing than the cow bells and attempted atmosphere at a Macarthur game. If pro-rel comes in the stronger teams will replace them and the competition will be better for it imo.   true about one main point, its a gayfl town more than anything else..... Though having done alot of travels to regional areas and having friends here there they have always been starved of city slicker clubs or events and back in the day despite many not being fans of xyz it was an excuse for a night out something different, many would travel to Syd nrl weekends like they would melb for afl weekends - todays modern world young people prefer going somewhere else indoors playing their own games or online with some bs or a gathering elsewhere I suppose...... WU at least has that victorian dna despite them being newbies were AL Champs just in 22, as if that wasn't known a little with a pop of 117k and how many Jnr football clubs there would be, was there a Ute Muster on the weekend instead..... I can understand not giving a toss entirely re the nix but there is always the usual rivarly between the countries but I suppose they dgaf about that as well. It sure is puzzling to say the least. As for the future and IF we ever see AL absorbed with NST of visa versa I truly hope not but it sure would instill some rippa bitter rivalries past vs the future type of thing as long as its fair regards to budgets same for all as one point. P/R NST below would be a great start to see just hope alot of others think the same to support itwhenever it may commence.  Shepparton (home of the Kuol boys) is a gayfl town as you so call it too mate but go back and look at the crowd GVS got against APIA in the round of 32 Australia cup this year, On a Wednesday night too.... People dont wanna go see a travelling franchise circus it seems, who wold have thought eh?                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    +xWho cares - WU bottom of the ladder - played their last week - overcast rainy conditions - small country town - weak opponent I'm surprised anyone turned up, to be honest. Judge WU when they're actually playing games in the region they represent.  I thought they DID represent all of Western Victoria... at least thats what they claim isnt it?                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    +x+x+x+xThere is no one on this forum who can deny that, week in week out,  there's only only one or two teams per round that can put together more than half a game of quality football.That is the reason for the lack of crowds. I think most of you on here look at the highlights and assume that's what it was like for the whole game. Punters on the outside can see there's been no improvement in the simple aspects of ( what should be expected) at this "supposed" elite level.  The game was Western United in Ballarat. That's why the crowd was small. A team no one follows or cares about in a regional town that doesn't support the code. It's more embarassing than the cow bells and attempted atmosphere at a Macarthur game. If pro-rel comes in the stronger teams will replace them and the competition will be better for it imo.   true about one main point, its a gayfl town more than anything else..... Though having done alot of travels to regional areas and having friends here there they have always been starved of city slicker clubs or events and back in the day despite many not being fans of xyz it was an excuse for a night out something different, many would travel to Syd nrl weekends like they would melb for afl weekends - todays modern world young people prefer going somewhere else indoors playing their own games or online with some bs or a gathering elsewhere I suppose...... WU at least has that victorian dna despite them being newbies were AL Champs just in 22, as if that wasn't known a little with a pop of 117k and how many Jnr football clubs there would be, was there a Ute Muster on the weekend instead..... I can understand not giving a toss entirely re the nix but there is always the usual rivarly between the countries but I suppose they dgaf about that as well. It sure is puzzling to say the least. As for the future and IF we ever see AL absorbed with NST of visa versa I truly hope not but it sure would instill some rippa bitter rivalries past vs the future type of thing as long as its fair regards to budgets same for all as one point. P/R NST below would be a great start to see just hope alot of others think the same to support itwhenever it may commence.  Shepparton (home of the Kuol boys) is a gayfl town as you so call it too mate but go back and look at the crowd GVS got against APIA in the round of 32 Australia cup this year, On a Wednesday night too.... People dont wanna go see a travelling franchise circus it seems, who wold have thought eh?  Is it though? Used to run a pretty big regional football league encompassing Riverina in NSW as of about 10 years ago. I'm not actually from there, I just know that Griffith teams used to join that competition pre NPL/GV Suns days because of the higher quality                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    +x+x+x+x+xThere is no one on this forum who can deny that, week in week out,  there's only only one or two teams per round that can put together more than half a game of quality football.That is the reason for the lack of crowds. I think most of you on here look at the highlights and assume that's what it was like for the whole game. Punters on the outside can see there's been no improvement in the simple aspects of ( what should be expected) at this "supposed" elite level.  The game was Western United in Ballarat. That's why the crowd was small. A team no one follows or cares about in a regional town that doesn't support the code. It's more embarassing than the cow bells and attempted atmosphere at a Macarthur game. If pro-rel comes in the stronger teams will replace them and the competition will be better for it imo.   true about one main point, its a gayfl town more than anything else..... Though having done alot of travels to regional areas and having friends here there they have always been starved of city slicker clubs or events and back in the day despite many not being fans of xyz it was an excuse for a night out something different, many would travel to Syd nrl weekends like they would melb for afl weekends - todays modern world young people prefer going somewhere else indoors playing their own games or online with some bs or a gathering elsewhere I suppose...... WU at least has that victorian dna despite them being newbies were AL Champs just in 22, as if that wasn't known a little with a pop of 117k and how many Jnr football clubs there would be, was there a Ute Muster on the weekend instead..... I can understand not giving a toss entirely re the nix but there is always the usual rivarly between the countries but I suppose they dgaf about that as well. It sure is puzzling to say the least. As for the future and IF we ever see AL absorbed with NST of visa versa I truly hope not but it sure would instill some rippa bitter rivalries past vs the future type of thing as long as its fair regards to budgets same for all as one point. P/R NST below would be a great start to see just hope alot of others think the same to support itwhenever it may commence.  Shepparton (home of the Kuol boys) is a gayfl town as you so call it too mate but go back and look at the crowd GVS got against APIA in the round of 32 Australia cup this year, On a Wednesday night too.... People dont wanna go see a travelling franchise circus it seems, who wold have thought eh?  Is it though? Used to run a pretty big regional football league encompassing Riverina in NSW as of about 10 years ago. I'm not actually from there, I just know that Griffith teams used to join that competition pre NPL/GV Suns days because of the higher quality  If you mean is it an AFL town, well the local VFL league is a fairly strong comp and a few of the larger clubs have certainly "developed" a few AFL stars over the years from what I understand...  From a football perspective South go up to GVS (or have done for the past few years) for preseason camp in the offseason and thier facilities and youth setup are reportadly very impressive.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    We all know all teams make up the numbers of crowd figures, however this one is a little bit hard to cover up. 
  I genuinely believe they will be a well supported club once they get into Tarneit. This nomad life they have created for themselves has set them back 10 years. They just need a permanent home.
  The rumour was that Melbourne Knights wanted $200k a year and a share of matchday profits for Western to use Somers street, which Western turned down.
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			    +x+x+x+xThere is no one on this forum who can deny that, week in week out,  there's only only one or two teams per round that can put together more than half a game of quality football.That is the reason for the lack of crowds. I think most of you on here look at the highlights and assume that's what it was like for the whole game. Punters on the outside can see there's been no improvement in the simple aspects of ( what should be expected) at this "supposed" elite level.  The game was Western United in Ballarat. That's why the crowd was small. A team no one follows or cares about in a regional town that doesn't support the code. It's more embarassing than the cow bells and attempted atmosphere at a Macarthur game. If pro-rel comes in the stronger teams will replace them and the competition will be better for it imo.   true about one main point, its a gayfl town more than anything else..... Though having done alot of travels to regional areas and having friends here there they have always been starved of city slicker clubs or events and back in the day despite many not being fans of xyz it was an excuse for a night out something different, many would travel to Syd nrl weekends like they would melb for afl weekends - todays modern world young people prefer going somewhere else indoors playing their own games or online with some bs or a gathering elsewhere I suppose...... WU at least has that victorian dna despite them being newbies were AL Champs just in 22, as if that wasn't known a little with a pop of 117k and how many Jnr football clubs there would be, was there a Ute Muster on the weekend instead..... I can understand not giving a toss entirely re the nix but there is always the usual rivarly between the countries but I suppose they dgaf about that as well. It sure is puzzling to say the least. As for the future and IF we ever see AL absorbed with NST of visa versa I truly hope not but it sure would instill some rippa bitter rivalries past vs the future type of thing as long as its fair regards to budgets same for all as one point. P/R NST below would be a great start to see just hope alot of others think the same to support itwhenever it may commence.  Shepparton (home of the Kuol boys) is a gayfl town as you so call it too mate but go back and look at the crowd GVS got against APIA in the round of 32 Australia cup this year, On a Wednesday night too.... People dont wanna go see a travelling franchise circus it seems, who would have thought eh?  Yer good point about ACup - I just thought these places would get out for the heck of it but seems not.depending what.                
			    				
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			    +xWe all know all teams make up the numbers of crowd figures, however this one is a little bit hard to cover up.  I genuinely believe they will be a well supported club once they get into Tarneit. This nomad life they have created for themselves has set them back 10 years. They just need a permanent home. The rumour was that Melbourne Knights wanted $200k a year and a share of matchday profits for Western to use Somers street, which Western turned down.Hindsight is a wonderful thing.   This has been denied dozens of times by Melb Knights....  Anyway, people are pinning their hopes on a change of fortune for the Tarneit gypsies once they establish their permanent home..... I cant see it personally but will certainly enjoy seeing the death spiral unfold.                 
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    +x+x+x2 shit teams. When they last played an A league game up my way (far north coast NSW) they had 4000 turn up.  Including the shit team who are top of the league, huh :D  Shit teams as in no one cares about them, not where they are on the table. #nixout #aucklandfuckoff   How can you say no-one cares about the Nix when they live rent-free in your head in particular?                  
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    +xThere is no one on this forum who can deny that, week in week out,  there's only only one or two teams per round that can put together more than half a game of quality football.That is the reason for the lack of crowds. I think most of you on here look at the highlights and assume that's what it was like for the whole game. Punters on the outside can see there's been no improvement in the simple aspects of ( what should be expected) at this "supposed" elite level.  Agreed. The standard this season has been poor.                 
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    +x+x+x+xIf they're not careful they'll be at some Saudi clubs level soon   Saudis league got a lot more crowd than A league. Average attendance is one of the highest in Asia. You can check the list. You mean compare to K- league? Korea League yes very low attendance.  Yeah two teams get all the crowds. The rest nobody. They had 133 at a game the other week   I have read.   You said 2 teams with pathetic crowd in Saudi league   > that's fault  You said 133 people turned up in a game in Saudi league last week >  that doesnt mean much cuz most Asian league are like that.  You should use K league (Not Saudi league) . Saudi Pro league has far  more attendance than our A league (and not just 2 teams like you said).  You shouldn't compare our league to Saudi League.   The perfect example is A league is becoming K league is the concern.  You don't have to argue , I did follow Asian football. I even follow Malaysia , Thai and Indonesia league for God sake. You don't know shit about Asian football more than me. And I'm not an Aussie. I'm telling you the fact not arguing.  OMFG, I said 'they'll be at the level of some saudi teams soon' if you want to have a cry and can't even comprehend that very, very simple sentence, well that's on you.  I dont really care about asia, saudi or any of it...maybe spend some time on your english rather than crying to me about a light-hearted omment                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    +x+x+x+x+xIf they're not careful they'll be at some Saudi clubs level soon   Saudis league got a lot more crowd than A league. Average attendance is one of the highest in Asia. You can check the list. You mean compare to K- league? Korea League yes very low attendance.  Yeah two teams get all the crowds. The rest nobody. They had 133 at a game the other week   I have read.   You said 2 teams with pathetic crowd in Saudi league   > that's fault  You said 133 people turned up in a game in Saudi league last week >  that doesnt mean much cuz most Asian league are like that.  You should use K league (Not Saudi league) . Saudi Pro league has far  more attendance than our A league (and not just 2 teams like you said).  You shouldn't compare our league to Saudi League.   The perfect example is A league is becoming K league is the concern.  You don't have to argue , I did follow Asian football. I even follow Malaysia , Thai and Indonesia league for God sake. You don't know shit about Asian football more than me. And I'm not an Aussie. I'm telling you the fact not arguing.  OMFG, I said 'they'll be at the level of some saudi teams soon' if you want to have a cry and can't even comprehend that very, very simple sentence, well that's on you.  I dont really care about asia, saudi or any of it...maybe spend some time on your english rather than crying to me about a light-hearted omment  Yeah I know you don't care about Asia (that's obvious) thats why you don't know shit about Asia football.  I'm laughing at you trying to be a smart ass talking Asian football but don't know shit about football in Asia. I refer to you about how you go on talking about how low crowd in Saudi league and seems like you got obsessed with Saudi league with low crowd (by watching some YouTubers). I told you to compare to K league which has a similar crowd to A league. Then you still keep talking shit about Saudi league lolz. What a dumb c_nt!! Lolzzz Hey you don't worry about my English buddy cuz  most ppl who follows soccer in Oz are not real Aussies. Most Aussies are watching cricket and AFL. I wouldn't be worrying about my English mate Im making good money & having a good life here.   Instead of worrying about English if I were you I would be worry about your low knowledge about asian football. Such a dumb  C_nt!  Lolz                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    +xThere is no one on this forum who can deny that, week in week out,  there's only only one or two teams per round that can put together more than half a game of quality football.That is the reason for the lack of crowds. I think most of you on here look at the highlights and assume that's what it was like for the whole game. Punters on the outside can see there's been no improvement in the simple aspects of ( what should be expected) at this "supposed" elite level.  What is your football background? What specific football match based  performance  criteria do you use to analyse AL games? How has the game changed since the start of the A League?                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    +x+x+x+x+x+xIf they're not careful they'll be at some Saudi clubs level soon   Saudis league got a lot more crowd than A league. Average attendance is one of the highest in Asia. You can check the list. You mean compare to K- league? Korea League yes very low attendance.  Yeah two teams get all the crowds. The rest nobody. They had 133 at a game the other week   I have read.   You said 2 teams with pathetic crowd in Saudi league   > that's fault  You said 133 people turned up in a game in Saudi league last week >  that doesnt mean much cuz most Asian league are like that.  You should use K league (Not Saudi league) . Saudi Pro league has far  more attendance than our A league (and not just 2 teams like you said).  You shouldn't compare our league to Saudi League.   The perfect example is A league is becoming K league is the concern.  You don't have to argue , I did follow Asian football. I even follow Malaysia , Thai and Indonesia league for God sake. You don't know shit about Asian football more than me. And I'm not an Aussie. I'm telling you the fact not arguing.  OMFG, I said 'they'll be at the level of some saudi teams soon' if you want to have a cry and can't even comprehend that very, very simple sentence, well that's on you.  I dont really care about asia, saudi or any of it...maybe spend some time on your english rather than crying to me about a light-hearted omment  Yeah I know you don't care about Asia (that's obvious) thats why you don't know shit about Asia football.  I'm laughing at you trying to be a smart ass talking Asian football but don't know shit about football in Asia. I refer to you about how you go on talking about how low crowd in Saudi league and seems like you got obsessed with Saudi league with low crowd (by watching some YouTubers). I told you to compare to K league which has a similar crowd to A league. Then you still keep talking shit about Saudi league lolz. What a dumb c_nt!! Lolzzz Hey you don't worry about my English buddy cuz  most ppl who follows soccer in Oz are not real Aussies. Most Aussies are watching cricket and AFL. I wouldn't be worrying about my English mate Im making good money & having a good life here.   Instead of worrying about English if I were you I would be worry about your low knowledge about asian football. Such a dumb  C_nt!  Lolz  Keep enjoying your life and making good money buddy but claiming everyone on here isnt a "real Aussie" is pure bullshit... Keep the racism to yourself please.                 
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    +x+x+x+x+x+x+xIf they're not careful they'll be at some Saudi clubs level soon   Saudis league got a lot more crowd than A league. Average attendance is one of the highest in Asia. You can check the list. You mean compare to K- league? Korea League yes very low attendance.  Yeah two teams get all the crowds. The rest nobody. They had 133 at a game the other week   I have read.   You said 2 teams with pathetic crowd in Saudi league   > that's fault  You said 133 people turned up in a game in Saudi league last week >  that doesnt mean much cuz most Asian league are like that.  You should use K league (Not Saudi league) . Saudi Pro league has far  more attendance than our A league (and not just 2 teams like you said).  You shouldn't compare our league to Saudi League.   The perfect example is A league is becoming K league is the concern.  You don't have to argue , I did follow Asian football. I even follow Malaysia , Thai and Indonesia league for God sake. You don't know shit about Asian football more than me. And I'm not an Aussie. I'm telling you the fact not arguing.  OMFG, I said 'they'll be at the level of some saudi teams soon' if you want to have a cry and can't even comprehend that very, very simple sentence, well that's on you.  I dont really care about asia, saudi or any of it...maybe spend some time on your english rather than crying to me about a light-hearted omment  Yeah I know you don't care about Asia (that's obvious) thats why you don't know shit about Asia football.  I'm laughing at you trying to be a smart ass talking Asian football but don't know shit about football in Asia. I refer to you about how you go on talking about how low crowd in Saudi league and seems like you got obsessed with Saudi league with low crowd (by watching some YouTubers). I told you to compare to K league which has a similar crowd to A league. Then you still keep talking shit about Saudi league lolz. What a dumb c_nt!! Lolzzz Hey you don't worry about my English buddy cuz  most ppl who follows soccer in Oz are not real Aussies. Most Aussies are watching cricket and AFL. I wouldn't be worrying about my English mate Im making good money & having a good life here.   Instead of worrying about English if I were you I would be worry about your low knowledge about asian football. Such a dumb  C_nt!  Lolz  Keep enjoying your life and making good money buddy but claiming everyone on here isnt a "real Aussie" is pure bullshit... Keep the racism to yourself please.   That's not bullshit. I said MOST didn't say ALL I said most soccer fans in Australia got European background.  Just like USA (European & Mexican) , Canada, NZ.There are some articles even talk about these 3 countries.   Many people I know here (soccer fans) they all have or from European  background (or other parts of the world).  But again I said most , not all. This is not a football nation.  But it's a multi cultural society dominated by other sports.  That's the fact.   It's like people who likes soccer in the Phillipines, mostly grow up aboard.  If you born & raised in the Philippines  mostly you won't care about soccer.  Me and my family & friends we have a big soccer community here , so we know the difference. People here don't care about soccer. They call it a pussy sport here. And you know what funny.  Many  women here who follows the Matildas, & WSL but they don't watch men soccer at all. Many of them  can't name anyone in the Socceroos squad other than Tim Cahill.                  
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    +x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIf they're not careful they'll be at some Saudi clubs level soon   Saudis league got a lot more crowd than A league. Average attendance is one of the highest in Asia. You can check the list. You mean compare to K- league? Korea League yes very low attendance.  Yeah two teams get all the crowds. The rest nobody. They had 133 at a game the other week   I have read.   You said 2 teams with pathetic crowd in Saudi league   > that's fault  You said 133 people turned up in a game in Saudi league last week >  that doesnt mean much cuz most Asian league are like that.  You should use K league (Not Saudi league) . Saudi Pro league has far  more attendance than our A league (and not just 2 teams like you said).  You shouldn't compare our league to Saudi League.   The perfect example is A league is becoming K league is the concern.  You don't have to argue , I did follow Asian football. I even follow Malaysia , Thai and Indonesia league for God sake. You don't know shit about Asian football more than me. And I'm not an Aussie. I'm telling you the fact not arguing.  OMFG, I said 'they'll be at the level of some saudi teams soon' if you want to have a cry and can't even comprehend that very, very simple sentence, well that's on you.  I dont really care about asia, saudi or any of it...maybe spend some time on your english rather than crying to me about a light-hearted omment  Yeah I know you don't care about Asia (that's obvious) thats why you don't know shit about Asia football.  I'm laughing at you trying to be a smart ass talking Asian football but don't know shit about football in Asia. I refer to you about how you go on talking about how low crowd in Saudi league and seems like you got obsessed with Saudi league with low crowd (by watching some YouTubers). I told you to compare to K league which has a similar crowd to A league. Then you still keep talking shit about Saudi league lolz. What a dumb c_nt!! Lolzzz Hey you don't worry about my English buddy cuz  most ppl who follows soccer in Oz are not real Aussies. Most Aussies are watching cricket and AFL. I wouldn't be worrying about my English mate Im making good money & having a good life here.   Instead of worrying about English if I were you I would be worry about your low knowledge about asian football. Such a dumb  C_nt!  Lolz  Keep enjoying your life and making good money buddy but claiming everyone on here isnt a "real Aussie" is pure bullshit... Keep the racism to yourself please.   That's not bullshit. I said most not all I said most soccer fans in Australia got European background.  Just like USA (European & Mexican) , Canada, NZ.  I didn't just say it there are some articles even talk about these 3 countries.  Many people I know here (soccer fans) they all havebor from European  background.  But again I said most , not all. This is not a football nation.  But it's a multi cultural society.  That's the fact.  I said most (NOT ALL) It's like people who likes soccer in the Phillipines, mostly grow up aboard.  If you born & raised in the Philippines  mostly you won't care about soccer.  Me and my family & friends we have a big soccer community here , so we know the difference. People here don't care about soccer. They call it a pussy sport here.  Having a European background DOES NOT mean you are not an Aussie.... Only 2% of the population is originally from here ALL the rest of us are immigrants. Have a bit of a dig around to find info on the Australian British Football Associations of each state in the late 1800s, early 1900s ....                 
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    +xFor me I did paid monthly for Paramount to watch the A League so I have contributed in some ways. To me  Problems are  1. The quality of the players are quite low>>e.g  some guys got terrible first touch that makes you  wonder how can they are a pro. Not talking about the other qualities yet.  First thing you can tell about the players by the first touch.  This is like a good chef before they can cook they have to learn how to use a knife. That's why kids in japan age 12-14 would train nothing else just pass & move with good first touch. They want everyone to have this basic before growing up.
  2. Low crowd,  this is the most annoying part for me cuz the quality could be bad but if a good atmosphere you can still enjoy the game. Most games are lacking atmosphere.  I remembered 8-10 years ago A league doing very good with the crowd.  The clubs are obviously losing the new gen fans.  If a successful world cup in Qatar couldn't help to boost the attendance nothing will. Most people just don't care or give a damn anymore.
  3. The pitch>> sharing with rugby and concerts. Years after years same shit same problem.  This is ruining the game.  I feel jealous of the European leagues with good quality pitch.
 
 
 
  Some players I have absolutely no idea how they are in the A-League. https://newcastlejetsfc.com.au/squads?team=MEN&season=2022/2023Look at the Jets squad, how on earth does Hoffman still have an A-League contract, every time he gets put in Centerback they bleed goals. They area around Newcastle has players in the NPL better than this guy and he just lives in the squad and never gets dropped. There are tons of players like this, under the radar, never get called out, should have been canned years ago still stealing wages from youth prospects.  I disagree with your comment about the pitches, no one else is using them right now. Also this is Australia, there is no world in which we get pitches no one else is allowed to use.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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