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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Just need the players to play near the potential mate. Not expecting miracles. I know the roster isn't the greatest (that's on Gus and CC by the way). But they can at least have the players playing near their potential. It was unacceptable to have nearly 85% of the roster going backwards Agree with you there. That’s why I didn’t mention Ciro. He could certainly do a better job at coaching the team. A lot of players have played better under other coaches. But I’m willing to give him time as a rookie coach. My preference was always signing an experienced coach and halfback. We did neither and that’s on Gus. The players who played better under other coaches, were they also playing with a better, more experienced line up???… Which experienced available 7 should Gus have signed???… Which experienced available Coach should we have signed???… We've been through this before..... We had a chance to sign AR, Hunt (second time) and possibly even DCE. We had our eggs in the Burton-Flanagan basket and both have been underwhelming. This rhetoric of "who could we realistically sign" is just hogwash. You are and I are not tasked with making it happen. Gus is and the GM before him. I honestly don't know why you keep defending the issue. We gambled and Burton and Flanagan and lost. Simple So by eggs in one basket you mean we had already signed players or already had contracted players before ARey became available… Flanno was contracted before Gus and Co were even here… There is such a thing as the cap… and both current and former Board explained how hamstrung we were courtesy of Dib and Co… and who could we realistically sign ain’t hogwash… I mean FFS you just claimed we could’ve signed DCE… what a fantasy land you live in… Arey wasn’t available when we signed Flanno… He was still working with Souths to stay there when we signed Burto… he wanted multi year and even his own club didn’t offer him that… Broncs missed the 8 in his first year with a blooming pack and backline… and made the GF behind close to the pack in the comp with him missing half a dozen games through the year (funny how Mutch Misses missing a couple of games was enough for you to make excuses for Parra with a very good side not making the 8)… let’s see what happens next year before calling it an out and out success… Hunt same boat re when he became available… and they already had en extension in front of him… he never went to market… and the current leadership spoke to him when the chance presented, but it didn’t matter cos Dragons weren’t meeting him go… Plus his squad has been better than ours overall and how have they gone???… DCE was available???… More absolute complete and utter bullsh1t… You seem to have every excuse under the sun Dman. Every excuse. And yet here we are entrenched at the bottom of the table with no end in sight. So will you continue with the excuses? What are you, the agent for Gus and CC or perhaps Khoury?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Just need the players to play near the potential mate. Not expecting miracles. I know the roster isn't the greatest (that's on Gus and CC by the way). But they can at least have the players playing near their potential. It was unacceptable to have nearly 85% of the roster going backwards Agree with you there. That’s why I didn’t mention Ciro. He could certainly do a better job at coaching the team. A lot of players have played better under other coaches. But I’m willing to give him time as a rookie coach. My preference was always signing an experienced coach and halfback. We did neither and that’s on Gus. The players who played better under other coaches, were they also playing with a better, more experienced line up???… Which experienced available 7 should Gus have signed???… Which experienced available Coach should we have signed???… I meant the players from this year that were here last year played worse. Barrett got more out of some of the players than Ciro did.
I’m happy to give Ciro a year or two to teach the players his systems. But it was a shame most of them looked poor under his coaching. This is the greatest disappointment. Our roster improves on paper but the results are getting poorer. Hopefully Ciraldo has come to realise he can't just expect the players to miraculously play the way he envisages. He either has to inherit the whole Penrith team for that or change his tune and coach the players to their best ability. Or he'll be under the pump. You fail to acknowledge the massive injury toll last year… I’ve never, ever seen anything like it… ever… our 7 never got better on paper… a very young side, one that was forced to play 300 players through the year (thought I’d embellish that number as embellishment is your go to)… First year coach, probably should be given a year at least to find his feet, especially with such a poor pack and inexperienced squad… You call it excuses, fine… suits the negative narrative… The only actual bad move I see the current leaders have made was signing TPJ… You forgot to mention......signing TPJ on 800-850 a season. This after they sign Thommo on similar big bucks and the sign Kikau on similar big bucks. Yet we can't afford or find cap space for 1.2M halfback..give me a break. Just tell me, we don't believe any halfback is worth more than 750k. Coz that's what it feels like with all these excuses.
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+x+x+xThe best boy about next year other than the actual positives is we only have to finish in the first 16 for Mockstradamus to be wrong… again… Best bot* Fekking magic phones… Best Bit* Lol. Not even your phone can bring itself to type it!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Just need the players to play near the potential mate. Not expecting miracles. I know the roster isn't the greatest (that's on Gus and CC by the way). But they can at least have the players playing near their potential. It was unacceptable to have nearly 85% of the roster going backwards Agree with you there. That’s why I didn’t mention Ciro. He could certainly do a better job at coaching the team. A lot of players have played better under other coaches. But I’m willing to give him time as a rookie coach. My preference was always signing an experienced coach and halfback. We did neither and that’s on Gus. The players who played better under other coaches, were they also playing with a better, more experienced line up???… Which experienced available 7 should Gus have signed???… Which experienced available Coach should we have signed???… I meant the players from this year that were here last year played worse. Barrett got more out of some of the players than Ciro did.
I’m happy to give Ciro a year or two to teach the players his systems. But it was a shame most of them looked poor under his coaching. Give Ciro a year or 2 if he is out of his depth Gus will move him on soon enough. When Barrett and Potter were coaching we had some soft wins. Recruitment was all over the shop and with limited cap space the squad went backwards. Ciro didn't have enough good fit players to make much impression New season, clean slate, let's judge progress or the lzck of it when it happens.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Just need the players to play near the potential mate. Not expecting miracles. I know the roster isn't the greatest (that's on Gus and CC by the way). But they can at least have the players playing near their potential. It was unacceptable to have nearly 85% of the roster going backwards Agree with you there. That’s why I didn’t mention Ciro. He could certainly do a better job at coaching the team. A lot of players have played better under other coaches. But I’m willing to give him time as a rookie coach. My preference was always signing an experienced coach and halfback. We did neither and that’s on Gus. The players who played better under other coaches, were they also playing with a better, more experienced line up???… Which experienced available 7 should Gus have signed???… Which experienced available Coach should we have signed???… I meant the players from this year that were here last year played worse. Barrett got more out of some of the players than Ciro did.
I’m happy to give Ciro a year or two to teach the players his systems. But it was a shame most of them looked poor under his coaching. This is the greatest disappointment. Our roster improves on paper but the results are getting poorer. Hopefully Ciraldo has come to realise he can't just expect the players to miraculously play the way he envisages. He either has to inherit the whole Penrith team for that or change his tune and coach the players to their best ability. Or he'll be under the pump. You fail to acknowledge the massive injury toll last year… I’ve never, ever seen anything like it… ever… our 7 never got better on paper… a very young side, one that was forced to play 300 players through the year (thought I’d embellish that number as embellishment is your go to)… First year coach, probably should be given a year at least to find his feet, especially with such a poor pack and inexperienced squad… You call it excuses, fine… suits the negative narrative… The only actual bad move I see the current leaders have made was signing TPJ… You forgot to mention......signing TPJ on 800-850 a season. This after they sign Thommo on similar big bucks and the sign Kikau on similar big bucks. Yet we can't afford or find cap space for 1.2M halfback..give me a break. Just tell me, we don't believe any halfback is worth more than 750k. Coz that's what it feels like with all these excuses. Did you miss the last part or only read the first part???… You need to get your head around $850K for a starting origin prop is the going rate (see what I did there???)… Thommo one of our best when on the field (not saying a great deal over last 3 years) but yeah not a win with time off injured/suspended/sick mum… still nothing to do with Gus or CC… You do understand we had to pay more to get players to come here right???.,, Kiks, are u really gonna say a bad call based on last year???.. that’s inane… A $1.2M half wasn’t absolutely when we signed either of them… why is this so hard for you to understand???… So one is now… and you don’t know if it what we’ve offered… So how can you speak in absolutes???… on Romy it was only 3 years ago the great Mockstra posted on here how crap he was and you would knock him on his arse…
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If Dman and I are right it will be an enjoyable season.
If we are wrong it will be a miserable season, I hope that we are right.
It isn't just wishful thinking I have been watching footy since 1973, played a bit of sport.
At this stage all fans are equally right.
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I can see why we too the punt on TPJ, high risk, potentially high reward.
When it doesn't work out, move on.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Just need the players to play near the potential mate. Not expecting miracles. I know the roster isn't the greatest (that's on Gus and CC by the way). But they can at least have the players playing near their potential. It was unacceptable to have nearly 85% of the roster going backwards Agree with you there. That’s why I didn’t mention Ciro. He could certainly do a better job at coaching the team. A lot of players have played better under other coaches. But I’m willing to give him time as a rookie coach. My preference was always signing an experienced coach and halfback. We did neither and that’s on Gus. The players who played better under other coaches, were they also playing with a better, more experienced line up???… Which experienced available 7 should Gus have signed???… Which experienced available Coach should we have signed???… We've been through this before..... We had a chance to sign AR, Hunt (second time) and possibly even DCE. We had our eggs in the Burton-Flanagan basket and both have been underwhelming. This rhetoric of "who could we realistically sign" is just hogwash. You are and I are not tasked with making it happen. Gus is and the GM before him. I honestly don't know why you keep defending the issue. We gambled and Burton and Flanagan and lost. Simple So by eggs in one basket you mean we had already signed players or already had contracted players before ARey became available… Flanno was contracted before Gus and Co were even here… There is such a thing as the cap… and both current and former Board explained how hamstrung we were courtesy of Dib and Co… and who could we realistically sign ain’t hogwash… I mean FFS you just claimed we could’ve signed DCE… what a fantasy land you live in… Arey wasn’t available when we signed Flanno… He was still working with Souths to stay there when we signed Burto… he wanted multi year and even his own club didn’t offer him that… Broncs missed the 8 in his first year with a blooming pack and backline… and made the GF behind close to the pack in the comp with him missing half a dozen games through the year (funny how Mutch Misses missing a couple of games was enough for you to make excuses for Parra with a very good side not making the 8)… let’s see what happens next year before calling it an out and out success… Hunt same boat re when he became available… and they already had en extension in front of him… he never went to market… and the current leadership spoke to him when the chance presented, but it didn’t matter cos Dragons weren’t meeting him go… Plus his squad has been better than ours overall and how have they gone???… DCE was available???… More absolute complete and utter bullsh1t… You seem to have every excuse under the sun Dman. Every excuse. And yet here we are entrenched at the bottom of the table with no end in sight. So will you continue with the excuses? What are you, the agent for Gus and CC or perhaps Khoury? Yes, I’m their agent… is this where reply with something stupid like you’re not a true fan???.., Leave that dumb crap for TK…. That’s the difference between someone who watches 30 - 40 games a year and someone who watches every game… The person who watches every game can see there is an end in sight… and can see the leaders at the club have made every efforr in the last couple of years to improve the club, shirt, medium and importantly long term… they ain’t gonna get every decision right… nobody does… what they can’t do is sign DCE who never knowingly considered leaving or was available, or Humt who signed an extension before going to market…
Bag the club and it’s leaders all you want… I get it’s been a rough decade…we all do but don’t invemt fantasies to do it…and don’t think for a minute your are smarter than Gus if CC when it comes to footy, cos h ain’t…
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+xIf Dman and I are right it will be an enjoyable season. If we are wrong it will be a miserable season, I hope that we are right. It isn't just wishful thinking I have been watching footy since 1973, played a bit of sport. At this stage all fans are equally right. I expect improvement across the park, individually, growth with combos, we’ve signed a great player and a couple of very good players, and reckon the coach will have learned a hep… and I hope for better luck with injuries… one more big prop would be nice… Fans might be equally right about next years results at thus stage… but fans who say we could’ve signed Hunt or DCE or there is no hope are in no way shape or form right… I also feel sorry for Fans who subconsciously or otherwise want us to fail for there I told you so moment, and there are clearly plenty on social media…
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+x+xIf Dman and I are right it will be an enjoyable season. If we are wrong it will be a miserable season, I hope that we are right. It isn't just wishful thinking I have been watching footy since 1973, played a bit of sport. At this stage all fans are equally right. I expect improvement across the park, individually, growth with combos, we’ve signed a great player and a couple of very good players, and reckon the coach will have learned a hep… and I hope for better luck with injuries… one more big prop would be nice… Fans might be equally right about next years results at thus stage… but fans who say we could’ve signed Hunt or DCE or there is no hope are in no way shape or form right… I also feel sorry for Fans who subconsciously or otherwise want us to fail for there I told you so moment, and there are clearly plenty on social media… That is how I see things. The squad struggled with the intensity of training last season, but we didn't drop the standards or change the defensive system. With another year in the system players should have adapted and our recruits are from clubs that train hard. Injuries at training last season were a concern, if that happens again we may need to drop the intensity... To become winners we need to push the boundaries and set standards.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Just need the players to play near the potential mate. Not expecting miracles. I know the roster isn't the greatest (that's on Gus and CC by the way). But they can at least have the players playing near their potential. It was unacceptable to have nearly 85% of the roster going backwards Agree with you there. That’s why I didn’t mention Ciro. He could certainly do a better job at coaching the team. A lot of players have played better under other coaches. But I’m willing to give him time as a rookie coach. My preference was always signing an experienced coach and halfback. We did neither and that’s on Gus. The players who played better under other coaches, were they also playing with a better, more experienced line up???… Which experienced available 7 should Gus have signed???… Which experienced available Coach should we have signed???… I meant the players from this year that were here last year played worse. Barrett got more out of some of the players than Ciro did.
I’m happy to give Ciro a year or two to teach the players his systems. But it was a shame most of them looked poor under his coaching. Give Ciro a year or 2 if he is out of his depth Gus will move him on soon enough. When Barrett and Potter were coaching we had some soft wins. Recruitment was all over the shop and with limited cap space the squad went backwards. Ciro didn't have enough good fit players to make much impression New season, clean slate, let's judge progress or the lzck of it when it happens. Seems to me that rugby league is now a sport where you can't change the style of a team dramatically -except in very rare cases with brilliant players. You basically need the 3 month off-season break to right your wrongs. Ciro obviously had an idea in mind when he joined us and implemented it (or tried) last year. It failed. Our players either weren't ready for it, it was too drastic a change, or they simply couldn't play to it. He now has off-season 2 to change it. If he banks on the current group pulling it off and they can't, it could be that his ideas are not a fit for the club or its players. One thing is for sure though. If he goes down that path, there's no turning back. Players will need off-season 3 to reset if it all turns to sh!T and by then CC will likely be gone.
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+xI can see why we too the punt on TPJ, high risk, potentially high reward. When it doesn't work out, move on. I wasn't a fan of signing him in the first place, but judging by the last 2 seasons, he was one of few forwards that offered anything. Without a spine that can put you on the front foot and capitalise on opportunities, you really need a game breaker. Losing him is bittersweet. We save on a high dollar - low output player but at the same time lose one of our x-factor weapons. We will need to find something in someone else now...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Just need the players to play near the potential mate. Not expecting miracles. I know the roster isn't the greatest (that's on Gus and CC by the way). But they can at least have the players playing near their potential. It was unacceptable to have nearly 85% of the roster going backwards Agree with you there. That’s why I didn’t mention Ciro. He could certainly do a better job at coaching the team. A lot of players have played better under other coaches. But I’m willing to give him time as a rookie coach. My preference was always signing an experienced coach and halfback. We did neither and that’s on Gus. The players who played better under other coaches, were they also playing with a better, more experienced line up???… Which experienced available 7 should Gus have signed???… Which experienced available Coach should we have signed???… We've been through this before..... We had a chance to sign AR, Hunt (second time) and possibly even DCE. We had our eggs in the Burton-Flanagan basket and both have been underwhelming. This rhetoric of "who could we realistically sign" is just hogwash. You are and I are not tasked with making it happen. Gus is and the GM before him. I honestly don't know why you keep defending the issue. We gambled and Burton and Flanagan and lost. Simple So by eggs in one basket you mean we had already signed players or already had contracted players before ARey became available… Flanno was contracted before Gus and Co were even here… There is such a thing as the cap… and both current and former Board explained how hamstrung we were courtesy of Dib and Co… and who could we realistically sign ain’t hogwash… I mean FFS you just claimed we could’ve signed DCE… what a fantasy land you live in… Arey wasn’t available when we signed Flanno… He was still working with Souths to stay there when we signed Burto… he wanted multi year and even his own club didn’t offer him that… Broncs missed the 8 in his first year with a blooming pack and backline… and made the GF behind close to the pack in the comp with him missing half a dozen games through the year (funny how Mutch Misses missing a couple of games was enough for you to make excuses for Parra with a very good side not making the 8)… let’s see what happens next year before calling it an out and out success… Hunt same boat re when he became available… and they already had en extension in front of him… he never went to market… and the current leadership spoke to him when the chance presented, but it didn’t matter cos Dragons weren’t meeting him go… Plus his squad has been better than ours overall and how have they gone???… DCE was available???… More absolute complete and utter bullsh1t… You seem to have every excuse under the sun Dman. Every excuse. And yet here we are entrenched at the bottom of the table with no end in sight. So will you continue with the excuses? What are you, the agent for Gus and CC or perhaps Khoury? Yes, I’m their agent… is this where reply with something stupid like you’re not a true fan???.., Leave that dumb crap for TK…. That’s the difference between someone who watches 30 - 40 games a year and someone who watches every game… The person who watches every game can see there is an end in sight… and can see the leaders at the club have made every efforr in the last couple of years to improve the club, shirt, medium and importantly long term… they ain’t gonna get every decision right… nobody does… what they can’t do is sign DCE who never knowingly considered leaving or was available, or Humt who signed an extension before going to market…
Bag the club and it’s leaders all you want… I get it’s been a rough decade…we all do but don’t invemt fantasies to do it…and don’t think for a minute your are smarter than Gus if CC when it comes to footy, cos h ain’t… As an invested fan, I end up supporting the plans, players, tactics at the begging of every season -even if they don't align with my thoughts. But that support withers as the results don't follow and I am in my right to criticise those tactics, recruitment decisions or coaching. It's every fans right to do so. As I said in an earlier post. It's their job, not mine. They will be judged on their performance. They are simply lucky this is not the Premier League, where you don't get to reset in the off-season.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Just need the players to play near the potential mate. Not expecting miracles. I know the roster isn't the greatest (that's on Gus and CC by the way). But they can at least have the players playing near their potential. It was unacceptable to have nearly 85% of the roster going backwards Agree with you there. That’s why I didn’t mention Ciro. He could certainly do a better job at coaching the team. A lot of players have played better under other coaches. But I’m willing to give him time as a rookie coach. My preference was always signing an experienced coach and halfback. We did neither and that’s on Gus. The players who played better under other coaches, were they also playing with a better, more experienced line up???… Which experienced available 7 should Gus have signed???… Which experienced available Coach should we have signed???… I meant the players from this year that were here last year played worse. Barrett got more out of some of the players than Ciro did.
I’m happy to give Ciro a year or two to teach the players his systems. But it was a shame most of them looked poor under his coaching. Give Ciro a year or 2 if he is out of his depth Gus will move him on soon enough. When Barrett and Potter were coaching we had some soft wins. Recruitment was all over the shop and with limited cap space the squad went backwards. Ciro didn't have enough good fit players to make much impression New season, clean slate, let's judge progress or the lzck of it when it happens. Seems to me that rugby league is now a sport where you can't change the style of a team dramatically -except in very rare cases with brilliant players. You basically need the 3 month off-season break to right your wrongs. Ciro obviously had an idea in mind when he joined us and implemented it (or tried) last year. It failed. Our players either weren't ready for it, it was too drastic a change, or they simply couldn't play to it. He now has off-season 2 to change it. If he banks on the current group pulling it off and they can't, it could be that his ideas are not a fit for the club or its players. One thing is for sure though. If he goes down that path, there's no turning back. Players will need off-season 3 to reset if it all turns to sh!T and by then CC will likely be gone. The Club brought him in with a mandate to change virtually everything about how we went about our business… Same with Gus… What we were doing clearly wasn’t working… Don’t forget he inherited a squad in the doldrums with many duds… something had to change… and in our case it was the pathways, the system on field, the Training regime, and 13 players… He will have learnt plenty from the past year, and will likely tweak a few of his methods… Last year was about much more than winning, including sorting the weed from the chaff… What he and Gus can’t and won’t do is lower their expectations or standards… If he fails over the next two years, with his best team on the field the majority of the time he is likely in trouble… but it is far from the fait accompli many make it out to be…
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Just need the players to play near the potential mate. Not expecting miracles. I know the roster isn't the greatest (that's on Gus and CC by the way). But they can at least have the players playing near their potential. It was unacceptable to have nearly 85% of the roster going backwards Agree with you there. That’s why I didn’t mention Ciro. He could certainly do a better job at coaching the team. A lot of players have played better under other coaches. But I’m willing to give him time as a rookie coach. My preference was always signing an experienced coach and halfback. We did neither and that’s on Gus. The players who played better under other coaches, were they also playing with a better, more experienced line up???… Which experienced available 7 should Gus have signed???… Which experienced available Coach should we have signed???… I meant the players from this year that were here last year played worse. Barrett got more out of some of the players than Ciro did.
I’m happy to give Ciro a year or two to teach the players his systems. But it was a shame most of them looked poor under his coaching. Give Ciro a year or 2 if he is out of his depth Gus will move him on soon enough. When Barrett and Potter were coaching we had some soft wins. Recruitment was all over the shop and with limited cap space the squad went backwards. Ciro didn't have enough good fit players to make much impression New season, clean slate, let's judge progress or the lzck of it when it happens. Seems to me that rugby league is now a sport where you can't change the style of a team dramatically -except in very rare cases with brilliant players. You basically need the 3 month off-season break to right your wrongs. Ciro obviously had an idea in mind when he joined us and implemented it (or tried) last year. It failed. Our players either weren't ready for it, it was too drastic a change, or they simply couldn't play to it. He now has off-season 2 to change it. If he banks on the current group pulling it off and they can't, it could be that his ideas are not a fit for the club or its players. One thing is for sure though. If he goes down that path, there's no turning back. Players will need off-season 3 to reset if it all turns to sh!T and by then CC will likely be gone. The Club brought him in with a mandate to change virtually everything about how we went about our business… Same with Gus… What we were doing clearly wasn’t working… Don’t forget he inherited a squad in the doldrums with many duds… something had to change… and in our case it was the pathways, the system on field, the Training regime, and 13 players… He will have learnt plenty from the past year, and will likely tweak a few of his methods… Last year was about much more than winning, including sorting the weed from the chaff… What he and Gus can’t and won’t do is lower their expectations or standards… If he fails over the next two years, with his best team on the field the majority of the time he is likely in trouble… but it is far from the fait accompli many make it out to be…
Wheat* I gotta stop drinking for 10 mins a day… Maybe next year…
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Just need the players to play near the potential mate. Not expecting miracles. I know the roster isn't the greatest (that's on Gus and CC by the way). But they can at least have the players playing near their potential. It was unacceptable to have nearly 85% of the roster going backwards Agree with you there. That’s why I didn’t mention Ciro. He could certainly do a better job at coaching the team. A lot of players have played better under other coaches. But I’m willing to give him time as a rookie coach. My preference was always signing an experienced coach and halfback. We did neither and that’s on Gus. The players who played better under other coaches, were they also playing with a better, more experienced line up???… Which experienced available 7 should Gus have signed???… Which experienced available Coach should we have signed???… I meant the players from this year that were here last year played worse. Barrett got more out of some of the players than Ciro did.
I’m happy to give Ciro a year or two to teach the players his systems. But it was a shame most of them looked poor under his coaching. Give Ciro a year or 2 if he is out of his depth Gus will move him on soon enough. When Barrett and Potter were coaching we had some soft wins. Recruitment was all over the shop and with limited cap space the squad went backwards. Ciro didn't have enough good fit players to make much impression New season, clean slate, let's judge progress or the lzck of it when it happens. Seems to me that rugby league is now a sport where you can't change the style of a team dramatically -except in very rare cases with brilliant players. You basically need the 3 month off-season break to right your wrongs. Ciro obviously had an idea in mind when he joined us and implemented it (or tried) last year. It failed. Our players either weren't ready for it, it was too drastic a change, or they simply couldn't play to it. He now has off-season 2 to change it. If he banks on the current group pulling it off and they can't, it could be that his ideas are not a fit for the club or its players. One thing is for sure though. If he goes down that path, there's no turning back. Players will need off-season 3 to reset if it all turns to sh!T and by then CC will likely be gone. The Club brought him in with a mandate to change virtually everything about how we went about our business… Same with Gus… What we were doing clearly wasn’t working… Don’t forget he inherited a squad in the doldrums with many duds… something had to change… and in our case it was the pathways, the system on field, the Training regime, and 13 players… He will have learnt plenty from the past year, and will likely tweak a few of his methods… Last year was about much more than winning, including sorting the weed from the chaff… What he and Gus can’t and won’t do is lower their expectations or standards… If he fails over the next two years, with his best team on the field the majority of the time he is likely in trouble… but it is far from the fait accompli many make it out to be…
Wheat* I gotta stop drinking for 10 mins a day… Maybe next year… Fuck that mate. It’s fucking almost Xmas.
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A lot of hard work from coaching staff and players for a good year next year. I feel that the players that were brought in are players that can fill in the holes that we lacked last year. Or at least, that’s what Gus and Ciro believe.
Missing out on AFB and Luai instead of spending money on utilities would have been my choice. Pay them both big dollars. We have had this ‘war chest’ for the last few years and have signed very few players that were elite. Kikau and Fox being the two that stand out.
What has happened to this club? We used to sign the best players and coaches. Now we sign players that are lucky to make first grade.
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#offseasonpost…
Did all the Volvo drivers sell up and buy a magic car, or are Tesla drivers their own special brand of fekking awful drivers???…
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Just need the players to play near the potential mate. Not expecting miracles. I know the roster isn't the greatest (that's on Gus and CC by the way). But they can at least have the players playing near their potential. It was unacceptable to have nearly 85% of the roster going backwards Agree with you there. That’s why I didn’t mention Ciro. He could certainly do a better job at coaching the team. A lot of players have played better under other coaches. But I’m willing to give him time as a rookie coach. My preference was always signing an experienced coach and halfback. We did neither and that’s on Gus. The players who played better under other coaches, were they also playing with a better, more experienced line up???… Which experienced available 7 should Gus have signed???… Which experienced available Coach should we have signed???… I meant the players from this year that were here last year played worse. Barrett got more out of some of the players than Ciro did.
I’m happy to give Ciro a year or two to teach the players his systems. But it was a shame most of them looked poor under his coaching. Give Ciro a year or 2 if he is out of his depth Gus will move him on soon enough. When Barrett and Potter were coaching we had some soft wins. Recruitment was all over the shop and with limited cap space the squad went backwards. Ciro didn't have enough good fit players to make much impression New season, clean slate, let's judge progress or the lzck of it when it happens. Seems to me that rugby league is now a sport where you can't change the style of a team dramatically -except in very rare cases with brilliant players. You basically need the 3 month off-season break to right your wrongs. Ciro obviously had an idea in mind when he joined us and implemented it (or tried) last year. It failed. Our players either weren't ready for it, it was too drastic a change, or they simply couldn't play to it. He now has off-season 2 to change it. If he banks on the current group pulling it off and they can't, it could be that his ideas are not a fit for the club or its players. One thing is for sure though. If he goes down that path, there's no turning back. Players will need off-season 3 to reset if it all turns to sh!T and by then CC will likely be gone. The Club brought him in with a mandate to change virtually everything about how we went about our business… Same with Gus… What we were doing clearly wasn’t working… Don’t forget he inherited a squad in the doldrums with many duds… something had to change… and in our case it was the pathways, the system on field, the Training regime, and 13 players… He will have learnt plenty from the past year, and will likely tweak a few of his methods… Last year was about much more than winning, including sorting the weed from the chaff… What he and Gus can’t and won’t do is lower their expectations or standards… If he fails over the next two years, with his best team on the field the majority of the time he is likely in trouble… but it is far from the fait accompli many make it out to be…
Wheat* I gotta stop drinking for 10 mins a day… Maybe next year… Yes you must definitely stop next year.... I tell you that Jan 1 each year.
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+xA lot of hard work from coaching staff and players for a good year next year. I feel that the players that were brought in are players that can fill in the holes that we lacked last year. Or at least, that’s what Gus and Ciro believe.
Missing out on AFB and Luai instead of spending money on utilities would have been my choice. Pay them both big dollars. We have had this ‘war chest’ for the last few years and have signed very few players that were elite. Kikau and Fox being the two that stand out.
What has happened to this club? We used to sign the best players and coaches. Now we sign players that are lucky to make first grade. Let’s see how things go.., Taaffe has plenty of talent, Curran is a great runner and has great hair, you all know my opinion of a much underrated Manncrush… Sexy has plenty of potential, Holbrook made an ordinary choice playing Tanner at 7 last year… Don’t forget Critter… Lou Reed was front runner for Origin (in front of Harry) until injury hit him…Thommo was considered amongst the best in the game in UK but had little luck with injury and bullshit suspensions… we signed a next gen the coach many others were keen to get… Presto a great pick up, credit where it’s due.:. The war chest thing always seems to be a media exaggeration… Remember, the current mob have only had control for a couple of years… they’ve made many positive steps from pathways, signing 3 of the best in their position, a young in demand 5/8 with plenty of potential…TPJ who the Panthers thought was good enough to add value and would have played on the GF but for injury, but didn’t turn out great for us… They had so much to do after Castle, and in particular Dib and Co destroyed everything we were about with their hubris… The Andersons at the very least stopped the me first mentality at Board level… Gus and CC ain’t in this for the quick fix, cos there ain’t one…
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+xA lot of hard work from coaching staff and players for a good year next year. I feel that the players that were brought in are players that can fill in the holes that we lacked last year. Or at least, that’s what Gus and Ciro believe.
Missing out on AFB and Luai instead of spending money on utilities would have been my choice. Pay them both big dollars. We have had this ‘war chest’ for the last few years and have signed very few players that were elite. Kikau and Fox being the two that stand out.
What has happened to this club? We used to sign the best players and coaches. Now we sign players that are lucky to make first grade. A coach can change the way a team plays, but that takes 2-3 seasons. Sorting out development is 3-5 years. Fans are patient for 3-5 games. If the wrong people are in charge the clock starts when the club has the right leadership . I am patient because any change will probably be a change to the wrong people.
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+x+xA lot of hard work from coaching staff and players for a good year next year. I feel that the players that were brought in are players that can fill in the holes that we lacked last year. Or at least, that’s what Gus and Ciro believe.
Missing out on AFB and Luai instead of spending money on utilities would have been my choice. Pay them both big dollars. We have had this ‘war chest’ for the last few years and have signed very few players that were elite. Kikau and Fox being the two that stand out.
What has happened to this club? We used to sign the best players and coaches. Now we sign players that are lucky to make first grade. Let’s see how things go.., Taaffe has plenty of talent, Curran is a great runner and has great hair, you all know my opinion of a much underrated Manncrush… Sexy has plenty of potential, Holbrook made an ordinary choice playing Tanner at 7 last year… Don’t forget Critter… Lou Reed was front runner for Origin (in front of Harry) until injury hit him…Thommo was considered amongst the best in the game in UK but had little luck with injury and bullshit suspensions… we signed a next gen the coach many others were keen to get… Presto a great pick up, credit where it’s due.:. The war chest thing always seems to be a media exaggeration… Remember, the current mob have only had control for a couple of years… they’ve made many positive steps from pathways, signing 3 of the best in their position, a young in demand 5/8 with plenty of potential…TPJ who the Panthers thought was good enough to add value and would have played on the GF but for injury, but didn’t turn out great for us… They had so much to do after Castle, and in particular Dib and Co destroyed everything we were about with their hubris… The Andersons at the very least stopped the me first mentality at Board level… Gus and CC ain’t in this for the quick fix, cos there ain’t one… We have always had success when the club has great hair Curran was an obvious signing. Probably worth signing DWZ
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+x+x+xA lot of hard work from coaching staff and players for a good year next year. I feel that the players that were brought in are players that can fill in the holes that we lacked last year. Or at least, that’s what Gus and Ciro believe.
Missing out on AFB and Luai instead of spending money on utilities would have been my choice. Pay them both big dollars. We have had this ‘war chest’ for the last few years and have signed very few players that were elite. Kikau and Fox being the two that stand out.
What has happened to this club? We used to sign the best players and coaches. Now we sign players that are lucky to make first grade. Let’s see how things go.., Taaffe has plenty of talent, Curran is a great runner and has great hair, you all know my opinion of a much underrated Manncrush… Sexy has plenty of potential, Holbrook made an ordinary choice playing Tanner at 7 last year… Don’t forget Critter… Lou Reed was front runner for Origin (in front of Harry) until injury hit him…Thommo was considered amongst the best in the game in UK but had little luck with injury and bullshit suspensions… we signed a next gen the coach many others were keen to get… Presto a great pick up, credit where it’s due.:. The war chest thing always seems to be a media exaggeration… Remember, the current mob have only had control for a couple of years… they’ve made many positive steps from pathways, signing 3 of the best in their position, a young in demand 5/8 with plenty of potential…TPJ who the Panthers thought was good enough to add value and would have played on the GF but for injury, but didn’t turn out great for us… They had so much to do after Castle, and in particular Dib and Co destroyed everything we were about with their hubris… The Andersons at the very least stopped the me first mentality at Board level… Gus and CC ain’t in this for the quick fix, cos there ain’t one… We have always had success when the club has great hair Curran was an obvious signing. Probably worth signing DWZ Just let that Soul Glo!!!… He went to next level as his hair grew…
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+xA lot of hard work from coaching staff and players for a good year next year. I feel that the players that were brought in are players that can fill in the holes that we lacked last year. Or at least, that’s what Gus and Ciro believe.
Missing out on AFB and Luai instead of spending money on utilities would have been my choice. Pay them both big dollars. We have had this ‘war chest’ for the last few years and have signed very few players that were elite. Kikau and Fox being the two that stand out.
What has happened to this club? We used to sign the best players and coaches. Now we sign players that are lucky to make first grade. Thank the Salary Cap Floor..... Blight on game. The RLPA don't care about the clubs and their success. It's all about its individuals.
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+x+xA lot of hard work from coaching staff and players for a good year next year. I feel that the players that were brought in are players that can fill in the holes that we lacked last year. Or at least, that’s what Gus and Ciro believe.
Missing out on AFB and Luai instead of spending money on utilities would have been my choice. Pay them both big dollars. We have had this ‘war chest’ for the last few years and have signed very few players that were elite. Kikau and Fox being the two that stand out.
What has happened to this club? We used to sign the best players and coaches. Now we sign players that are lucky to make first grade. A coach can change the way a team plays, but that takes 2-3 seasons. Sorting out development is 3-5 years. Fans are patient for 3-5 games. If the wrong people are in charge the clock starts when the club has the right leadership . I am patient because any change will probably be a change to the wrong people. Not quite right. There are multiple examples of either coaches or key players instituting change that elevates teams within 1 year. The Bulldogs have done it in 2001 and 2009 and 2012. Parra also 2009. Broncos 2022. Knights afew years back. Etc It's all about finding a playing style that just fits with the roster, or a key positional change that just unlocks the player and team (Barba) or simply luck (stumbling to a winning formula without really knowing) We've been fumbling and stumbling for years, and other than a cameo from Potter last year, haven't stumbled on anything. Yet.
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+x+x+xA lot of hard work from coaching staff and players for a good year next year. I feel that the players that were brought in are players that can fill in the holes that we lacked last year. Or at least, that’s what Gus and Ciro believe.
Missing out on AFB and Luai instead of spending money on utilities would have been my choice. Pay them both big dollars. We have had this ‘war chest’ for the last few years and have signed very few players that were elite. Kikau and Fox being the two that stand out.
What has happened to this club? We used to sign the best players and coaches. Now we sign players that are lucky to make first grade. A coach can change the way a team plays, but that takes 2-3 seasons. Sorting out development is 3-5 years. Fans are patient for 3-5 games. If the wrong people are in charge the clock starts when the club has the right leadership . I am patient because any change will probably be a change to the wrong people. Not quite right. There are multiple examples of either coaches or key players instituting change that elevates teams within 1 year. The Bulldogs have done it in 2001 and 2009 and 2012. Parra also 2009. Broncos 2022. Knights afew years back. Etc It's all about finding a playing style that just fits with the roster, or a key positional change that just unlocks the player and team (Barba) or simply luck (stumbling to a winning formula without really knowing) We've been fumbling and stumbling for years, and other than a cameo from Potter last year, haven't stumbled on anything. Yet. All depends on whether the coach has a squad of players who can play the style he wants to play or a style that is good enough to win. Last season the squad could not defend how CC wanted to defend, and our defence wasn't good enough to be competitive in most games. Assembling and building a squad that can defend to the required standard is a 2-3 season proposition. Most of the premiership winning coaches are defence oriented, Ryan, Bennett, Bellamy, Robinson. A scenario where a team can defend adequately but one player having a breakout season in attack often has very little to do with coaching and often only lasts one season. In that case the attack and defence of the side was already competitive, but one or 2 players in top form added a key difference. The big moves on the table are due to the fact that most NRL teams are evenly matched, injuries and luck are a factor. We were not as bad in 2023 as the results indicate, some players did a lot of good work, but errors from other players undid a lot of that. Many of the players who consistently made errors have moved on. The 2024 squad is an improvement on the 2023 squad, but is not yet where we want it to be. There are never 30 top NRL players off contract who fit under the cap and solve our problems. We are churning players until the squad is competitive each week, once we get there 1-2 signings or a tweak to the playing style can make a difference. Your flawed assumption is that we are in the home straight when in reality we are on the start line of the marathon. It doesn't matter how impatient fans get, how much supposed expertise they claim to have or how often they bag the club, what the fans post counts for nothing. It takes as long as it takes.
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+x+x+xA lot of hard work from coaching staff and players for a good year next year. I feel that the players that were brought in are players that can fill in the holes that we lacked last year. Or at least, that’s what Gus and Ciro believe.
Missing out on AFB and Luai instead of spending money on utilities would have been my choice. Pay them both big dollars. We have had this ‘war chest’ for the last few years and have signed very few players that were elite. Kikau and Fox being the two that stand out.
What has happened to this club? We used to sign the best players and coaches. Now we sign players that are lucky to make first grade. A coach can change the way a team plays, but that takes 2-3 seasons. Sorting out development is 3-5 years. Fans are patient for 3-5 games. If the wrong people are in charge the clock starts when the club has the right leadership . I am patient because any change will probably be a change to the wrong people. Not quite right. There are multiple examples of either coaches or key players instituting change that elevates teams within 1 year. The Bulldogs have done it in 2001 and 2009 and 2012. Parra also 2009. Broncos 2022. Knights afew years back. Etc It's all about finding a playing style that just fits with the roster, or a key positional change that just unlocks the player and team (Barba) or simply luck (stumbling to a winning formula without really knowing) We've been fumbling and stumbling for years, and other than a cameo from Potter last year, haven't stumbled on anything. Yet. Do you think 1st, Reggies, Matts, Ball etc should all be playing the same system???..
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+x+x+x+xA lot of hard work from coaching staff and players for a good year next year. I feel that the players that were brought in are players that can fill in the holes that we lacked last year. Or at least, that’s what Gus and Ciro believe.
Missing out on AFB and Luai instead of spending money on utilities would have been my choice. Pay them both big dollars. We have had this ‘war chest’ for the last few years and have signed very few players that were elite. Kikau and Fox being the two that stand out.
What has happened to this club? We used to sign the best players and coaches. Now we sign players that are lucky to make first grade. A coach can change the way a team plays, but that takes 2-3 seasons. Sorting out development is 3-5 years. Fans are patient for 3-5 games. If the wrong people are in charge the clock starts when the club has the right leadership . I am patient because any change will probably be a change to the wrong people. Not quite right. There are multiple examples of either coaches or key players instituting change that elevates teams within 1 year. The Bulldogs have done it in 2001 and 2009 and 2012. Parra also 2009. Broncos 2022. Knights afew years back. Etc It's all about finding a playing style that just fits with the roster, or a key positional change that just unlocks the player and team (Barba) or simply luck (stumbling to a winning formula without really knowing) We've been fumbling and stumbling for years, and other than a cameo from Potter last year, haven't stumbled on anything. Yet. Do you think 1st, Reggies, Matts, Ball etc should all be playing the same system???.. I do, otherwise it is hard to move players up a grade. Des modelling our attack around Ben Barba was one of the few times I can remember a player influencing the style. There is no style that wins with crap players. Marki seems to think footy is similar to chess.
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+x#offseasonpost… Did all the Volvo drivers sell up and buy a magic car, or are Tesla drivers their own special brand of fekking awful drivers???… KIA are the new Volvo.
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+x+x+x+xA lot of hard work from coaching staff and players for a good year next year. I feel that the players that were brought in are players that can fill in the holes that we lacked last year. Or at least, that’s what Gus and Ciro believe.
Missing out on AFB and Luai instead of spending money on utilities would have been my choice. Pay them both big dollars. We have had this ‘war chest’ for the last few years and have signed very few players that were elite. Kikau and Fox being the two that stand out.
What has happened to this club? We used to sign the best players and coaches. Now we sign players that are lucky to make first grade. A coach can change the way a team plays, but that takes 2-3 seasons. Sorting out development is 3-5 years. Fans are patient for 3-5 games. If the wrong people are in charge the clock starts when the club has the right leadership . I am patient because any change will probably be a change to the wrong people. Not quite right. There are multiple examples of either coaches or key players instituting change that elevates teams within 1 year. The Bulldogs have done it in 2001 and 2009 and 2012. Parra also 2009. Broncos 2022. Knights afew years back. Etc It's all about finding a playing style that just fits with the roster, or a key positional change that just unlocks the player and team (Barba) or simply luck (stumbling to a winning formula without really knowing) We've been fumbling and stumbling for years, and other than a cameo from Potter last year, haven't stumbled on anything. Yet. All depends on whether the coach has a squad of players who can play the style he wants to play or a style that is good enough to win. Last season the squad could not defend how CC wanted to defend, and our defence wasn't good enough to be competitive in most games. Assembling and building a squad that can defend to the required standard is a 2-3 season proposition. Most of the premiership winning coaches are defence oriented, Ryan, Bennett, Bellamy, Robinson. A scenario where a team can defend adequately but one player having a breakout season in attack often has very little to do with coaching and often only lasts one season. In that case the attack and defence of the side was already competitive, but one or 2 players in top form added a key difference. The big moves on the table are due to the fact that most NRL teams are evenly matched, injuries and luck are a factor. We were not as bad in 2023 as the results indicate, some players did a lot of good work, but errors from other players undid a lot of that. Many of the players who consistently made errors have moved on. The 2024 squad is an improvement on the 2023 squad, but is not yet where we want it to be. There are never 30 top NRL players off contract who fit under the cap and solve our problems. We are churning players until the squad is competitive each week, once we get there 1-2 signings or a tweak to the playing style can make a difference. Your flawed assumption is that we are in the home straight when in reality we are on the start line of the marathon. It doesn't matter how impatient fans get, how much supposed expertise they claim to have or how often they bag the club, what the fans post counts for nothing. It takes as long as it takes. At no stage have I said we are in the home straight! Far from it and in fact the complete opposite. Our playing style does not give us any latitude to defend errors. Due to our poor halves and game management, we routinely concede territory on every set and coupled with ill-discipline, find ourselves defending teams in our own territory. We also fail to put scoreboard pressure. Again, because our spine doesnt take advantage of territory when we do finally get it. When I watch us play....and we fail to score 4 sets on the opposition line, I already know it's going to bite us later in the game. Similarly, when I see us conceding 20-30m per set due to poor defensive line or speed, and we are defending a couple of sets inside our 30m, I just know we are about to concede points. This style needs to change. It's not necessarily a forwards issue. The whole team and coach is responsible for the line speed in defence and the halves are responsible with where they turn over the ball after our sets.
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