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+x+x+x+x+xIn saying that I’m annoyed as much as anybody that Burto isn’t setting up his outside men and demanding the ball enough. But he will learn more this year and by years end will have more line break and/or try assists than any other player in the comp. Those figures are badly distorted. Burton looks like having high try assists coz he has been the main focal point of our attack. Don't be surprised if his figures drop this year as we have other players who can create things. Compare it to Eels or Panthers etc who share their try assists between Moses, Brown, Gutho or Cleary, Luai, Edwards etc. Having Flanno and Perham last year meant all our creative plays were mainly involving Burton. Brown 16 Moses 15 Gutho 14 Try Assists. But probably a poor argument because they didn’t make the finals.
The teams that did like The Sharks, Warriors and Broncos had Johnson, Hynes and Walsh. All close to 30 with almost nobody in their teams doing better than Burto.
My point being is that your argument is terrible. If we had another point of attack Burto would most likely still get his 16 plus try assists. It would just help that somebody else is putting in too. Considering we had the second worst attacking figures in the game last year. I'm glad you posted these figures because it just keeps reinforcing what I'm saying. That Burton's 16 try assists in a team that uses him as it's focal point of attack is way below where it needs to be. I can't fathom how you can't see that and instead think it's a positive for him! It's a double whammy. To both him and to CC. If Burton is producing 15-16 try assists in amongst others in the team doing similar, then yes, it's good. But if he's doing 16 and the next best is 8 or fewer, it means his 16 is nowhere near enough or the whole gameplan is not suited. Pick one. You’re not taking into account he was playing behind a badly beaten pack, in a mostly second grade side, that only met during pre-season, with nothing to attract the Ds attention anywhere else in the field… He was a marked man… with nothing around him… unlike your Clearys and Mutch Misses… No top half in the game does any better in that team last year… #BDS… I beg to differ. Mainly because his TA were predominately from kicks ratter than line breaks or passing. I reckon even in a beaten forward pack some of the other halves in the game would have had more TA through runs or passing. Maybe kick TA would be down -who knows? But I think others would definitely be higher. If Micko is right and it was under CC instructions that Burton take a step back and allow others to make things happen, then that it either poor coaching or poor roster. You'd think there's no excuses this year. That backline needs to be maximised and if the halves don't unleash them, the halves need to change.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIn saying that I’m annoyed as much as anybody that Burto isn’t setting up his outside men and demanding the ball enough. But he will learn more this year and by years end will have more line break and/or try assists than any other player in the comp. Those figures are badly distorted. Burton looks like having high try assists coz he has been the main focal point of our attack. Don't be surprised if his figures drop this year as we have other players who can create things. Compare it to Eels or Panthers etc who share their try assists between Moses, Brown, Gutho or Cleary, Luai, Edwards etc. Having Flanno and Perham last year meant all our creative plays were mainly involving Burton. Brown 16 Moses 15 Gutho 14 Try Assists. But probably a poor argument because they didn’t make the finals.
The teams that did like The Sharks, Warriors and Broncos had Johnson, Hynes and Walsh. All close to 30 with almost nobody in their teams doing better than Burto.
My point being is that your argument is terrible. If we had another point of attack Burto would most likely still get his 16 plus try assists. It would just help that somebody else is putting in too. Considering we had the second worst attacking figures in the game last year. I'm glad you posted these figures because it just keeps reinforcing what I'm saying. That Burton's 16 try assists in a team that uses him as it's focal point of attack is way below where it needs to be. I can't fathom how you can't see that and instead think it's a positive for him! It's a double whammy. To both him and to CC. If Burton is producing 15-16 try assists in amongst others in the team doing similar, then yes, it's good. But if he's doing 16 and the next best is 8 or fewer, it means his 16 is nowhere near enough or the whole gameplan is not suited. Pick one. You’re not taking into account he was playing behind a badly beaten pack, in a mostly second grade side, that only met during pre-season, with nothing to attract the Ds attention anywhere else in the field… He was a marked man… with nothing around him… unlike your Clearys and Mutch Misses… No top half in the game does any better in that team last year… #BDS… I beg to differ. Mainly because his TA were predominately from kicks ratter than line breaks or passing. I reckon even in a beaten forward pack some of the other halves in the game would have had more TA through runs or passing. Maybe kick TA would be down -who knows? But I think others would definitely be higher. If Micko is right and it was under CC instructions that Burton take a step back and allow others to make things happen, then that it either poor coaching or poor roster. You'd think there's no excuses this year. That backline needs to be maximised and if the halves don't unleash them, the halves need to change. Yes I remember our pack routinely finishing well on top last season. Burto was too busy in his underground lair Infecting bats with new strains of covid, and watching reruns of old Hollywood westerns.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIn saying that I’m annoyed as much as anybody that Burto isn’t setting up his outside men and demanding the ball enough. But he will learn more this year and by years end will have more line break and/or try assists than any other player in the comp. Those figures are badly distorted. Burton looks like having high try assists coz he has been the main focal point of our attack. Don't be surprised if his figures drop this year as we have other players who can create things. Compare it to Eels or Panthers etc who share their try assists between Moses, Brown, Gutho or Cleary, Luai, Edwards etc. Having Flanno and Perham last year meant all our creative plays were mainly involving Burton. Brown 16 Moses 15 Gutho 14 Try Assists. But probably a poor argument because they didn’t make the finals.
The teams that did like The Sharks, Warriors and Broncos had Johnson, Hynes and Walsh. All close to 30 with almost nobody in their teams doing better than Burto.
My point being is that your argument is terrible. If we had another point of attack Burto would most likely still get his 16 plus try assists. It would just help that somebody else is putting in too. Considering we had the second worst attacking figures in the game last year. I'm glad you posted these figures because it just keeps reinforcing what I'm saying. That Burton's 16 try assists in a team that uses him as it's focal point of attack is way below where it needs to be. I can't fathom how you can't see that and instead think it's a positive for him! It's a double whammy. To both him and to CC. If Burton is producing 15-16 try assists in amongst others in the team doing similar, then yes, it's good. But if he's doing 16 and the next best is 8 or fewer, it means his 16 is nowhere near enough or the whole gameplan is not suited. Pick one. You’re not taking into account he was playing behind a badly beaten pack, in a mostly second grade side, that only met during pre-season, with nothing to attract the Ds attention anywhere else in the field… He was a marked man… with nothing around him… unlike your Clearys and Mutch Misses… No top half in the game does any better in that team last year… #BDS… I beg to differ. Mainly because his TA were predominately from kicks ratter than line breaks or passing. I reckon even in a beaten forward pack some of the other halves in the game would have had more TA through runs or passing. Maybe kick TA would be down -who knows? But I think others would definitely be higher. If Micko is right and it was under CC instructions that Burton take a step back and allow others to make things happen, then that it either poor coaching or poor roster. You'd think there's no excuses this year. That backline needs to be maximised and if the halves don't unleash them, the halves need to change. FFS…shift the goalposts… #BDS…
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I am pumped for round 1 and the season generally.
I've seen enough to convince me that we will be competitive.
The difference between competitive and winning is practice and execution.
Depth is very good especially compared to the last 5 seasons.
Some young kids 1-2 years away the look like future stars.
I like our style of attack, but stick to the short chain passing with bodies in motion, keep the long passes to a minimum.
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Marki
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+xI am pumped for round 1 and the season generally. I've seen enough to convince me that we will be competitive. The difference between competitive and winning is practice and execution. Depth is very good especially compared to the last 5 seasons. Some young kids 1-2 years away the look like future stars. I like our style of attack, but stick to the short chain passing with bodies in motion, keep the long passes to a minimum. The best thing for the young pups is that they will need to prove they are better than the first graders in order to crack the first grade team. Afew years ago, there wasn't much between the lower graders and first graders and they were thrown in perhaps too early and found out against better opposition. By elevating the skill and professionalism of the first grade team, the pups will be more ready when they make the step up than we've had in previous years. Our plan would be to have this current crop of first graders get us back to a competitive level (perhaps finals for a couple of years) and then have some of these young pups take over and make a push for a premiership in 2-5years time. We all would like to think it can be sooner (and it might) but the realist in me says it will be at least a couple more years and only a handful of the current first graders will be part of that team.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn saying that I’m annoyed as much as anybody that Burto isn’t setting up his outside men and demanding the ball enough. But he will learn more this year and by years end will have more line break and/or try assists than any other player in the comp. Those figures are badly distorted. Burton looks like having high try assists coz he has been the main focal point of our attack. Don't be surprised if his figures drop this year as we have other players who can create things. Compare it to Eels or Panthers etc who share their try assists between Moses, Brown, Gutho or Cleary, Luai, Edwards etc. Having Flanno and Perham last year meant all our creative plays were mainly involving Burton. There’s no figures there… Maybe his stats go up this year cos we have players who can finish things instead of balls it up… Id reckon Burtos job was likely more difficult last year as the D only had one bloke on which to focus… He also played behind a badly beaten pack each week unlike the players you mention… Could go either way. The main goal would be to increase our try assists collectively (which would mean more points scored and ultimately more wins), rather than have 1 guy at the top of the NRL stat tree but playing in a bottom 4 ladder club..... Again the bias. And again the stupidity.
Penrith try assists. Nathan Cleary = 20
Critra = 15
Luai = 13
Tago = 8
What are you doing here? You're just reinforcing my post. You said Penrith share the try assists around between Cleary, Luai and Edwards. Clearly that isn’t the case. How isn't it? You brought up the figures yourself. Couldn't have reinforced my post any better. I bet you can bring up Eels and Souths and Broncos and have a similar conclusion. Your stats on Warriors was interesting but at the same time unsurprising. SJ was nearly Dally M player and it needed him to have one of the highest try assists to get them to play finals. I don't like that game strategy as it's too cut-throat. It's no coincidence most top 4 teams share this stat. Edwards had six try assists. Not even in the top fifty. Why look at South’s, they missed the eight.
Look at NRL stats. Look at top eight teams. And spine players being clearly your most important players. You might get the point that not every team shares try assists evenly in the spine or in the team in general. And those teams still come close to or win the comp. It doesn't necessarily need to be spine players -but it's more likely. And it doesn't matter if they made the top 8 or not. You'll probably find Eels and Souths make top 4 this season with very little change from last year (just won't lose as many early season games). The point is, teams that rely on a single player as their focal point, have the odds stacked against them to play finals. That player must be a Barba, Hayne or Turbo or A Johns to get them in. And while it might happen once or twice in a decade, chances are it won't. We have the talent in this roster to share this stat so hopefully 24 is the beginning of changing our gameplan and attack. We never intended to have Burto as a single focal point. Last season Flanno and Perham were not effective. We lost the forwards battle and out of the forwards left on deck none of them were ball players. It's a good point. Flanno had 0 try assists at halfback and Perham had 4 at fullback. That is outrageously low. Contrast with say Parra, who didn't have a great year. Between Moses and Gutho they had 29. I'd say most teams with settled spines would be sitting around that 30 TA mark between their halfback and fullback.
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+x+xI am pumped for round 1 and the season generally. I've seen enough to convince me that we will be competitive. The difference between competitive and winning is practice and execution. Depth is very good especially compared to the last 5 seasons. Some young kids 1-2 years away the look like future stars. I like our style of attack, but stick to the short chain passing with bodies in motion, keep the long passes to a minimum. The best thing for the young pups is that they will need to prove they are better than the first graders in order to crack the first grade team. Afew years ago, there wasn't much between the lower graders and first graders and they were thrown in perhaps too early and found out against better opposition. By elevating the skill and professionalism of the first grade team, the pups will be more ready when they make the step up than we've had in previous years. Our plan would be to have this current crop of first graders get us back to a competitive level (perhaps finals for a couple of years) and then have some of these young pups take over and make a push for a premiership in 2-5years time. We all would like to think it can be sooner (and it might) but the realist in me says it will be at least a couple more years and only a handful of the current first graders will be part of that team. Yes, you pretty much nailed it. The current crop are there to become competitive, set standards, give the fans something worth cheering, etc. We are trying to drag games into a contest where desire and effort count. The young pups will be phased in when the time is right. Rushing a young guy into a weak team is a bad idea. We are also trying to define and evolve a style of play in attack and defence. I am sure that the current side does think that they can win a premiership without the young guys. The ball is in their court, fitness, teamwork and desire can achieve a lot. Overall I think we may be waiting a few years for a premiership, but I want to see what the current side can do. On reflection I am happy with what we did in the trails, but the Eels also looked good in their trial. Not many easy wins on offer in the NRL. But being competitive is a minimum requirement. .
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Stop shifting the goal posts Marki Burton was great last year in a terrible team. Great kicking game and plenty if try assists. He certainly isn’t to blame. And moving our best attacking player to the centres is beyond ludicrous.
Our fullback and halfback I’ll agree need more try assists. But it’s not like Burto is stopping that. It’s simply our fullback and halfback last year weren’t good enough.
But our forwards were also terrible. And I’ll bet that every year all the standout teams forward packs make more meters and concedes less meters than every other forward pack.
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Mick O
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn saying that I’m annoyed as much as anybody that Burto isn’t setting up his outside men and demanding the ball enough. But he will learn more this year and by years end will have more line break and/or try assists than any other player in the comp. Those figures are badly distorted. Burton looks like having high try assists coz he has been the main focal point of our attack. Don't be surprised if his figures drop this year as we have other players who can create things. Compare it to Eels or Panthers etc who share their try assists between Moses, Brown, Gutho or Cleary, Luai, Edwards etc. Having Flanno and Perham last year meant all our creative plays were mainly involving Burton. There’s no figures there… Maybe his stats go up this year cos we have players who can finish things instead of balls it up… Id reckon Burtos job was likely more difficult last year as the D only had one bloke on which to focus… He also played behind a badly beaten pack each week unlike the players you mention… Could go either way. The main goal would be to increase our try assists collectively (which would mean more points scored and ultimately more wins), rather than have 1 guy at the top of the NRL stat tree but playing in a bottom 4 ladder club..... Again the bias. And again the stupidity.
Penrith try assists. Nathan Cleary = 20
Critra = 15
Luai = 13
Tago = 8
What are you doing here? You're just reinforcing my post. You said Penrith share the try assists around between Cleary, Luai and Edwards. Clearly that isn’t the case. How isn't it? You brought up the figures yourself. Couldn't have reinforced my post any better. I bet you can bring up Eels and Souths and Broncos and have a similar conclusion. Your stats on Warriors was interesting but at the same time unsurprising. SJ was nearly Dally M player and it needed him to have one of the highest try assists to get them to play finals. I don't like that game strategy as it's too cut-throat. It's no coincidence most top 4 teams share this stat. Edwards had six try assists. Not even in the top fifty. Why look at South’s, they missed the eight.
Look at NRL stats. Look at top eight teams. And spine players being clearly your most important players. You might get the point that not every team shares try assists evenly in the spine or in the team in general. And those teams still come close to or win the comp. It doesn't necessarily need to be spine players -but it's more likely. And it doesn't matter if they made the top 8 or not. You'll probably find Eels and Souths make top 4 this season with very little change from last year (just won't lose as many early season games). The point is, teams that rely on a single player as their focal point, have the odds stacked against them to play finals. That player must be a Barba, Hayne or Turbo or A Johns to get them in. And while it might happen once or twice in a decade, chances are it won't. We have the talent in this roster to share this stat so hopefully 24 is the beginning of changing our gameplan and attack. We never intended to have Burto as a single focal point. Last season Flanno and Perham were not effective. We lost the forwards battle and out of the forwards left on deck none of them were ball players. It's a good point. Flanno had 0 try assists at halfback and Perham had 4 at fullback. That is outrageously low. Contrast with say Parra, who didn't have a great year. Between Moses and Gutho they had 29. I'd say most teams with settled spines would be sitting around that 30 TA mark between their halfback and fullback. That tells me we need a better halfback and fullback. Problem has been worked on. Hopefully Hutch and Taaffe do better
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dman2018
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn saying that I’m annoyed as much as anybody that Burto isn’t setting up his outside men and demanding the ball enough. But he will learn more this year and by years end will have more line break and/or try assists than any other player in the comp. Those figures are badly distorted. Burton looks like having high try assists coz he has been the main focal point of our attack. Don't be surprised if his figures drop this year as we have other players who can create things. Compare it to Eels or Panthers etc who share their try assists between Moses, Brown, Gutho or Cleary, Luai, Edwards etc. Having Flanno and Perham last year meant all our creative plays were mainly involving Burton. There’s no figures there… Maybe his stats go up this year cos we have players who can finish things instead of balls it up… Id reckon Burtos job was likely more difficult last year as the D only had one bloke on which to focus… He also played behind a badly beaten pack each week unlike the players you mention… Could go either way. The main goal would be to increase our try assists collectively (which would mean more points scored and ultimately more wins), rather than have 1 guy at the top of the NRL stat tree but playing in a bottom 4 ladder club..... Again the bias. And again the stupidity.
Penrith try assists. Nathan Cleary = 20
Critra = 15
Luai = 13
Tago = 8
What are you doing here? You're just reinforcing my post. You said Penrith share the try assists around between Cleary, Luai and Edwards. Clearly that isn’t the case. How isn't it? You brought up the figures yourself. Couldn't have reinforced my post any better. I bet you can bring up Eels and Souths and Broncos and have a similar conclusion. Your stats on Warriors was interesting but at the same time unsurprising. SJ was nearly Dally M player and it needed him to have one of the highest try assists to get them to play finals. I don't like that game strategy as it's too cut-throat. It's no coincidence most top 4 teams share this stat. Edwards had six try assists. Not even in the top fifty. Why look at South’s, they missed the eight.
Look at NRL stats. Look at top eight teams. And spine players being clearly your most important players. You might get the point that not every team shares try assists evenly in the spine or in the team in general. And those teams still come close to or win the comp. It doesn't necessarily need to be spine players -but it's more likely. And it doesn't matter if they made the top 8 or not. You'll probably find Eels and Souths make top 4 this season with very little change from last year (just won't lose as many early season games). The point is, teams that rely on a single player as their focal point, have the odds stacked against them to play finals. That player must be a Barba, Hayne or Turbo or A Johns to get them in. And while it might happen once or twice in a decade, chances are it won't. We have the talent in this roster to share this stat so hopefully 24 is the beginning of changing our gameplan and attack. We never intended to have Burto as a single focal point. Last season Flanno and Perham were not effective. We lost the forwards battle and out of the forwards left on deck none of them were ball players. It's a good point. Flanno had 0 try assists at halfback and Perham had 4 at fullback. That is outrageously low. Contrast with say Parra, who didn't have a great year. Between Moses and Gutho they had 29. I'd say most teams with settled spines would be sitting around that 30 TA mark between their halfback and fullback. That tells me we need a better halfback and fullback. Problem has been worked on. Hopefully Hutch and Taaffe do better But, but, but Burton…
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+xStop shifting the goal posts Marki Burton was great last year in a terrible team. Great kicking game and plenty if try assists. He certainly isn’t to blame. And moving our best attacking player to the centres is beyond ludicrous.
Our fullback and halfback I’ll agree need more try assists. But it’s not like Burto is stopping that. It’s simply our fullback and halfback last year weren’t good enough.
But our forwards were also terrible. And I’ll bet that every year all the standout teams forward packs make more meters and concedes less meters than every other forward pack. Our forwards are at least heading in the right direction, based on trial form. We were not steamrolled in either trial, but still an area where we are behind the better teams. Time will tell how we compare to the rest. The play from Burto where he kicked for Foxy to pass to Xerri was the only high class attacking move in the game. The pass from Curran to Presto for the try was second best. Both Sharks tries came from our errors. If Curran and Hughes start the second half, we probably win that Sharks trial. Close game, but we were the better side. Burto at least tied with Trindall for best half on the field.
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I think that there was a reserve grade trail on Saturday, anyone know who played well?
Knight was going to get lots of minutes.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn saying that I’m annoyed as much as anybody that Burto isn’t setting up his outside men and demanding the ball enough. But he will learn more this year and by years end will have more line break and/or try assists than any other player in the comp. Those figures are badly distorted. Burton looks like having high try assists coz he has been the main focal point of our attack. Don't be surprised if his figures drop this year as we have other players who can create things. Compare it to Eels or Panthers etc who share their try assists between Moses, Brown, Gutho or Cleary, Luai, Edwards etc. Having Flanno and Perham last year meant all our creative plays were mainly involving Burton. There’s no figures there… Maybe his stats go up this year cos we have players who can finish things instead of balls it up… Id reckon Burtos job was likely more difficult last year as the D only had one bloke on which to focus… He also played behind a badly beaten pack each week unlike the players you mention… Could go either way. The main goal would be to increase our try assists collectively (which would mean more points scored and ultimately more wins), rather than have 1 guy at the top of the NRL stat tree but playing in a bottom 4 ladder club..... Again the bias. And again the stupidity.
Penrith try assists. Nathan Cleary = 20
Critra = 15
Luai = 13
Tago = 8
What are you doing here? You're just reinforcing my post. You said Penrith share the try assists around between Cleary, Luai and Edwards. Clearly that isn’t the case. How isn't it? You brought up the figures yourself. Couldn't have reinforced my post any better. I bet you can bring up Eels and Souths and Broncos and have a similar conclusion. Your stats on Warriors was interesting but at the same time unsurprising. SJ was nearly Dally M player and it needed him to have one of the highest try assists to get them to play finals. I don't like that game strategy as it's too cut-throat. It's no coincidence most top 4 teams share this stat. Edwards had six try assists. Not even in the top fifty. Why look at South’s, they missed the eight.
Look at NRL stats. Look at top eight teams. And spine players being clearly your most important players. You might get the point that not every team shares try assists evenly in the spine or in the team in general. And those teams still come close to or win the comp. It doesn't necessarily need to be spine players -but it's more likely. And it doesn't matter if they made the top 8 or not. You'll probably find Eels and Souths make top 4 this season with very little change from last year (just won't lose as many early season games). The point is, teams that rely on a single player as their focal point, have the odds stacked against them to play finals. That player must be a Barba, Hayne or Turbo or A Johns to get them in. And while it might happen once or twice in a decade, chances are it won't. We have the talent in this roster to share this stat so hopefully 24 is the beginning of changing our gameplan and attack. We never intended to have Burto as a single focal point. Last season Flanno and Perham were not effective. We lost the forwards battle and out of the forwards left on deck none of them were ball players. It's a good point. Flanno had 0 try assists at halfback and Perham had 4 at fullback. That is outrageously low. Contrast with say Parra, who didn't have a great year. Between Moses and Gutho they had 29. I'd say most teams with settled spines would be sitting around that 30 TA mark between their halfback and fullback. That tells me we need a better halfback and fullback. Problem has been worked on. Hopefully Hutch and Taaffe do better But, but, but Burton… I blame Burto for Putin, ABBA, me getting old, the mysterious disappearance of Villi etc.... Last I heard from Villi he posted something negative about Burto, hmmmmmm
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn saying that I’m annoyed as much as anybody that Burto isn’t setting up his outside men and demanding the ball enough. But he will learn more this year and by years end will have more line break and/or try assists than any other player in the comp. Those figures are badly distorted. Burton looks like having high try assists coz he has been the main focal point of our attack. Don't be surprised if his figures drop this year as we have other players who can create things. Compare it to Eels or Panthers etc who share their try assists between Moses, Brown, Gutho or Cleary, Luai, Edwards etc. Having Flanno and Perham last year meant all our creative plays were mainly involving Burton. There’s no figures there… Maybe his stats go up this year cos we have players who can finish things instead of balls it up… Id reckon Burtos job was likely more difficult last year as the D only had one bloke on which to focus… He also played behind a badly beaten pack each week unlike the players you mention… Could go either way. The main goal would be to increase our try assists collectively (which would mean more points scored and ultimately more wins), rather than have 1 guy at the top of the NRL stat tree but playing in a bottom 4 ladder club..... Again the bias. And again the stupidity.
Penrith try assists. Nathan Cleary = 20
Critra = 15
Luai = 13
Tago = 8
What are you doing here? You're just reinforcing my post. You said Penrith share the try assists around between Cleary, Luai and Edwards. Clearly that isn’t the case. How isn't it? You brought up the figures yourself. Couldn't have reinforced my post any better. I bet you can bring up Eels and Souths and Broncos and have a similar conclusion. Your stats on Warriors was interesting but at the same time unsurprising. SJ was nearly Dally M player and it needed him to have one of the highest try assists to get them to play finals. I don't like that game strategy as it's too cut-throat. It's no coincidence most top 4 teams share this stat. Edwards had six try assists. Not even in the top fifty. Why look at South’s, they missed the eight.
Look at NRL stats. Look at top eight teams. And spine players being clearly your most important players. You might get the point that not every team shares try assists evenly in the spine or in the team in general. And those teams still come close to or win the comp. It doesn't necessarily need to be spine players -but it's more likely. And it doesn't matter if they made the top 8 or not. You'll probably find Eels and Souths make top 4 this season with very little change from last year (just won't lose as many early season games). The point is, teams that rely on a single player as their focal point, have the odds stacked against them to play finals. That player must be a Barba, Hayne or Turbo or A Johns to get them in. And while it might happen once or twice in a decade, chances are it won't. We have the talent in this roster to share this stat so hopefully 24 is the beginning of changing our gameplan and attack. We never intended to have Burto as a single focal point. Last season Flanno and Perham were not effective. We lost the forwards battle and out of the forwards left on deck none of them were ball players. It's a good point. Flanno had 0 try assists at halfback and Perham had 4 at fullback. That is outrageously low. Contrast with say Parra, who didn't have a great year. Between Moses and Gutho they had 29. I'd say most teams with settled spines would be sitting around that 30 TA mark between their halfback and fullback. That tells me we need a better halfback and fullback. Problem has been worked on. Hopefully Hutch and Taaffe do better But, but, but Burton… Exactly. It’s honestly getting boring. Burton was our most creative player last year and will most likely be again this year. But ‘somebody’ keeps on wanting to criticise him or move him to the centres or get rid of him
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn saying that I’m annoyed as much as anybody that Burto isn’t setting up his outside men and demanding the ball enough. But he will learn more this year and by years end will have more line break and/or try assists than any other player in the comp. Those figures are badly distorted. Burton looks like having high try assists coz he has been the main focal point of our attack. Don't be surprised if his figures drop this year as we have other players who can create things. Compare it to Eels or Panthers etc who share their try assists between Moses, Brown, Gutho or Cleary, Luai, Edwards etc. Having Flanno and Perham last year meant all our creative plays were mainly involving Burton. There’s no figures there… Maybe his stats go up this year cos we have players who can finish things instead of balls it up… Id reckon Burtos job was likely more difficult last year as the D only had one bloke on which to focus… He also played behind a badly beaten pack each week unlike the players you mention… Could go either way. The main goal would be to increase our try assists collectively (which would mean more points scored and ultimately more wins), rather than have 1 guy at the top of the NRL stat tree but playing in a bottom 4 ladder club..... Again the bias. And again the stupidity.
Penrith try assists. Nathan Cleary = 20
Critra = 15
Luai = 13
Tago = 8
What are you doing here? You're just reinforcing my post. You said Penrith share the try assists around between Cleary, Luai and Edwards. Clearly that isn’t the case. How isn't it? You brought up the figures yourself. Couldn't have reinforced my post any better. I bet you can bring up Eels and Souths and Broncos and have a similar conclusion. Your stats on Warriors was interesting but at the same time unsurprising. SJ was nearly Dally M player and it needed him to have one of the highest try assists to get them to play finals. I don't like that game strategy as it's too cut-throat. It's no coincidence most top 4 teams share this stat. Edwards had six try assists. Not even in the top fifty. Why look at South’s, they missed the eight.
Look at NRL stats. Look at top eight teams. And spine players being clearly your most important players. You might get the point that not every team shares try assists evenly in the spine or in the team in general. And those teams still come close to or win the comp. It doesn't necessarily need to be spine players -but it's more likely. And it doesn't matter if they made the top 8 or not. You'll probably find Eels and Souths make top 4 this season with very little change from last year (just won't lose as many early season games). The point is, teams that rely on a single player as their focal point, have the odds stacked against them to play finals. That player must be a Barba, Hayne or Turbo or A Johns to get them in. And while it might happen once or twice in a decade, chances are it won't. We have the talent in this roster to share this stat so hopefully 24 is the beginning of changing our gameplan and attack. We never intended to have Burto as a single focal point. Last season Flanno and Perham were not effective. We lost the forwards battle and out of the forwards left on deck none of them were ball players. It's a good point. Flanno had 0 try assists at halfback and Perham had 4 at fullback. That is outrageously low. Contrast with say Parra, who didn't have a great year. Between Moses and Gutho they had 29. I'd say most teams with settled spines would be sitting around that 30 TA mark between their halfback and fullback. That tells me we need a better halfback and fullback. Problem has been worked on. Hopefully Hutch and Taaffe do better But, but, but Burton… I blame Burto for Putin, ABBA, me getting old, the mysterious disappearance of Villi etc.... Last I heard from Villi he posted something negative about Burto, hmmmmmm If it is the "real" villi, he sometimes graces TK for a quick smack out.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn saying that I’m annoyed as much as anybody that Burto isn’t setting up his outside men and demanding the ball enough. But he will learn more this year and by years end will have more line break and/or try assists than any other player in the comp. Those figures are badly distorted. Burton looks like having high try assists coz he has been the main focal point of our attack. Don't be surprised if his figures drop this year as we have other players who can create things. Compare it to Eels or Panthers etc who share their try assists between Moses, Brown, Gutho or Cleary, Luai, Edwards etc. Having Flanno and Perham last year meant all our creative plays were mainly involving Burton. There’s no figures there… Maybe his stats go up this year cos we have players who can finish things instead of balls it up… Id reckon Burtos job was likely more difficult last year as the D only had one bloke on which to focus… He also played behind a badly beaten pack each week unlike the players you mention… Could go either way. The main goal would be to increase our try assists collectively (which would mean more points scored and ultimately more wins), rather than have 1 guy at the top of the NRL stat tree but playing in a bottom 4 ladder club..... Again the bias. And again the stupidity.
Penrith try assists. Nathan Cleary = 20
Critra = 15
Luai = 13
Tago = 8
What are you doing here? You're just reinforcing my post. You said Penrith share the try assists around between Cleary, Luai and Edwards. Clearly that isn’t the case. How isn't it? You brought up the figures yourself. Couldn't have reinforced my post any better. I bet you can bring up Eels and Souths and Broncos and have a similar conclusion. Your stats on Warriors was interesting but at the same time unsurprising. SJ was nearly Dally M player and it needed him to have one of the highest try assists to get them to play finals. I don't like that game strategy as it's too cut-throat. It's no coincidence most top 4 teams share this stat. Edwards had six try assists. Not even in the top fifty. Why look at South’s, they missed the eight.
Look at NRL stats. Look at top eight teams. And spine players being clearly your most important players. You might get the point that not every team shares try assists evenly in the spine or in the team in general. And those teams still come close to or win the comp. It doesn't necessarily need to be spine players -but it's more likely. And it doesn't matter if they made the top 8 or not. You'll probably find Eels and Souths make top 4 this season with very little change from last year (just won't lose as many early season games). The point is, teams that rely on a single player as their focal point, have the odds stacked against them to play finals. That player must be a Barba, Hayne or Turbo or A Johns to get them in. And while it might happen once or twice in a decade, chances are it won't. We have the talent in this roster to share this stat so hopefully 24 is the beginning of changing our gameplan and attack. We never intended to have Burto as a single focal point. Last season Flanno and Perham were not effective. We lost the forwards battle and out of the forwards left on deck none of them were ball players. It's a good point. Flanno had 0 try assists at halfback and Perham had 4 at fullback. That is outrageously low. Contrast with say Parra, who didn't have a great year. Between Moses and Gutho they had 29. I'd say most teams with settled spines would be sitting around that 30 TA mark between their halfback and fullback. That tells me we need a better halfback and fullback. Problem has been worked on. Hopefully Hutch and Taaffe do better But, but, but Burton… I blame Burto for Putin, ABBA, me getting old, the mysterious disappearance of Villi etc.... Last I heard from Villi he posted something negative about Burto, hmmmmmm It’s tough to figure this stuff out… I’d have thought Putin was to blame for Burto and the rest of the horrors you mention…
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn saying that I’m annoyed as much as anybody that Burto isn’t setting up his outside men and demanding the ball enough. But he will learn more this year and by years end will have more line break and/or try assists than any other player in the comp. Those figures are badly distorted. Burton looks like having high try assists coz he has been the main focal point of our attack. Don't be surprised if his figures drop this year as we have other players who can create things. Compare it to Eels or Panthers etc who share their try assists between Moses, Brown, Gutho or Cleary, Luai, Edwards etc. Having Flanno and Perham last year meant all our creative plays were mainly involving Burton. There’s no figures there… Maybe his stats go up this year cos we have players who can finish things instead of balls it up… Id reckon Burtos job was likely more difficult last year as the D only had one bloke on which to focus… He also played behind a badly beaten pack each week unlike the players you mention… Could go either way. The main goal would be to increase our try assists collectively (which would mean more points scored and ultimately more wins), rather than have 1 guy at the top of the NRL stat tree but playing in a bottom 4 ladder club..... Again the bias. And again the stupidity.
Penrith try assists. Nathan Cleary = 20
Critra = 15
Luai = 13
Tago = 8
What are you doing here? You're just reinforcing my post. You said Penrith share the try assists around between Cleary, Luai and Edwards. Clearly that isn’t the case. How isn't it? You brought up the figures yourself. Couldn't have reinforced my post any better. I bet you can bring up Eels and Souths and Broncos and have a similar conclusion. Your stats on Warriors was interesting but at the same time unsurprising. SJ was nearly Dally M player and it needed him to have one of the highest try assists to get them to play finals. I don't like that game strategy as it's too cut-throat. It's no coincidence most top 4 teams share this stat. Edwards had six try assists. Not even in the top fifty. Why look at South’s, they missed the eight.
Look at NRL stats. Look at top eight teams. And spine players being clearly your most important players. You might get the point that not every team shares try assists evenly in the spine or in the team in general. And those teams still come close to or win the comp. It doesn't necessarily need to be spine players -but it's more likely. And it doesn't matter if they made the top 8 or not. You'll probably find Eels and Souths make top 4 this season with very little change from last year (just won't lose as many early season games). The point is, teams that rely on a single player as their focal point, have the odds stacked against them to play finals. That player must be a Barba, Hayne or Turbo or A Johns to get them in. And while it might happen once or twice in a decade, chances are it won't. We have the talent in this roster to share this stat so hopefully 24 is the beginning of changing our gameplan and attack. We never intended to have Burto as a single focal point. Last season Flanno and Perham were not effective. We lost the forwards battle and out of the forwards left on deck none of them were ball players. It's a good point. Flanno had 0 try assists at halfback and Perham had 4 at fullback. That is outrageously low. Contrast with say Parra, who didn't have a great year. Between Moses and Gutho they had 29. I'd say most teams with settled spines would be sitting around that 30 TA mark between their halfback and fullback. That tells me we need a better halfback and fullback. Problem has been worked on. Hopefully Hutch and Taaffe do better But, but, but Burton… I blame Burto for Putin, ABBA, me getting old, the mysterious disappearance of Villi etc.... Last I heard from Villi he posted something negative about Burto, hmmmmmm If it is the "real" villi, he sometimes graces TK for a quick smack out. Speaking of kcams… I did notice a post over there recently with that handle recently…
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Shoes re-signs through to to end of 26… nice…
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn saying that I’m annoyed as much as anybody that Burto isn’t setting up his outside men and demanding the ball enough. But he will learn more this year and by years end will have more line break and/or try assists than any other player in the comp. Those figures are badly distorted. Burton looks like having high try assists coz he has been the main focal point of our attack. Don't be surprised if his figures drop this year as we have other players who can create things. Compare it to Eels or Panthers etc who share their try assists between Moses, Brown, Gutho or Cleary, Luai, Edwards etc. Having Flanno and Perham last year meant all our creative plays were mainly involving Burton. There’s no figures there… Maybe his stats go up this year cos we have players who can finish things instead of balls it up… Id reckon Burtos job was likely more difficult last year as the D only had one bloke on which to focus… He also played behind a badly beaten pack each week unlike the players you mention… Could go either way. The main goal would be to increase our try assists collectively (which would mean more points scored and ultimately more wins), rather than have 1 guy at the top of the NRL stat tree but playing in a bottom 4 ladder club..... Again the bias. And again the stupidity.
Penrith try assists. Nathan Cleary = 20
Critra = 15
Luai = 13
Tago = 8
What are you doing here? You're just reinforcing my post. You said Penrith share the try assists around between Cleary, Luai and Edwards. Clearly that isn’t the case. How isn't it? You brought up the figures yourself. Couldn't have reinforced my post any better. I bet you can bring up Eels and Souths and Broncos and have a similar conclusion. Your stats on Warriors was interesting but at the same time unsurprising. SJ was nearly Dally M player and it needed him to have one of the highest try assists to get them to play finals. I don't like that game strategy as it's too cut-throat. It's no coincidence most top 4 teams share this stat. Edwards had six try assists. Not even in the top fifty. Why look at South’s, they missed the eight.
Look at NRL stats. Look at top eight teams. And spine players being clearly your most important players. You might get the point that not every team shares try assists evenly in the spine or in the team in general. And those teams still come close to or win the comp. It doesn't necessarily need to be spine players -but it's more likely. And it doesn't matter if they made the top 8 or not. You'll probably find Eels and Souths make top 4 this season with very little change from last year (just won't lose as many early season games). The point is, teams that rely on a single player as their focal point, have the odds stacked against them to play finals. That player must be a Barba, Hayne or Turbo or A Johns to get them in. And while it might happen once or twice in a decade, chances are it won't. We have the talent in this roster to share this stat so hopefully 24 is the beginning of changing our gameplan and attack. We never intended to have Burto as a single focal point. Last season Flanno and Perham were not effective. We lost the forwards battle and out of the forwards left on deck none of them were ball players. It's a good point. Flanno had 0 try assists at halfback and Perham had 4 at fullback. That is outrageously low. Contrast with say Parra, who didn't have a great year. Between Moses and Gutho they had 29. I'd say most teams with settled spines would be sitting around that 30 TA mark between their halfback and fullback. Yep, that was a black mark on CC more than anything. He should have acted on the Perham mistake far earlier. Averillo may not have produced many more TA but he scored plenty of individual tries and would have had more if he was FB earlier. As for HB.... I think we were shot before the season started. Gus should have gone harder for a Mitch Moses. Especially if he knew we weren't going to retain our expensive forwards beyond 23
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn saying that I’m annoyed as much as anybody that Burto isn’t setting up his outside men and demanding the ball enough. But he will learn more this year and by years end will have more line break and/or try assists than any other player in the comp. Those figures are badly distorted. Burton looks like having high try assists coz he has been the main focal point of our attack. Don't be surprised if his figures drop this year as we have other players who can create things. Compare it to Eels or Panthers etc who share their try assists between Moses, Brown, Gutho or Cleary, Luai, Edwards etc. Having Flanno and Perham last year meant all our creative plays were mainly involving Burton. There’s no figures there… Maybe his stats go up this year cos we have players who can finish things instead of balls it up… Id reckon Burtos job was likely more difficult last year as the D only had one bloke on which to focus… He also played behind a badly beaten pack each week unlike the players you mention… Could go either way. The main goal would be to increase our try assists collectively (which would mean more points scored and ultimately more wins), rather than have 1 guy at the top of the NRL stat tree but playing in a bottom 4 ladder club..... Again the bias. And again the stupidity.
Penrith try assists. Nathan Cleary = 20
Critra = 15
Luai = 13
Tago = 8
What are you doing here? You're just reinforcing my post. You said Penrith share the try assists around between Cleary, Luai and Edwards. Clearly that isn’t the case. How isn't it? You brought up the figures yourself. Couldn't have reinforced my post any better. I bet you can bring up Eels and Souths and Broncos and have a similar conclusion. Your stats on Warriors was interesting but at the same time unsurprising. SJ was nearly Dally M player and it needed him to have one of the highest try assists to get them to play finals. I don't like that game strategy as it's too cut-throat. It's no coincidence most top 4 teams share this stat. Edwards had six try assists. Not even in the top fifty. Why look at South’s, they missed the eight.
Look at NRL stats. Look at top eight teams. And spine players being clearly your most important players. You might get the point that not every team shares try assists evenly in the spine or in the team in general. And those teams still come close to or win the comp. It doesn't necessarily need to be spine players -but it's more likely. And it doesn't matter if they made the top 8 or not. You'll probably find Eels and Souths make top 4 this season with very little change from last year (just won't lose as many early season games). The point is, teams that rely on a single player as their focal point, have the odds stacked against them to play finals. That player must be a Barba, Hayne or Turbo or A Johns to get them in. And while it might happen once or twice in a decade, chances are it won't. We have the talent in this roster to share this stat so hopefully 24 is the beginning of changing our gameplan and attack. We never intended to have Burto as a single focal point. Last season Flanno and Perham were not effective. We lost the forwards battle and out of the forwards left on deck none of them were ball players. It's a good point. Flanno had 0 try assists at halfback and Perham had 4 at fullback. That is outrageously low. Contrast with say Parra, who didn't have a great year. Between Moses and Gutho they had 29. I'd say most teams with settled spines would be sitting around that 30 TA mark between their halfback and fullback. That tells me we need a better halfback and fullback. Problem has been worked on. Hopefully Hutch and Taaffe do better But, but, but Burton… I blame Burto for Putin, ABBA, me getting old, the mysterious disappearance of Villi etc.... Last I heard from Villi he posted something negative about Burto, hmmmmmm No no no no no no.... I'm not Villi.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn saying that I’m annoyed as much as anybody that Burto isn’t setting up his outside men and demanding the ball enough. But he will learn more this year and by years end will have more line break and/or try assists than any other player in the comp. Those figures are badly distorted. Burton looks like having high try assists coz he has been the main focal point of our attack. Don't be surprised if his figures drop this year as we have other players who can create things. Compare it to Eels or Panthers etc who share their try assists between Moses, Brown, Gutho or Cleary, Luai, Edwards etc. Having Flanno and Perham last year meant all our creative plays were mainly involving Burton. There’s no figures there… Maybe his stats go up this year cos we have players who can finish things instead of balls it up… Id reckon Burtos job was likely more difficult last year as the D only had one bloke on which to focus… He also played behind a badly beaten pack each week unlike the players you mention… Could go either way. The main goal would be to increase our try assists collectively (which would mean more points scored and ultimately more wins), rather than have 1 guy at the top of the NRL stat tree but playing in a bottom 4 ladder club..... Again the bias. And again the stupidity.
Penrith try assists. Nathan Cleary = 20
Critra = 15
Luai = 13
Tago = 8
What are you doing here? You're just reinforcing my post. You said Penrith share the try assists around between Cleary, Luai and Edwards. Clearly that isn’t the case. How isn't it? You brought up the figures yourself. Couldn't have reinforced my post any better. I bet you can bring up Eels and Souths and Broncos and have a similar conclusion. Your stats on Warriors was interesting but at the same time unsurprising. SJ was nearly Dally M player and it needed him to have one of the highest try assists to get them to play finals. I don't like that game strategy as it's too cut-throat. It's no coincidence most top 4 teams share this stat. Edwards had six try assists. Not even in the top fifty. Why look at South’s, they missed the eight.
Look at NRL stats. Look at top eight teams. And spine players being clearly your most important players. You might get the point that not every team shares try assists evenly in the spine or in the team in general. And those teams still come close to or win the comp. It doesn't necessarily need to be spine players -but it's more likely. And it doesn't matter if they made the top 8 or not. You'll probably find Eels and Souths make top 4 this season with very little change from last year (just won't lose as many early season games). The point is, teams that rely on a single player as their focal point, have the odds stacked against them to play finals. That player must be a Barba, Hayne or Turbo or A Johns to get them in. And while it might happen once or twice in a decade, chances are it won't. We have the talent in this roster to share this stat so hopefully 24 is the beginning of changing our gameplan and attack. We never intended to have Burto as a single focal point. Last season Flanno and Perham were not effective. We lost the forwards battle and out of the forwards left on deck none of them were ball players. It's a good point. Flanno had 0 try assists at halfback and Perham had 4 at fullback. That is outrageously low. Contrast with say Parra, who didn't have a great year. Between Moses and Gutho they had 29. I'd say most teams with settled spines would be sitting around that 30 TA mark between their halfback and fullback. Yep, that was a black mark on CC more than anything. He should have acted on the Perham mistake far earlier. Averillo may not have produced many more TA but he scored plenty of individual tries and would have had more if he was FB earlier. As for HB.... I think we were shot before the season started. Gus should have gone harder for a Mitch Moses. Especially if he knew we weren't going to retain our expensive forwards beyond 23 Grooooooooaaaaaaannnn… now with the CCDS… Avo will be lucky to make the Dolphins 17 this year without injuries, unless they play him on the bench as cover for injury… how can you say he would definitely would have scored more tries at FB???… you speak in absolutes… and sadly it’s mostly absolute shite… Mutch Misses was going nowhere… nowhere… nowhere… nowhere… nowhere… unless it was for 5 year cap destroying money (which funnily enough the most incompetent management in the NRLol entertained)… and would’ve added nothing to our side last year cos he’s a fiat track bully…and there were no flat tracks for our backs last year… and apparently not enough for Parra either…
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Nobody wants to hear it or believe it but it’s going to be another tough year. But things will improve.
Gus has said numerous times how tough the player market is. Unlike in years gone by we weren’t able to buy a top line experienced halfback like Stuart or Kimmorley. We weren’t able to buy a rep middle like Clyde or Hannant. So we have had to work with what was available.
Gus has also said numerous times we need to become a development club. Nurture our junior base and recruit the best prospects. We have done this well and will most likely see some results this year and next.
But. The club is a long way off. We may come close to finals with some luck. But until our juniors become first graders we probably wont challenge the top teams. But at least there is hope. .
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+xNobody wants to hear it or believe it but it’s going to be another tough year. But things will improve.
Gus has said numerous times how tough the player market is. Unlike in years gone by we weren’t able to buy a top line experienced halfback like Stuart or Kimmorley. We weren’t able to buy a rep middle like Clyde or Hannant. So we have had to work with what was available.
Gus has also said numerous times we need to become a development club. Nurture our junior base and recruit the best prospects. We have done this well and will most likely see some results this year and next.
But. The club is a long way off. We may come close to finals with some luck. But until our juniors become first graders we probably wont challenge the top teams. But at least there is hope. . In sport there is no proven formula for instant success. Mase mentioned yesterday how Hutch gets back and takes tackle 2 hitups. Hutch also does a lot of good work in defence. He plays like an extra forward at times and also gets very involved in the attack. Salmon also adds a lot in attack and defence. Dmannns Mannnnn Mannnnn also looked good, I think his footwork will trouble tired middles. We are being innovative and unconventional because we need to be. Fitz mentioned the slippery conditions on Friday, and the good work in defence from both sides. Mase mentioned that defence was our off season priority and it needed to be. Fitz and Mase are pretty much seeing what I am seeing. The club is doing the best that it could with the players we could get. Hughes was extended and he impressed me immediately the first time I saw him play. If you want to look for negatives there are plenty, but success is the hard grind of turning negatives into positives. I wouldn’t like to be a highly fancied side playing our team. We are underrated, if they win, or even win well, they will get little credit. They now need to work hard to beat us and it will be a physical contest. If we stay in touch or edge ahead, we might grind out an "upset" win. When I became a Dogs fan the worst days had passed, but it still took 8 years to win the premiership. When we got one, we got a few more.
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Gus also mentioned that none of the 2021 playing squad are still playing for the club.
None of the coaching and conditioning staff are involved.
In other words when he arrived at the club it was a knock down rebuild.
It took a while just to complete the knock down and clean up.
Now we have the foundations and the walls up, the house is taking shape.
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Lucky someone from Intuitive Machines found some of that gold foil laying around in NASAs basement…
I assume they had navigational issues cos they had to avoid hitting a Tesla…
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+xLucky someone from Intuitive Machines found some of that gold foil laying around in NASAs basement… I assume they had navigational issues cos they had to avoid hitting a Tesla… The Tesla Roaster is guiding the Darleks back to earth, only 10,000 consecutive Dogs premierships can save humanity. Your choice Parra and Roosters fans.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn saying that I’m annoyed as much as anybody that Burto isn’t setting up his outside men and demanding the ball enough. But he will learn more this year and by years end will have more line break and/or try assists than any other player in the comp. Those figures are badly distorted. Burton looks like having high try assists coz he has been the main focal point of our attack. Don't be surprised if his figures drop this year as we have other players who can create things. Compare it to Eels or Panthers etc who share their try assists between Moses, Brown, Gutho or Cleary, Luai, Edwards etc. Having Flanno and Perham last year meant all our creative plays were mainly involving Burton. There’s no figures there… Maybe his stats go up this year cos we have players who can finish things instead of balls it up… Id reckon Burtos job was likely more difficult last year as the D only had one bloke on which to focus… He also played behind a badly beaten pack each week unlike the players you mention… Could go either way. The main goal would be to increase our try assists collectively (which would mean more points scored and ultimately more wins), rather than have 1 guy at the top of the NRL stat tree but playing in a bottom 4 ladder club..... Again the bias. And again the stupidity.
Penrith try assists. Nathan Cleary = 20
Critra = 15
Luai = 13
Tago = 8
What are you doing here? You're just reinforcing my post. You said Penrith share the try assists around between Cleary, Luai and Edwards. Clearly that isn’t the case. How isn't it? You brought up the figures yourself. Couldn't have reinforced my post any better. I bet you can bring up Eels and Souths and Broncos and have a similar conclusion. Your stats on Warriors was interesting but at the same time unsurprising. SJ was nearly Dally M player and it needed him to have one of the highest try assists to get them to play finals. I don't like that game strategy as it's too cut-throat. It's no coincidence most top 4 teams share this stat. Edwards had six try assists. Not even in the top fifty. Why look at South’s, they missed the eight.
Look at NRL stats. Look at top eight teams. And spine players being clearly your most important players. You might get the point that not every team shares try assists evenly in the spine or in the team in general. And those teams still come close to or win the comp. It doesn't necessarily need to be spine players -but it's more likely. And it doesn't matter if they made the top 8 or not. You'll probably find Eels and Souths make top 4 this season with very little change from last year (just won't lose as many early season games). The point is, teams that rely on a single player as their focal point, have the odds stacked against them to play finals. That player must be a Barba, Hayne or Turbo or A Johns to get them in. And while it might happen once or twice in a decade, chances are it won't. We have the talent in this roster to share this stat so hopefully 24 is the beginning of changing our gameplan and attack. We never intended to have Burto as a single focal point. Last season Flanno and Perham were not effective. We lost the forwards battle and out of the forwards left on deck none of them were ball players. It's a good point. Flanno had 0 try assists at halfback and Perham had 4 at fullback. That is outrageously low. Contrast with say Parra, who didn't have a great year. Between Moses and Gutho they had 29. I'd say most teams with settled spines would be sitting around that 30 TA mark between their halfback and fullback. Yep, that was a black mark on CC more than anything. He should have acted on the Perham mistake far earlier. Averillo may not have produced many more TA but he scored plenty of individual tries and would have had more if he was FB earlier. As for HB.... I think we were shot before the season started. Gus should have gone harder for a Mitch Moses. Especially if he knew we weren't going to retain our expensive forwards beyond 23 Grooooooooaaaaaaannnn… now with the CCDS… Avo will be lucky to make the Dolphins 17 this year without injuries, unless they play him on the bench as cover for injury… how can you say he would definitely would have scored more tries at FB???… you speak in absolutes… and sadly it’s mostly absolute shite… Mutch Misses was going nowhere… nowhere… nowhere… nowhere… nowhere… unless it was for 5 year cap destroying money (which funnily enough the most incompetent management in the NRLol entertained)… and would’ve added nothing to our side last year cos he’s a fiat track bully…and there were no flat tracks for our backs last year… and apparently not enough for Parra either… What Avo does at Dolphins is not the issue here. CC had him in the squad last year and was top scorer (or close to it) for 2 seasons including one season at FB the previous year. He flogged the Perham horse for way too long. Hope it's axlessin learnt. As for Moses, you are obsessed with his marquee money. Well let me tell you..... I doubt Parra fans will get to the end of next 5 years and whinge about his pay packet. He's a marquee halfback that is paid marquee money. Nothing shameful about that. At least they have their ducks in order. What they complain about however is not winning a premiership (if it doesn't happen). But that will hardly be Moses's fault alone, unless they are in a tight GF game and he can't get them over the line. My point is, that CC rolled the dice with Perham and backed him to the hilt, meanwhile Gus has backed his instincts on Burton and backed him to the hilt. That's fine, but it will be their heads on the chopping block if it doesn't work out.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn saying that I’m annoyed as much as anybody that Burto isn’t setting up his outside men and demanding the ball enough. But he will learn more this year and by years end will have more line break and/or try assists than any other player in the comp. Those figures are badly distorted. Burton looks like having high try assists coz he has been the main focal point of our attack. Don't be surprised if his figures drop this year as we have other players who can create things. Compare it to Eels or Panthers etc who share their try assists between Moses, Brown, Gutho or Cleary, Luai, Edwards etc. Having Flanno and Perham last year meant all our creative plays were mainly involving Burton. There’s no figures there… Maybe his stats go up this year cos we have players who can finish things instead of balls it up… Id reckon Burtos job was likely more difficult last year as the D only had one bloke on which to focus… He also played behind a badly beaten pack each week unlike the players you mention… Could go either way. The main goal would be to increase our try assists collectively (which would mean more points scored and ultimately more wins), rather than have 1 guy at the top of the NRL stat tree but playing in a bottom 4 ladder club..... Again the bias. And again the stupidity.
Penrith try assists. Nathan Cleary = 20
Critra = 15
Luai = 13
Tago = 8
What are you doing here? You're just reinforcing my post. You said Penrith share the try assists around between Cleary, Luai and Edwards. Clearly that isn’t the case. How isn't it? You brought up the figures yourself. Couldn't have reinforced my post any better. I bet you can bring up Eels and Souths and Broncos and have a similar conclusion. Your stats on Warriors was interesting but at the same time unsurprising. SJ was nearly Dally M player and it needed him to have one of the highest try assists to get them to play finals. I don't like that game strategy as it's too cut-throat. It's no coincidence most top 4 teams share this stat. Edwards had six try assists. Not even in the top fifty. Why look at South’s, they missed the eight.
Look at NRL stats. Look at top eight teams. And spine players being clearly your most important players. You might get the point that not every team shares try assists evenly in the spine or in the team in general. And those teams still come close to or win the comp. It doesn't necessarily need to be spine players -but it's more likely. And it doesn't matter if they made the top 8 or not. You'll probably find Eels and Souths make top 4 this season with very little change from last year (just won't lose as many early season games). The point is, teams that rely on a single player as their focal point, have the odds stacked against them to play finals. That player must be a Barba, Hayne or Turbo or A Johns to get them in. And while it might happen once or twice in a decade, chances are it won't. We have the talent in this roster to share this stat so hopefully 24 is the beginning of changing our gameplan and attack. We never intended to have Burto as a single focal point. Last season Flanno and Perham were not effective. We lost the forwards battle and out of the forwards left on deck none of them were ball players. It's a good point. Flanno had 0 try assists at halfback and Perham had 4 at fullback. That is outrageously low. Contrast with say Parra, who didn't have a great year. Between Moses and Gutho they had 29. I'd say most teams with settled spines would be sitting around that 30 TA mark between their halfback and fullback. Yep, that was a black mark on CC more than anything. He should have acted on the Perham mistake far earlier. Averillo may not have produced many more TA but he scored plenty of individual tries and would have had more if he was FB earlier. As for HB.... I think we were shot before the season started. Gus should have gone harder for a Mitch Moses. Especially if he knew we weren't going to retain our expensive forwards beyond 23 Grooooooooaaaaaaannnn… now with the CCDS… Avo will be lucky to make the Dolphins 17 this year without injuries, unless they play him on the bench as cover for injury… how can you say he would definitely would have scored more tries at FB???… you speak in absolutes… and sadly it’s mostly absolute shite… Mutch Misses was going nowhere… nowhere… nowhere… nowhere… nowhere… unless it was for 5 year cap destroying money (which funnily enough the most incompetent management in the NRLol entertained)… and would’ve added nothing to our side last year cos he’s a fiat track bully…and there were no flat tracks for our backs last year… and apparently not enough for Parra either… What Avo does at Dolphins is not the issue here. CC had him in the squad last year and was top scorer (or close to it) for 2 seasons including one season at FB the previous year. He flogged the Perham horse for way too long. Hope it's axlessin learnt. As for Moses, you are obsessed with his marquee money. Well let me tell you..... I doubt Parra fans will get to the end of next 5 years and whinge about his pay packet. He's a marquee halfback that is paid marquee money. Nothing shameful about that. At least they have their ducks in order. What they complain about however is not winning a premiership (if it doesn't happen). But that will hardly be Moses's fault alone, unless they are in a tight GF game and he can't get them over the line. My point is, that CC rolled the dice with Perham and backed him to the hilt, meanwhile Gus has backed his instincts on Burton and backed him to the hilt. That's fine, but it will be their heads on the chopping block if it doesn't work out. The point is you have BDS… CCDS… and looking more likely every day about to suffer GUSDS…
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hounddog
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I think CC thought Perham was more vocal than Avo and would do a better job of organising the defence.
But the defence was also crap with Perham at FB.
The really weird part of the season was when we shifted Perham back to FB at the backed of the season.
I think that we were mostly using 2023 to prepare for 2024 at that stage.
Perham would probably be an OK, NRL centre, winger or even backrower, not the fastest but probably fast enough for those positions.
The fact that he didn't feature in the NRL trials shows that young Clark and Samrini are probably ahead of him.
Still if we copped a few injuries and needed a fill in with experience, he isn't too bad. Probably next stop UK for him.
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I doubt that Gus and CC will have their heads on a chopping block anytime soon.
Most of the members and fans know what rebuilding is like,
But it was smart to showcase the talented young pups in the NRL trial and give fans hope for the future, and it was good experience for the kids.
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