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Quicky - 19 Apr 2024 1:15 PM
Do we need to can Vidmar? 

Most definitely.... questionable in-game tactics, and very poor handling of the Irankunda non selection/selection. Our ridiculous lack of cutting edge in the final third makes you wonder what the hell they do in the lead up to the tournament  
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Quicky - 19 Apr 2024 1:15 PM
Do we need to can Vidmar? 

Yes. Our coach has no senior experience and we have chosen a much less experienced cosch than our rivals
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Quicky - 19 Apr 2024 1:14 PM
It's a huge shame because this group has so much promise. 

They say this about every group that comes through. Literally every group. They said it about Kristian Sarkies. They said it about Kerem Bulut. They said it about Bruce Djite. You know what..

THIS GROUP SUCKS

They couldn't even beat Indonesia. Maybe one or two will make it in Europe. Less than half will make 25+ appearances in the A league. The rest are total write offs. There isn't a single player among this group who has the potential to play EPL, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga or Ligue 1. 



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LFC. - 19 Apr 2024 12:52 PM
roosty - 19 Apr 2024 10:21 AM

here here.......
this result and group placing is a slap on those saying our next Olyroos way above current  sub standed Roos let alone so well coached through the current system here no matter who is missing as per a list posted further above and Vidmar as gaffa.
Don't care that Indo run around like a pack of scared sheep fact is they won full stop period and our promising Youth 1point from 2 games.
Failed to score over 3hrs of game time.
Real shame - I was being convinced by posters here for sometime.
I dislike being like this for I CARE about our NT's and the game here.
We keep getting slaps on the face no matter what where when.


Unfortunately this group is as good as we will get as we cant select euro players (a bunch are unavailable)

Even if we produce better youth that just means more players unavailable as they have gone to europe. This is the first team to be a team where everyone is above average in the a league (though id argue you could choose a better squad from a league players).

The only growth area is the coaching or for the a league salaries to rise to retain better players. The former seems more fixable than the latter
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roosty - 19 Apr 2024 3:55 PM
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They say this about every group that comes through. Literally every group. They said it about Kristian Sarkies. They said it about Kerem Bulut. They said it about Bruce Djite. You know what..

THIS GROUP SUCKS

They couldn't even beat Indonesia. Maybe one or two will make it in Europe. Less than half will make 25+ appearances in the A league. The rest are total write offs. There isn't a single player among this group who has the potential to play EPL, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga or Ligue 1. 



Hmm the trolls are out

Our 2000 olympics squad was our best ever and even had our euroroos yet lost all three games including to hondurus. Results at this level arent predictive of a players career. But they do need to get results
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grazorblade - 19 Apr 2024 4:11 PM
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Unfortunately this group is as good as we will get as we cant select euro players (a bunch are unavailable)

Even if we produce better youth that just means more players unavailable as they have gone to europe. This is the first team to be a team where everyone is above average in the a league (though id argue you could choose a better squad from a league players).

The only growth area is the coaching or for the a league salaries to rise to retain better players. The former seems more fixable than the latter

Sure, lets get another cohort of foreign specialists in to convince us that we have to coach ONE NATIONAL METHODOLOGY across all of football in this country. We don't need coaches, just middle management types that can afford to get their *cough * cough coaching drivers licenses and then spout garbage... Let other nations revolutionise football through pushing the boundaries and trial and error and sporting competitiveness... we need more "milieu" 

Good farkin grief. 
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Monoethnic Social Club - 19 Apr 2024 4:19 PM
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Sure, lets get another cohort of foreign specialists in to convince us that we have to coach ONE NATIONAL METHODOLOGY across all of football in this country. We don't need coaches, just middle management types that can afford to get their *cough * cough coaching drivers licenses and then spout garbage... Let other nations revolutionise football through pushing the boundaries and trial and error and sporting competitiveness... we need more "milieu" 

Good farkin grief. 

The coaching in theory is good if u have senior management experience. Unlike our rivals, vidmar only has assistant experience. He looked like a world beater in friendlies but couldnt do it when when it counted. It reminded me of the 90s socceroos. When we had a manager with senior experience the last 2 times we finished top four both times, despite having a weaker squad. 

The difference between a friendly and a real match is you have to mentally prep players, handle journalists, deal with an opponent who cares, watch for players seeking to draw fouls (doesnt happen much in friendlies) concede professional fouls (rare in friendlies). You also have to deal with breaks in concentration due to time wasting and prep well for set pieces  as early tournaments are cagey - all the goals up to and including our game were set pieces. If we prepped better for set pieces we are on 4 points because we score our pen and someone isnt unmarked in the box when we concede. 4 points and a positive goal difference would be our best performance to this date i believe since u23s is harder than seniors for us. We have less than 1 point per game in this competition and have a net negative goal difference.

Can i ask u what u have against the national curriculum? Have u read it? I can send a link. 

I wish the national curriculum was around when i learnt the game in the mid 90s! Let me run u through a typical day of youth training growing up.
1) Turn up and do about half an hour of intense fitness without a ball
2) line up in 2 lines. One player would try and dribble past the other while the other tries to defend. Players would go one at a time
3) juggling practice
4) penalties practice
5) short game of xi v xi using the team from the next field.

The national curriculum
1) replaces fitness with activities that build fitness with a ball at ur feet 
2) it limits isolated excersizes like dribbling around cones, having more game based excersizes where u have to execute technique in a game situatiom. The second excersize I listed above actually does this well, the problem is that most of the players are just standing around. Which brings me to the third point
3) the ntc also maxes the number of touches per session. 
In the ntc there are practice sessions at all age levels. I use a lot of them to train my kids at home, despite being in england where youth development is good. It compares quite favourably imo

Surely our problem is not a national curriculum but
1) throwing out the youth infrastructure of the nsl, underfunding the ais while taking a decade to bring about a league academies (these are first academy graduates in our history, but the cream are already overseas and unavailable). Craig foster once said at the time we were the only league in the world with no connection to youth development
2) having only 7-11 pro teams in our history that has no connection to lower divisions
3) lack of dts and p and r makes little incentive for lower clubs to develop players
4) taking 2 decades to make a nst when u have nsl clubs that have demonstrated they are strong enough to be in a semi pro national division and can survive perpetual relegation
5) the a league has struggled to grow because the break even stadium attendance would require us to have crowds that are way bigger than any league with a similar wage budget. I did a thread a while ago showing we already punch above our weight with crowds above 8k average. This means our wage budget stagnates at below league 1 level and there has been zero pressure on clubs to build infrastructure
6) our season is too short.

Imo all of this is because, contra the crawford report, we did not separate the a league from the fa. So yes there is a lot to be frustrated and angry about, but i feel like the coaching improvement is the best thing the fa did during the 15 years before the split. Its possible south melbourne always had good youth training, but for 99.99 percent of clubs implementing the ntc it is a vast improvement on what came before. Getting angry at the coaching improvement is like kicking ur kids because ur wife is cheating on u



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grazorblade - 19 Apr 2024 5:23 PM
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The coaching in theory is good if u have senior management experience. Unlike our rivals, vidmar only has assistant experience. He looked like a world beater in friendlies but couldnt do it when when it counted. It reminded me of the 90s socceroos. When we had a manager with senior experience the last 2 times we finished top four both times, despite having a weaker squad. 

The difference between a friendly and a real match is you have to mentally prep players, handle journalists, deal with an opponent who cares, watch for players seeking to draw fouls (doesnt happen much in friendlies) concede professional fouls (rare in friendlies). You also have to deal with breaks in concentration due to time wasting and prep well for set pieces  as early tournaments are cagey - all the goals up to and including our game were set pieces. If we prepped better for set pieces we are on 4 points because we score our pen and someone isnt unmarked in the box when we concede. 4 points and a positive goal difference would be our best performance to this date i believe since u23s is harder than seniors for us. We have less than 1 point per game in this competition and have a net negative goal difference.

Can i ask u what u have against the national curriculum? Have u read it? I can send a link. 

I wish the national curriculum was around when i learnt the game in the mid 90s! Let me run u through a typical day of youth training growing up.
1) Turn up and do about half an hour of intense fitness without a ball
2) line up in 2 lines. One player would try and dribble past the other while the other tries to defend. Players would go one at a time
3) juggling practice
4) penalties practice
5) short game of xi v xi using the team from the next field.

The national curriculum
1) replaces fitness with activities that build fitness with a ball at ur feet 
2) it limits isolated excersizes like dribbling around cones, having more game based excersizes where u have to execute technique in a game situatiom. The second excersize I listed above actually does this well, the problem is that most of the players are just standing around. Which brings me to the third point
3) the ntc also maxes the number of touches per session. 
In the ntc there are practice sessions at all age levels. I use a lot of them to train my kids at home, despite being in england where youth development is good. It compares quite favourably imo

Surely our problem is not a national curriculum but
1) throwing out the youth infrastructure of the nsl, underfunding the ais while taking a decade to bring about a league academies (these are first academy graduates in our history, but the cream are already overseas and unavailable). Craig foster once said at the time we were the only league in the world with no connection to youth development
2) having only 7-11 pro teams in our history that has no connection to lower divisions
3) lack of dts and p and r makes little incentive for lower clubs to develop players
4) taking 2 decades to make a nst when u have nsl clubs that have demonstrated they are strong enough to be in a semi pro national division and can survive perpetual relegation
5) the a league has struggled to grow because the break even stadium attendance would require us to have crowds that are way bigger than any league with a similar wage budget. I did a thread a while ago showing we already punch above our weight with crowds above 8k average. This means our wage budget stagnates at below league 1 level and there has been zero pressure on clubs to build infrastructure
6) our season is too short.

Imo all of this is because, contra the crawford report, we did not separate the a league from the fa. So yes there is a lot to be frustrated and angry about, but i feel like the coaching improvement is the best thing the fa did during the 15 years before the split. Its possible south melbourne always had good youth training, but for 99.99 percent of clubs implementing the ntc it is a vast improvement on what came before. Getting angry at the coaching improvement is like kicking ur kids because ur wife is cheating on u


Hahaha what a fantastic analogy... great line and really struck a nerve... I guess my anger at the NC (and yes I have read it ) is probably a little illogical.. The document per se, is an excellent recommendation and fairly OK coaching guide... What I really dislike is the thinking behind its implementation.  I dont agree that coaching has improved, only that it has become, stylistically more consistent... What Im trying to say is when you watch EPL (yes yes I know probably the most obv example) you can tell the team by they way their manager plays... When watching Aleague, NPL or Australia's national teams its like there is some sort of weird generic placeholder instead of a manager.....  Sure some slight tweaks on press, how high the line is etc but overall shit... its pretty generic.

I really dont agree that a NATIONAL METHOD of playing football (especially at club level) is helpful to anything... Yes it could greatly benefit the national teams structures to have juniors, joeys, U23s and Seniors all playing under one guiding "principle" but what made the nurseries of the past and the AIS great was the combined knowledge of lots of different styles of playing... Thats what the most successful nations (at least in my perception) do to thrive... Italy hasn't played Catanaccio in decades, Brizil isnt 1950s jinga any more and when was the last time Spain did Tiki Taka???

Your question is a brilliant one, well thought out and something i would love  to debate with you, sorry Im a little pushed for time and have to run...

Ill concede the point though my anger towards the NC is misdirected :)

Have a good weekend.


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Monoethnic Social Club - 19 Apr 2024 5:44 PM
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Hahaha what a fantastic analogy... great line and really struck a nerve... I guess my anger at the NC (and yes I have read it ) is probably a little illogical.. The document per se, is an excellent recommendation and fairly OK coaching guide... What I really dislike is the thinking behind its implementation.  I dont agree that coaching has improved, only that it has become, stylistically more consistent... What Im trying to say is when you watch EPL (yes yes I know probably the most obv example) you can tell the team by they way their manager plays... When watching Aleague, NPL or Australia's national teams its like there is some sort of weird generic placeholder instead of a manager.....  Sure some slight tweaks on press, how high the line is etc but overall shit... its pretty generic.

I really dont agree that a NATIONAL METHOD of playing football (especially at club level) is helpful to anything... Yes it could greatly benefit the national teams structures to have juniors, joeys, U23s and Seniors all playing under one guiding "principle" but what made the nurseries of the past and the AIS great was the combined knowledge of lots of different styles of playing... Thats what the most successful nations (at least in my perception) do to thrive... Italy hasn't played Catanaccio in decades, Brizil isnt 1950s jinga any more and when was the last time Spain did Tiki Taka???

Your question is a brilliant one, well thought out and something i would love  to debate with you, sorry Im a little pushed for time and have to run...

Ill concede the point though my anger towards the NC is misdirected :)

Have a good weekend.


You too and thanks for engaging. Would be happy to have a friendly debate when u are less pressed for time. I suspect though one point of nuance is that there are three parts of coaching that should be evaluated separately

1) ages 5-13 which is all about technical development
2) ages 14-17 where we do indeed use 433 as a guide 
3) senior liscences 

I think 3 is more controversial with tradeoffs but im willing to defend it as a net positive and 1 is unambiguously good. Let me know the time for a friendly debate
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roosty - 19 Apr 2024 3:55 PM
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They say this about every group that comes through. Literally every group. They said it about Kristian Sarkies. They said it about Kerem Bulut. They said it about Bruce Djite. You know what..

THIS GROUP SUCKS

They couldn't even beat Indonesia. Maybe one or two will make it in Europe. Less than half will make 25+ appearances in the A league. The rest are total write offs. There isn't a single player among this group who has the potential to play EPL, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga or Ligue 1. 



Tbf this is a squad of predominately A league players wheras previously squads seemed to have more euro players available. And then even from this lot our 2 best are out (Tilio and Irakunda). Meanwhile I'd say the technical quality of our boys has improved a lot. Important not to be too reactionary about 1 bad result. We did dominate them after all and this is a greatly improved Indonesian team who have called up anyone and everyone with any indo heritage 
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Tbf this is a squad of predominately A league players wheras previously squads seemed to have more euro players available. And then even from this lot our 2 best are out (Tilio and Irakunda). Meanwhile I'd say the technical quality of our boys has improved a lot. Important not to be too reactionary about 1 bad result. We did dominate them after all and this is a greatly improved Indonesian team who have called up anyone and everyone with any indo heritage 

yeah indonesia had 10 senior players and some nationalized dutch and belgium players. Technically they were quite good (despite one poster saying otherwise)

results at this level aren't predictive of where the players will end up and there are roughly 70 players in this age group who are qualified to play at this level for us. The future looks brighter but the present hurts. The olympics means a lot to aussies, so to almost certainly miss out with a good squad is very painful, even more so given the better quality players.  I'm definitely upset at us not hiring a coach with senior experience. We looked like world beater in friendlies then completely nervous and naive in matches that counts and I have to wonder if a manager that has never prepped a squad for a must win game was found out (given our opposition managers DO have this experience)
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yeah indonesia had 10 senior players and some nationalized dutch and belgium players. Technically they were quite good (despite one poster saying otherwise)

results at this level aren't predictive of where the players will end up and there are roughly 70 players in this age group who are qualified to play at this level for us. The future looks brighter but the present hurts. The olympics means a lot to aussies, so to almost certainly miss out with a good squad is very painful, even more so given the better quality players.  I'm definitely upset at us not hiring a coach with senior experience. We looked like world beater in friendlies then completely nervous and naive in matches that counts and I have to wonder if a manager that has never prepped a squad for a must win game was found out (given our opposition managers DO have this experience)

Yes agreed. The Olympics has also traditionally been important in helping springboard the careers of our players. Many of our guys got moves previously off the back of their performances at the Olympics. Which is why the decision not to take irakunda is ridiculous .. they are talking about the "bigger picture" but if we don't qualify this will aet back a lot of these guys careers. 
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roosty - 19 Apr 2024 3:55 PM
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Quicky - 19 Apr 2024 1:14 PM

They say this about every group that comes through. Literally every group. They said it about Kristian Sarkies. They said it about Kerem Bulut. They said it about Bruce Djite. You know what..

THIS GROUP SUCKS

They couldn't even beat Indonesia. Maybe one or two will make it in Europe. Less than half will make 25+ appearances in the A league. The rest are total write offs. There isn't a single player among this group who has the potential to play EPL, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga or Ligue 1. 



I disagree. The players who are coming through from the U16s to U23s are different. The technique from our underagers is something we've rarely seen in the NT. Outside of some outliers. This group was let down by poor coaching, poor preparation and an under strength squad.
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I think these performances have shown how much this selected squad will become a bunch of A League deadwood within a few years. It's their problem. It's a shame as they've done good things for the U23 and in the league.

They'll undoubtedly be frustrated. It was often hasty panicky play with the clock running down and poor decision making. I hope at least they leave it all out there against Qatar and then we'll see. 
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Quicky - 19 Apr 2024 6:50 PM
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I disagree. The players who are coming through from the U16s to U23s are different. The technique from our underagers is something we've rarely seen in the NT. Outside of some outliers. This group was let down by poor coaching, poor preparation and an under strength squad.

That's what calms me. The bunch who are injured or weren't picked are very good players and we'll see them in the national team for years to come. 
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johnszasz - 19 Apr 2024 6:53 PM
I think these performances have shown how much this selected squad will become a bunch of A League deadwood within a few years. It's their problem. It's a shame as they've done good things for the U23 and in the league.

They'll undoubtedly be frustrated. It was often hasty panicky play with the clock running down and poor decision making. I hope at least they leave it all out there against Qatar and then we'll see. 

Did u watch the olyroos in 2000? Its hard to predict trajectories from youth performances, even if this is an age group where im desperate for results since the olympics means a lot to me

I would expect most of these players are good enough to peak in the championship/eredivisie/belgium with toure, g kuol and farrell have a higher ceiling if they work hard enough. Most young oz players with a higher ceiling have already moved with exceptions of taylor, bennie, irankunda, jgr (weird that jcp is being selected over him), matthews, caputo, jovanovic, waddingham, yull,alagich, priestman, bernando, simmons and bovalina all players i think have a chance of making it at a much higher level
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Did u watch the olyroos in 2000? Its hard to predict trajectories from youth performances, even if this is an age group where im desperate for results since the olympics means a lot to me

I would expect most of these players are good enough to peak in the championship/eredivisie/belgium with toure, g kuol and farrell have a higher ceiling if they work hard enough. Most young oz players with a higher ceiling have already moved with exceptions of taylor, bennie, irankunda, jgr (weird that jcp is being selected over him), matthews, caputo, jovanovic, waddingham, yull,alagich, priestman, bernando, simmons and bovalina all players i think have a chance of making it at a much higher level

The opponents were good in 2000. Also being in September I wonder whether our players were concerned or focused on club stuff. Unlikely and they mostly grew into bigger and better players later on.

The Olympics are evidently more important for Australia to have their talent viewed. Most other nations don't need for that aspect due to all the continental games and academies that are constantly on. Everyone wants to win gold at the end of the day. It'll suck not taking part. 
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johnszasz - 19 Apr 2024 8:28 PM
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The opponents were good in 2000. Also being in September I wonder whether our players were concerned or focused on club stuff. Unlikely and they mostly grew into bigger and better players later on.

The Olympics are evidently more important for Australia to have their talent viewed. Most other nations don't need for that aspect due to all the continental games and academies that are constantly on. Everyone wants to win gold at the end of the day. It'll suck not taking part. 
Hondurus was pretty mediocre and an ordinary loss.
Missing out will suck indeed. I think we dont have to worry about this generation but it does hurt bad
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grazorblade - 19 Apr 2024 8:31 PM
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Hondurus was pretty mediocre and an ordinary loss.
Missing out will suck indeed. I think we dont have to worry about this generation but it does hurt bad

I'm pretty sure that game comes up straight away on YouTube. Interesting viewing. Honduras drew 3:3 with Nigeria while I still remember that Italy goal which was a dampener. I guess Nigeria at that age group was always going to be tough.

Tokyo was fun and after so many Olympic failures (I recall Amini and Donachie against UAE or something) it's nice to have a go.
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I'm pretty sure that game comes up straight away on YouTube. Interesting viewing. Honduras drew 3:3 with Nigeria while I still remember that Italy goal which was a dampener. I guess Nigeria at that age group was always going to be tough.

Tokyo was fun and after so many Olympic failures (I recall Amini and Donachie against UAE or something) it's nice to have a go.

We made a few youth world cups when we spent big on a coach. As soon as we stopped we struggled with local untested coaches (mostly vidmars and edwards)

I can live with that tbh, as much as those players at the youth world cups probably did have their careers aided by the experience and exposure it is money that could be spent better elsewhere. 

Olympics for me are different and we should at lewst have a coach with club experience
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Just seen the scenario, we pretty much need to win and rely on Jordan to win as well but also win by more than the Jordan win as goal difference would put us ahead of them.

Its doable but a tough scenario which could have been avoided in the first place, disappointing tournament so far.
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Japan and South Korea roll through their group and both qualify for the QF's
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Quicky - 19 Apr 2024 6:50 PM
roosty - 19 Apr 2024 3:55 PM

I disagree. The players who are coming through from the U16s to U23s are different. The technique from our underagers is something we've rarely seen in the NT. Outside of some outliers. This group was let down by poor coaching, poor preparation and an under strength squad.

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Barca4Life - 19 Apr 2024 10:36 PM
Just seen the scenario, we pretty much need to win and rely on Jordan to win as well but also win by more than the Jordan win as goal difference would put us ahead of them.

Its doable but a tough scenario which could have been avoided in the first place, disappointing tournament so far.

Hopefully Qatar will rest their main players. But the concern is where the goals will come from as we got absolutely no ideas to score.

Cut back 
Corner kick
Set pieces
Striker who can score
Combination play 
Wingers who can dribble and take one on one
Creative midfield with killer pass
Long ball 

All of the above are none exist in this Olymroos. 




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Barca4Life - 19 Apr 2024 10:36 PM

Hopefully Qatar will rest their main players. But the concern is where the goals will come from as we got absolutely no ideas to score.

Cut back 
Corner kick
Set pieces
Striker who can score
Combination play 
Wingers who can dribble and take one on one
Creative midfield with killer pass
Long ball 

All of the above are none exist in this Olymroos. 




One of the biggest weaknesses going on at the moment at all levels with Australian teams including the women's game is our poor inability to be effective against low block defences, when teams open up its easier but we really struggle when we have the ball not sure why is is but either way it faces questions in how we develop our players and coaches too.

This problem will not go away if its not being addressed properly but im not confident with the people running the game and will use as a smoke screen for other reasons to suit their narrative i.e we need a home of football...
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One of the biggest weaknesses going on at the moment at all levels with Australian teams including the women's game is our poor inability to be effective against low block defences, when teams open up its easier but we really struggle when we have the ball not sure why is is but either way it faces questions in how we develop our players and coaches too.

This problem will not go away if its not being addressed properly but im not confident with the people running the game and will use as a smoke screen for other reasons to suit their narrative i.e we need a home of football...

And no doubt other nations know this and use it to their advantage when they play Aussie teams
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roosty - 19 Apr 2024 3:55 PM

Tbf this is a squad of predominately A league players wheras previously squads seemed to have more euro players available. And then even from this lot our 2 best are out (Tilio and Irakunda). Meanwhile I'd say the technical quality of our boys has improved a lot. Important not to be too reactionary about 1 bad result. We did dominate them after all and this is a greatly improved Indonesian team who have called up anyone and everyone with any indo heritage 

I agree. Our 2020 team played defensive arnie ball, while this team actually tried playing attacking football. These results commonly happen at this level. Let's not forget we struggled against this team when we played our seniors and the 4-0 scoreline was flattering. 
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mark_000au - 20 Apr 2024 10:32 AM

One of the biggest weaknesses going on at the moment at all levels with Australian teams including the women's game is our poor inability to be effective against low block defences, when teams open up its easier but we really struggle when we have the ball not sure why is is but either way it faces questions in how we develop our players and coaches too.

This problem will not go away if its not being addressed properly but im not confident with the people running the game and will use as a smoke screen for other reasons to suit their narrative i.e we need a home of football...

To defeat a low block you need lots of guys who are good at 1v1 dribbling. Tottenham is struggling against low blocks right now as they only really have Kula who is decent at this. We need to produce guys like Doku, Hazard, Neymar etc

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Pasquali - 20 Apr 2024 12:23 PM
Barca4Life - 20 Apr 2024 12:10 PM

To defeat a low block you need lots of guys who are good at 1v1 dribbling. Tottenham is struggling against low blocks right now as they only really have Kula who is decent at this. We need to produce guys like Doku, Hazard, Neymar etc

That is one possible way but you need to be flexible in how you play, good movement off the ball, finding the free player, attacking the space etc.

For all of your Neymar's, Hazard's you also need your De Bruyne's, Modric's too.
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