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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLyLFVhUqXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJUnrZAXjIM

Some interesting tidbits that stood out to me

1) some npl clubs ban academy players (that's wild!)
2) Ernie Merrick is introducing an additional 3 academies for the 14-18 age group
3) Boz is complimentary of the 9-14 coaching 
4) Some old heads who were youth coaching in 90s in the ais being brough back into positions of influence

lots of complaints about state federations being a bad thing without giving specifics
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grazorblade - 7 May 2024 6:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLyLFVhUqXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJUnrZAXjIM

Some interesting tidbits that stood out to me


4) Some old heads who were youth coaching in 90s in the ais being brough back into positions of influence



This is cause for concern.

Real cause for concern.



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Decentric 2 - 7 May 2024 10:21 PM
grazorblade - 7 May 2024 6:50 PM

This is cause for concern.

Real cause for concern.



the name was ron bahn or something

do you recognize the name?
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There is 
No connect top to bottom - Bozza
survey of 40+ academy parents he attends for his son 95% don’t follow AL no connect - Bozza

FA only high five boast/boost Roos/Tildas sure that’s great but
Where do all these players come from - grass roots - there is no recognition of the below - both Bozza Slater 
No recognition of NPL or grass roots Clubs 
There no merit anywhere re the below.
We are the people who fund the games future players from grass roots ! 
It’s all TOP heavy 
Disrupter is wrong term 

Coaching - it’s not about the Dutch system, Merrick has tried to instill changes with resistance, he wants to encourage attacking football and let players be themselves, surprisingly mentioned Ange play, not sure I entirely agree on his methods but I do support on changing a bit of our robot style of methods.
Let outliers play their normal game within reason, encourage spontanious reactions.

Bozza says start a Football party to start pushing the cause of more funding State by State Council by Council, has some merit tbh for no one is listenning to this day - D2 is a local pollie I think ?  Here’s your opportunity to start the motion :)

Thanks for the links Graz, I was keen to see these look forward to the next.
I shake my head at people who have kept knocking Slater and Bozza over the years.
I like hearing their pov.
They know whats screwed up in our system like us minions might I say, they even quoted why haven't we got more and more of our GG working in our system/s and pressure the FA, he and Bozza are right, they prefer being in EU for football is no1 and the associations etc work for the game, whereas here its crickets day in day out, Ange said FU to the NT having been drained mentally, HK is kicking goals finally coaching, arse Muscat kicking goals not breaking legs offshore, Bres even though a short tenure here is you know where as is Grella.
Yet many here bag the ol guys ffs.
Read between the lines.
As Slater says and as in the past, board members etc are not listenning (enough).



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Part 3 out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7A-wmF7GD4
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thanks mate,

The GLOBAL STANDARD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So the points from this one I hear.

unrest pre covid as we know, sugar daddys wanted to take control so unrest years prior, take over therefore its been sum 6/7yrs of troubles that again works against the game because the suits fight and keep screwing up incl the last 3yrs..
Trashcan/Hearne + have alot to answer for but water under the bridge get their $$$'s and run ! in the meantime your APL league is going down like the Titanic.
APL being privately owned will refuse to let out the facts let alone a Audit where has 140M gone (keepup 50M we know) that should have gone mostly to the game instead of lining their pockets/wages/trips to WC etcetcetc
Big 4 Clubs have alot to answer for as well, SFC/WSW/MC/MV who lets call them the bigger sugar daddys of the APL clubs have taken the/their game/league down the rabbit hole.
Massive damage to the game Bozza/Slater address and they bloody well care......
Jets a huge piece of the puzzle to keep afloat - otherwise your an absolute fucker running this league and losing that important catchment therefore the game.
Bozza, ALIGN THE GAME.
WTF in summer, players he's asked, what do you prefer, playing in the heat or in winter on sub standard pitchs, sub standard winter pitch's please.
APL obviously declined to speak with Peacock, for they care about our game so much they are too busy.



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LFC. - 8 May 2024 4:20 PM
thanks mate,

The GLOBAL STANDARD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So the points from this one I hear.

unrest pre covid as we know, sugar daddys wanted to take control so unrest years prior, take over therefore its been sum 6/7yrs of troubles that again works against the game because the suits fight and keep screwing up incl the last 3yrs..
Trashcan/Hearne + have alot to answer for but water under the bridge get their $$$'s and run ! in the meantime your APL league is going down like the Titanic.
APL being privately owned will refuse to let out the facts let alone a Audit where has 140M gone (keepup 50M we know) that should have gone mostly to the game instead of lining their pockets/wages/trips to WC etcetcetc
Big 4 Clubs have alot to answer for as well, SFC/WSW/MC/MV who lets call them the bigger sugar daddys of the APL clubs have taken the/their game/league down the rabbit hole.
Massive damage to the game Bozza/Slater address and they bloody well care......
Jets a huge piece of the puzzle to keep afloat - otherwise your an absolute fucker running this league and losing that important catchment therefore the game.
Bozza, ALIGN THE GAME.
WTF in summer, players he's asked, what do you prefer, playing in the heat or in winter on sub standard pitchs, sub standard winter pitch's please.
APL obviously declined to speak with Peacock, for they care about our game so much they are too busy.



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Dont forget all the "jobs for the boys" Danny T arranged mate :)  Slater actually DOES come accross as giving a fark doesnt he? Bozza just wants his son to have a career somewhere and (in my opinion) just doesnt give a shit, if things dont pan out for him here hell pick up and move to Europe. 
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It's so weird seeing the Fox sports guys talking a league again maybe they saw my post from last week? 
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I think the end is nigh and the APL is hoping that the FA will bale them out. 
I don’t think it will be that easy, JJ is no fool, he wants to build the tiers but not at the expense of all other aspects of the game.

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LFC. - 8 May 2024 4:20 PM
thanks mate,

The GLOBAL STANDARD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So the points from this one I hear.

unrest pre covid as we know, sugar daddys wanted to take control so unrest years prior, take over therefore its been sum 6/7yrs of troubles that again works against the game because the suits fight and keep screwing up incl the last 3yrs..
Trashcan/Hearne + have alot to answer for but water under the bridge get their $$$'s and run ! in the meantime your APL league is going down like the Titanic.
APL being privately owned will refuse to let out the facts let alone a Audit where has 140M gone (keepup 50M we know) that should have gone mostly to the game instead of lining their pockets/wages/trips to WC etcetcetc
Big 4 Clubs have alot to answer for as well, SFC/WSW/MC/MV who lets call them the bigger sugar daddys of the APL clubs have taken the/their game/league down the rabbit hole.
Massive damage to the game Bozza/Slater address and they bloody well care......
Jets a huge piece of the puzzle to keep afloat - otherwise your an absolute fucker running this league and losing that important catchment therefore the game.
Bozza, ALIGN THE GAME.
WTF in summer, players he's asked, what do you prefer, playing in the heat or in winter on sub standard pitchs, sub standard winter pitch's please.
APL obviously declined to speak with Peacock, for they care about our game so much they are too busy.



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So what has changed in 50 years of following sport in this country, agendas & jobs for the boys.

But you lose me when you talk Slater & Bozza, they have their way we'd still be playing hoofball. big critics of Ange but never criticise their mate Arnie. So they are also part of the problem, mates (socceroos mates for the job).
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they had goes at Ange pretty much like a lot of us.
Stop playing that game style whilst we didn’t have the cattle capable through important games.
They admire good football like the lot of us we all have moved on from hoofball.

The rest as you say what’s change at the top - yep not much but different faces.




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LFC. - 8 May 2024 8:10 PM
Robbos 
they had goes at Ange pretty much like a lot of us.
Stop playing that game style whilst we didn’t have the cattle capable through important games.
They admire good football like the lot of us we all have moved on from hoofball.

The rest as you say what’s change at the top - yep not much but different faces.



Id like to put my hand up and point out i didnt have a go at ange

Both ange and arnie were outstanding in the a league amd both had a remarkable achievement with a modest squad. In anges case we won the asian cup on home soil. In arnies case got us out of the group and finished 11th

There are problems in australian football, but the quality of national team coaching isnt one of them
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grazorblade - 8 May 2024 9:11 PM
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Id like to put my hand up and point out i didnt have a go at ange

Both ange and arnie were outstanding in the a league amd both had a remarkable achievement with a modest squad. In anges case we won the asian cup on home soil. In arnies case got us out of the group and finished 11th

There are problems in australian football, but the quality of national team coaching isnt one of them

Ummm I feel like we have already forgotten the Olyroos?


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Monoethnic Social Club - 9 May 2024 10:10 AM
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Ummm I feel like we have already forgotten the Olyroos?


The Olympics were important when we never qualified for the World cup. Now who really cares, couldn't tell who won gold in Tokyo.
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The best I got out of it was telling kids to improve their touch, left foot right foot - the basics early

Our kids have horrible techniques. 
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robbos - 9 May 2024 11:17 AM
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The Olympics were important when we never qualified for the World cup. Now who really cares, couldn't tell who won gold in Tokyo.

Sure, not many people could tell you who finished 11th in Qatar either mate.... 
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grazorblade - 8 May 2024 9:11 PM
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Id like to put my hand up and point out i didnt have a go at ange

Both ange and arnie were outstanding in the a league amd both had a remarkable achievement with a modest squad. In anges case we won the asian cup on home soil. In arnies case got us out of the group and finished 11th

There are problems in australian football, but the quality of national team coaching isnt one of them

Graz didn't take any of your posts re Ange so nothing to worry about mate.

Posts since I totally agree with re performances - its the passed.

As for the quality of NT - yer nah I'm not that impressed nor ahead till proven - long way to go despite so much changed re development - we will always have some/couple of standouts with hope like Irakunda for eg, he's just one like many before, prove is in the pudding.
tsf is on the page as is a few others incl me.


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Monoethnic Social Club - 9 May 2024 10:10 AM
grazorblade - 8 May 2024 9:11 PM

Ummm I feel like we have already forgotten the Olyroos?


I mean ange and arnie were fine
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LFC. - 9 May 2024 1:00 PM
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Graz didn't take any of your posts re Ange so nothing to worry about mate.

Posts since I totally agree with re performances - its the passed.

As for the quality of NT - yer nah I'm not that impressed nor ahead till proven - long way to go despite so much changed re development - we will always have some/couple of standouts with hope like Irakunda for eg, he's just one like many before, prove is in the pudding.
tsf is on the page as is a few others incl me.

What would impress u? We have zero players in the big 5 before 2022 and 2015 iirc (maybe we had 1 in 2015) so i think those were pretty decent results

Of course i want more players in the big 5 so that better results are expected. Right now, we punch way about our weight but our weight is very light. So thats a credit to our coaching and an indictment on our pathways
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grazorblade - 9 May 2024 1:50 PM
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I mean ange and arnie were fine

Did you NOT watch the Tokyo Olympics?
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Did you NOT watch the Tokyo Olympics?

Qualified with a weaker underage team and got a win in the group stage
 It's a par for me. Would have liked to see more rotation in the group stage with baccus and devlin replacing metcalf and genreau in the 2nd game where we were parking the bus but in the end we were weaker than our opponents and he did well to make us competitive

The 2004 olympics we had aloisi and cahill and still only got 1 win and a draw. In 2000 we had most of our golden gen and got 0 wins and even lost to hondurus
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What would impress u? We have zero players in the big 5 before 2022 and 2015 iirc (maybe we had 1 in 2015) so i think those were pretty decent results

Of course i want more players in the big 5 so that better results are expected. Right now, we punch way about our weight but our weight is very light. So thats a credit to our coaching and an indictment on our pathways

Grazer, it no matter what friggin league anyone is in to me I just wish to see a cohesive/blended flowing team playing "football", not hold stations in our last third or half majority of a game, reset reset, and jag counters.
Sure under current circumstances thats our game but its choking/squeezing your butt cheeks viewing.
Punch above our weight is of the past and recently how we got over the line in Qatar actually astounded me for it wasn't from over stimulating play but counter punch and lots of good fortune, the golden nugget Dukes arsed reflex flicked reaction surprisingly flys into goal type of stuff.
Sure luck happens for every single team but we lucked alot.
Our recent AC campaign says where we are plain and simple.
What would impress me ? seeing a early 20 something show the goods like Goodwin in his 30's, not just 1 gimme 2 3 wow what a bonus, thats what will impress me after all this bloody time since my youth going way back before many here.
To see players have alot better touch and create time with the ball more, be a yard faster, indictment of our pathways ?
phhhf like I said the AC showed us up - I'm told who cares about the olympic results of the next pathway wonder lads, OK - seems excuse's keep being applied and its early days.
Seriously no wonder - I watch robbos minnow portugal produce players left right centre, LFC academy players would chew our NT for brekky I expect and our olyroos in their sleep !.
Some will say thats not a fair comparo and sure it isn't BUT that the bloody BAR !
Whilst we keep grovelling over the mighty APL, Lowy this god that god bringing the $$$'s in and Pro football and the wonderous league we have producing some new coming of age wonders, we have stagmented whilst other Asian minnows have stepped up and good for them, I am friggin jealous and angry !





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grazorblade - 9 May 2024 2:57 PM
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Qualified with a weaker underage team and got a win in the group stage
 It's a par for me. Would have liked to see more rotation in the group stage with baccus and devlin replacing metcalf and genreau in the 2nd game where we were parking the bus but in the end we were weaker than our opponents and he did well to make us competitive

The 2004 olympics we had aloisi and cahill and still only got 1 win and a draw. In 2000 we had most of our golden gen and got 0 wins and even lost to hondurus

Fair assessment.

I mean we forget how hard is to qualify for the Olympics. There's going to be times now where just reaching the Olympics is a par (given only 3.5 spots available in AFC compared to the 8.somerthing there is now for the World Cup).
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Grazer, it no matter what friggin league anyone is in to me I just wish to see a cohesive/blended flowing team playing "football", not hold stations in our last third or half majority of a game, reset reset, and jag counters.
Sure under current circumstances thats our game but its choking/squeezing your butt cheeks viewing.
Punch above our weight is of the past and recently how we got over the line in Qatar actually astounded me for it wasn't from over stimulating play but counter punch and lots of good fortune, the golden nugget Dukes arsed reflex flicked reaction surprisingly flys into goal type of stuff.
Sure luck happens for every single team but we lucked alot.
Our recent AC campaign says where we are plain and simple.
What would impress me ? seeing a early 20 something show the goods like Goodwin in his 30's, not just 1 gimme 2 3 wow what a bonus, thats what will impress me after all this bloody time since my youth going way back before many here.
To see players have alot better touch and create time with the ball more, be a yard faster, indictment of our pathways ?
phhhf like I said the AC showed us up - I'm told who cares about the olympic results of the next pathway wonder lads, OK - seems excuse's keep being applied and its early days.
Seriously no wonder - I watch robbos minnow portugal produce players left right centre, LFC academy players would chew our NT for brekky I expect and our olyroos in their sleep !.
Some will say thats not a fair comparo and sure it isn't BUT that the bloody BAR !
Whilst we keep grovelling over the mighty APL, Lowy this god that god bringing the $$$'s in and Pro football and the wonderous league we have producing some new coming of age wonders, we have stagmented whilst other Asian minnows have stepped up and good for them, I am friggin jealous and angry !




If it doesnt matter what leagues teams play in why dont america samoa dominate world football? 

The club elo of our players is way below what u would expect given our national team elo or fifa ranking. Sire we had good luck against denmark but we had bad luck against south korea. It evens out

If we want to be better we need better players rather than blaming a coach for not getting a bunch of 2nd div players to play world class. 

The current steps to getting better better players are
1) a league academies introduced a few years ago
2) an nst and perhaps a league expansion to expand pro pathways
3) 3 fa academies being introduced

Hope it all helps. I guess we will see!
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NicCarBel - 9 May 2024 3:12 PM
grazorblade - 9 May 2024 2:57 PM

Fair assessment.

I mean we forget how hard is to qualify for the Olympics. There's going to be times now where just reaching the Olympics is a par (given only 3.5 spots available in AFC compared to the 8.somerthing there is now for the World Cup).

Yeah and its a knockout tournament where we cant get many foreign players. Complete nightmare. 
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Just read the Socceroos/matildas piece now.

Some interesting points:

The Olyroos had little prep going into the first game (no lead up games going into the first game) which is why they looked flat and consverative against Jordan but the panel questioned why Irankunda wasnt selected

The young Socceroos whom are a very talent cohort that it got Zidane to be impressed when they played in Spain against France which they won, although haven't played an competitive game since that Spain tournament due to cost measuring into scouting, but when they have played they have impressed but they got games coming up in June against South America and Asian teams.

Merrick will launch FA Academies specifically targeting 13-16 year olds assuming its to follow a model similar to Clairefontaine where they train for that academy but play for their clubs in the weekend, I guess we will find out about the true details soon and how it will work with a-league and NPL academies.

Merrick also has changed the coaching courses and wants all Australian teams to play a proactive, attacking style of football similar to Ange although im not sure what the specifics of it in a tactical and technical standpoint will be and therefore how it will look like.

FA want the next few years to be youth development focused with a big focus on transfer fees.
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Barca4Life - 9 May 2024 3:48 PM
Just read the Socceroos/matildas piece now.

Some interesting points:

The Olyroos had little prep going into the first game (no lead up games going into the first game) which is why they looked flat and consverative against Jordan but the panel questioned why Irankunda wasnt selected

The young Socceroos whom are a very talent cohort that it got Zidane to be impressed when they played in Spain against France which they won, although haven't played an competitive game since that Spain tournament due to cost measuring into scouting, but when they have played they have impressed but they got games coming up in June against South America and Asian teams.

Merrick will launch FA Academies specifically targeting 13-16 year olds assuming its to follow a model similar to Clairefontaine where they train for that academy but play for their clubs in the weekend, I guess we will find out about the true details soon and how it will work with a-league and NPL academies.

Merrick also has changed the coaching courses and wants all Australian teams to play a proactive, attacking style of football similar to Ange although im not sure what the specifics of it in a tactical and technical standpoint will be and therefore how it will look like.

FA want the next few years to be youth development focused with a big focus on transfer fees.

Thanks for the summary.....wish us povos with 3 young kids paying off massive brittish visa fees could get access to the article
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Thanks for the summary.....wish us povos with 3 young kids paying off massive brittish visa fees could get access to the article

It's only 1 dollar for the first month, after that its 10 bucks a month.

Its not bad, it's good to see Peacock, Bozza and Slater back together again with nostalgia to the old match day Saturdays.
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Barca4Life - 9 May 2024 3:48 PM
Just read the Socceroos/matildas piece now.

Some interesting points:

The Olyroos had little prep going into the first game (no lead up games going into the first game) which is why they looked flat and consverative against Jordan but the panel questioned why Irankunda wasnt selected

The young Socceroos whom are a very talent cohort that it got Zidane to be impressed when they played in Spain against France which they won, although haven't played an competitive game since that Spain tournament due to cost measuring into scouting, but when they have played they have impressed but they got games coming up in June against South America and Asian teams.

Merrick will launch FA Academies specifically targeting 13-16 year olds assuming its to follow a model similar to Clairefontaine where they train for that academy but play for their clubs in the weekend, I guess we will find out about the true details soon and how it will work with a-league and NPL academies.

Merrick also has changed the coaching courses and wants all Australian teams to play a proactive, attacking style of football similar to Ange although im not sure what the specifics of it in a tactical and technical standpoint will be and therefore how it will look like.

FA want the next few years to be youth development focused with a big focus on transfer fees.

Really promising especially the federation academies and change of coaching direction, thanks, will watch it tonight :)
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grazorblade - 9 May 2024 3:55 PM
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Thanks for the summary.....wish us povos with 3 young kids paying off massive brittish visa fees could get access to the article

Its on Youtube for free my guy.
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