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exactely above robbos, no way are the 2 mentioned as saviours, its all in JJ/FA court, he is the man responsible to put things together full stop period.
I don't mind influence and comments from for eg GA/Ange you name it those with inside experience and even input from the ex players of the past, any feedback should be welcomed as long as it viable and useful.


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LFC. - 13 May 2024 9:31 AM
deebee - 12 May 2024 11:45 PM

I see your frustration I hear you, went through it myself with both my boys.
Both opted out coming into Snr's, just got sick of the BS.

I did a thread on the training sessions in england and i asked if anyone can give me an overview of what training their kids are recieving (aka a typical session). Can deebee and lfc elaborate?

I did a youth coach training course in england and will do a thread comparing the development strategy.

The spoiler is that our training is miles ahead of theirs but england compensate for that many times over by giving resources to parents and kids (videos of things to do with kids at home etc). Good training v bad training can take a kid from having 100 touches a session to 600 and avoid those touches being ones that reinforce bad habits. However you will have 10 times that many touches at home so focusing on increasing and improving touches at home is a good idea
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Monoethnic Social Club - 13 May 2024 9:30 AM
Munrubenmuz - 11 May 2024 10:57 AM
One possible solution may be to rethink the astronomical cost of FA coaching license courses that NPL clubs are mandated to have for training at every single tier of the age group for both girls and boys before they are even allowed to kick a ball in anger. As well as a paid technical director? I agree that the cost to play football (at a decent level) is ridiculously high but the fact remains that supply and demand means that for every talented youngster out there whose parents can't afford to send them to play there are a hundred numpties, wearing man City jerseys and CR7 boots, who's parent believe they will be the next Mbappe. 


What's a coaching course cost for NPL?

I thought it was around $4k but I might be wrong. (So one kid's rego would pay that.)

Also don't we want qualified coaches?




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Munrubenmuz - 14 May 2024 1:22 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 13 May 2024 9:30 AM

What's a coaching course cost for NPL?

I thought it was around $4k but I might be wrong. (So one kid's rego would pay that.)

Also don't we want qualified coaches?


Yeah its around that I believe to do both C and the B youth but then if someone is going to pay out of his own pocket to do the course would you not expect them to be paid to coach (if nothing else to pay off the cost of the license) why doesn't the FA make it free if we want qualified coaches? What about the insistence of a Technical director??? WF? 

I dont have the answers, any of them mate, Im not on the coalface but  its too simplisitic to say costs are too high because of the clubs.... 
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Simon hill on the global game passionately defending 10 and saying there has been no change to the tv money since 22/23 and also making a point of some of the issues with fox back in the day

Firmer response than i expected
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grazorblade - 15 May 2024 12:52 AM
Simon hill on the global game passionately defending 10 and saying there has been no change to the tv money since 22/23 and also making a point of some of the issues with fox back in the day

Firmer response than i expected

https://twitter.com/Farpostperth/status/1790395781360628010

link to simon hill's response


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grazorblade - 15 May 2024 2:28 AM
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https://twitter.com/Farpostperth/status/1790395781360628010

link to simon hill's response


cheers,
Hey kudos to Hill I like him and not surprised he seeing his way as well.
The narratives as he quotes works both ways.
Don't think Peacocks side of discussion between them mentioned anything of going back to FOX, all those 3 explained is what it was way back then $$ wise before things started going pear shaped.
Comparing funding originally to current.
Now I get Hill sticking up for his side of the ledger for he did have a dig saying they are on Murdochs owned side (Codesports) whereas he's not the opposite.
So thats moot.
Defending worst deal with P+, well ofcourse there was no one else throwing money to the game APL had no choice but to take the $140M.
He reckons its not as bad as it is, funnily both he and Brosquey quote why the KPI's are not met for not enough viewing eyes are on the game.
So overall to me as usual, one side say their bit and the other says theirs, nothing constructive comes from it, same ol same ol.



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Monoethnic Social Club - 14 May 2024 1:28 PM
Munrubenmuz - 14 May 2024 1:22 PM

Yeah its around that I believe to do both C and the B youth but then if someone is going to pay out of his own pocket to do the course would you not expect them to be paid to coach (if nothing else to pay off the cost of the license) why doesn't the FA make it free if we want qualified coaches? What about the insistence of a Technical director??? WF? 

I dont have the answers, any of them mate, Im not on the coalface but  its too simplisitic to say costs are too high because of the clubs.... 

Let's say under 13's to 18's have squads of 16 players each. That's 96 players paying $3170.00 each.

That's $304 200.00.

Not including 'additional' training sessions and the rest of it. 

But that's not my point. The point is we know the costs are a barrier to entry, to playing and to continuing to play BUT know one knows how to reduce those costs. Or at least I haven't seen a decent proposal as yet.

Grazor suggested a lobby group but besides big ticket items (like stadia) there's no way the government is going to subsidise all NPL regos to the tune of $2 - $3k a year all over Australia. It just won't happen.





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grazorblade - 15 May 2024 2:28 AM
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https://twitter.com/Farpostperth/status/1790395781360628010

link to simon hill's response


Love his comments on the last few years with Fox & the A-League especially during Covid.
Murdoch media is no friends of football in Australia & them via Code (Bozza & Slater) providing insights is like the AFL providing insights to the NRL.  NO Thanks. 
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grazorblade - 15 May 2024 12:52 AM
Simon hill on the global game passionately defending 10 and saying there has been no change to the tv money since 22/23 and also making a point of some of the issues with fox back in the day

Firmer response than i expected

Main Media guy but won't buy a tax-deductible subscription to Murdoch.   Sets out the camps early

Slater's chipped in

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That comes off a bit stupid for me the fox guys had their day the ten guys had their say we don't need a wwe survivor series match here. Just move on for Christ sake 
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Melbcityguy - 15 May 2024 10:39 AM
That comes off a bit stupid for me the fox guys had their day the ten guys had their say we don't need a wwe survivor series match here. Just move on for Christ sake 

We don't?!

Actually, you're right, lets put them in the War Games cage
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I think both share good points is there some beef in there probably but overall both make good points with the direction of the league.

And we need a lot more of it, the more debate and critical analysis the better the problem is the media landscape is so small we never get this enough.
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Munrubenmuz - 15 May 2024 9:52 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 14 May 2024 1:28 PM

Let's say under 13's to 18's have squads of 16 players each. That's 96 players paying $3170.00 each.

That's $304 200.00.

Not including 'additional' training sessions and the rest of it. 

But that's not my point. The point is we know the costs are a barrier to entry, to playing and to continuing to play BUT know one knows how to reduce those costs. Or at least I haven't seen a decent proposal as yet.

Grazor suggested a lobby group but besides big ticket items (like stadia) there's no way the government is going to subsidise all NPL regos to the tune of $2 - $3k a year all over Australia. It just won't happen.



Hey I'm just another pleb on here with interest but its pretty obvious a game of our stature/size needs to muscle in for gov funding for starters.
I came across this that was interesting.
https://australiansportreflections.com/2024/02/28/update-on-federal-and-state-governments-funding-of-afl-and-nrl-high-performance-training-centres/
Maybe a lobby group as mentioned for its seems our own FA just can't get through - even at the WWC here it was quoted in the media by players/GA has a few times - how about more funding to Football for all to see, nothing has happenned eh ?
I wonder what Jnr costs are involved in NRL/AFL anyone got any intel on this ?
Its a entirely different model/sport mind you.
Hardly any National exposure re NT games but for the NRL WC/6's or whatever.

I think elite levels leave as is for thats too big a task to work on at this stage its down at grass roots/Association that needs more support.
To improve facilities and reduction on regos so as local Clubs get some cost breaks, they can also spend on improvements as well instead of just working their butts off to cover their season costs and get some funds in the their banks.





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grazorblade - 15 May 2024 12:52 AM
Simon hill on the global game passionately defending 10 and saying there has been no change to the tv money since 22/23 and also making a point of some of the issues with fox back in the day

Firmer response than i expected

Good boy Simon .... Hope he doesnt change his tune if he leaves the Paramount stable.... that would be a little mercenary of him.
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Munrubenmuz - 15 May 2024 9:52 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 14 May 2024 1:28 PM

Let's say under 13's to 18's have squads of 16 players each. That's 96 players paying $3170.00 each.

That's $304 200.00.

Not including 'additional' training sessions and the rest of it. 

But that's not my point. The point is we know the costs are a barrier to entry, to playing and to continuing to play BUT know one knows how to reduce those costs. Or at least I haven't seen a decent proposal as yet.

Grazor suggested a lobby group but besides big ticket items (like stadia) there's no way the government is going to subsidise all NPL regos to the tune of $2 - $3k a year all over Australia. It just won't happen.



A couple of "back of the napkin" thoughts from me are, each federation should be able to work with ALL clubs under their care to present a unified insurance product that will reduce the burden. Another is (which I believe is being worked on) a unified lobby to local government for reduced hire of fields and facilities, combined with a "package deal" on energy bills for lights and council rates...  AFL (I assume NRL) subsidise the shit out of their grass roots clubs for this very purpose, we spend money on WC junkets and websites that dont work... $70 million pumped into grassroots would have come a long way towards player affordability but the "suits" see the hundreds of thousands of parents willing to fork out the high fees and dont feel the priority... its more important to provide a ROI to foreigners... and blame the "effniks"  clubs for paying their senior players.... 
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Monoethnic Social Club - 15 May 2024 12:25 PM
grazorblade - 15 May 2024 12:52 AM

Good boy Simon .... Hope he doesnt change his tune if he leaves the Paramount stable.... that would be a little mercenary of him.

Well Simon is one of the few without agendas in this country, he has the game at the forefront, more like him & Ange & JJ & maybe, just maybe we might turn it around in this country.

Na only joking, no chance too many with too many agendas.
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Monoethnic Social Club - 15 May 2024 12:25 PM

Well Simon is one of the few without agendas in this country, he has the game at the forefront, more like him & Ange & JJ & maybe, just maybe we might turn it around in this country.

Na only joking, no chance too many with too many agendas.

hahahaha... oh wait you are being serious? Oh man, no wonder we will never get anywhere in this country... OK. 
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Monoethnic Social Club - 15 May 2024 2:13 PM
robbos - 15 May 2024 2:01 PM

hahahaha... oh wait you are being serious? Oh man, no wonder we will never get anywhere in this country... OK. 

Agendas mate, I know Simon was not involved with the NSL.
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Agendas mate, I know Simon was not involved with the NSL.

rob, I don't think its that black and white, I like the bloke but here's my take, he has his own agendas where his mouth is fed and where he was prior And I'd suggest he has a bone to pick with some fellow ex work mates, hey we all have differing opinions with work mates.
I could be clutching at straws but you can always wonder.


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Agendas mate, I know Simon was not involved with the NSL.

You really ARE clueless about anything pre-plastic league arent you?

Who is commentating in the NSL grand final with Fozzie below, someone pretending to be Hill?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR8VliX3FHM

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rob, I don't think its that black and white, I like the bloke but here's my take, he has his own agendas where his mouth is fed and where he was prior And I'd suggest he has a bone to pick with some fellow ex work mates, hey we all have differing opinions with work mates.
I could be clutching at straws but you can always wonder.

He was in a social media fight a couple of years ago with an Asian Australian soccer fan trying to convince them that there is NO way an "effnik club" like South Melbourne would ever attract people outside their own "effncities" despite this particular fan being BOTH Asian and a member.... what a self serving tool. 
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robbos - 15 May 2024 2:49 PM

rob, I don't think its that black and white, I like the bloke but here's my take, he has his own agendas where his mouth is fed and where he was prior And I'd suggest he has a bone to pick with some fellow ex work mates, hey we all have differing opinions with work mates.
I could be clutching at straws but you can always wonder.

I was just throwing up the bait for my old Anti A-league mate Mono & he bit.

Look both semis nearly sold out & we have had another doom & gloom year in the APL, runs on an oily rag.

Like I said I'm all for change, but if you think Slater, Bozza & Sth Melbourne are leading the way, well maybe not.
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I was just throwing up the bait for my old Anti A-league mate Mono & he bit.

Look both semis nearly sold out & we have had another doom & gloom year in the APL, runs on an oily rag.

Like I said I'm all for change, but if you think Slater, Bozza & Sth Melbourne are leading the way, well maybe not.

BULLSHIT... "throwing up the bait"???  How gutless are ya? You got caught out and you know it you old perve.
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Monoethnic Social Club - 15 May 2024 4:48 PM
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BULLSHIT... "throwing up the bait"???  How gutless are ya? You got caught out and you know it you old perve.

How am I caught out? Metaphor evades you my friend, come into real world, goggle is your friend, keep the insults coming no wonder you like fox & Murdoch, they support Trump & Trump uses insults.
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robbos - 15 May 2024 4:58 PM
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How am I caught out? Metaphor evades you my friend, come into real world, goggle is your friend, keep the insults coming no wonder you like fox & Murdoch, they support Trump & Trump uses insults.

"metaphore" HAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAH HAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHA HAHAHAHAAHAHAHA OK ... Ill let you go now.  Go find some Simon Hill NSL clips to keep you amused... Back before he turned plastic. 



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Monoethnic Social Club - 15 May 2024 5:02 PM
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"metaphore" HAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAH HAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHA HAHAHAHAAHAHAHA OK ... Ill let you go now.  Go find some Simon Hill NSL clips to keep you amused... Back before he turned plastic. 



Yes imagine if Ange didn't turn plastic, he'd be coaching his 6th Greek club in Victoria now, what a waste!!!!!!

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I was just throwing up the bait for my old Anti A-league mate Mono & he bit.

Look both semis nearly sold out & we have had another doom & gloom year in the APL, runs on an oily rag.

Like I said I'm all for change, but if you think Slater, Bozza & Sth Melbourne are leading the way, well maybe not.

lol so you 2 fish where the fish are, in your own pond hahaha

Mate I would expect semis and gf sold out, casuals/and many neutrals are starved for football here so they turn up for the main non prem games.

I won't mind if Bozza/Slater become part of the NST commentry - they are not ones to be involved of changes but bit player side kicks calling games no more no less IF that ever occurred.


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robbos - 16 May 2024 10:16 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 15 May 2024 5:02 PM

Yes imagine if Ange didn't turn plastic, he'd be coaching his 6th Greek club in Victoria now, what a waste!!!!!!

Do you have a picture of him holding a pole vault on your wall as well?  No players or coaches are PLASTIC my dear confused Robbo, they are just seeking paid opportunities.

Ange went on from a small part time Greek Australian Club to be a fairly respected figure in one of (if not THE greatest leagues in the world)...  I see him mention South Melbourne a hell of a lot in his conversations with the worlds press ... not much of a mention about the plastic garbage league eh? He mentioned Mariners once and you came in your pants hahahahahaah.
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