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+x+xWould love a breakaway league as a backup plan, but what are the odds that actually happens? You need a minimum of 8 clubs willing to put themselves out there as directly affronting the fa and giving up on any diplomatic solution. Are the 8 ceos in that basket? Then for p and r to happen you need some state feds on board. 2 is enough to start. But that means you need 10 people to make it work in some form I hope souths have legal and political recourse, because if not that is a bridge burning interview. Does anyone know if they do? Bill Papastergiadis – Chairman of SMFC is a lawyer. Nick Galatas - Association of Australian Football Clubs (AAFC) Chairman is also lawyer. Promising...what time is the meeting today?
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+x+x+xWould love a breakaway league as a backup plan, but what are the odds that actually happens? You need a minimum of 8 clubs willing to put themselves out there as directly affronting the fa and giving up on any diplomatic solution. Are the 8 ceos in that basket? Then for p and r to happen you need some state feds on board. 2 is enough to start. But that means you need 10 people to make it work in some form I hope souths have legal and political recourse, because if not that is a bridge burning interview. Does anyone know if they do? Bill Papastergiadis – Chairman of SMFC is a lawyer. Nick Galatas - Association of Australian Football Clubs (AAFC) Chairman is also lawyer. Promising...what time is the meeting today? A watched kettle never comes to the boil mate . lol ....... Just jump on reddit and enjoy the mouth breathing fucknuckle Hellas hate until we hear something. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAh Its unreal.
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grazorblade
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a league reddit anti nst/anti nsl/ anti sm/ anti ethnic sentiments have been escalating over the last few months. Tried a constructive post, see if anyone bites last few months seen a lot of comments seeing lowering the entry requirements as bad because allegedly npl on planes as worse than no nst at all I'm confused by this football pyramids should overlap, so shouldn't at least the bottom of the ladder look like npl on planes? Ideally you want the top to eventually look like a budget a league and the bottom to look like npl on planes surely if the nst is to provide an intermediate league for ambitious npl players who aren't yet ready to make the jump to the a league but have outgrown the npl If npl on planes is bad, isn't a champions league literally npl on planes? Why would that be better?
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one thing that stunned me the other day was someone saying the nst was bad because the prospective nst clubs produce most of the youth for the a league and roos, so if those clubs go broke trying and failing an nst then we are all screwed
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+xone thing that stunned me the other day was someone saying the nst was bad because the prospective nst clubs produce most of the youth for the a league and roos, so if those clubs go broke trying and failing an nst then we are all screwed Hahahahaah exactly right... NPL clubs should just shut up and produce talented youngsters for the Aleague. HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA My favourite was some dildo claiming South Melbourne just wants to create a competition with weak clubs so that we can always make fianls (not having realized that thats what we do every eyar in the NPL ahahahaahahah) ... and I cant remember now but I think it was this Former Yugoslav guy whose club has actually applied for this NST Hahahah these babies are absolutely cooked.
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So reading up this thread, the apl has a huge number of seats on the board so they get to steer the fa but not the other way round
What a disaster. Need another crawford report or a pro pyramid version of frank lowy
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Yer I checked out in there this arvo. Real sad overall. Like Guus you have all types either side then some in the middle for either league. Its just sad most are caught with old news and the whole loser take on NPL/NSL yet their own is cooked And their franchise’s feed off those leagues and play in them ffs. Main thing is the game needs the massive recourse they dispute against. Beyond ridiculous.
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I would not normally do this but i spent some time on reddit for a little bit as well and they are very anti pro-rel, a lot of excuses such as we have a low population, travel costs, having alot of sports where it’s got nothing to do with the purpose of rewarding teams that do well and punishing teams that don’t do well.
What do they expect? A closed system with no incentives to develop teams, players and coaches?
Only to suit their own teams regardless of how where they finish on the table?
The overall discourse in aus football has got a long way to go when it comes to educating the sports means and why things like pro-rel are part of football all over the world and why it’s a crucial part of growing the sport.
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a league reddit anti nst/anti nsl/ anti sm/ anti ethnic sentiments have been escalating over the last few months. Tried a constructive post, see if anyone bites last few months seen a lot of comments seeing lowering the entry requirements as bad because allegedly npl on planes as worse than no nst at all I'm confused by this football pyramids should overlap, so shouldn't at least the bottom of the ladder look like npl on planes? Ideally you want the top to eventually look like a budget a league and the bottom to look like npl on planes surely if the nst is to provide an intermediate league for ambitious npl players who aren't yet ready to make the jump to the a league but have outgrown the npl If npl on planes is bad, isn't a champions league literally npl on planes? Why would that be better?
I couldn’t believe how bad the discourse was over there, at least this forum provides a good balance of discussion.
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+xI would not normally do this but i spent some time on reddit for a little bit as well and they are very anti pro-rel, a lot of excuses such as we have a low population, travel costs, having alot of sports where it’s got nothing to do with the purpose of rewarding teams that do well and punishing teams that don’t do well. What do they expect? A closed system with no incentives to develop teams, players and coaches? Only to suit their own teams regardless of how where they finish on the table? The overall discourse in aus football has got a long way to go when it comes to educating the sports means and why things like pro-rel are part of football all over the world and why it’s a crucial part of growing the sport. I just kinda wish people were a bit more tentative and less aggressive over there. You aren't gonna get to the truth if you are 100% confident of your own view and attack everyone that disagrees with you?
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i must admit i feel a bit of dispair. If even a breakaway league happens that would be great as a next best thing but the divisions in oz football are heart breaking
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More like FA telling the 8 this is whats happening next....
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Sure is. How to say the same thing five times 🥱 The only news is that it's "weeks" away again.
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absolute sweet fuck all press release again virtually came out til then no point mention til such time.
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a league reddit anti nst/anti nsl/ anti sm/ anti ethnic sentiments have been escalating over the last few months. Tried a constructive post, see if anyone bites last few months seen a lot of comments seeing lowering the entry requirements as bad because allegedly npl on planes as worse than no nst at all I'm confused by this football pyramids should overlap, so shouldn't at least the bottom of the ladder look like npl on planes? Ideally you want the top to eventually look like a budget a league and the bottom to look like npl on planes surely if the nst is to provide an intermediate league for ambitious npl players who aren't yet ready to make the jump to the a league but have outgrown the npl If npl on planes is bad, isn't a champions league literally npl on planes? Why would that be better?
On number 1. Maybe they're talking about tables overlapped, not pyramids? They might be saying the NST should look like budget A-League at the top and NPL on planes at the bottom of the table. That's the only thing that makes it make sense to me haha. 2. They can't see the difference between NST NPL on planes and CL NPL on planes. Fair question I guess. The league would cost more overall to run but would be cheaper per club and per match than CL, so it should be more profitable on match days. I've done the math 🤓
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+xMore like FA telling the 8 this is whats happening next.... So was the meeting the fa saying my way or the highway?
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a league reddit anti nst/anti nsl/ anti sm/ anti ethnic sentiments have been escalating over the last few months. Tried a constructive post, see if anyone bites last few months seen a lot of comments seeing lowering the entry requirements as bad because allegedly npl on planes as worse than no nst at all I'm confused by this football pyramids should overlap, so shouldn't at least the bottom of the ladder look like npl on planes? Ideally you want the top to eventually look like a budget a league and the bottom to look like npl on planes surely if the nst is to provide an intermediate league for ambitious npl players who aren't yet ready to make the jump to the a league but have outgrown the npl If npl on planes is bad, isn't a champions league literally npl on planes? Why would that be better?
I couldn’t believe how bad the discourse was over there, at least this forum provides a good balance of discussion. I've had a look and i have to say im pretty shocked. Not just the general anti agenda but even the casual open racism. I've seen a lot of back and forth between some SM supporters on there and the other redditors, the SM supporters are pretty level headed, make sound arguments, they dont even mock the A league, quite the contrary, and the responses are basically "you ruined the sport f off", some even hang crap on Ange Postecoglou lol. Here the discussions are pretty decent, very much 2024, over on A league reddit its a throwback to 2004.
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+x+x+xI think JJ is caught between a rock and a hard place, trying to spread the dollars around. The APL , through its total incompetence, are now wanting FA to bale them out adding to the ‘voices’ clamouring for ‘this or that’. I have been wanting and hoping for the pyramid to get off the ground and the NST seemed to be the way forward. I don’t think the comment from @smfcmike is fair, FA’s promotion of the Matildas is reasonable and that is where the dollars are coming from. Let’s hope that something can be sorted out to everyone’s satisfaction. yep we always thought JJ was in a corner trying to get light at the end of tunnel. Real shame where its leading to by the look of it, nothing seems to change in this back water but the constant barriers keep standing in the way. I couldn't agree entirely Matildas are the main FA dollar earners, sure a damn good one but so is the Roos, Qatar bonus $$ and the recent games at the G keep bringing more $$ to the coffers as well. Its a win win. If JJ does nothing today then fark himtoo mate... 7-8 months agio he was all bluster, this was going to go ahead, "unite the pyramid" this and "aspirational clubs" that..... what a load of bullshit.... This comp could launch tomorrow but he is going to throw another 140 mill away on a plastic garbage dump... ffs. As the saying goes... "Actions prove who someone is; words just prove who they want to be."
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+x+x+x
a league reddit anti nst/anti nsl/ anti sm/ anti ethnic sentiments have been escalating over the last few months. Tried a constructive post, see if anyone bites last few months seen a lot of comments seeing lowering the entry requirements as bad because allegedly npl on planes as worse than no nst at all I'm confused by this football pyramids should overlap, so shouldn't at least the bottom of the ladder look like npl on planes? Ideally you want the top to eventually look like a budget a league and the bottom to look like npl on planes surely if the nst is to provide an intermediate league for ambitious npl players who aren't yet ready to make the jump to the a league but have outgrown the npl If npl on planes is bad, isn't a champions league literally npl on planes? Why would that be better?
I couldn’t believe how bad the discourse was over there, at least this forum provides a good balance of discussion. I've had a look and i have to say im pretty shocked. Not just the general anti agenda but even the casual open racism. I've seen a lot of back and forth between some SM supporters on there and the other redditors, the SM supporters are pretty level headed, make sound arguments, they dont even mock the A league, quite the contrary, and the responses are basically "you ruined the sport f off", some even hang crap on Ange Postecoglou lol. Here the discussions are pretty decent, very much 2024, over on A league reddit its a throwback to 2004. Yeah sorry about that dumpster fire Doing my head in arguing with people there I wasnt online in 2004 in football circles. I wanted to be a fan of the nsl but could only see snippets of the strikers on news occasionally. The a league made it possible to be a fan of the sport for me. So greatful for that. Just wish we didnt throw our history out and a league fans werent so aggressive towards nsl fans.
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a league reddit anti nst/anti nsl/ anti sm/ anti ethnic sentiments have been escalating over the last few months. Tried a constructive post, see if anyone bites last few months seen a lot of comments seeing lowering the entry requirements as bad because allegedly npl on planes as worse than no nst at all I'm confused by this football pyramids should overlap, so shouldn't at least the bottom of the ladder look like npl on planes? Ideally you want the top to eventually look like a budget a league and the bottom to look like npl on planes surely if the nst is to provide an intermediate league for ambitious npl players who aren't yet ready to make the jump to the a league but have outgrown the npl If npl on planes is bad, isn't a champions league literally npl on planes? Why would that be better?
I couldn’t believe how bad the discourse was over there, at least this forum provides a good balance of discussion. I've had a look and i have to say im pretty shocked. Not just the general anti agenda but even the casual open racism. I've seen a lot of back and forth between some SM supporters on there and the other redditors, the SM supporters are pretty level headed, make sound arguments, they dont even mock the A league, quite the contrary, and the responses are basically "you ruined the sport f off", some even hang crap on Ange Postecoglou lol. Here the discussions are pretty decent, very much 2024, over on A league reddit its a throwback to 2004. Yeah sorry about that dumpster fire Doing my head in arguing with people there I wasnt online in 2004 in football circles. I wanted to be a fan of the nsl but could only see snippets of the strikers on news occasionally. The a league made it possible to be a fan of the sport for me. So greatful for that. Just wish we didnt throw our history out and a league fans werent so aggressive towards nsl fans. Can relate to this.
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+xi must admit i feel a bit of dispair. If even a breakaway league happens that would be great as a next best thing but the divisions in oz football are heart breaking I just reckon we need someone from FA to go fuck it, it's coming so deal with it. With better diplomacy.
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+x+xi must admit i feel a bit of dispair. If even a breakaway league happens that would be great as a next best thing but the divisions in oz football are heart breaking I just reckon we need someone from FA to go fuck it, it's coming so deal with it. With better diplomacy. Would love that, but would need the fa to be sufficiently on board. Hope they are!
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+x+xi must admit i feel a bit of dispair. If even a breakaway league happens that would be great as a next best thing but the divisions in oz football are heart breaking I just reckon we need someone from FA to go fuck it, it's coming so deal with it. With better diplomacy. Well JJ has led us to believe upon the original announcement the game needs this to happen. How you drag so many along and the costs involved astounds me. Its either put up or shut up.
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+x+x+xi must admit i feel a bit of dispair. If even a breakaway league happens that would be great as a next best thing but the divisions in oz football are heart breaking I just reckon we need someone from FA to go fuck it, it's coming so deal with it. With better diplomacy. Well JJ has led us to believe upon the original announcement the game needs this to happen. How you drag so many along and the costs involved astounds me. Its either put up or shut up. Yep agree, I’m actually starting to lose patience with FA and JJ they promised us the NSD and even the transfer system which has gone cold too. Even Ernie Merricks technical plan has gone cold as well, it’s time FA deliver on their promises otherwise they are just under delivering and might be having a debate if they any better than there old FFA lol.
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+x+x+x+xi must admit i feel a bit of dispair. If even a breakaway league happens that would be great as a next best thing but the divisions in oz football are heart breaking I just reckon we need someone from FA to go fuck it, it's coming so deal with it. With better diplomacy. Well JJ has led us to believe upon the original announcement the game needs this to happen. How you drag so many along and the costs involved astounds me. Its either put up or shut up. Yep agree, I’m actually starting to lose patience with FA and JJ they promised us the NSD and even the transfer system which has gone cold too. Even Ernie Merricks technical plan has gone cold as well, it’s time FA deliver on their promises otherwise they are just under delivering and might be having a debate if they any better than there old FFA lol. to be fair to them that governance structure looks insane the apl gets 40% say over the fa (but not vice versa) and the state feds have qld as well as a state in tasmania that wants to sink a tassie bid
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I'm no expert on the politics of it all. Do all those members of the Congress actually vote for/against an NST launching, or do they only vote to elect members to the FA board? Or something else?
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+xI'm no expert on the politics of it all. Do all those members of the Congress actually vote for/against an NST launching, or do they only vote to elect members to the FA board? Or something else? not sure, at minimum there would unspoken pressure for more than half of voters to be happy with you
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+xYer I checked out in there this arvo. Real sad overall. Like Guus you have all types either side then some in the middle for either league. Its just sad most are caught with old news and the whole loser take on NPL/NSL yet their own is cooked And their franchise’s feed off those leagues and play in them ffs. Main thing is the game needs the massive recourse they dispute against. Beyond ridiculous. Yeah geez, I've only just started reading that Reddit thread and it's already descended into Greeks vs Greeks. I'm about 10% through it and wondering if I should bother with the rest of it. Goddamn football in Australia needs to do some healing and I thought NST was going to be a large part of that. Dropouts, delays and paranoia are just rising tensions and people are taking it out on each other. I'm genuinely disappointed in the people who don't even want to try for the NST. I understand the financial concerns, but the intangible cost and damage to the code if this NST league doesn't get going might be irreparable. I don't want to be dramatic, but I've seen out there some trauma from the past creeping back to the surface. I hope those with the power for change know what they need to do for the healing to commence and the game to move forward. For all the good times over the past decades, there has been a darkness lurking in the soul of the code.
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+x+xYer I checked out in there this arvo. Real sad overall. Like Guus you have all types either side then some in the middle for either league. Its just sad most are caught with old news and the whole loser take on NPL/NSL yet their own is cooked And their franchise’s feed off those leagues and play in them ffs. Main thing is the game needs the massive recourse they dispute against. Beyond ridiculous. Yeah geez, I've only just started reading that Reddit thread and it's already descended into Greeks vs Greeks. I'm about 10% through it and wondering if I should bother with the rest of it. Goddamn football in Australia needs to do some healing and I thought NST was going to be a large part of that. Dropouts, delays and paranoia are just rising tensions and people are taking it out on each other. I'm genuinely disappointed in the people who don't even want to try for the NST. I understand the financial concerns, but the intangible cost and damage to the code if this NST league doesn't get going might be irreparable. I don't want to be dramatic, but I've seen out there some trauma from the past creeping back to the surface. I hope those with the power for change know what they need to do for the healing to commence and the game to move forward. For all the good times over the past decades, there has been a darkness lurking in the soul of the code. Yeah and its gotten worse every day on a league reddit. They are normally quite polite on other topics. I think its worth reading just to really understand the depth of bias out there. If jj somehow gets a h amd a happening when this is the darkness in the soul of the code i think that deserves a lot of credit. Criticism if it all blows up, sure but that should cut both ways. Do u think healing can still happen if an nst comes through? Would love the code to unite
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