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+xHave been very impressed with Youlley on the ball - fast handling speed ( time taken to receive and pass it on), composed in tight spaces, superb body shape, terrific vision and eye of the needle passing through compact defences. He needs to tackle with his left foot though, not just his preferred foot. He is a top talent. He also has good athleticism and is very good finisher. Wouldn't be surprised to see him break through at Westerlo this year
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+x+xI guess kuol, tillio, irankunda and bernando are good finishers.....so the occasional finisher is popping through At senior level, Maclaren and Taggart are our best finishers, but they don't get enough shots on goal at international level. Cahill was a good finisher, but also had a few sneaky little tricks like stepping on defenders' toes, to gain space, and shoulder nudges, to put them off balance. It enabled him to create space. He usually got about 5-6 shots per game. finishing definitely noticeable has gone backwards the last ten years while other areas have improved. Remember how David Carney was an amazing finisher but also very weak in other areas? The GG are difficult to evaluate in terms of finishing, they were quite good for their clubs but because they all had the same weakness which meant we mostly saw their aerial finishing. With the exception of Mark Viduka, no one could feed a deck ball into the box that found a team mate. We were lucky to have a single deck ball into the box to a team mate per game. The iran game there were two deck entries into the box from aus, one early from viduka to vidmar and the other a drive from viduka after winning the ball with his press. Iran also had 2. Against Uruguay in 2001 kewell managed a deck ball to trimboli that resulted in a pen and in 2005 viduka was involved with the only deck passes into the box in the whole game which resulted in the goal. I'd love to see replays of Pim's roos to see if we improved in this. Anyway, most of our gg roos received deck service in the box at club level and were pretty tidy finishers. So it is difficult to compare generations when they are getting different service. The players that excelled for the NT were players who were good at receiving aerial balls into the box
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xone interesting thing about the game is that for the first 25 minutes there was no z14 play from australia, we overrelied on the wings and afghan would commit 2 players wide to double team the australian attacker, rendering us completely ineffective At 25min on we started playing the ball on the deck centrally through their block. This caused afghanistan to defend narrow (which you would expect). However, they would still double team us on the right while allowing space on the left. Such a complicated game plan suggests afghan have studied our team and identified the left flank as less dangerous than the right. Anyone know who was on the left v right wing and fb for us? We lacked players that go past players 1v1, but Quintal did just that when he came on and made an impact with he’s directness. We have of a lot of midfielders who are neat and tidy but lack some punch in the final third, a shame the likes of Younis aren’t available. How did Quintal go? I only just saw his assist when rounding the keeper, he looks like he has some skill. He made a great impact, took players on and changed the game for us. yeah to break down a deep block you need 1) first touches and handling speed tight enough to threaten through z14 2) good shooting from range 3) good aerial threat 4) good 1v1 ability 5) good finishing The senior roos have 1 out of 5, this group has 2 out of 5 but quintal does seem to supply some 1v1. Irankunda, bennie, younis and caputo all missing for various reasons who could make a difference too Some highlights for the interested https://x.com/FootballAUS/status/1838368242227953802 Nice round up, agree you need multiple things to break down a deep block it’s something Aus football teams in general have struggled for awhile now so it’s something it needs improving badly. the law of large numbers works against us. From what I observe we either have players with good first touch and handling speed, or are good aerially and atheletically, or are good at 1v1 or can hit a long shot with the best managing 2. If we had twice as many to choose from you start to get more diversity in your skills Not every a league club has an academy right? I think until we get 14 a league academies, a 2nd division and a national youth league the net isn't cast wide enough. I'm curious what happens with these state ais's and whether that helps Yep good points. I would also like to see the coaching standards continue to improve and allow players to be more creative. Too often the kids get over coached and the creativity and dribbling gets coached out of them for some reason. It’s clear we need these kind of players when facing international football from senior to youth, Arnie bemoaned we lacked players with 1v1 ability so it’s problem we are facing at senior level. yeah there are a few with ok 1v1 - irankunda, tilio, arzani, silvera, maybe jelacic but at minimum that hasn't been much improvement in this facet while there has been an a big improvement in controlling the ball in tight spaces. Curious what is happening here Alot of comes down to what the coaches select, maybe they feel there is more midfield depth and not many wingers coming through the age group? Talent ID is such a big topic in youth development. It’s a concern that the now former national team coach is saying this which goes back to the pathways and professional opportunities they are getting. For me my issue with this is it doesn’t help that attacking positions are going to foreign and experienced players which makes it hard for young Australian talent to get a chance to prove themselves.
E.g Sydney FC have got stacks of attacking options but little opportunities for the likes of Segecic and now Quintal to get a go so it’s not an easy fix.
A goalscorer needs to do a lot of work on top of general training on scoring goals. However, some of my senior coaches in the FFA system, when I was involved in rep coaching in underage teams feeding into the state team, I believe didn't set up tasks in shooting exercises where players had enough scoring opportunities at training. There was too many other things before the act of shooting. One good shooting exercise I used was KNVB SSG involving a small pitch with big goals, 5v5 with keepers, where all rules for the game involved numerous shots at goal from all players on the pitch. Might have posted it in performance. Another I used was a dribbling and passing exercise, combine Chelsea Academy/KNVB with shots from three different angles. I'm curious to see what the new sample sessions focused on shooting look like. Can anyone find out? Or has anyone done a course recently?
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+xCommunicating with another forum member who is a junior coach, in the first half against Macau, we were astonished how the U 20s played so a many balls onto the right flank? The U20s barely used the left? yeah it seems we really don't trust our left flank! Props to Afghan for recognizing that weakness before the game!
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+x+xfinished 2-0 we missed a penalty in all that and some really, really gettable chances our shooting is just awful The ntc has improved the floor in coaching standards out of site, problem with our system where there is no p&r and therefore no desperate arms race in youth development is it is also our ceiling. If there is a flaw in the ntc, a whole generation of players have the same flaw. In this case underemphasizing shooting. So now our first touch, handling speed and ability to be effective with a poor body shape has imporved to the point can play through a deep block only do gently nudge the ball wide or straight at the keeper The U20s are creating more chances from Zone 14, or edge of the central pen box, with 1-2s, and tight ball control, which is good. The senior Socceroos rely too much on the flanks. Aus has improved in build up play, which was mediocre before and identified as an inherent weakness by the European coaching hierarchy in 2010. The U23s in many of the build up games to the Olympic QT, where they could not hit the side of a barn, were scoring goals easily against stronger opponents than they faced in the Olympic tournament. I saw 5 games. Toure, A Kuol, Brook and Botic were converting goals. I mentioned on a previous page, to beat a deep block consistently you need to have as many of the following strings in your bow 1) aerial strength 2) z14 strength 3) 1v1 strength 4) good finishing in traffic (say from pullbacks from the wings or from killer balls from z14) 5) good long range shooting We have improved in 2 out of sight for those u20s and younger but still a long way to go. A full strength squad is of course a lot better as we would have younis, irankunda and bennie
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+xonly managing a 2-0 win over the likes of macau is somewhat alarming but not surprising. yeah its tough with asian refs. If you play possession based football you usually pile on the goals late in the game because of the difference in fatigue. However, asian refs allow so much time wasting that you only get 45 minutes play rather than 60 so you don't get that advantage. Afghan in particular were quite organized having said that there are things to be concerned about. Our shooting is very poor and underemphasized in the current ntc. Seemed to be a problem way back in 2018 (though those kids didn't go through the sap) Our depth is also too poor. We have players good at 1v1 or players that are good at controlling the ball in traffic or players good at defending. If you have a larger talent pool you can find players with multiple strings in their bows. This generation should have irankunda, bennie and younis who are all overseas. But we don't have the depth to replace them
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All 4 goals from adelaide talent
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It’s been 15 years but the NC needs a review, take the good things that have come in and look at the things we are missing or we have lost in that period. I’ve checked the FA website and the document looks to be gone so maybe an update? From watching the youth teams over the years it seems we are a bit weak in creating and scoring goals which is interesting considering the SAP phase teaches the 4 core skills so technically the players are better but maybe we lack a cutting edge to our players?
It’s not to say there is some such as Irankunda but other countries to tend to do fairly better in creating these kind of players more than us.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xone interesting thing about the game is that for the first 25 minutes there was no z14 play from australia, we overrelied on the wings and afghan would commit 2 players wide to double team the australian attacker, rendering us completely ineffective At 25min on we started playing the ball on the deck centrally through their block. This caused afghanistan to defend narrow (which you would expect). However, they would still double team us on the right while allowing space on the left. Such a complicated game plan suggests afghan have studied our team and identified the left flank as less dangerous than the right. Anyone know who was on the left v right wing and fb for us? We lacked players that go past players 1v1, but Quintal did just that when he came on and made an impact with he’s directness. We have of a lot of midfielders who are neat and tidy but lack some punch in the final third, a shame the likes of Younis aren’t available. How did Quintal go? I only just saw his assist when rounding the keeper, he looks like he has some skill. He made a great impact, took players on and changed the game for us. yeah to break down a deep block you need 1) first touches and handling speed tight enough to threaten through z14 2) good shooting from range 3) good aerial threat 4) good 1v1 ability 5) good finishing The senior roos have 1 out of 5, this group has 2 out of 5 but quintal does seem to supply some 1v1. Irankunda, bennie, younis and caputo all missing for various reasons who could make a difference too Some highlights for the interested https://x.com/FootballAUS/status/1838368242227953802 Nice round up, agree you need multiple things to break down a deep block it’s something Aus football teams in general have struggled for awhile now so it’s something it needs improving badly. the law of large numbers works against us. From what I observe we either have players with good first touch and handling speed, or are good aerially and atheletically, or are good at 1v1 or can hit a long shot with the best managing 2. If we had twice as many to choose from you start to get more diversity in your skills Not every a league club has an academy right? I think until we get 14 a league academies, a 2nd division and a national youth league the net isn't cast wide enough. I'm curious what happens with these state ais's and whether that helps It’s clear we need these kind of players when facing international football from senior to youth, Arnie bemoaned we lacked players with 1v1 ability so it’s problem we are facing at senior level. When he did he say this, Barca? He said it after the Bahrain game I think, someone asked why we struggled to create against deep block defences and Arnie said something of the lines of we lacked players with 1v1 ability.
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+xIt’s been 15 years but the NC needs a review, take the good things that have come in and look at the things we are missing or we have lost in that period. I’ve checked the FA website and the document looks to be gone so maybe an update? From watching the youth teams over the years it seems we are a bit weak in creating and scoring goals which is interesting considering the SAP phase teaches the 4 core skills so technically the players are better but maybe we lack a cutting edge to our players?
It’s not to say there is some such as Irankunda but other countries to tend to do fairly better in creating these kind of players more than us.
In my view we are running up against the shortcomings of centralization. The ntc had some low hanging fruit - phasing out ball free fitness training as well as excercizes that have either people standing around or have little to do with a realistic game skill. The last version they put shooting in the same category as passing and crossing which had the effect of shooting being underemphasized. Hey, they fixed this, which is great! But it means almost everyone from a whole generation has the same shortcoming and we have to put our hopes in the rare exceptions (tilio, bernando, irankunda, kuol) to come good. I'm sure the next version could potentially have another flaw. In powerhouse euro countries, the federation will give out something very similar to our centralized curriculum, but then you have knowledgable technical directors each going in their own direction at different clubs. So all your eggs are not in one basket. At minimum, you get a bigger variety of profiles of players, but you also have these club academies competing against each other I floated P&R as a possible necessity to bring in this competition between academies. But that might be a long way away...I wonder if there is some way academies can be made to compete against each other in the short term...
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+x+x+xI guess kuol, tillio, irankunda and bernando are good finishers.....so the occasional finisher is popping through At senior level, Maclaren and Taggart are our best finishers, but they don't get enough shots on goal at international level. Cahill was a good finisher, but also had a few sneaky little tricks like stepping on defenders' toes, to gain space, and shoulder nudges, to put them off balance. It enabled him to create space. He usually got about 5-6 shots per game. finishing definitely noticeable has gone backwards the last ten years while other areas have improved. Remember how David Carney was an amazing finisher but also very weak in other areas? This made me remember his goal for Blackpool at Stamford bridge. Absolute belter from outside the box. That's one huge thing I think we have lost with no Moyr or Rogic now is someone who can hit them from range with actual power.
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+x+xIt’s been 15 years but the NC needs a review, take the good things that have come in and look at the things we are missing or we have lost in that period. I’ve checked the FA website and the document looks to be gone so maybe an update? From watching the youth teams over the years it seems we are a bit weak in creating and scoring goals which is interesting considering the SAP phase teaches the 4 core skills so technically the players are better but maybe we lack a cutting edge to our players?
It’s not to say there is some such as Irankunda but other countries to tend to do fairly better in creating these kind of players more than us.
In my view we are running up against the shortcomings of centralization. The ntc had some low hanging fruit - phasing out ball free fitness training as well as excercizes that have either people standing around or have little to do with a realistic game skill. The last version they put shooting in the same category as passing and crossing which had the effect of shooting being underemphasized. Hey, they fixed this, which is great! But it means almost everyone from a whole generation has the same shortcoming and we have to put our hopes in the rare exceptions (tilio, bernando, irankunda, kuol) to come good. I'm sure the next version could potentially have another flaw. In powerhouse euro countries, the federation will give out something very similar to our centralized curriculum, but then you have knowledgable technical directors each going in their own direction at different clubs. So all your eggs are not in one basket. At minimum, you get a bigger variety of profiles of players, but you also have these club academies competing against each other I floated P&R as a possible necessity to bring in this competition between academies. But that might be a long way away...I wonder if there is some way academies can be made to compete against each other in the short term... Finishing definitely needs to improve so it’s good it’s being rectified.
Agree with you on the clubs, they tend to develop the players instead and the federation just acts as the regulator not sure if they have a national curriculum of any sorts.
Could the clubs lead the way?
Maybe, however I’m not sure if we have enough clubs that can put the resources and knowledge into place to develop talent that is required for international football.
It doesn’t help that we only have 11 pro clubs and so many at semi pro standard at NPL level, in a way I get why the FA have released FA academy pathway to give more opportunities to talented players if they not in a aleague set up.
I hate the word academy it gets thrown out a lot, but it shows there is room to grow in the youth development space if the FA feel they need to do this.
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+x+x+xIt’s been 15 years but the NC needs a review, take the good things that have come in and look at the things we are missing or we have lost in that period. I’ve checked the FA website and the document looks to be gone so maybe an update? From watching the youth teams over the years it seems we are a bit weak in creating and scoring goals which is interesting considering the SAP phase teaches the 4 core skills so technically the players are better but maybe we lack a cutting edge to our players?
It’s not to say there is some such as Irankunda but other countries to tend to do fairly better in creating these kind of players more than us.
In my view we are running up against the shortcomings of centralization. The ntc had some low hanging fruit - phasing out ball free fitness training as well as excercizes that have either people standing around or have little to do with a realistic game skill. The last version they put shooting in the same category as passing and crossing which had the effect of shooting being underemphasized. Hey, they fixed this, which is great! But it means almost everyone from a whole generation has the same shortcoming and we have to put our hopes in the rare exceptions (tilio, bernando, irankunda, kuol) to come good. I'm sure the next version could potentially have another flaw. In powerhouse euro countries, the federation will give out something very similar to our centralized curriculum, but then you have knowledgable technical directors each going in their own direction at different clubs. So all your eggs are not in one basket. At minimum, you get a bigger variety of profiles of players, but you also have these club academies competing against each other I floated P&R as a possible necessity to bring in this competition between academies. But that might be a long way away...I wonder if there is some way academies can be made to compete against each other in the short term... Finishing definitely needs to improve so it’s good it’s being rectified.
Agree with you on the clubs, they tend to develop the players instead and the federation just acts as the regulator not sure if they have a national curriculum of any sorts.
Could the clubs lead the way?
Maybe, however I’m not sure if we have enough clubs that can put the resources and knowledge into place to develop talent that is required for international football.
It doesn’t help that we only have 11 pro clubs and so many at semi pro standard at NPL level, in a way I get why the FA have released FA academy pathway to give more opportunities to talented players if they not in a aleague set up.
I hate the word academy it gets thrown out a lot, but it shows there is room to grow in the youth development space if the FA feel they need to do this. England have a ntc. With a vpn u can do the lowest level course for free. The dutch have knvb, pretty much every country would have a ntc. The onus os on the clubs to innovate and treat it as a base. The ntc ensures a minimum quality is met
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+x+x+x+xI guess kuol, tillio, irankunda and bernando are good finishers.....so the occasional finisher is popping through At senior level, Maclaren and Taggart are our best finishers, but they don't get enough shots on goal at international level. Cahill was a good finisher, but also had a few sneaky little tricks like stepping on defenders' toes, to gain space, and shoulder nudges, to put them off balance. It enabled him to create space. He usually got about 5-6 shots per game. finishing definitely noticeable has gone backwards the last ten years while other areas have improved. Remember how David Carney was an amazing finisher but also very weak in other areas? This made me remember his goal for Blackpool at Stamford bridge. Absolute belter from outside the box. That's one huge thing I think we have lost with no Moyr or Rogic now is someone who can hit them from range with actual power. Carney didn't score many for the Roos, but I remember one against Ireland was pretty special.
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+x+x+x+x+xI guess kuol, tillio, irankunda and bernando are good finishers.....so the occasional finisher is popping through At senior level, Maclaren and Taggart are our best finishers, but they don't get enough shots on goal at international level. Cahill was a good finisher, but also had a few sneaky little tricks like stepping on defenders' toes, to gain space, and shoulder nudges, to put them off balance. It enabled him to create space. He usually got about 5-6 shots per game. finishing definitely noticeable has gone backwards the last ten years while other areas have improved. Remember how David Carney was an amazing finisher but also very weak in other areas? This made me remember his goal for Blackpool at Stamford bridge. Absolute belter from outside the box. That's one huge thing I think we have lost with no Moyr or Rogic now is someone who can hit them from range with actual power. Carney didn't score many for the Roos, but I remember one against Ireland was pretty special. even the one v paraguay was pretty decent from memory. Thought he scored a few bangers
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xone interesting thing about the game is that for the first 25 minutes there was no z14 play from australia, we overrelied on the wings and afghan would commit 2 players wide to double team the australian attacker, rendering us completely ineffective At 25min on we started playing the ball on the deck centrally through their block. This caused afghanistan to defend narrow (which you would expect). However, they would still double team us on the right while allowing space on the left. Such a complicated game plan suggests afghan have studied our team and identified the left flank as less dangerous than the right. Anyone know who was on the left v right wing and fb for us? We lacked players that go past players 1v1, but Quintal did just that when he came on and made an impact with he’s directness. We have of a lot of midfielders who are neat and tidy but lack some punch in the final third, a shame the likes of Younis aren’t available. How did Quintal go? I only just saw his assist when rounding the keeper, he looks like he has some skill. He made a great impact, took players on and changed the game for us. yeah to break down a deep block you need 1) first touches and handling speed tight enough to threaten through z14 2) good shooting from range 3) good aerial threat 4) good 1v1 ability 5) good finishing The senior roos have 1 out of 5, this group has 2 out of 5 but quintal does seem to supply some 1v1. Irankunda, bennie, younis and caputo all missing for various reasons who could make a difference too Some highlights for the interested https://x.com/FootballAUS/status/1838368242227953802 Nice round up, agree you need multiple things to break down a deep block it’s something Aus football teams in general have struggled for awhile now so it’s something it needs improving badly. the law of large numbers works against us. From what I observe we either have players with good first touch and handling speed, or are good aerially and atheletically, or are good at 1v1 or can hit a long shot with the best managing 2. If we had twice as many to choose from you start to get more diversity in your skills Not every a league club has an academy right? I think until we get 14 a league academies, a 2nd division and a national youth league the net isn't cast wide enough. I'm curious what happens with these state ais's and whether that helps It’s clear we need these kind of players when facing international football from senior to youth, Arnie bemoaned we lacked players with 1v1 ability so it’s problem we are facing at senior level. When he did he say this, Barca? He said it after the Bahrain game I think, someone asked why we struggled to create against deep block defences and Arnie said something of the lines of we lacked players with 1v1 ability. Interesting? There are younger Aus players who have the 1v 1 skills, but he probably hasn't had a number of them on the pitch at the same time.
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+x+xIt’s been 15 years but the NC needs a review, take the good things that have come in and look at the things we are missing or we have lost in that period. I’ve checked the FA website and the document looks to be gone so maybe an update? From watching the youth teams over the years it seems we are a bit weak in creating and scoring goals which is interesting considering the SAP phase teaches the 4 core skills so technically the players are better but maybe we lack a cutting edge to our players?
It’s not to say there is some such as Irankunda but other countries to tend to do fairly better in creating these kind of players more than us.
In my view we are running up against the shortcomings of centralization. The ntc had some low hanging fruit - phasing out ball free fitness training as well as excercizes that have either people standing around or have little to do with a realistic game skill. The last version they put shooting in the same category as passing and crossing which had the effect of shooting being underemphasized. Hey, they fixed this, which is great! The lack of centralism was identified as a massive problem by Baan and Berger et al. They identified a lack of consistency in coaching quality as the major problem in Aus.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xone interesting thing about the game is that for the first 25 minutes there was no z14 play from australia, we overrelied on the wings and afghan would commit 2 players wide to double team the australian attacker, rendering us completely ineffective At 25min on we started playing the ball on the deck centrally through their block. This caused afghanistan to defend narrow (which you would expect). However, they would still double team us on the right while allowing space on the left. Such a complicated game plan suggests afghan have studied our team and identified the left flank as less dangerous than the right. Anyone know who was on the left v right wing and fb for us? We lacked players that go past players 1v1, but Quintal did just that when he came on and made an impact with he’s directness. We have of a lot of midfielders who are neat and tidy but lack some punch in the final third, a shame the likes of Younis aren’t available. How did Quintal go? I only just saw his assist when rounding the keeper, he looks like he has some skill. He made a great impact, took players on and changed the game for us. yeah to break down a deep block you need 1) first touches and handling speed tight enough to threaten through z14 2) good shooting from range 3) good aerial threat 4) good 1v1 ability 5) good finishing The senior roos have 1 out of 5, this group has 2 out of 5 but quintal does seem to supply some 1v1. Irankunda, bennie, younis and caputo all missing for various reasons who could make a difference too Some highlights for the interested https://x.com/FootballAUS/status/1838368242227953802 Nice round up, agree you need multiple things to break down a deep block it’s something Aus football teams in general have struggled for awhile now so it’s something it needs improving badly. the law of large numbers works against us. From what I observe we either have players with good first touch and handling speed, or are good aerially and atheletically, or are good at 1v1 or can hit a long shot with the best managing 2. If we had twice as many to choose from you start to get more diversity in your skills Not every a league club has an academy right? I think until we get 14 a league academies, a 2nd division and a national youth league the net isn't cast wide enough. I'm curious what happens with these state ais's and whether that helps It’s clear we need these kind of players when facing international football from senior to youth, Arnie bemoaned we lacked players with 1v1 ability so it’s problem we are facing at senior level. When he did he say this, Barca? He said it after the Bahrain game I think, someone asked why we struggled to create against deep block defences and Arnie said something of the lines of we lacked players with 1v1 ability. Interesting? There are younger Aus players who have the 1v 1 skills, but he probably hasn't had a number of them on the pitch at the same time. Not sure the reasoning but it goes back to one of my points that it’s difficult for young Australian attackers to get opportunities to play when foreign and experienced players are favoured more. Arnie can only pick who is doing well and playing regularly.
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+x+x+xIt’s been 15 years but the NC needs a review, take the good things that have come in and look at the things we are missing or we have lost in that period. I’ve checked the FA website and the document looks to be gone so maybe an update? From watching the youth teams over the years it seems we are a bit weak in creating and scoring goals which is interesting considering the SAP phase teaches the 4 core skills so technically the players are better but maybe we lack a cutting edge to our players?
It’s not to say there is some such as Irankunda but other countries to tend to do fairly better in creating these kind of players more than us.
In my view we are running up against the shortcomings of centralization. The ntc had some low hanging fruit - phasing out ball free fitness training as well as excercizes that have either people standing around or have little to do with a realistic game skill. The last version they put shooting in the same category as passing and crossing which had the effect of shooting being underemphasized. Hey, they fixed this, which is great! The lack of centralism was identified as a massive problem by Baan and Berger et al. They identified a lack of consistency in coaching quality as the major problem in Aus. Yeah i guess a ntc helps improve the floor. In brisbane when i played 45 minutes was training session then a mini match, in cairns we had lots of running and standing around. So the worst quality was poor. I think its probably similar in the education sector where a national curriculum helps remedial schools meet a minimum but the top schools innovate and deviate from it to be even better. Id guess ajax arent exactly the same as knvb but have their own subtle spin on things
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Barca4Life
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+x+x+x+xIt’s been 15 years but the NC needs a review, take the good things that have come in and look at the things we are missing or we have lost in that period. I’ve checked the FA website and the document looks to be gone so maybe an update? From watching the youth teams over the years it seems we are a bit weak in creating and scoring goals which is interesting considering the SAP phase teaches the 4 core skills so technically the players are better but maybe we lack a cutting edge to our players?
It’s not to say there is some such as Irankunda but other countries to tend to do fairly better in creating these kind of players more than us.
In my view we are running up against the shortcomings of centralization. The ntc had some low hanging fruit - phasing out ball free fitness training as well as excercizes that have either people standing around or have little to do with a realistic game skill. The last version they put shooting in the same category as passing and crossing which had the effect of shooting being underemphasized. Hey, they fixed this, which is great! But it means almost everyone from a whole generation has the same shortcoming and we have to put our hopes in the rare exceptions (tilio, bernando, irankunda, kuol) to come good. I'm sure the next version could potentially have another flaw. In powerhouse euro countries, the federation will give out something very similar to our centralized curriculum, but then you have knowledgable technical directors each going in their own direction at different clubs. So all your eggs are not in one basket. At minimum, you get a bigger variety of profiles of players, but you also have these club academies competing against each other I floated P&R as a possible necessity to bring in this competition between academies. But that might be a long way away...I wonder if there is some way academies can be made to compete against each other in the short term... Finishing definitely needs to improve so it’s good it’s being rectified.
Agree with you on the clubs, they tend to develop the players instead and the federation just acts as the regulator not sure if they have a national curriculum of any sorts.
Could the clubs lead the way?
Maybe, however I’m not sure if we have enough clubs that can put the resources and knowledge into place to develop talent that is required for international football.
It doesn’t help that we only have 11 pro clubs and so many at semi pro standard at NPL level, in a way I get why the FA have released FA academy pathway to give more opportunities to talented players if they not in a aleague set up.
I hate the word academy it gets thrown out a lot, but it shows there is room to grow in the youth development space if the FA feel they need to do this. England have a ntc. With a vpn u can do the lowest level course for free. The dutch have knvb, pretty much every country would have a ntc. The onus is on the clubs to innovate and treat it as a base. The ntc ensures a minimum quality is met That would make sense, in the end it’s only just a base for the clubs to follow and go from there.
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Barca4Life
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I’m curious if there is a stat on how many match minutes Australian attackers get on average compared to other outfield players plus the GK get.
That would be interesting to see if that theory had any evidence.
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grazorblade
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+xI’m curious if there is a stat on how many match minutes Australian attackers get on average compared to other outfield players plus the GK get. That would be interesting to see if that theory had any evidence. At aleague level or abroad?
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Barca4Life
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+x+xI’m curious if there is a stat on how many match minutes Australian attackers get on average compared to other outfield players plus the GK get. That would be interesting to see if that theory had any evidence. At aleague level or abroad? Aleague level
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grazorblade
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+x+x+xI’m curious if there is a stat on how many match minutes Australian attackers get on average compared to other outfield players plus the GK get. That would be interesting to see if that theory had any evidence. At aleague level or abroad? Aleague level might do some stats. Wonder if there is anywhere I can get team sheets from several seasons ago. Transfermarkt might have it
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+xfinished 2-0 we missed a penalty in all that and some really, really gettable chances our shooting is just awful The ntc has improved the floor in coaching standards out of site, problem with our system where there is no p&r and therefore no desperate arms race in youth development is it is also our ceiling. If there is a flaw in the ntc, a whole generation of players have the same flaw. In this case underemphasizing shooting. So now our first touch, handling speed and ability to be effective with a poor body shape has imporved to the point can play through a deep block only do gently nudge the ball wide or straight at the keeper For a long time and a long time ago the Japanese national team had this problem. Skill in most other areas but just couldn't score reliably. It would be interesting to see what changed in their coaching system. Maybe nothing, maybe it was just natural evolution along with the development of the J League and huge growth in popularity of and participation in football. But now Samurai Blue are rabid scorers.
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+x+xfinished 2-0 we missed a penalty in all that and some really, really gettable chances our shooting is just awful The ntc has improved the floor in coaching standards out of site, problem with our system where there is no p&r and therefore no desperate arms race in youth development is it is also our ceiling. If there is a flaw in the ntc, a whole generation of players have the same flaw. In this case underemphasizing shooting. So now our first touch, handling speed and ability to be effective with a poor body shape has imporved to the point can play through a deep block only do gently nudge the ball wide or straight at the keeper For a long time and a long time ago the Japanese national team had this problem. Skill in most other areas but just couldn't score reliably. It would be interesting to see what changed in their coaching system. Maybe nothing, maybe it was just natural evolution along with the development of the J League and huge growth in popularity of and participation in football. But now Samurai Blue are rabid scorers. They made their own curriculum but their 100 year plan was to have 100 pro clubs, they have expanded like crazy so the law of large numbers works in their favour not sure if there is a short cut I suppose
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youlley bodalato di pizio jovanovic and waddingham all starting along with brace scorer kikianis
going for all out attack here
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grazorblade
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well that was frustrating
Palestine is organized and quite technical! They played well and see no different to an oman, bahrain sort of team
We are quite good at getting into good areas but just panic and can't hit the side of a barn. At least finishing can improve with age more than other aspects of technique
waddingham and jovanovic look like players that if the a league season was a proper length could really develop into players that could go places. Still could. Really good at finding space in tight areas. Big season coming up. Think caputo is even better. But they need to improve their finishing
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