Benjo
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AndyToddsElbow wrote:petszk wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:Guys tell me something positive. We're one of only 2 A-League teams to have never lost a match in the Asian Champions League. The other is Wellington? :lol: :lol: :lol: Were the only Australian team who are undefeated in Asia. Too easy.
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Shanagar
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Drat, missed it all. Took my daughter to 2 hours of netball training, and napped in the car for 1/2 of that time.
So, did I make the right decision? I'll be a bit annoyed if I find out that I could I have got more sleep at the meeting?
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hotrod
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Hope everyone enjoyed the lip service, I assume. For those not there (either not members or couldn't be arsed) what what discussed???
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Would love for the club to organise a pre-season friendly now against an Asian opponent in Asia so supporters can plan a trip abroad to watch us play... i fear we wont make the ACL for years to come.
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Nate
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Jamieson yesterday, Zahra today.
And yet again, our wide players are not on the same page.
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hotrod
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Well after today I can comfortably say that Zahra will no longer feature in the game day squad lists for Glory. The club does a sterling, bang up job of disenfranchising young players. It's about time they went out and splashed some cash on some more over 30 injured hacks. Who needs youth, they're all just trouble makers that want extra game time so they can get more experience and thus be paid more and send the club broke. ](*,)
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AndyToddsElbow
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Nate wrote:Jamieson yesterday, Zahra today.
And yet again, our wide players are not on the same page. :lol: Think the word Zahra was after was 'epitome'? Oh well, no ones ever accused footballers of being scholars.
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AndyToddsElbow
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hotrod wrote:Well after today I can comfortably say that Zahra will no longer feature in the game day squad lists for Glory.
The club does a sterling, bang up job of disenfranchising young players.
It's about time they went out and splashed some cash on some more over 30 injured hacks.
Who needs youth, they're all just trouble makers that want extra game time so they can get more experience and thus be paid more and send the club broke. ](*,) Yeah I don't see the point of Sernas and Marinkovic, there really is none, especially with all their "underdone" talk (is that legitimately being used as an excuse? ](*,) ). It just completely sells the pre-season expectations down the toilet, it gives too much power to an interim coach and a CEO who doesn't have a footballing background, all making decisions for next season when the future direction of the club hasn't even been secured. If Lowe is around next season then it just proves the club still completely and utterly backwards, all their talk is just lip service with no action, these member forums will achieve sod fuck all, and its time to become an A-League neutral until such time as Sage is gone or Perth 2.0 starts up.
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petszk
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AndyToddsElbow wrote:petszk wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:Guys tell me something positive. We're one of only 2 A-League teams to have never lost a match in the Asian Champions League. The other is Wellington? :lol: :lol: :lol: Oh fuck - I forgot about them (since they can't qualify for it). I was thinking of Heart. (And excluding defunct clubs NZK, GCU & NQF who also have never lost a match in the ACL).
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hotrod
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biscuitman1871
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AndyToddsElbow wrote:hotrod wrote:Well after today I can comfortably say that Zahra will no longer feature in the game day squad lists for Glory.
The club does a sterling, bang up job of disenfranchising young players.
It's about time they went out and splashed some cash on some more over 30 injured hacks.
Who needs youth, they're all just trouble makers that want extra game time so they can get more experience and thus be paid more and send the club broke. ](*,) Yeah I don't see the point of Sernas and Marinkovic, there really is none, especially with all their "underdone" talk (is that legitimately being used as an excuse? ](*,) ). It just completely sells the pre-season expectations down the toilet, it gives too much power to an interim coach and a CEO who doesn't have a footballing background, all making decisions for next season when the future direction of the club hasn't even been secured. If Lowe is around next season then it just proves the club still completely and utterly backwards, all their talk is just lip service with no action, these member forums will achieve sod fuck all, and its time to become an A-League neutral until such time as Sage is gone or Perth 2.0 starts up. Based on what Lowe and Ord said said last night, their squad/recruitment philosophy is, don't lose any of the good WA youth interstate (eg Sainsbury, Makarounas, Taggart etc, etc, etc ....), get the best 23-27 year old Australians available in Australia (accepting that the best players in this category will be playing overseas) and supplement them with overseas players in their mid to late 20s who have played at good clubs but have just not quite cracked it (eg Berisha, all of Adelaide's Europeans) + a quality marquee eg Ono. I think Serns and Marinkovic have been recruited with that in mind. What was clearly said last night was that they they have players at the club who they don't believe are good enough - they don't believe a lot of the younger players are ready yet (if they are getting pumped in the NYL, why would they then perform better in the A League), the older players are coming to the end of their careers (despite being the best trainers at the club). One interesting point was that the Edwards regime had dispensed of the strength and conditioning coach before pre season and he was not replaced. As result, a lot of soft tissue injuries and players not just fit enough. So playing catchup in relation to fitness generally as well as having players coming back from injury and the new players "underdone". Andy Ord made the point very strongly that Rostyn Griffiths will be one of the best players this club has ever had. Edited by biscuitman1871: 27/2/2014 02:04:36 PM
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"Don't lose any of the good WA youth interstate" seems at odds with "the younger players aren't ready yet" and "we have players who aren't good enough"
Where's the missing link here that traditionally has been other clubs taking our 'not good yet' kids and PLAYING THEM until they become good enough?
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biscuitman1871
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f1dave wrote:"Don't lose any of the good WA youth interstate" seems at odds with "the younger players aren't ready yet" and "we have players who aren't good enough"
Where's the missing link here that traditionally has been other clubs taking our 'not good yet' kids and PLAYING THEM until they become good enough? They did say that with the exception of Brandon O'Neill, every player has been given a run in the first team (I thought later that Harry O'Brien hasn't but anyway ...) eg McLaren 10 games for little return etc but he will be a very good player. Declan Kelly said that there was a big difference between the Edwards/Lowe approach to that of Ferguson who had absolutely no interest in the NYL or State League. They were protective/defensive about Da Silva, and pointed out that he has been unavailable for a lot of the season. "He is a 16 year old boy, not a 16 year old man". They did say that of the 600 odd players that have been through the NTC, he and Julius Davies are the stand outs but he still has a lot of work to do.
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Ah, the unity...
Says a a lot about the debacle that is this season.
This is the second dummy spit from Zahra for non-selection this season, one under each coach. The fact he hasn't got much of a look in under any of the coaches at Glory probably says a bit about Zahra's overall quality. I am sure he and the club will part ways this off season.
However, there is no hiding the fact that we have lurched from a "all youth, develop a structure" philosophy to the other extreme of a "put the experienced players out there and they will sort it" approach, and most of our experienced players are either underdone, or getting more immobile due to old age/fatigue (Burns, McGarry and probably also Smeltz, Gallas). In this context, I can understand why some of the fringe players would get frustrated seeing half the team huff and puff their way through matches.
Club seems to be again in that schizophrenic state of actually being in a rebuilding phase, (ie change in direction from Edwards philosophy with new players -incl Gallas, Risdon and even Smeltz) but setting the expectation to 'challenge for finals' as if the team is suddenly now a finished and viable product.
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Benjo
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Fair enough about De Silva, but I still think O'Neill deserves more of a run. The two games he has played in CM for the Glory, he has looked ready for it, even though those games were two years ago.
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Just read biscuitman's reports. Thks for that.
I don't have any problem with the signing of Nebo and Griffiths - they will both be quality - and if you are going to chuck out O'Neill, Cedwards, Cernak, Redwards and hardly play De Silva, then with Burns and McGarry getting slower by the day, you need some reinforcements there.
Sernas, I am still unsure of. I assume the plan is for him to succeed Smeltz at #9, but if that's it, I'd hope that he's get some time there, say in the second half, when Smeltz is knackered.
Whilst its one thing to say the kids aren't ready, you can't keep saying that, cos they will f*** off somewhere else. A lot of them showed a lot of promise and can certainly contribute to the side. You need to have the balls to give them some game time, because trying to develop them in the NYL is only going to get you so far. The point about Maclaren getting 10 games is a bit misleading, as most of those were under Edwards. He won't feel so sure that he will get a look in now. Most fans would be a lot happier with the current regime if some of the kids were still getting some decent time, even just when the new players needed a break due to lack of fitness. What we have seen is far from that, kids get dropped completely as soon as a half fit older player is available to take their spot, and don't even get a chance to play as a sub for them whilst they build up their match fitness.
As for Burns and McGarry being the best trainers, that might be right, but under match conditions, they are getting more and more immobile when they run out 90min.
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The thing that grates me is we are far and away playing much worse than under Edwards. Edwards was hardly lighting the world on fire, but if the youth he was playing was so undercooked and not ready, why are so bloody dreadful with most of them completely out of the picture?
And how can the fans spot the old guard as putting in the worst on field performances and not the coaching staff? I don't care how well they bloody train. If they put out what Burns and McGarry do every week they need to be dropped from the first team.
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I agree about O'Neill. He has been at the club since 2010 and signed a new 2 year deal about three months ago, so if he is not up to it, what's going on? Unfortunately, their main KPI is to make finals and so we have got back to where we have been regularly over recent years. The view that is all about results was not shared by the room. In fact, the strong sentiment from members seemed to be that they would rather have some hope that things were being put in place so they could have some hope that next season will be better, rather than hack out some ugly wins, scrape into 6th place and get knocked out away to Wellington in the first week of the finals. I sensed, that they (Lowe, Ord, Brewer and Kelly) agreed with this, but couldn't say so. Edited by biscuitman1871: 27/2/2014 01:56:16 PM
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hotrod
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GloryB wrote:Just read biscuitman's reports. Thks for that.
I don't have any problem with the signing of Nebo and Griffiths - they will both be quality - and if you are going to chuck out O'Neill, Cedwards, Cernak, Redwards and hardly play De Silva, then with Burns and McGarry getting slower by the day, you need some reinforcements there.
Sernas, I am still unsure of. I assume the plan is for him to succeed Smeltz at #9, but if that's it, I'd hope that he's get some time there, say in the second half, when Smeltz is knackered.
Whilst its one thing to say the kids aren't ready, you can't keep saying that, cos they will f*** off somewhere else. A lot of them showed a lot of promise and can certainly contribute to the side. You need to have the balls to give them some game time, because trying to develop them in the NYL is only going to get you so far. The point about Maclaren getting 10 games is a bit misleading, as most of those were under Edwards. He won't feel so sure that he will get a look in now. Most fans would be a lot happier with the current regime if some of the kids were still getting some decent time, even just when the new players needed a break due to lack of fitness. What we have seen is far from that, kids get dropped completely as soon as a half fit older player is available to take their spot, and don't even get a chance to play as a sub for them whilst they build up their match fitness.
As for Burns and McGarry being the best trainers, that might be right, but under match conditions, they are getting more and more immobile when they run out 90min.
Agree. Taggart, Makarounas, Roux, Sainsbury, Neville. How good are these players??? Glory would want them back at the club in a heart beat paying way too much to secure them. But Glory basically let them walk out the door for free. The start of this season there was a strategy and a plan to retain youth and build on it in the next year or so. A proper fucking strategy. The coach had said not to expect too much this season but expect more in the years to come. Fucking brilliant. It now appears that the younger players are getting pissed off being overlooked for underdone higher paid mercenaries in the vain hope that Glory can fall over the line and play finals football. Woop de fucking do. That being the case, this season has once again been a write-off come Christmas time. There is no strategic view for the team (at least it appears that way from the outside). Sage appears to be continually getting the wrong advice from the wrong people. Are they all "yes" men?? The CEO, though well meaning appears to just be there to appease fans with lip service so as to diffuse situations. What needs to be done is have a right and proper CEO that runs the club and is accountable for its results in line with the boards strategic direction. Get a football director in place to set a proper strategy for the club and have the final say on player recruitment etc to make sure it fits with this strategy. The board and Sage should butt the right out and do what a board should do, provide higher level strategic advice for the overall direction the club should be heading. Seems that there is a lot of micro management going on and dealing with little issues that the club keeps getting drawn back down. Some one needs to man up and start running the club like a proper structured business modelled club. Rant over, I need a coffee and a panadol.
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Benjo wrote:Fair enough about De Silva, but I still think O'Neill deserves more of a run. The two games he has played in CM for the Glory, he has looked ready for it, even though those games were two years ago. De Silva just got me an assist in FM Handheld, actually, whilst O'Neill did yeoman's work as a midfield sub. Football is so much less depressing in there.
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biscuitman1871 wrote:What was clearly said last night was that they they have players at the club who they don't believe are good enough - they don't believe a lot of the younger players are ready yet (if they are getting pumped in the NYL, why would they then perform better in the A League), the older players are coming to the end of their careers (despite being the best trainers at the club). http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/perthglory/news-display/MACLAREN-SHINES-AS-WANDERERS-FALL/86899*Sigh...* I mean, just look at where that link is coming from. Uuugh. And I have no doubts about Rostyn's credentials, I watched him when he was at CCM. His effectiveness under Lowe on the other hand.... And frankly, I don't care if Sernas and Marinkovic become the next Broich and Flores, they should not in any circumstances have been brought in on the recommendation of the INTERIM-coach or at the expense of the pre-season expectations of having to blood youth, which was scrapped so the INTERIM-coach could have the "aim" of making the finals which has promptly failed because they are all "underdone" and this is a reasonable excuse to have. Fark sake.
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The club fed this appetite by sacking Edwards, IMO any player part of this crap, whether they're our best player or youth, should go, they're all poison.
Edited by iridium1010: 27/2/2014 02:35:14 PM
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AndyToddsElbow
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biscuitman1871 wrote:f1dave wrote:"Don't lose any of the good WA youth interstate" seems at odds with "the younger players aren't ready yet" and "we have players who aren't good enough"
Where's the missing link here that traditionally has been other clubs taking our 'not good yet' kids and PLAYING THEM until they become good enough? They did say that with the exception of Brandon O'Neill, every player has been given a run in the first team (I thought later that Harry O'Brien hasn't but anyway ...) eg McLaren 10 games for little return etc but he will be a very good player. Declan Kelly said that there was a big difference between the Edwards/Lowe approach to that of Ferguson who had absolutely no interest in the NYL or State League. They were protective/defensive about Da Silva, and pointed out that he has been unavailable for a lot of the season. " He is a 16 year old boy, not a 16 year old man". They did say that of the 600 odd players that have been through the NTC, he and Julius Davies are the stand outs but he still has a lot of work to do. I agree with the bolded, but towards the end of the season, with only the spoon to play for, when he's been named in the last couple of Thursday squads...of course he should be IN the team if he's listed as available and of course he should be getting more than 10 minutes exposure. He had more playing time as a 15 year old! And yeah, O'Brien hasn't had a look in even when they wrote of Ryan and pre-Nebo. Not sure if he's been injured though.
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Ahaha, fun NYL fact: Perth Glory have not drawn a game all year.
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Oh yeah and all better points made on the last couple of pages then (from what's come out) those that were dealt with at the Member's Forum.
Aren't we meant to have minutes from it online anyway?
Edited by andytoddselbow: 27/2/2014 02:45:59 PM
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biscuitman1871
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AndyToddsElbow wrote:Oh yeah and all better points made on the last couple of pages then (from what's come out) those that were dealt with at the Member's Forum. Not saying you should have been there, but I'm not sure how you can say that if you weren't there
Aren't we meant to have minutes from it online anyway? They said they were going to email presentation materials from last night to members. Expect that will probably be later today.
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biscuitman1871 wrote:Not saying you should have been there, but I'm not sure how you can say that if you weren't there Because people who were there are coming out with the 'Club is great and has direction!' lines and the only actual information that's been released by anyone is that Glory came into the season without a conditioning coach. biscuitman1871 wrote:They said they were going to email presentation materials from last night to members. Expect that will probably be later today. https://twitter.com/PerthGloryFC/status/438630023486922753Quote:PG Fan Forum | This Fan Forum is being recorded and we will try to get the recording up on our web-site ASAP :roll:
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Here it is for all those waiting for wholesale changes 'cause we're travelling not real well ...
Friday, 28 February 2014 [size=6][size=7][size=8]Brisbane Roar v Perth Glory[/size][/size][/size]Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane Kick-off: 7.00pm local (8:00pm AEDT) Referee: Ben Williams Assistant Referee 1: Matthew Cream Assistant Referee 2: Hakan Anaz Fourth Official: Matthew Gillett TV broadcast: 8.0 0pm (AEDT) Live coverage on FOX Sports 1HD, SBS2 and on Sky Sport 2 (New Zealand).
Brisbane Roar squad: 1.Michael THEO, 2.Matthew SMITH (c), 3.Shane STEFANUTTO, 5. Ivan FRANJIC, 7. Besart BERISHA, 8. Steven LUSTICA, 10.HENRIQUE, 11. Liam MILLER, 13.Jade NORTH, 15. James DONACHIE, 16. Jean Carlos SOLORZANO, 17. Matt McKAY, 18.Luke BRATTAN, 20.Matthew ACTON (gk), 22.Thomas BROICH, 23.Dimitri PETRATOS Ins: Nil Outs: Nil Unavailable: 25.George LAMBADARDIS (knee - season)
Perth Glory Squad: 1.Daniel VUKOVIC (GK), 2.Jack CLISBY, 3. Brandon O’NEILL, 5. Rostyn GRIFFITHS, 7. Jacob BURNS, 8. Nebojsa MARINKOVIC, 9.Shane SMELTZ, 10. Jamie MACLAREN, 14.Steven McGARRY, 16.Sidnei SCIOLA MORAES, 17. Chris HAROLD, 18. Jack DUNCAN, 19. Josh RISDON,20.Daniel DE SILVA, 28. Darvydas SERNAS, 36. William GALLAS
Ins: 3. Brandon O’NEILL (promoted) , 10. Jamie MACLAREN (promoted) Outs: Michael THWAITE (suspension-1 week), 25. Riley WOODCOCK (Omitted), Unavailable: Travis DODD (knee - indefinite), Scott JAMIESON (Achilles - indefinite),
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... and you also get a fun Stat from the A League ...
Thomas Brioch has created more goalscoring chances than any other A-League player this season (63), including 10 in his last game against Perth Glory – the most by an A-League player in a single match this season.
What should we do Kenny?
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