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Just out of curiosity!!! How do state federations run their coaching department? Do they have a program that follows the new national curriculum? Does the Technical director of each state federation impose that the NC( national curriculum ) be adhered to ? Do coaches take it into their own hands as to what they will implement in their sessions what the NC is stating? Do coaches just do what they think is best?
Lets just see if the NC is really being implemented!! If you are a technical director of any state federation, please let us know what you are doing in your neck of the woods!!!!!
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as far as i know The technical officer in queensland has given presentations of it to the elite coaches. The development officers have been left to explain it to the rest of the coaches in their zone. Judging by the selections,football and training i am not sure if the ones who attended the presentation understood the 433 system or the curriculum.
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spathi
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krones3 wrote:as far as i know The technical officer in queensland has given presentations of it to the elite coaches. The development officers have been left to explain it to the rest of the coaches in their zone. Judging by the selections,football and training i am not sure if the ones who attended the presentation understood the 433 system or the curriculum.
That is a problem krones3. If the coaches dont understand the 433, how are the players in their teams going to understand?
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krones3
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spathi wrote:krones3 wrote:as far as i know The technical officer in queensland has given presentations of it to the elite coaches. The development officers have been left to explain it to the rest of the coaches in their zone. Judging by the selections,football and training i am not sure if the ones who attended the presentation understood the 433 system or the curriculum.
That is a problem krones3. If the coaches dont understand the 433, how are the players in their teams going to understand? Just from what i have seen. If a coach plays up the middle then even with the 433 his team plays up the middle. If a coach plays long balls then even with the 433 he still plays long balls. The idea behind the 433 is to play a specific kind of football but if coaches don't agree with the philosophy they just play the way they like. This of course defeats the purpose. In their defence they may have decided it was to late to the end of last season to change the way the team plays.They may start this season. I believe a coach with a developed style of play will not readily if ever change to a new system.
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krones3 wrote:spathi wrote:krones3 wrote:as far as i know The technical officer in queensland has given presentations of it to the elite coaches. The development officers have been left to explain it to the rest of the coaches in their zone. Judging by the selections,football and training i am not sure if the ones who attended the presentation understood the 433 system or the curriculum.
That is a problem krones3. If the coaches dont understand the 433, how are the players in their teams going to understand? Just from what i have seen. If a coach plays up the middle then even with the 433 his team plays up the middle. If a coach plays long balls then even with the 433 he still plays long balls. The idea behind the 433 is to play a specific kind of football but if coaches don't agree with the philosophy they just play the way they like. This of course defeats the purpose. In their defence they may have decided it was to late to the end of last season to change the way the team plays.They may start this season. I believe a coach with a developed style of play will not readily if ever change to a new system. I feel that all the relevant coaching information is not being passed on or explained properly to grass roots coaches and parents. For example, SSG's were meant to aid players in getting more touches on the ball in a match. I watched a 7 aside girls match where both teams continually kicked long and scored goals from these long kicks. No attempt was made to control and pass the ball and both teams were actively encouraged from coaches and parents alike; and this was one of the last games of the season! The dynamics of FFA's national curriculum is not being explained thoroughly to the people that need to understand it most imo and that is at grassroots and zonal level. If kids are not tought properly from the start then they will eventually struggle against those who have.
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roos48 wrote:krones3 wrote:spathi wrote:krones3 wrote:as far as i know The technical officer in queensland has given presentations of it to the elite coaches. The development officers have been left to explain it to the rest of the coaches in their zone. Judging by the selections,football and training i am not sure if the ones who attended the presentation understood the 433 system or the curriculum.
That is a problem krones3. If the coaches dont understand the 433, how are the players in their teams going to understand? Just from what i have seen. If a coach plays up the middle then even with the 433 his team plays up the middle. If a coach plays long balls then even with the 433 he still plays long balls. The idea behind the 433 is to play a specific kind of football but if coaches don't agree with the philosophy they just play the way they like. This of course defeats the purpose. In their defence they may have decided it was to late to the end of last season to change the way the team plays.They may start this season. I believe a coach with a developed style of play will not readily if ever change to a new system. I feel that all the relevant coaching information is not being passed on or explained properly to grass roots coaches and parents. For example, SSG's were meant to aid players in getting more touches on the ball in a match. I watched a 7 aside girls match where both teams continually kicked long and scored goals from these long kicks. No attempt was made to control and pass the ball and both teams were actively encouraged from coaches and parents alike; and this was one of the last games of the season! The dynamics of FFA's national curriculum is not being explained thoroughly to the people that need to understand it most imo and that is at grassroots and zonal level. If kids are not tought properly from the start then they will eventually struggle against those who have. True but it depends on who can pick the information more effectievly as others who cant understand it need more help :?
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spathi
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Definitely the grass roots need access to more information. As I understand it the rep coaches can access more information than the grass roots coaches using the online NNC program. The info must be available to all coaches.
BTW I love Barcelona for there youth development, second to none. We should use them as a benchmark. =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d>
Edited by spathi: 5/1/2010 09:26:15 PM
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krones3
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spathi wrote:Definitely the grass roots need access to more information. As I understand it the rep coaches can access more information than the grass roots coaches using the online NNC program. The info must be available to all coaches.
BTW I love Barcelona for there youth development, second to none. We should use them as a benchmark. =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d>
Edited by spathi: 5/1/2010 09:26:15 PM I believe this to be true How fair is that when their own child has an advantage over others who do not have this information. ie if there is a skills test and the rep coach knows what it contains and other don't he simply trains his own kid in the necessary skills to pass the test.
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krones3 wrote:spathi wrote:Definitely the grass roots need access to more information. As I understand it the rep coaches can access more information than the grass roots coaches using the online NNC program. The info must be available to all coaches.
BTW I love Barcelona for there youth development, second to none. We should use them as a benchmark. =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d>
Edited by spathi: 5/1/2010 09:26:15 PM I believe this to be true How fair is that when their own child has an advantage over others who do not have this information. ie if there is a skills test and the rep coach knows what it contains and other don't he simply trains his own kid in the necessary skills to pass the test. This has always been the way in NSW as far as I have witnessed. I can only hope that the introduction of lower age teams for HAL Clubs makes this more clear and honest for the up and comers.
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Money and professionalism should help. But in an age of instant communication there is absolutely no excuse for all the non game secret information to be released to everyone at the same time. It is a disgrace.
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spathi wrote:Definitely the grass roots need access to more information. As I understand it the rep coaches can access more information than the grass roots coaches using the online NNC program. The info must be available to all coaches.
BTW I love Barcelona for there youth development, second to none. We should use them as a benchmark. =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d>
Edited by spathi: 5/1/2010 09:26:15 PM They are now running a Grass Roots Coaching course. I think change like this will take some time to work through the system.
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As far as i concerned i know from a source from The World Game in Lismore their is going to be a Coaching Conference, with a Barca Youth Coach and the FFA Tech Director...http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/australia/unique-opportunity-for-coaches-277837 that should be interesting for any coaches out there who wants to understand the FFAs plans and learning from a world class youth coach from Barcelona into what they do.
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As we all know, there are different types of systems within the 4-3-3. Sometimes the 4-3-3 can be played like a 4-2-3-1. Sometimes your midfield and forward lines can be more 'flat'. And there are other variations.
Which 4-3-3 is being taught?
Personally, I would have preferred that a 4-4-2 with a diamond shaped midfield was mandated. But teaching all the elite youth teams the same system is of course a good idea.
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krones3
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At the moment the FFA State Institute Challenge is being played in Canberra Once again results and details are hard to find. Not really an open door policy at the FFA yet. :(
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krones3 wrote:At the moment the FFA State Institute Challenge is being played in Canberra Once again results and details are hard to find. Not really an open door policy at the FFA yet. :( Mate I live in Canberra and have not heard anything about this state institute challenge. Wish I knew as I would have attended from Monday and posted the results. Edited by spathi: 27/1/2010 12:43:19 PM
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Found 1 result on the NNSW football site: NNSW 3 bt NSWIS 0
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SCORE UPDATE: Game 1: QAS VS Victoria 1 - 1. Game 2 QAS VS ACT 1 - 2. Game 3 QAS VS NT 1 -0.
You would think there would be a specific site set up with photos, reports and possibly video. It is 2010 not 1910
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krones3 wrote:SCORE UPDATE: Game 1: QAS VS Victoria 1 - 1. Game 2 QAS VS ACT 1 - 2. Game 3 QAS VS NT 1 -0.
You would think there would be a specific site set up with photos, reports and possibly video. It is 2010 not 1910 You would think so wouldn't you.
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Ok ive got the table for games played up to Tuesday evening. Wednesday was a rest day. I will update again tomorrow.
Team P W L D F A Diff Points SASI 4 3 0 1 9 2 7 10 FFV 4 3 0 1 8 2 6 10 ACTAS 3 2 1 0 3 2 1 6 NNSWIS 4 1 2 1 6 5 1 4 QAS 3 1 1 1 3 3 0 4 TIS 4 0 1 3 5 6 -1 3 NSWIS 3 1 2 0 1 5 -4 3 FW 3 0 1 2 3 4 -1 2 NT 4 0 3 1 2 11 -9 1 Bonus points system works like this. After all games are played bonus points are awarded to teams who Jan Verslajen, Gary Van Egmond and I believe Han Berger deemed to play both, the most attractive football and the capacity to play to the NNC. The tallies for the round games are kept in house, then the team that is deemed have played most to their liking will receive 5 points to on their tally, second best gets 3 points and 3rd best 1 point.
Edited by spathi: 28/1/2010 11:20:16 AM
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Sorry I tried to enter it as a table but it cam out looking like shit. Hope you can make it out.
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spathi
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Hey krone i put this up for you. where are you???
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spathi wrote:Hey krone i put this up for you. where are you???
Thanks for that its great QLD not doing very well again. I am working shifts at the moment. Edited by krones3: 29/1/2010 02:11:26 AM
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spathi
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No table produced yesterday, sorry. But I do know that Actas beat SASI 3-0.
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up date
Game 1: QAS VS Victoria 1 - 1. Game 2: QAS VS ACT 1 - 2. Game 3: QAS VS NT 1 - 0. Game 4: QAS VS NNSWIS 0 - 2. Game 5: QAS VS WA 2 - 1. Game 6: QAS VS Tas 1 - 1.
QAS not doing well at all If only they got the chance to select the best players.
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I have a question I hope someone may be able to answer or point me in the right direction. I was having a look at the nAtional Curriculum and it mentions; "Community Player and Coach Development Program with links to S2S: a web based tool with over 1600 training exercises."
Where do I find this Coaching Development Program and S2S website?
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roos48 wrote:I have a question I hope someone may be able to answer or point me in the right direction. I was having a look at the nAtional Curriculum and it mentions; "Community Player and Coach Development Program with links to S2S: a web based tool with over 1600 training exercises."
Where do I find this Coaching Development Program and S2S website? Firstly you will have to do an FFA accredited coaching coaches course, im not sure what level you need to access the S2S site though. When you attained a coaches license,I believe you need to register through FFA to be able to access the site. I hope I am correct and am not leading in the wrong direction.
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spathi wrote:roos48 wrote:I have a question I hope someone may be able to answer or point me in the right direction. I was having a look at the nAtional Curriculum and it mentions; "Community Player and Coach Development Program with links to S2S: a web based tool with over 1600 training exercises."
Where do I find this Coaching Development Program and S2S website? Firstly you will have to do an FFA accredited coaching coaches course, im not sure what level you need to access the S2S site though. When you attained a coaches license,I believe you need to register through FFA to be able to access the site. I hope I am correct and am not leading in the wrong direction. Cheers mate, I've got a youth licence but it was done while we were still part of Oceania. Its due for renewal soon so I will look into it then.
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Hey guys i thought this might interest you. A player in my sons Capital football High performance program U/14's, ( south ) well his father works in the Dutch Embassy. Not sure of his position but, asked Capital Football if they would be interested in having Jan Verslajen (AIS head coach and young Socceroo coach) come down and take a session? Response: Ahhhhh yeahhhhhh we'll get back to you!!! So the parent in question after waiting a significant amount of time for a response took it upon himself to ask the squad coach if he would be interested in Jan coming down to take a session? For sure, any time, just say the day, was his response. Not only would boys the love for him come down and take a session but i would learn a great deal as well.
So on Wednesday evening Mr Verslajen turns up to take the session. The boys were so excited, the coach flabbergasted that the AIS head coach would take a session such as this of his own free will. He did not have give up his free time on a Wednesday evening, but he did, shows a great love for the development of the game here in Australia. I for one was very impressed by his presence and so were many other parents.
The session was like no other that the boys had encountered before, lots of technical and tactical work implemented in the same drills, just fantastic, very impressive indeed. He even told the boys that if they ever get the chance! Come to the AIS and watch the sessions that the 16 and 17 year old are doing, you are welcome any time, we start at 4.00 p.m. To top it off my son who always shakes the hand of the coach taking the session, went over to shake Jan's hand. Well done son, you are a very good player keep up the good work, i'll be keeping my eye on you. That line was not repeated to any other of the 15 players he shook hands with, needless to say my son has had a smile on his face since.
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Im sure if the AIS and young Socceroos coach had come to your training session u would have been excited too.
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Hot rumours today on SBSs The World Game that FFF Tech Director Gerard Houlilier will not be coming to FFA Coaching Conference due to family resaons hope they can find a quick replacement asap!
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