Carle will make the squad. The only problem is he has a national manager who does not know his real worth. Under another manager (Guus Hiddink) the best would've been brought out of him lonk ago.

I'm a Nick Carle fan, but I just wondered why there are articles on Nick Carle, saying he's going to give it his all etc. etc., when it can be assumed this applies to all the fringe players who are fighting for spots on the team. Why does 442 and TWG run stories only on Carle? Just curious.

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Riv I'm not particularly interested in what the AFL communtity do I just don't see why we (here on FFT) should shit on each so much.

True, so now go and preach equality on an AFL site (do they have them?) and see how you go.

I like both Holman and Carle and they both bring something different to the team. Holman brings running and work-rate and harassing play, sometimes getting balls others wouldn't get near, and he also draws opposition players off the ball and gives more room for his team-mates. Carle brings technical excellence, trickery, neat passing and is bloody fun to watch. The value of each is different depending on the opposition, weather, location but most of all tactics and formation. And herein lies the answer to who will get the nod, or whether there is room for both in the 23. The way Pim usually lays a team out favours Holman, but if we need a win in the third group match and Pim was willing to gamble on a 4-4-2 then Carle might get the nod in that match (and interestingly that would bring McDonald into the line-up also). But I don't think there's room for both, otherwise one less 'wide' midfielder will be in the 23, such as Vidosic or Garcia, and we need a couple of other wide players to back up Bres and Emo.

Pity we can't clone both Holman and Carle into one person. Maybe that's what our kids will be playing like by 2022, a mixture of high technique and unmatched industry. Here's hopin!

Interesting observation both football and AFL have simalarilties in that movement off the ball, body shape when approaching, holding and distributing are important to fluid play. To think that unless you are committed from birth to only one code of sport gives you less understanding or insight to another sport is a very closed minded view, just remember DR1964 no one owns football it is the world game.
I think Nick should be there, I believe he is capable of pulling off something special given the chance.

I'm with socceroossupporter (not about carle). PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO WATCH MORE THAN ONE SPORT. I personally like all sport and can watch any sport thats on tv and enjoy it. Aussie Rules is not a bad sport, just because someone watches it doesn't mean their opinion is moot. Get over yourselves people.

This vid has been in my sig for quite a while.

Kamaryn please show the "bunch of people" that have bagged out other codes in this thread. I can only think of one user that has pointed out that Socceroossupporter is an ARL supporter. I haven't said anything about the other codes.

afromanGT I agree I don't think Carle really has any chance of getting into the 23.

Tbh, I love the way football fans don't hesitate to pay out AFL, but when AFL does something to play down football they're up in arms about it. Glass houses boys and girls.

It's amusing all the same.

As usual a bunch of people who claim to be football supporters feel they need to bag out those who like other codes. Regardless of your view of holman/carle, shut the hell up when it comes to bagging out people who like football and something else.

I LOVE football and so want to see as many people watching it in Australia as possible. Bagging out socceroossupporter does no good for the game, and is very ANTI-football. You think you are going to convert AFL or NRL supporters by calling them all idiots who can't appreciate skill? That is the most moronic thing I have ever heard. Let football speak for itself, lets positively encourage non-fans into liking football, or else get lost.

Quick, someone start an argument that has been done a hundred times before on this forum.

I don't think Carle realises just how much work he actually has to do here to be in contention.

Meh. He's a coaches player. He does most of his work off the ball than on the ball anyway.

I know what you mean, DR1964. Someone who follows Aussie Rules couldn't possibly know the skill and technique God bestowed upon Nicky Carle.

If you like Australian Rules as well as football... you don't have a deep understanding of football skills and technique.

It's all becoming so clear now. Why didn't I think of it myself? #-o :lol:


[size=3](On a serious note, if football supporters really want to appeal to new supporters and grow the game in Australia, you should refrain from speaking down to Australian Rules and/or rugby league supporters JUST because they choose to follow more than one sport and be understanding and not discriminative. It's extremely counter-productive and will turn people off the game)[/size]

LOL socceroossupporter 4 minutes and 42 seconds is a lot of time on the ball in a football match, perhaps you don't realise how little time with the ball each player actually gets in a game of football.

With respect to Holman he has been doing well at his club but time and time again he has disappointed at National level.

It's a 'joke' how many times haters have used that particular video in futile attempts to discredit Holman.

It's a 'joke' how people can take that video seriously.

It's a 'joke' that people consider Carle (Plays for Crystal Palace and is the clubs official waterboy) better than Holman (Gets regular game time for AZ Dutch champions 2008-2009).

It's a 'joke' that people regard their opinion of these players better than the managers of Crystal Palace, AZ and Australia.

Oh the hilarity. #-o

Edited by socceroossupporter: 14/5/2010 04:30:52 PM

@ madzaman : I honestly wouldn't worry too much about the opinions of an Aussie Rules fan, like socceroossupporter.

Perhaps, it's "the football snob" in me, but I'd be a tad disappointed if someone with socceroossupporter's background actually understood the beauty of Nicky Carle's footballing prowess.

To understand the skill and technique required in football requires a deep understanding of football, which socceroossupporter clearly lacks.

Please do, for soemone to make that many mistakes in one game though... come-on, its a joke!!

Gee... that's a toughie. :lol:

A) The video has been deliberately edited to include Brett Holman's worst moments in the match.
B) The video goes for 4 minutes and 42 seconds and a football match goes for 90 minutes.
C) The video contains highlights of one match.

:cool:

Perhaps I should create a compilation of Nicky 'I can do a neat little trick' Carle's most clumsy moments from one particular match to prove that he's been crap over his whole career? :-"

socceroossupporter i think your signature says it all, we rave on about him as a better alternative to lolman, you clearly support lolman.

well defend this video below....

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PLEASE :roll:

You're forever going to say, "well, you follow the AFL there you are stoopid," whenever you disagree with me, aren't you? :p

1) Not yet, anyway. :)
2) Hey, Jason Culina actually made a choice when he came back to the A-League. He was playing for a top club in PSV and made the a decision to come back to the A-League and took a big personal risk. He turned down a contract with PSV. Carle on the other hand is playing for a minnow like Crystal Palace, has been on the bench as of late and would probably jump in head-first at an opportunity to play for a club like PSV. There is no comparison with Jason Culina and Nicky frickin Carle.
3) I've never been terribly impressed with Carle's contribution during socceroos matches and neither has our coach, apparently. The fact that he can do a few cool tricks with the ball doesn't equate to winning an actual match.

OBVIOUSLY Carle CAN play, because he's playing in the Championship and this alone proves he's a really good footballer. Though, the way everyone carries on about him like he's Harry Kewell is nauseating.

As DR1964 noted he has not "come crawling back", Sydney are fighting to get his signature and are willing to pay a large fee for him.

At palace this season he's got 17 appearances with 8 starts in a turbulent side battling (and surviving) relegation all whilst going into Administration. This is not the type of side that would play some one that only has "fancy dribbling" or what ever it is you said. He has transformed him self into a hard working team player.

1. You've further demonstrated you ignorance about the subject matter. Nicky Carle has not re-joined the HAL.

2. Jason Culina came back to the HAL and he's one of the 1st picked for the Socceroos; of course, with your deep AFL-based knowledge of football you may also have issues with Jason?

3. Nick Carle has only played 12 times for the Socceroos and he's always been creative and added something to the team.

Everyone has an opinion, but to state "he's a dud" or "can't play" is factually incorrect.

Edited by DR1964: 14/5/2010 03:24:09 PM

Wonder if Carle created that video himself to improve his cup chances? :p He'll need all the help he can get.

those skills arent all that good...

i mean sure he is a skilled player but hes up against a league players in that clip. i mean i just dont think he is all that useful. bresciano, emerton, kewell and cahill are all better than him in attack and, in my opinion, more technically skilled. you just dont see it as much cause they arent up against players from the a-league.

One thing that clip shows is how much leaner and fitter Carle is these days. He looks like one of the Newcastle fans in some of those Jets shirts.

I see. So since I like both AFL and the socceroos, but choose not to follow a particular club, that means I will never understand the brilliance (lol) of Nick Carle?:p Give me a break. I may not follow a particular club, but I certainly do watch quite a bit of club football, particularly on justintv. Also attend weekly J-league matches. Furthermore, I actually lied a little bit when I first joined this forum, come to think of it; I used to watch the English Premier League highlights show like a religion back in the 1990s.

For what its worth, I actually did play a lot of football back in high school and primary (Who didn't?).

Carles cool dribblin' n' stuff doesn't count for much in my book.




Admittedly, I don't watch much English football (Quite frankly, I couldn't give a rats about English football... I lost interest a long time ago), but the fact that Nicky Carle has received little to no game time and gone crawling back to the A-League indicates that he is crap.

I also watched all of his matches for the socceroos and from where I was watching, he really isn't anything special, as much as you Carle cultists try to prove otherwise.

Edited by socceroossupporter: 14/5/2010 03:17:12 PM

madsaman that clip is pure G-O-L-D.

It should be shown to every youngster starting out in our game - that's the level of technique to which every Aussie football should aspire.

Those technical skills are taught, nurtured and encouraged in futsal. Let's hope by 2022, every Socceroo can have the sublime touch and technique of Nick Carle.

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