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The thing with the IPL draft, is that most of your value comes from the idea of what you'd be like as a T20 player, not so much your actual skills. Wright and Yardy are two big hitting batsmen, who take wickets. That's, in theory, the perfect T20 player.
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thewestisland wrote:
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Other first-timers who have been included in the highest price bracket include England's Stuart Broad, James Anderson, Graeme Swann, Michael Yardy and Luke Wright.


Wtf?! They're both currently in NZ, playing in one of the weakest domestic competitions in the developed cricket world. Without making significant impact, it should be said.


What are you surprised about? :? They're actually two very good players that a regulars in England's one day and t20 sides.


With all due respect, England's t20 and one-day sides are pretty underwhelming in the scheme of things. Broad and Anderson I fully understand, but Yardy and Wright? Might as well have Jimmy Franklin in there too.


ahem, we're talking about the world t20 champions here ;) :p
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Yardy averages 28 with the bat, at a SR of 111, and has 52 wickets, with an ER of just 6.34, which is pretty phenomonal in T20.

So he deserves to be in that top bracket, Wright, more subscribes to the theory I posted before.
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New Zealand 14-man Twenty20 squad for series against Pakistan starting Boxing Day

Dean Brownlie - Canterbury Wizards
Ian Butler - Otago Volts
James Franklin - Wellington Firebirds
Martin Guptill - Auckland Aces
Brendon McCullum - Otago Volts
Nathan McCullum - Otago Volts
Peter McGlashan - Northern Knights
Kyle Mills - Auckland Aces
Adam Milne - Central Stags
Jesse Ryder - Wellington Firebirds
Tim Southee - Northern Knights
Scott Styris - Northern Knights
Ross Taylor (c) - Central Stags
Luke Woodcock - Wellington Firebirds

13-man Test squad to play Pakistan from January 7

Brent Arnel - Northern Knights
James Franklin - Wellington Firebirds
Martin Guptill - Auckland Aces
Chris Martin - Auckland Aces
Brendon McCullum - Otago Volts
Andy McKay - Wellington Firebirds
Tim McIntosh - Auckland Aces
Jesse Ryder - Wellington Firebirds
Tim Southee - Northern Knights
Ross Taylor - Central Stags
Daniel Vettori - Northern Knights
Kane Williamson - Northern Knights
Reece Young - Canterbury Wizards

30-man preliminary World Cup squad.

Brent Arnel - Northern Knights
Hamish Bennett - Canterbury Wizards
Doug Bracewell - Central Stags
Dean Brownlie - Canterbury Wizards
Ian Butler - Otago Volts
Grant Elliott - Wellington Firebirds
Daniel Flynn - Northern Knights
Martin Guptill - Auckland Aces
Jamie How - Central Stags
James Franklin - Wellington Firebirds
Kyle Mills - Auckland Aces
Adam Milne - Central Stags
Brendon McCullum - Otago Volts
Nathan McCullum - Otago Volts
Peter McGlashan - Northern Knights
Andy McKay - Wellington Firebirds
Rob Nicol - Canterbury Wizards
Jacob Oram - Central Stags
Jeetan Patel - Wellington Firebirds
Jesse Ryder - Wellington Firebirds
Tim Southee - Northern Knights
Shanan Stewart - Canterbury Wizards
Scott Styris - Northern Knights
Ross Taylor - Central Stags
Daryl Tuffey - Auckland Aces
Daniel Vettori - Northern Knights
BJ Watling - Northern Knights
Kane Williamson - Northern Knights
Luke Woodcock - Wellington Firebirds
Reece Young - Canterbury Wizards
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Gooner4life_8 wrote:
ahem, we're talking about the world t20 champions here ;) :p


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Zimbabwe, in theory, are better than Australia at t20 also :)
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Doug Bracewell. Relation to John?
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buddha69 wrote:
Doug Bracewell. Relation to John?


Nephew. His dad (Brendon Bracewell, brother of John) played for NZ also.
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Police warn cricket fans to behave at Boxing Day Test

Wes Hosking and AAP From: Herald Sun December 23, 2010

MISBEHAVING drunks attending the Boxing Day Test against England face big fines and eviction, police have warned.
With cricket officials hoping to see world record crowds at the test, police have warned they will be out in force around the MCG to monitor crowd behaviour and stop drink-drivers.

Acting Superintendent Paul Pottage said booze buses would operate around the area while drunk and unruly fans would be ejected and face on-the-spot fines of up to $478.

"If you have too much to drink I can guarantee it's going to cost you $478 and you will be locked up, evicted and won't see the rest of the game,'' he said.

Acting Superintendent Pottage, speaking outside the grounds today, would not give exact police numbers at the MCG, but said they would be more than adequate.

He said police did not intend to dampen people's fun on the day, but would not tolerate bad behaviour.

"You can sing, you can have a drink, you can make a lot of noise but if you throw objects, if you disrupt the game for other patrons you will be out here and not inside,'' he said.

Cricket Australia chief executive James Sutherland said Boxing Days ticket sales had been strong, with it looking "distinctly" likely a world test record crowd would be reached.

The current record was set in 1961 when 90,800 people packed the MCG to see Australia play the West Indies.

"Based on ticket sales, there’s every indication that we are going to be in the 90,000 region," Mr Sutherland said.

"I think members will be the factor of whether that tips over to establish that record.

"At a time when people sometimes call test cricket into question, it’s a real re-endorsement of the fact that test cricket is super strong and very well supported.''

Mr Sutherland backed police calls for crowds to behave, saying there had been few problems as tests in Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth.

"We expect people to come along, make a lot of noise, have a lot of fun," he said.

"But I guess all of that comes a risk some people will ruin other people’s day, ruin other people’s fun.



"They’re really the people we want to send a message to."

With AAP

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/police-warn-cricket-fans-to-behave-at-boxing-day-test/story-e6frf7kx-1225975477751

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I agree with not throwing objects and etc... but i'd like to see there definition of unruly behaviour, like you can be drunk but not be unruly
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Sledging doesn't win Test matches

Malcolm Conn From: The Australian December 23, 2010

ALL of us celebrating the return of Mitchell Johnson's inswinger as the major reason for Australia's resounding third Test victory in Perth this week are apparently wrong.
According to reports elsewhere, it is the return of sledging that has enabled Australia to level the series one-all heading into the Boxing Day Test in Melbourne.

There we were rejoicing when Johnson, who claimed 0-170 in the first Test and was dropped for the second, suddenly swung a ball away late from prolific left-hander Alastair Cook and was well caught in the gully by Mike Hussey.

Oh the joy when Johnson tailed one back into Jonathan Trott and knocked him over leg before wicket for a lucky four.

The utter disbelief when, just three balls later, another darting inswinger smashed into Kevin Pietersen's front pad. Not even a desperate plea to the video umpire could prevent him from making a duck, 227 fewer than he scored in Adelaide a week or so earlier.

This pre-Christmas smorgasbord got better, with Paul Collingwood lbw to yet another unplayable Johnson inswinger.

Johnson's amazing spell of swing bowling at good pace had netted him 4-7 as England tumbled from 0-78 to 5-98 and never recovered.

There was praise all-round, particularly for Australia's bowling coach, Troy Cooley, and fitness adviser Stuart Karppinen, who rebuilt Johnson's action and strength while he sat out the Adelaide Test and during the lead-up to Perth.

But apparently we've all been looking in the wrong direction.

It wasn't the science and skill of the Australian team's backroom boys combined with Perth's prevailing Fremantle Doctor which put Johnson and Australia back on track. No, it's all that gobbing off on the field that's made the difference.

It's not the return of the inswinger but the return of sledging which seems to have Australia poised to reclaim the Ashes.

And there we were thinking it was skills under pressure which made good sportsmen great.

Being able to move the ball accurately at sustained pace, as Johnson and Ryan Harris did in Perth. Being able to bat in all conditions, including a reinvigorated fast and bouncy WACA Ground wicket, like Hussey and Shane Watson.

Things that allow you to take more wickets and make more runs than the opposition, which our junior coaches told us was the way to win cricket matches.

How embarrassing. All those kids going through the ranks not being taught cricket's most fundamental skill, how to sledge Aussie-style.

No wonder cricket in this country is on the wane. Clearly the Test side has slipped to fourth on the world Test rankings below England and lost four Tests out of five without a victory for the first time in 26 years because the players haven't been noisy enough.

Australia bowls for two days against England in Brisbane for just one wicket, where was all the sledging then?

England declares at 5-620 in Adelaide and wins by an innings for the first time in Australia since claiming an Ashes series in this country 24 years ago. Where was all the sledging then?

Suddenly Australia knocks England over in two sessions in Perth to grab a handy first-innings lead and it's all about the sledging.

From the outside looking in, that kind of behaviour appears like frontrunners being arrogant bullies. The kind of reputation Australia battled with for years as it strode the world slaying all-comers.

Sledging in cricket is the equivalent of footy bringing back the biff.

The majority of cricket fans don't want to see cricketers carrying on like schoolyard brats, just like the majority of footy fans don't want to see players the victims of thuggery.

They want to see good aggressive sport. In cricket that means batting and bowling aggressively, not mouthing off.

The national cricket team doesn't need ugly Australians, it needs smart, skilful Australians.

Yes, there will be words spoken during the heat of battle. Yes, players will be legitimately targeted with short-pitched bowling.

It's all part of a greater game defined by its skill and bravery. The best thing cricketers from both sides can do is get on with the game so the paying public are not robbed of their full quota of 90 overs a day.

Now that's entertainment.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/sledging-doesnt-win-test-matches/story-e6frg7rx-1225975177236

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Question for everyone: What would you rather see in Sydney? Stick with the same line-up and give them one last shot at redemption or blood some new talent. I'd go for the latter myself.
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Not much point blooding too many players now. They're only going to get thrashed by a confident england side, and then possibly ruin their form for the rest of the season. Assuming Pontings finger is fine:

Watson
Katich (If Fit, if not Hughes)
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
White
Haddin
Johnson
Siddle
Beer
Hilfenhaus

No point ringing massive changes now. Give the test hopefulls a full season of Sheffield Shield to audition for the team, give the out of form players one last chance to find some form. Make the big changes after the series. Starting at the top with the Selection Panel.
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I'd take Hauritz over Beer, only change I'd make there. Agree that the selectors need a big shake-up.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
Watson
Katich
Ponting
Clarke
White
Hussey
Haddin
Johnson
Siddle
Hauritz
Harris.

Harris is injured and won't play.
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Watson
Klinger (yes one from left field)
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
Khawaja
Haddin
Johnson
Hauritz
Siddle
Copeland


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Benjo wrote:
I'd take Hauritz over Beer, only change I'd make there. Agree that the selectors need a big shake-up.


Hauritz has clearly taken a dump in Andrew Hilditch's coffee, while simultaneously boning Pontings wife and Sister. The only reasonable excuse for him not playing. But yes, I would pick him over Beer, personally.
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PERHAPS it's because their expectations have been so spectacularly raised by that first-day performance, but it's a fairly subdued Barmy Army that greets the first hour of Australia's second innings. When Phil Hughes is run out for 23 and the man the English love to hate emerges from the tunnel, however, the Army finds full voice at last.

Ricky Ponting makes his way to the wicket, and half the stadium rises - to boo him. To the tune of Guantanamera, the Army begins to serenade the under siege and underperforming captain: ''Sacked in the morning, you're getting sacked in the morning, sacked in the mo-orning, you're getting sacked in the morning.''

When Ponting goes for 20, the chant starts up again, and this time it's so loud you suspect half the Australian fans have joined in too.

They're not much for singing, the Australians, the occasional ''Aussie, Aussie, Aussie. Oi, Oi, Oi'' aside. Which, by the way, brings the brutally true retort: ''You've only got one song.''

The English, though, have got plenty. On day one of this Test, they distributed songbooks to anyone interested; one police sergeant who has volunteered for shifts at the cricket took one, and he's been singing along ever since. ''We need to work on our chants,'' he says. ''We've got nothing.''

Every time Graeme Swann is brought into the attack, the Army sings ''Swann, Swann will tear you apart, again'' to the tune of Joy Division's Love Will Tear Us Apart. When things are quiet - which, to be honest, is not that often - they taunt the Australians with a rendition of their national anthem, with the key words changed to ''God save your queen''. Occasionally, they spice things up with ''You all live in a convict colony, a convict colony, a convict colony'' to the tune of Yellow Submarine, or simply let their minds drift to the picturesque beauty of Lancashire as Bill Cooper - the only person permitted to bring a musical instrument to the games - plays a few bars of the Coronation Street theme song on his trumpet. Reet grand, that.

They dress up, too, these Poms. Swann has his own support flock of half-a-dozen men with bird masks on their faces and feathered wings on their backs. There are men wearing Monty Panesar beards, men dressed as monks, men dressed as women (a disturbingly large number of these, for some reason), and lots of men wearing outfits inspired by the St George cross.

One of these is Vic Flowers - better known to all and sundry as Jimmy Saville (after the English TV host). Flowers knew nothing about the Barmy Army when he first encountered them at the Boxing Day Test in 1998, but it was love at first sight. ''As soon as I saw them I just thought, 'This is it, this is me','' he says.

Flowers describes himself as ''self-unemployed''. ''I spend six months of the year travelling with these guys and the other six hanging out on a Greek island. I don't see much winter, except when I'm in Melbourne.''

Dave Lomax lives in Melbourne and works in a big accounting firm, but there's no doubting where his loyalties lie. Kitted out in a St George cross morph suit - head-to-toe bodyfitting Lycra - with a red tutu, he's suffering in the heat. ''But it's nothing like Adelaide was,'' he says. ''It got up to 35 there, but at least we could move around and find some shade.''

There's no such luck on that front in Melbourne, because seating is allocated. That means Lomax and his mates have found themselves in Bay 13, just across the aisle from the bulk of the Army.

Not so long ago, that would have meant they were stranded behind enemy lines, but not any more. ''It used to be that Bay 13 was just the most extreme Australian bogans, and they'd all just egg each other on,'' says one MCG staffer. ''But now it's the sort of place you can bring families.''

Preferably families who can sing.


sorry for going off track in the goo fest that is the mourning period of England reclaiming the Ashes but this article i think reflects alot about Australian crowds and my huge frustration, nothing original and your normally shouted down or looked like a madman if you try and start something original besides the mexican wave or aussie aussie aussie... WE SHOULD be giving them shit that they have to go home to the cold, the snow, and eastenders while we stay in Australia... Fanatics and GGA are the biggest wankers out and bring nothing original to events

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Hauritz has clearly taken a dump in Andrew Hilditch's coffee, while simultaneously boning Pontings wife and Sister. The only reasonable excuse for him not playing. But yes, I would pick him over Beer, personally.

seems to have, would have him in the team, this might sound crazy after other people but could you play Steve Smith at 8, and Khawaja at 6?

Katich
Hughes
Watson
Hussey
Clarke
Ponting
Haddin
Smith
Johnson
Siddle
Copeland

or alternativley

Katich
Hughes
Watson
Khawaja
Hussey
Clarke
Haddin
Johnson
Haurtiz
Siddle
Copeland

or a mixture of the two... Funky what's your thoughts on Pattinson since your the resident expert on the Bushrangers

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I wouldn't play Smith at 8 purely because that means he would have to be the main spinner, and he's not good enough for that. He needs to go off, work on his batting, and set himself to become a Middle Order batsman, who can spin a bit. If someone tries to get him to focus on his bowling, it'll be a massive waste.

I assume you mean James Pattinson? He's got the right things about him. He's quick, and he moves the ball. Used to be a thin bastard, but he broke his foot at the end of last season and spent the time in the gym, so he's come back with a lot of upper body strength, which has given him some more pace. Still early days, but he's certainly a big potential talent.
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Swanny, such a legend :d :cool:
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So, no Punter for the 5th test. Somone will have to come in, and means Smith will probably retain his spot. I'd say we'll see this:
Watson
Katich/Hughes
Khwaja
Clarke
Hussey
Smith
Haddin
Johnson
Siddle
Beer
Hilfenhaus

Khwaja shouldn't come in, but they'll pick him anyway, and you can't really fault them for that.
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Funky Munky wrote:
Khwaja shouldn't come in, but they'll pick him anyway, and you can't really fault them for that.


Just curious but why shouldn't he come in?
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:
Funky Munky wrote:
Khwaja shouldn't come in, but they'll pick him anyway, and you can't really fault them for that.


Just curious but why shouldn't he come in?


Pretty much the same reasons I outlined before about not making massive changes for this test. He needs more time to develop. Yes, he's had a great start, but you don't want to mis-manage this kind of talent. Give him the rest of this season to prove himself even more, give him some ODI's to give him a feel for international cricket. Putting him in now would be throwing him into the deep end.

In the end, yes he is the best batsman in the domestic scene atm, which is why you can't fault them for picking him, but i think you'd be better off picking someone else, giving Khawaja the best possible chance to develop as a cricketer.
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who would you play instead of Ponting then since he's been ruled out as of today... Khawaja has shadowed for the team in Brisbane and Melbourne so he's the natrual next in line even if he maybe thrown in the deep end... and i don't think picking somebody 30+ would send the best of messages selection wise
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I see the Sydney test as the perfect time to bring him in. The pressure is off a bit, not totally but a bit.
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If Katich is right to play, would it be crazy to make Katich or Hughes bat at #3?
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MidfieldMaestro wrote:
If Katich is right to play, would it be crazy to make Katich or Hughes bat at #3?


I'd be more inclined to have Watson at 3. He is our best batsman at the moment, even though Huss has the runs on the board. Almost always fails to make a sub par score, though, Watson frustrates me that he isn't going on and getting the big scores.
There's always that saying, have your best batsman at 3. Of course this is down the track once Katich is fully fit again.

For the Sydney test I'd go with a top 7 of:
Hughes
Watson
Khawaja
Clarke
Hussey
Haddin
Smith

The future lies in Ponting making a drop down the order to 4/5. This means versatility in sending Watson to 3 and having a youngster open up with Katich which is very necessary. In my team, I'd have to drop Clarke on form.

Katich
Hughes
Watson
Hussey
Ponting
Khawaja
Haddin
Johnson
Harris
Siddle
(insert spin king)

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The Doctor wrote:
who would you play instead of Ponting then since he's been ruled out as of today... Khawaja has shadowed for the team in Brisbane and Melbourne so he's the natrual next in line even if he maybe thrown in the deep end... and i don't think picking somebody 30+ would send the best of messages selection wise


That's exactly what's gotten Australia into these problems in the first place though. Fuck age, Fuck random player recomendations for players who have played 5 games (Cheers Warnie), You pick your best XI, full stop. It doesn't matter if you're only going to get a year or two out of them, if it's a year or two of quality runs, you're better off. You don't pick the batsman who you hope will develop into a quality batsman, you pick the batsman who already is quality.
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