England all out 192.

Edited by sydneycroatia58: 17/1/2012 11:14:06 PM

England all out for 192, Prior salvaged the innings with 70 not out.

Poor Pakistan, they don't get anyone to their home games in the UAE. Most of the crowd are English expats or touring fans :lol: Wonderful modern stadium though.

Pakistan 0/90 in reply to England's first innings of 192.

Broad breaks the opening partnership. 1-114

Squad for Prime Ministers XI to play Sri Lanka in Feb:

Brad Haddin (c), Peter Forrest QLD, Wes Robinson WA, Mitchell Marsh WA, Adam Voges WA, Kurtis Patterson NSW, Dean Solway ACT, Nathan Coulter-Nile WA, Ben Cutting QLD, Michael Nesser QLD, Nathan Lyon SA, Aaron Ayre (12th man) ACT.

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Can somebody please tell me, when Brad Haddin is so horribly out of form and we need to be looking at an alternative keeper, why the hell aren't we having a look at either Hartley or Wade in this match!!!

Oh sorry I forgot, because Tim Paine is injured still, and the selectors are so fixated on Paine that they wont entertain the idea of someone else replacing Haddin so we will just stick with the bloke who can't score more then 20 runs and drops every second catch...

It is strange that Haddin was picked. The more likely choices would have been Wade or Nevill, less so Hartley.

Pretty sure Hartley was the keeper on the most recent Australia A tour?

I don't understand why no one rates Hartley, he bats as well as the much lauded Paine, and is easily the best gloveman in the shield competition.

Well I guess someone had to captain the side.

No, Wade and Paine have been the only keepers for Australia A in recent years. No one rates Hartley above Paine or Wade because his batting record has been terrible over the last few years. It doesn't matter how good he is with the gloves he's got to back it up with the bat.



Voges could have.

Others could have done it, Forrest is one that springs to mind that has captaincy experience

Forrest is shit. Overrated cricketer

Voges is the one that should have captained it with Wade in for Haddin.



Top scorer in the Sheffield Shield averagining nearly 60 suggests otherwise...

Is he actually pulling his finger out for once? Had a rep in NSW for expecting everything to be handed to him without working hard

Yeah, he would've been my choice

Seems to be yeah. Surprised he's 26 now, thought he was still quite young.

He is having a really good season since moving to Queensland, averaging 52 for the season with 3 centuries, almost 4 with an unlucky 94. By way of comparison, Ed Cowan earned his test call up off the back of an average of 48 for the summer for Tasmania with 2 centuries.

And off the back of two brilliant seasons before that. Also, Cowan's in fact averaging 55 and Forrest almost 60.

I just did the averages based off the score cards on the fox sports website, perhaps they weren't compelte.

I realise Cowan has had a good couple of years, I don't begrudge him his chance I think he thoroughly deserves it and makes an excellent combination with Warner, I was just responding to buddha69's comments that Forrest is shit, but clearly that is rubbish based off this summer.



Funnily enough, Cowan had the same problem in New South Whales, his career didn't take off until he left. Now with Forrest having a resurgence since leaving NSW, perhaps there is a trend here that NSW Cricket should be looking at??

I tell you who has been a big disappointment at shield level this summer, from a Queensland perspective at least, is Chris fucking Lynn! So much was expected of him this summer, so far he has scored a massive 119 runs for the summer at an average of 19... top score of 39!

The amount of players who leave NSW and go to another state and succeed is forever increasing.
Instead of other states claiming these players as their own, perhaps they should look to develop their own talent.

Spoken like a true New South Welshman :roll: :lol:

It's not about claiming these players as our own, its about NSW cricket not knowing how to handle young players and other states having to come in and salvage the careers of these blokes who NSW miss-treat.

NSW nearly fucked David Warner's career before it began, it was only this year that they began selecting him for shield games, before that they kept saying "nah nah Davey, your just a t20 player!"

Besides, pot calling the kettle black much? NSW claim Shane Watson and Nathan Hauritz as their own, even though both where developed by Queensland


Edited by RJL25: 18/1/2012 11:03:35 PM

When you have a state with so many talented players, I only envy the NSW selectors job. The only reason these players get a chance is because so many of the national players are NSW players and the constant stream of players getting their chance due to this are consistenly stepping up.

FYI: I don't claim Hauritz or Watson ours. I am aware of their roots.

Your argument is defeated by the fact NSW felt the need to sign Hauritz and Watson...

Also, we all know the NSW bias that existed under the previous Australian selection panel, the old saying that when you received your NSW cap you had your baggy green tucked inside it gave us such great test cricketers as Doug Bollinger, Beau Casson, Phil Hughes, Nathan Hauritz, Phil Jaques and Steven fucking Smith! All have been terrific success stories in the Baggy Green don't you think buddha?

Claiming NSW is superior because of the number of national players you have, when so many of the national players you have are international failures, is a pretty dumb argument to run mate...

and FYI: No one was denying where Forrest and Cowan originally came from either, you brought this silly argument up all by yourself champion!

Bollinger rarely played a poor game in the baggy green.
Casson had 1 or 2 good Shield matches and they gave him a dig when we were searching so desperately for a spinner
Hughes was the next big thing in cricket, still think he can hit the peak with some technical refinement
Jaques ditto Bollinger, rarely played poorly, dropped due to his personality and injury
Smith ditto Hughes, both highly touted, blooded too early.

Hauritz could not even turn the ball, unsure why he got a gig. NSW struggled with spin bowlers, we went out and got one who turned out to be half decent at Shield leve. Hindsight is a wonderful thing on decisions but few can argue that the callups of the players you mentioned deserved their baggy green.

Where did I say people denied where Forrest and Cowan came from? I said states attempted to claim them, not say they were raised there.

Explain what you mean? You say Queensland tried to claim Forrest and Tasmania Cowan, but your saying that NSW didn't claim Watson and Hauritz? You can't have a dig at other states for poaching when NSW has a long history of being the biggest poacher in Australian domestic cricket.

Casson, Smith and Hughes you all say got the baggy green too early, but thats exactly my point! These guys where all picked well before they where ready, simply because of the NSW bias in the selection panel at the time, where as other players like Matty Hayden had to score literally 15,000 first class runs before being given a permanent baggy green!

Even Khawaja, who I rate highly, has been brought into the Australian side too early! He now has been dropped and will have to go away and earn a recall by scoring runs at first class level, BUT THATS WHAT HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Now finally we have a selection panel who award baggy greens on merit, such as with Ed Cowan who has earned his spot over the course of 3 seasons, not 3 matches. Long may it continue!

Edited by RJL25: 18/1/2012 11:36:12 PM

Puhlease. Points in bold are bullshit and you know it.
You cannot compare the likes of Hayden, Hussey to Hughes and Smith. There were copious amounts of batsman in the late 90's early 00's who could play for Aus. In 2008-09, there were hardly any, they gave a cap to a young up and coming player who has a bright future in the game instead of selecting 30+ players in a time when Aussie cricket was going through a changing of the guard.
I agree with you RE: the new selection panel, it's refreshing to see.

Its NOT crap and YOU know it. Tasmania and Queensland may have taken a NSW player each, but both where NSW rejects, NSW poached a current international in Shane Watson... nuff said about that! You started this, not me.

Also you say you can't compare to Hayden and Hussey, because the Aus selectors chose to select a young kid instead of "selecting 30+ players" but champ both Hussey and Hayden where over 30 when they received their call up's! (recall in Hayden's case)

The decision of the previous selectors to continually select young players with 4 shield games of experience under their belts rather then the "30+ players" was a major reason why Australia lost the ashes so embarrassingly last year! and THAT is my point, that these young NSW kids where being given opportunities over older experienced players who had actually EARNED an opportunity and it was to the severe detriment to the Australian cricket team.

Edited by RJL25: 18/1/2012 11:45:20 PM

Tbh I actually would claim Cowan in the sense that he wasn't the player he is now before he came down here. Just as I would claim Maher and MacDonald but not a Mark Cosgrove. I recognise that he learnt his cricket in NSW but if it wasn't for Tasmania he'd probably still struggling to get a game at NSW.