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			    2013 Membership Totals (as of 3/4/2013):
 Collingwood - 70,000+ (Target - 75,000)
 Hawthorn - 57,362 (Target - 65,000)
 West Coast - 55,516
 Richmond - 52,768 (Target - 60,000)
 Essendon - 47,658 (Target - 50,000)
 Adelaide - 45,000+ (Target - 50,000)
 Carlton - 42,128 (Target - 50,000)
 Fremantle - 40,000+
 Geelong - 36,269
 Port Adel. - 35,130
 Sydney - 31,427
 St. Kilda - 30,203
 North Melb - 29,593 (Target - 40,000)
 Melbourne - 29,265 (Target - 40,000)
 Western B - 24,605
 Brisbane - 20.078
 Greater WS - 11,474
 Gold Coast - 11,070
 
                
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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					| Justafan 
                                 
                    
                   
                    
           
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			    Mister Football wrote:A bit of controversy today with only 84,247 turning up at the G for Coll vs Carl when 90k were expected.
 In the other games today:
 
 WCE vs Haw:  38,389
 Geel vs Nth:  34,152
 
 So a healthy average attendance today of 52,263 across 3 games.
 
 Complete Round 2 attendance details:
 
 St. Kilda vs Richmond: 56,783
 Sydney vs Gold Coast Suns: 20,372
 Western Bulldogs vs Fremantle: 19,210
 Brisbane Lions vs Adelaide: 21,308
 Port Adelaide vs GWS Giants: 25,122
 Essendon vs Melbourne: 51,153
 Geelong vs North Melbourne: 34,142
 Collingwood vs Carlton: 84,247
 West Coast Eagles vs Hawthorn: 38,389
 
 Round Total: 351,726
 Round Average: 39,081
 Season Average: 39,866 (after two rounds)
 Think disappointment would be 198k on Fox for Collingwood v Carlton with Sunday FTA AFL getting 613k in the main markets (not sure what games in which state were shown assume Collingwood v Carlton). So would be sub 900k even with Sydney & Brisbane digital numbers. Would be disappointing given the hype of this game. Good bet Melbourne will not reach 40,000 members.                
			    				
			                        
                            
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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					| Condemned666
                                 
                    
                   
                    
           
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			    Round 2 TV ratings:
 Seven/7mate - Fox - Total
 
 Saints vs. Tigers (R2) 681K - TBA - 681K
 
 Bombers vs. Demons (R2) 266K - 155K - 421K
 
 Lions vs. Crows (R2) 192K - 225K - 417K
 
 Swans vs. Suns (R2) 181K - 134K - 315K
 
 Power vs. Giants (R2) 149K - 114K - 263K
 
 Dogs vs. Dockers (R2) 77K - 94K - 171K
 
                
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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					| Krackovich 
                                 
                    
                   
                    
           
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			    Mister Football, do you follow a team or ever actually watch games? Posting exclusively about tv ratings and membership tallies must be incredibly tedious.
 
 Jeez Melbourne are an absolute joke. Seeing the reception the players got walking off the ground was absolutely brilliant. Lynden Dunn's mum calling into SEN afterwards was quite good too.
 
                
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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					| Mister Football
                                 
                    
                   
                    
           
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			    Krackovich wrote:Mister Football, do you follow a team or ever actually watch games? Posting exclusively about tv ratings and membership tallies must be incredibly tedious.
 
 Jeez Melbourne are an absolute joke. Seeing the reception the players got walking off the ground was absolutely brilliant. Lynden Dunn's mum calling into SEN afterwards was quite good too.
 There are many things to interest us in following sport, including the various statistics.                
			    				
			                        
                            
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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					| Condemned666
                                 
                    
                   
                    
           
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			    Statistics: all mr vfl has to hold onto!
 i hear vfl parents are the worst parents in world sport
 
                
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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					| afromanGT 
                                 
                    
                   
                    
           
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			    North didn't deserve that :( though, Geelong should have wrapped it up by kicking straight.                
			    				
			    
                
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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					| Mister Football
                                 
                    
                   
                    
           
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			    Looks like ratings figures are getting harder to source. Here are the top 10 sports broadcasts for the week to Sunday: 1 LIVE: AFL NTH MELBOURNE V COLLINGWOOD FOX FOOTY Sun 16:35 328 2 LIVE: AFL HAWTHORN V GEELONG FOX FOOTY Mon 15:16 314  3 LIVE: NRL ROOSTERS V EELS FOX SPORTS 1 Mon 19:03 302  4 LIVE: NRL EELS V SHARKS FOX SPORTS 1 Sat 17:30 298 5 LIVE: AFL ST KILDA V RICHMOND FOX FOOTY Fri 19:30 270  6 LIVE: NRL WARRIORS V COWBOYS FOX SPORTS 1 Mon 16:00 264  7 LIVE: NRL COWBOYS V PANTHERS FOX SPORTS 1 Sat 19:30 257  8 LIVE: AFL LIONS V ADELAIDE FOX FOOTY Sat 16:30 225  9 LIVE: AFL SUNDAY PRE GAME SHOW FOX FOOTY Sun 16:00 218  10 LIVE: NRL KNIGHTS V RAIDERS FOX SPORTS 1 Sun 18:30 213  Source:  http://www.astra.org.au/ArticleDocuments/116/ASTRAWeek14.0.pdf.aspx               
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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					| Krackovich 
                                 
                    
                   
                    
           
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			    So, Melbourne sack their CEO. He's proven to be inept with the club he's set up but how is giving the boot to an administrator going to fix the way they're getting thrashed on the field? Some of the inept people he's hired in the football department (coach, head of recuiting etc.) would have to go too, otherwise they'll keep producing the same shit results they have for the last 6 years                
			    				
			    
                
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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					| Mister Football
                                 
                    
                   
                    
           
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			    It's a bit of a shambles, and will probably require a few years to fix, maybe longer - but that's nothing unusual.
 Richmond has only made two finals appearances in 31 years, a woeful record (hasn't affected their support one iota).
 
 The Bulldogs haven't made a grand final in 52 years, and have had a few seasons since when they've been on the bottom and have  received their share of thrashings.
 
 It happens.
 
 The unique thing about the Demons is that they were accused of playing for draft picks, ultimately wasted a stack of good draft picks, and are in a position where they need high draft picks more than ever before!
 
 The lesson:  you cannot beat having a good culture in your club.
 
 And that goes for all the football codes.
 
                
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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			    Jesus, how do I ignore users on this message forum?
 In particular Mister Victard?
 
                
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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			    Condemned666 wrote:Jesus, how do I ignore users on this message forum?
 In particular Mister Victard?
 I can definitely help you with that.                
			    				
			                        
                            
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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			    Funky Munky wrote:Condemned666 wrote:Jesus, how do I ignore users on this message forum?
 In particular Mister Victard?
 I can definitely help you with that. Avoid the AFL  thread - problem solved.                
			    				
			                        
                            
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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			    Giants now past 11,500 members, and on track to reach target of 12,500 members for this sesaon:http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/demetriou-has-giant-plans-for-gws-to-be-a-very-big-club-20130409-2hjj1.html The AFL has committed nearly $85 million of funding to the Giants until 2016. The Giants have a modest target of averaging 9,000 at Skoda this season, but by 2016 are aiming for a home average of 20,000, members of between 20,000 and 25,000, and an average of 13,000 at Manuka home games.                
			    				
			                        
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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			    I know it's only 2 rounds in but Port Adelaide weren't much different to Melbourne last year, absolutely smashing the dees in round 1 said a lot I think. Melbourne's strategy of taking rejects from other clubs like Byrnes, Dawes, Pedersen won't work. Maybe Neeld isn't to blame just yet but whoever's responsible for either implementing strategy that or identifying their targets needs to go too. Not to mention how many good draft picks they've wasted over the last few years. Mister Football wrote:It's a bit of a shambles, and will probably require a few years to fix, maybe longer - but that's nothing unusual.
 Richmond has only made two finals appearances in 31 years, a woeful record (hasn't affected their support one iota).
 
 Guess who used to be their CEO.                
			    				
			                        
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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			    Mr Football- According to their latest email the Swans are currently at 33,172 members, an all-time record for them.                
			    				
			    
                
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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			    Quote:I know it's only 2 rounds in but Port Adelaide weren't much different to Melbourne last year, absolutely smashing the dees in round 1 said a lot I think. Melbourne's strategy of taking rejects from other clubs like Byrnes, Dawes, Pedersen won't work. Maybe Neeld isn't to blame just yet but whoever's responsible for either implementing strategy that or identifying their targets needs to go too. Not to mention how many good draft picks they've wasted over the last few years. In a side that hasn't been competitive in 7 years, there's something more at play there. Pretty much all of the club's personnel has changed in that time.                
			    				
			                        
                            
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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			    Krackovich wrote:Mr Football- According to their latest email the Swans are currently at 33,172 members, an all-time record for them. Thanks for the update, I didn't know that. I think the SCG is still under development in parts, so when fully completed next season, you'd think the Swans would stand a good chance of retaining that number of members.                
			    				
			                        
                            
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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			    An article on the Swans membership:http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-09/swans-push-for-longer-season Swans aiming for a rise to 40,000 members in next few years. They are lobbying for an earlier start to the season, 24 rounds, and no NAB cup.                
			    				
			                        
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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			    Quote:They are lobbying for an earlier start to the season, 24 rounds, and no NAB cup. If they scrap the NAB cup they should make it 26 rounds. It'd make it easier to get the draws for teams to .500 and thus a fairer draw.Edited by afromanGT: 11/4/2013 04:25:54 AM                
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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			    afromanGT wrote:Quote:They are lobbying for an earlier start to the season, 24 rounds, and no NAB cup. If they scrap the NAB cup they should make it 26 rounds. It'd make it easier to get the draws for teams to .500 and thus a fairer draw.Edited by afromanGT: 11/4/2013 04:25:54 AM 26 weeks plus 4 weeks finals brings it out to 30 weeks - and I think that's a big ask in the context of having to share ovals with cricket.  It would be good, but the logistics might make it difficult.  24 weeks might just about be the very best the AFL is able to put together, and even then, that's on the very edge of what is possible, especially if the PFA are demanding two byes during the season for OH&S reasons.                
			    				
			                        
                            
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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			    And they can stay there tbh                
			    				
			    
                
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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			    11.mvfc.11 wrote:Why are afl players so unfit that they can't play a 30 week season? Soft IMO. I think its more to do with knocks, corkys,minor injuries and general soreness rather than fatigue.                
			    				
			                        
                            
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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			    Mister Football wrote:afromanGT wrote:Quote:They are lobbying for an earlier start to the season, 24 rounds, and no NAB cup. If they scrap the NAB cup they should make it 26 rounds. It'd make it easier to get the draws for teams to .500 and thus a fairer draw.Edited by afromanGT: 11/4/2013 04:25:54 AM 26 weeks plus 4 weeks finals brings it out to 30 weeks - and I think that's a big ask in the context of having to share ovals with cricket.  It would be good, but the logistics might make it difficult.  24 weeks might just about be the very best the AFL is able to put together, and even then, that's on the very edge of what is possible, especially if the PFA are demanding two byes during the season for OH&S reasons. Two weeks ago you were telling cricket to suck it because the AFL was the main source of income for these grounds. Now it's a "logistical issue"? Wut? If they extend the season that will make the draws fairer and stop the free rides that teams like Collingwood get with .350 draw strength.Edited by afromanGT: 11/4/2013 04:51:33 PM                
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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			    afromanGT wrote:  Two weeks ago you were telling cricket to suck it because the AFL was the main source of income for these grounds. Now it's a "logistical issue"? Wut?
 
 Edited by afromanGT: 11/4/2013 04:51:33 PM
 That's right - cricket should move aside to allow the AFL to extend their season - but they won't without a bit of money thrown in their direction - and unless the AFL open up the cheque book - that's a logistical issue!                
			    				
			                        
                            
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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			    Mister Football wrote:afromanGT wrote:  Two weeks ago you were telling cricket to suck it because the AFL was the main source of income for these grounds. Now it's a "logistical issue"? Wut?
 
 Edited by afromanGT: 11/4/2013 04:51:33 PM
 That's right - cricket should move aside to allow the AFL to extend their season - but they won't without a bit of money thrown in their direction - and unless the AFL open up the cheque book - that's a logistical issue! Yesterday the Age (i think) had an article about the Junction Oval redevelopment being stalled. Seems like getting that done would fix a lot: AFL can extend their season and Cricket Victoria would have a more suitable base. Shield games at Junction Oval and Punt Rd Oval were much, much better than at the G.                
			    				
			                        
                            
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
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