f1worldchamp
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Roar_Brisbane wrote:f1worldchamp wrote: Qld seem to constantly ge the rub of the green (anyone old enough to remember Barry Gommersall will tell you). There seems to be one of those things every year that Qld get away with, like Slater not even getting cited for the elbow to Pierce this year
I'm 99.9% certain that Slater was cited and the match review determined he had no case to answer. Doesn't that prove the point? Roar_Brisbane wrote:f1worldchamp wrote: There's the ongoing fact that Inglis plays for Qld despite the overwhelming evidence that by Origin's own rules he should have played for NSW, which is the worst of Qld recuiting players from every where is seems except Qld.
It goes both ways, you guys seem to forget that. Just recently Tamou, Uate, The Great Scotsman James McManus born in Scotland raised in the NT. 'Just recently', NSW are just trying to catch up. How about Brad Thorn, Ben Te'o, Craig Smith, Tonie Carroll and Karmichael Hunt? Or Adrian Lam, Lote Tuqiri and Petero Civoniceva? Qld have made it an artform.
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Roar_Brisbane
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f1worldchamp wrote: Doesn't that prove the point?
How so? You just stated he wasn't cited which is incorrect. The Match Review Pannel deemed it "accidental". Given how poor the Match Review panel have treated players from QLD in the past, I'm not sure how anyone could claim that as the rub of the green. It's interesting that I see several poster laud Gallen as some sort of hero for his premeditated thuggery in game one yet you guys kick up a stink over this, very strange. Roar_Brisbane wrote:f1worldchamp wrote: There's the ongoing fact that Inglis plays for Qld despite the overwhelming evidence that by Origin's own rules he should have played for NSW, which is the worst of Qld recuiting players from every where is seems except Qld.
It goes both ways, you guys seem to forget that. Just recently Tamou, Uate, The Great Scotsman James McManus born in Scotland raised in the NT. f1worldchamp wrote: 'Just recently', NSW are just trying to catch up. How about Brad Thorn, Ben Te'o, Craig Smith, Tonie Carroll and Karmichael Hunt? Or Adrian Lam, Lote Tuqiri and Petero Civoniceva? Qld have made it an artform.
Well I could list many more names from NSW but I won't. All I see here from you is that it's unacceptable for QLD to do this but it's perfectly fine for NSW to do it. So it does go both ways doesn't? So why are you complaining about this again? Edited by Roar_Brisbane: 22/7/2013 04:23:53 PM
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Roar_Brisbane
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Anyway some talk the last couple of days about us going after Cameron Smith. As much as I love the bloke I really don't want to spend 1.5 million a season on a 31 year old. It's just silly.
I reckon for about 800 to 900K you could snap up Locke and Johnson in a package deal, I'd much prefer that.
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:lol: If you didn't already think the NRL gad no problem bending fans over and fucking them royally, than look no further than this years GF prices.
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99 Problems
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Roar_Brisbane wrote:Anyway some talk the last couple of days about us going after Cameron Smith. As much as I love the bloke I really don't want to spend 1.5 million a season on a 31 year old. It's just silly.
I reckon for about 800 to 900K you could snap up Locke and Johnson in a package deal, I'd much prefer that. I'd go for it. He is still easily the best player in the world and signing almost assures a top 4 finish. I don't see him leaving Melbourne though.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote::lol: If you didn't already think the NRL gad no problem bending fans over and fucking them royally, than look no further than this years GF prices. Those price increases are insane. But they're still half the price of AFL GF tickets.
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It sure is a a terrible rip off - am I right hearing there is no family tickets available at all, no package deals or anything, can't believe the blue singlet game has become this expensive. I was laughing listening this morn the comparison of the WCQ (heck I paid $25 GA x 6) then the manu top tickets and nrl asking $300ish :lol: the radio announcer said Soccer is taking over :lol:
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Prepare for NRL head honchos to commence their whinging when the GF attendance is down significantly this season.
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f1worldchamp
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Roar_Brisbane wrote:f1worldchamp wrote: Doesn't that prove the point?
How so? You just stated he wasn't cited which is incorrect. The Match Review Pannel deemed it "accidental". Given how poor the Match Review panel have treated players from QLD in the past, I'm not sure how anyone could claim that as the rub of the green. So I make the point that Qld players always manage to get away with dirty tactics, and your argument against was that the Match Review Panel let Slater off? When he admitted it was intentional? http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/queensland-fullback-billy-slater-wont-deny-his-elbow-on-nsws-mitchell-pearce-was-deliberate/story-fni3fqyo-1226672814250Roar_Brisbane wrote:Well I could list many more names from NSW but I won't. Maybe because after Tamou, Uate and McManus, there isn't any? Edited by f1worldchamp: 23/7/2013 12:55:23 PM
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Quote:So I make the point that Qld players always manage to get away with dirty tactics, and your argument against was that the Match Review Panel let Slater off? When he admitted it was intentional? The fact that he didn't deny it doesn't mean he admitted it.
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You stated that he wasn't cited which was incorrect. If we always get away with dirty tactics why was he cited and penalized then? The Match Review panel determined that it was accidental. You know just maybe it was accidental. Pearce comes in and hits Slater on the side of the head/neck region, Slater is then somewhat pinned to the ground. He uses his only arm free to attempt to shrug off the tackler and get a faster play the ball. Given that he's also kicking out at the same time also further highlights what I'm saying of him wanting a faster play the ball. [youtube]wO_Zg2x9-SE[/youtube] Given that you've now resorted to making up facts ie Slater admitting that it was intentional, I see no point in discussing this issue with you any further. f1worldchamp wrote:Roar_Brisbane wrote:Well I could list many more names from NSW but I won't. Maybe because after Tamou, Uate and McManus, there isn't any? Edited by f1worldchamp: 23/7/2013 12:55:23 PM I'm shocked, as a die-hard NSW supporter surely you'd know there was more. I found this post quite interesting. Quote:How about this potential Blues ``All Star'' line-up made up of players the Blues poached for their own cause from outside of their own state? 1. Ken Nagas (Bundaberg), 2. James McManus (Scotland), 3. John Hopoate (Tonga), 4. Timana Tahu (Melbourne), 5. Hazem El Masri (Lebanon), 6. Peter Wallace (Melbourne), 7. Peter Sterling (Toowoomba), 8. Dean Pay (Melbourne), 9. Ben Elias (Lebanon), 10. Justin Poore (Bunbury, WA), 11. Ian Roberts (London), 12. Willie Mason (Auckland), 13. Mario Fenech (Malta). Bench: Brad Clyde (Canberra), Joel Monaghan (Canberra), Ryan Hoffman, (Canberra), Craig Polla-Mounter (Ipswich Grammar, via Melbourne) http://rleague.com/forum/horse-racing/Non-New-South-Welshmen-in-NSW-Origin-side_19328/ I guess under some of the ex/current rules some of these players would qualify under where you played your senior footy, etc. But seeing as you ignored that as well, I'd say fair game. Once again I'll say that this has been a two way street. Given that you've already accepted Tamou, Uate and McManus why are you complaining about this again? I've been more than fair in these discussions perhaps it's time for you to accept that you were beaten by a better team.
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:lol: Billy Slater does a lot of shit that's deemed 'accidental'. He's either a) The clumsiest player in the history of rugby league or b) a grub and protected species of the highest order.
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Wow we've actually changed our team. Norman dropped. \:d/ Wallace to the bench. Thaiday to second row. But Oates on the wing is strange, he's a second-rower FFS. Glen in the centers. 99 Problems wrote:Roar_Brisbane wrote:Anyway some talk the last couple of days about us going after Cameron Smith. As much as I love the bloke I really don't want to spend 1.5 million a season on a 31 year old. It's just silly.
I reckon for about 800 to 900K you could snap up Locke and Johnson in a package deal, I'd much prefer that. I'd go for it. He is still easily the best player in the world and signing almost assures a top 4 finish. I don't see him leaving Melbourne though. It would be for the 2015 season so he would actually be 32. He'd only be good for 3 more years. We should be getting the next star player who we can build our team around for the next 10 years not three.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote::lol: Billy Slater does a lot of shit that's deemed 'accidental'. He's either a) The clumsiest player in the history of rugby league or b) a grub and protected species of the highest order. Well I think I've been quite reasonable on that incident, I even forgot to mention that he was not looking at Pearce when all this occurred as well. You can always try and debunk me on this incident if you think I'm wrong. But SydCro I don't know why you seem to get your tanties in a twist over this incident. After all you were lauding Gallen for his premeditated thuggery from game one, even Afro called you out on that. What's Gallen's rap-sheet again? Does it go something along the lines of numerous striking and careless tackling charges, headbutting, the squeezing of an opponents testicles, racial abuse of an opponent and public urination. (Not to mention the possibility of him and his teammates being banned for doping). But yea the skinny kid from Innisfail is the real grub of our game. :lol: Edited by Roar_Brisbane: 23/7/2013 08:18:23 PM
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Funky Munky wrote:TSF, I've already warned Ducky previously about posting Afro's picture on the forums, can you please refrain from posting it again in future. Okay but you have to admit its pretty funny and its not like his ass wasn't splashed all over the Internet and the papers. His third pinky might have been too much though.
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Roar_Brisbane wrote:sydneycroatia58 wrote::lol: Billy Slater does a lot of shit that's deemed 'accidental'. He's either a) The clumsiest player in the history of rugby league or b) a grub and protected species of the highest order. Well I think I've been quite reasonable on that incident, I even forgot to mention that he was not looking at Pearce when all this occurred as well. You can always try and debunk me on this incident if you think I'm wrong. But SydCro I don't know why you seem to get your tanties in a twist over this incident. After all you were lauding Gallen for his premeditated thuggery from game one, even Afro called you out on that. What's Gallen's rap-sheet again? Does it go something along the lines of numerous striking and careless tackling charges, headbutting, the squeezing of an opponents testicles, racial abuse of an opponent and public urination. (Not to mention the possibility of him and his teammates being banned for doping). But yea the skinny kid from Innisfail is the real grub of our game. :lol: Edited by Roar_Brisbane: 23/7/2013 08:18:23 PM Not really getting anything in a twist over this elbow and never denied Gallen is/was a grub, but he is not even close to the protected species that Billy Slater is. Yes I did laud Gallen for what he did in Game 1, and I'd do it again and again, the difference is he was punished for it, and it doesn't matter what you feel about how lenient the punishment may have been, point is he was punished. For the record, I don't think Billy Slater is the biggest grub in the game, more so that he's the most protected species. It will never cease to amaze me the amount of shit he gets away with scot free. Edited by sydneycroatia58: 23/7/2013 09:01:34 PM
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sydneycroatia58 wrote: the difference is he was punished for it, and it doesn't matter what you feel about how lenient the punishment may have been, point is he was punished. Edited by sydneycroatia58: 23/7/2013 09:01:34 PM
The problem with this is that these two incidents are completely different. With Gal it's incredibly obvious for everyone to see he had intent and it was obvious to see what he was doing. So he doesn't really have a leg to stand on to defend a charge. With Slater it would be very harsh to punish him as he would've had a very good defense. First of all he can't see Pearce's head. So with that in mind you can't really say he had intent. Slater would've been able to say I would've had no idea where his head was in relation to his elbow. Not to mention Slater was also clipped around the side of the head before the elbow so he could've said he was somewhat dazed and unsure of where Pearce was. He was also kicking out at the time of the elbow, so he would've been able to say he was trying to get a faster play the ball, not trying to elbow someone. It wouldn't surprise me if he used replays of other play the balls of himself shrugging and kicking trying to get a faster play the ball. Once you put all this together saying it was accidental seems fair. It would be very hard to say it was deliberate.
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I can't stand watching Slater any more he's learnt to much from Bellamy and knows how to exploit rules to his advantage too well. The bastard will have all the room in the world to catch a low flying ball but jump as high and far forward as he can into the opposition knowing that they can't touch him until he hits the ground.
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chillbilly wrote:I can't stand watching Slater any more he's learnt to much from Bellamy and knows how to exploit rules to his advantage too well. The bastard will have all the room in the world to catch a low flying ball but jump as high and far forward as he can into the opposition knowing that they can't touch him until he hits the ground.
Edited by chillbilly: 23/7/2013 10:22:53 PM HOW DARE HE PLAY WITHIN THE RULES?! WHO DOES THAT??!! :evil:
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Billy Slater is not a grub or protected species. He plays tough, and is probably the best fullback of all time. Billy has been penalized plenty over the years, but it's just because he would do anything it takes to win. No doubting he is a little shit sometimes on the field, but he's a top bloke off it and I think he and Smith get a bad rep simply because no one has known how to stop them for a decade
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99 Problems wrote:he and Smith get a bad rep simply because no one has known how to stop them for a decade Absolutely. This is all it comes down to. Rival fans and other clubs are jealous. They'd take him to play for them in a heartbeat and anyone who says otherwise is either a liar or a moron.
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I wouldn't want Billy Slater in my team, more than happy with the fullback I've got now. He's not even the best fullback in the world anymore anyway.
Edited by sydneycroatia58: 24/7/2013 09:57:21 AM
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Wouldn't swap the Prince of Brooky for slater at all, sydcro as mentioned his team doesn't need him either no liars/morons here - hum, well thats debatable on some posters around this place :) Parra for eg need new personel - theyd be liars/morons saying no :) Slater gets away with knees in the back many times defending over his tryline but anyway there's always these scenarios in this game. NRL is consistant protecting their draw card players over the years.
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Quote:Our internal recruitment systems in developing NRL players is excellent eg again this year we see Corey Oates, Jake Granville, Jordan Kahu, Jarrod Wallace. We have made a decision that we need to supplement this system with recruiting experienced players from outside our club which you will see over the next few months From Griffin, I'm not sure how you could call that excellent. Oates has only featured in the last couple of matches, still haven't made my mind up on him yet. Granville played two matches in one of those he was my MOTM. Was then suddenly dumped and hasn't been seen in months. Kahu has shown some real promise but it's been an injury riddled season for him. While Wallace has only played five matches and hasn't been seen in a while. How can you call that excellent? Talk that we will be very active in the next six months of the player market. Given the quality of off contract players left that doesn't fill me with confidence.
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afromanGT wrote:chillbilly wrote:I can't stand watching Slater any more he's learnt to much from Bellamy and knows how to exploit rules to his advantage too well. The bastard will have all the room in the world to catch a low flying ball but jump as high and far forward as he can into the opposition knowing that they can't touch him until he hits the ground.
Edited by chillbilly: 23/7/2013 10:22:53 PM HOW DARE HE PLAY WITHIN THE RULES?! WHO DOES THAT??!! :evil: The weak as piss NRL just haven't caught up to all his antics yet. Took them ages to finally legislate against the 'chicken-wing' tackle and wrestling moves Melbourne were using, then took them just as long to stop Slater sliding into players knees first when trying to stop a try.
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f1worldchamp wrote:afromanGT wrote:chillbilly wrote:I can't stand watching Slater any more he's learnt to much from Bellamy and knows how to exploit rules to his advantage too well. The bastard will have all the room in the world to catch a low flying ball but jump as high and far forward as he can into the opposition knowing that they can't touch him until he hits the ground.
Edited by chillbilly: 23/7/2013 10:22:53 PM HOW DARE HE PLAY WITHIN THE RULES?! WHO DOES THAT??!! :evil: The weak as piss NRL just haven't caught up to all his antics yet. Took them ages to finally legislate against the 'chicken-wing' tackle and wrestling moves Melbourne were using, then took them just as long to stop Slater sliding into players knees first when trying to stop a try. You act like Storm were the only team using the "chicken wing" tackle. If it's in the rules, who gives a shit? It's the other players' faults for not taking advantage of that and playing to the full extent of the rules. Basically, QUIT YO BITCHIN'!
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afromanGT wrote:f1worldchamp wrote:afromanGT wrote:chillbilly wrote:I can't stand watching Slater any more he's learnt to much from Bellamy and knows how to exploit rules to his advantage too well. The bastard will have all the room in the world to catch a low flying ball but jump as high and far forward as he can into the opposition knowing that they can't touch him until he hits the ground.
Edited by chillbilly: 23/7/2013 10:22:53 PM HOW DARE HE PLAY WITHIN THE RULES?! WHO DOES THAT??!! :evil: The weak as piss NRL just haven't caught up to all his antics yet. Took them ages to finally legislate against the 'chicken-wing' tackle and wrestling moves Melbourne were using, then took them just as long to stop Slater sliding into players knees first when trying to stop a try. You act like Storm were the only team using the "chicken wing" tackle. If it's in the rules, who gives a shit? It's the other players' faults for not taking advantage of that and playing to the full extent of the rules. Basically, QUIT YO BITCHIN'! So it's the other teams fault they didn't want to play dirty like the Storm did? :-s
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f1worldchamp wrote:afromanGT wrote:f1worldchamp wrote:afromanGT wrote:chillbilly wrote:I can't stand watching Slater any more he's learnt to much from Bellamy and knows how to exploit rules to his advantage too well. The bastard will have all the room in the world to catch a low flying ball but jump as high and far forward as he can into the opposition knowing that they can't touch him until he hits the ground.
Edited by chillbilly: 23/7/2013 10:22:53 PM HOW DARE HE PLAY WITHIN THE RULES?! WHO DOES THAT??!! :evil: The weak as piss NRL just haven't caught up to all his antics yet. Took them ages to finally legislate against the 'chicken-wing' tackle and wrestling moves Melbourne were using, then took them just as long to stop Slater sliding into players knees first when trying to stop a try. You act like Storm were the only team using the "chicken wing" tackle. If it's in the rules, who gives a shit? It's the other players' faults for not taking advantage of that and playing to the full extent of the rules. Basically, QUIT YO BITCHIN'! So it's the other teams fault they didn't want to play dirty like the Storm did? :-s How is it playing dirty if it's within the rules? :-S
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It's the rugby league cycle. The best teams push the rules to the limits, to the point were the rules are changed. It's how we got the 6 tackle rule, the 20 meter restart, the downtown rule and why they are looking to change the rule regarding downfield kicks going dead in goal.
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