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WastedYouth
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The Swiss Super League. The perfect example: ''Stadiums should be built to hold the average attendance with the option of expanding''***(All figures rounded)(Numbers are from last season)(Stadiums were bulit at differnt time therfore the cost changes due to the currency at the time)*** FC BaselSt. Jakob-Park Average crowd 29,000 Highest crowd 38,500 Stadium capacity 38,500 Can be expanded to 45,000 Cost: About 220 million AUD  Neuchatel XamaxStade de la Maladière Average crowd 5,000 Highest crowd 12,000 Stadium capacity 12,000 Can be expanded to 18,000 Cost: About $200 million AUD  FC LuzernSwissporarena Average crowd 8,000 Highest crowd 9,000 Stadium capacity 17,000 Can be expanded to 20,000 Cost: Estimated 200 million AUD  BSC Young Boys BernStade de Suisse, Wankdorf Average crowd 21,000 Highest crowd 31,000 Stadium Capacity 32,000 Can be expanded to 45,000 Cost: About 350 million AUD  FC ThunArena Thun Average crowd 5,000 Highest crowd 9,500 Stadium capacity 10,000 Can be expanded to 13,500 Cost: Estimated 100 million AUD  FC St. GallenAFG Arena Average crowd 13,000 Highest crowd 19,500 Stadium capacity 19,500~20,000 Can be expanded to 27,000 Cost: About 340 million AUD  This is just a few of almost all stadiums in Switzerland with expandable capacities. What do you think? Edited by nhub24: 11/7/2011 05:18:06 PM
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i approve....
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FB
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I think you're living in fantasy land.
Edited by FB: 11/7/2011 05:02:46 PM
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Timmo
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Like it and you can also used MLS as an example HOWEVER there is such a thing called money and this just wouldn't happen overnight.
We pretty much have the stadiums in place except probably the main issues are
Brisbane and Sydney playing in under half-full capacity during the regular season
gold Coast united which is an entirely different problem altogether and I don't see anyone needed to build a 3rd stadium on the Gold coast.
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we've already taken a step in the right direction with aami park which has a capacity of 30,050 and can be expanded
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WastedYouth
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FB wrote:I think you're living in fantasy land.
Edited by FB: 11/7/2011 05:02:46 PM I'm not saying it will happen, it's just an idea. Money and other factors are the issues.
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The FC Thun stadium would be perfect for us.
Edited by MaxiiGCU: 11/7/2011 05:07:41 PM
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nhub24 wrote:FB wrote:I think you're living in fantasy land. I'm not saying it will happen, it's just an idea. Money and other factors are the issues. ie. it's a fantasy.
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WastedYouth
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MaxiiGCU wrote:The FC Thun stadium would be perfect for us.
Edited by MaxiiGCU: 11/7/2011 05:07:41 PM It would make a good atmosphere, being close to other fans ;)
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Heart_Fan10 wrote:we've already taken a step in the right direction with aami park which has a capacity of 30,050 and can be expanded wasn't there a statement that came out saying the builders had fracked up and it couldn't be expanded?
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MaxiiGCU wrote:The FC Thun stadium would be perfect for us.
Edited by MaxiiGCU: 11/7/2011 05:07:41 PM And it is. Now if only Clive would dig into his pockets and just build you one! -PB
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RedshirtWilly wrote:Heart_Fan10 wrote:we've already taken a step in the right direction with aami park which has a capacity of 30,050 and can be expanded wasn't there a statement that came out saying the builders had fracked up and it couldn't be expanded? Because of the roof, yes.
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nhub24 wrote:The Swiss Super League. The perfect example:
''Stadiums should be built to hold the average attendance with the option of expanding'' i'm not sure where you got this from but most stadiums are not built this way at all.
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going to Mars would be cool to, doesn't mean its practical
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bit of a lol at the estimated costs attached to the pics, way under reality. GCU stadiums is fine the way/size it is, it's the club thats the problem.
But for fantasy purposes, AFG stadium is about the ideal stadium for pretty much all the clubs in the league.
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kapow!
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nhub24 wrote: The perfect example:
Cost: About $200 million AUD
Cost: Estimated 200 million AUD
Cost: About 350 million AUD
Cost: Estimated 100 million AUD
Cost: About 340 million AUD
What do you think?
I think cost is a big problem.:)
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Roadie wrote:RedshirtWilly wrote:Heart_Fan10 wrote:we've already taken a step in the right direction with aami park which has a capacity of 30,050 and can be expanded wasn't there a statement that came out saying the builders had fracked up and it couldn't be expanded? Because of the roof, yes. that's ashame still a great stadium, melbourne derby atmosphere was amazing
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kapow! wrote:nhub24 wrote: The perfect example:
Cost: About $200 million AUD
Cost: Estimated 200 million AUD
Cost: About 350 million AUD
Cost: Estimated 100 million AUD
Cost: About 340 million AUD
What do you think?
I think cost is a big problem.:) Were not Zimbabwe, we do have some money ;) That's the issue though.
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I agree, it'd be fantastic to have boutique stadiums, but because of money and football not being #1 in this country, It's not going to happen. If football was #1 in this country, I have no doubt we'd have multi millionaires throwin millions of dollars at the game for stadiums. Every time I go past Harold Park Trots in Glebe on the bus or in the car I have fantasies that I am a multi-millionaire and is going to build Sydney FC the sexiest, boutique, 20-25,000 seat stadium that will be our fortress. Unfortunatly they're knocking it down and building high-rise apartments.
WOLLONGONG WOLVES FOR A-LEAGUE EXPANSION!
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kapow!
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nhub24 wrote:kapow! wrote:nhub24 wrote: The perfect example:
Cost: About $200 million AUD
Cost: Estimated 200 million AUD
Cost: About 350 million AUD
Cost: Estimated 100 million AUD
Cost: About 340 million AUD
What do you think?
I think cost is a big problem.:) Were not Zimbabwe, we do have some money ;) That's the issue though. haha not sure we have a spare billion lying around. :)
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Heineken wrote:I agree, it'd be fantastic to have boutique stadiums, but because of money and football not being #1 in this country, It's not going to happen. If football was #1 in this country, I have no doubt we'd have multi millionaires throwin millions of dollars at the game for stadiums.
Every time I go past Harold Park Trots in Glebe on the bus or in the car I have fantasies that I am a multi-millionaire and is going to build Sydney FC the sexiest, boutique, 20-25,000 seat stadium that will be our fortress. Unfortunatly they're knocking it down and building high-rise apartments. +1
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nhub24 wrote:''Stadiums should be built to hold the average attendance with the option of expanding'' Unless every game is a sell out or gets the exact same crowd the average attendance will always be lower than the highest attendance. If you built a stadium to accommodate your average attendance then your average attendance will be lower because the higher games that produced that average would be impossible. You would end up with a shrinking stadium.
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Our stadiums aren't that bad. The only teams with stadia considerably larger than attendance is Sydney and Brisbane. I think better investment would be in training venues ie. What CCM are doing.
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Benchwarmer wrote:The only teams with stadia considerably larger than attendance is Sydney and Brisbane. Actually, Heart need a significantly smaller stadium to play in. They might fill Casey Fields for non-derby games.
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I think the biggest issue in regards to stadiums is the lack of ownership,or at the very least the stadium deals, as opposed to the size of the stadiums.
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notorganic wrote:Benchwarmer wrote:The only teams with stadia considerably larger than attendance is Sydney and Brisbane. Actually, Heart need a significantly smaller stadium to play in. They might fill Casey Fields for non-derby games. funny how we were only under 1000 people on average from having the 3rd highest crowd averages in the league behind adelaide and victory Edited by heart_fan10: 11/7/2011 05:52:45 PM
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Joffa wrote:I think the biggest issue in regards to stadiums is the lack of ownership,or at the very least the stadium deals, as opposed to the size of the stadiums. This is exactly right. People keep mentioning stadiums, but we are at a point where MVFC, MH, AU, NJ, CCM, PG, GCU all play in smaller sized stadiums. Gold coast have the issue with the location and parking etc, but realistically, the main benefit of building our own stadiums would be ownership. The main person who could help this issue is one Lowy. I dont expect him to or say he should. Peoples money is their own business. But owning a few stadiums would be one of the bigger gifts that could be given to the A-league.
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Benchwarmer wrote:Our stadiums aren't that bad. The only teams with stadia considerably larger than attendance is Sydney and Brisbane. I think better investment would be in training venues ie. What CCM are doing. Wellington, Heart, Newcastle and Perth, Adelaide need a more modenized stadium.
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Heart_Fan10 wrote:notorganic wrote:Benchwarmer wrote:The only teams with stadia considerably larger than attendance is Sydney and Brisbane. Actually, Heart need a significantly smaller stadium to play in. They might fill Casey Fields for non-derby games. funny how we were only under 1000 people on average from having the 3rd highest crowd averages in the league behind adelaide and victory Please don't take this as a personal attack, but you're too stupid to weigh into this discussion.
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nhub24 wrote:Benchwarmer wrote:Our stadiums aren't that bad. The only teams with stadia considerably larger than attendance is Sydney and Brisbane. I think better investment would be in training venues ie. What CCM are doing. Wellington, Heart, Newcastle and Perth, Adelaide need a more modenized stadium. That point actually has some legs i remember a story a while back that Adelaide United is building or is planing to build more corporate facilities to cash in on that end of the market. It’s probably an area that has not been well catered for by a-league clubs with the exception of MV.
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Timmo wrote:We pretty much have the stadiums in place except probably the main issues are
Brisbane and Sydney playing in under half-full capacity during the regular season
gold Coast united which is an entirely different problem altogether and I don't see anyone needed to build a 3rd stadium on the Gold coast.
this but I do think Sydney need to find somewhere other than Sydney Football Stadium, I know that place is the epicentre, but having that stadium fill up with only 8000 people on average looks quite bad, tbh when watching the roosters and the waratahs, the place looks empty majority of the time i see it
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kapow!
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spectacular291 wrote:Timmo wrote:We pretty much have the stadiums in place except probably the main issues are
Brisbane and Sydney playing in under half-full capacity during the regular season
gold Coast united which is an entirely different problem altogether and I don't see anyone needed to build a 3rd stadium on the Gold coast.
this but I do think Sydney need to find somewhere other than Sydney Football Stadium, I know that place is the epicentre, but having that stadium fill up with only 8000 people on average looks quite bad, tbh when watching the roosters and the waratahs, the place looks empty majority of the time i see it They could try filling it? Their stadium deal is break even at worse.
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kapow! wrote:spectacular291 wrote:Timmo wrote:We pretty much have the stadiums in place except probably the main issues are
Brisbane and Sydney playing in under half-full capacity during the regular season
gold Coast united which is an entirely different problem altogether and I don't see anyone needed to build a 3rd stadium on the Gold coast.
this but I do think Sydney need to find somewhere other than Sydney Football Stadium, I know that place is the epicentre, but having that stadium fill up with only 8000 people on average looks quite bad, tbh when watching the roosters and the waratahs, the place looks empty majority of the time i see it They could try filling it? Their stadium deal is break even at worse. Very True. I'm really hoping that season memberships are good this year
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Personally, I think stadiums are an over-rated issue.
If we (Sydney FC) were playing out of homebush, then it would be a pressing issue. I still don't see why so many people complain about the SFS though. It's 10 minutes walk from Central. Wherever you play from, there will be Sydney-siders who live reasonably far away. I don't continually hear issues with the Swans at the SCG or the Waratahs or the Roosters etc. The real issue is that the crowds are too low. That's a club problem, not a stadium problem.
I haven't been to the other grounds but they all look pretty good to me.
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nhub24 wrote:kapow! wrote:nhub24 wrote: The perfect example:
Cost: About $200 million AUD
Cost: Estimated 200 million AUD
Cost: About 350 million AUD
Cost: Estimated 100 million AUD
Cost: About 340 million AUD
What do you think?
I think cost is a big problem.:) Were not Zimbabwe, we do have some money ;) That's the issue though. Deep down in the contract's fine print, state that all prices are in Zimbabwean dollars. Then all clubs could afford one. Or three! Edited by tomw: 11/7/2011 06:49:19 PM
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nhub24 wrote:Benchwarmer wrote:Our stadiums aren't that bad. The only teams with stadia considerably larger than attendance is Sydney and Brisbane. I think better investment would be in training venues ie. What CCM are doing. Wellington, Heart, Newcastle and Perth, Adelaide need a more modenized stadium. Heart are playing in the most modern rectangular stadium in Australia Newcastle's stadium has a newly redeveloped western stand. Perth's stadium is planning to redevelop the Eastern stand. Adelaide (I've heard) are one of the few teams to make a profit on matchday. Their stadium size is, according to your preference, ideal. All modern stadia built by the government are owned by the government. When was the last time a sporting club built a modern stadium with minimal government assistance?
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tomw wrote:nhub24 wrote:kapow! wrote:nhub24 wrote: The perfect example:
Cost: About $200 million AUD
Cost: Estimated 200 million AUD
Cost: About 350 million AUD
Cost: Estimated 100 million AUD
Cost: About 340 million AUD
What do you think?
I think cost is a big problem.:) Were not Zimbabwe, we do have some money ;) That's the issue though. Deep down in the contract's fine print, state that all prices are is Zimbabwean dollars. Then all clubs could afford one. Or three! ZWD$200mil is about AUD$500k
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Interesting plan...now come up with one to get the clubs the money they'd need...:lol:
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paulbagzFC wrote:MaxiiGCU wrote:The FC Thun stadium would be perfect for us.
Edited by MaxiiGCU: 11/7/2011 05:07:41 PM And it is. Now if only Clive would dig into his pockets and just build you one! -PB Expecting someone to spend 100m of their own money for a stadium is a bit much, isn't it?
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Joffa wrote:I think the biggest issue in regards to stadiums is the lack of ownership,or at the very least the stadium deals, as opposed to the size of the stadiums. This Really its only a few stadiums that are an issue, all stadiums in Queensland because of the unbelievably stupid stance of Stadiums Queensland who sent the Fury broke, sent the Roar broke (twice) and have only failed to send GCU broke due to the vast cash reserves of Clive Palmer. Other then that, the Sydney Football Stadium wouldn't be a problem if Sydney FC would live up to their potential and get the kind of average crowds they should be getting, Newcastle is fine, CCM is fine, Victory is fine, Phoenix is fine, Heart need bigger crowds but they have only been going one season so cut them some slack, Adelaide have a perfect stadium, and Perth seem to have a very good stadium too. The problem is that the clubs simply don't own their own stadiums though, thats the issue because it prevents them from having an additional source of revenue like the european clubs do. But look at MLS, they eventually built their own stadiums, but it didn't happen over night, it takes time!
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stadium ownership is not the be all and end all of it, it's the return generated from the stadium thats the problem. If owning the stadium would fix the problem maybe it's the answer but the maintainence of a club owned stadium isn't cheap and with the limited use it would get from an a-league club it would have to be whored out to all and sundry to be profitable. Very few club in Italy own their own stadiums though there is a bit of move towards it.
Virtually none of the AFL clubs own their own stadiums but some clubs generate huge income from the ones they play out of simply due to having a rental policy that allows it.
Clubs must have the ability to generate income to the best of their ability from the stadium they operate out of, and the answer to doing this isn't going to be the same for all clubs due to huge variables from club to club.
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Timmo wrote:
gold Coast united which is an entirely different problem altogether and I don't see anyone needed to build a 3rd stadium on the Gold coast
what?? gold coast could use a third stadium, something that fits about 12k and can be used for concerts/gold coast soccer events would be great
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redsfan wrote:stadium ownership is not the be all and end all of it, it's the return generated from the stadium thats the problem. If owning the stadium would fix the problem maybe it's the answer but the maintainence of a club owned stadium isn't cheap and with the limited use it would get from an a-league club it would have to be whored out to all and sundry to be profitable. Very few club in Italy own their own stadiums though there is a bit of move towards it.
Virtually none of the AFL clubs own their own stadiums but some clubs generate huge income from the ones they play out of simply due to having a rental policy that allows it.
Clubs must have the ability to generate income to the best of their ability from the stadium they operate out of, and the answer to doing this isn't going to be the same for all clubs due to huge variables from club to club. stadiums which are too large for a club will have a negative influence on crowed figures.. that one of the key reasons MLS clubs moved into ssmaller venues, it actually boosted average crowd figures by downgrading.. like a nightclub.. too much open space and people wont go there
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Its unreasonable to expect A-league clubs to be building $100 million + stadiums. However controlling the revenue from the stadium is the key. Take a look at Metricon Stadium on the Gold Coast. The Suns don't own it but have a great deal. What makes it such a windfall for the AFL's newest club is the fact that they have a "clean" stadium, which means they have sole management rights of the venue.
Any income generated, such as signage and food and beverage sales, goes into club coffers.
The Suns can also hire out the venue in summer to cricket or as a concert venue.
Unlike other AFL arenas with naming-rights sponsors, such as Etihad Stadium, Patersons Stadium in Perth and AAMI Stadium in Adelaide, the Suns do not have to share the income.
It gives the Suns a significant advantage over cross-town rivals the Titans, who are not direct beneficiaries of the income from the naming-rights contract at Skilled Park.http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2011/03/15/299455_gold-coast-afl.htmlEdited by Sirocco: 11/7/2011 09:34:11 PMEdited by Sirocco: 11/7/2011 09:38:32 PM
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icoulddoitbetter wrote:Timmo wrote:
gold Coast united which is an entirely different problem altogether and I don't see anyone needed to build a 3rd stadium on the Gold coast
what?? gold coast could use a third stadium, something that fits about 12k and can be used for concerts/gold coast soccer events would be great Honestly, what GCU needs is a little stadium, a cheap little 3,000 seat grandstand on either side, and a hill at both ends. Problem is the FFA won't allow it because its not up to Fox Sports broadcast standards.
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RJL25 wrote:
Problem is the FFA won't allow it because its not up to Fox Sports broadcast standards.
If Foxtel can broadcast NRL games from places like Brookvale and Leichardt Oval then they shouldn't be demanding better stadiums from the A-league. Edited by Sirocco: 11/7/2011 09:39:54 PM
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icoulddoitbetter wrote:Timmo wrote:
gold Coast united which is an entirely different problem altogether and I don't see anyone needed to build a 3rd stadium on the Gold coast
what?? gold coast could use a third stadium, something that fits about 12k and can be used for concerts/gold coast soccer events would be great And what to do with skilled park for 6 months?
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Timmo wrote:icoulddoitbetter wrote:Timmo wrote:
gold Coast united which is an entirely different problem altogether and I don't see anyone needed to build a 3rd stadium on the Gold coast
what?? gold coast could use a third stadium, something that fits about 12k and can be used for concerts/gold coast soccer events would be great And what to do with skilled park for 6 months? Thats Stadiums Queensland's problem, let them sort it out! Might make them realise that they are massive cunts who are operating the PUBLICALLY OWNED stadiums as a business for profit, rather then as a PUBLICALLY OWNED asset for the public to enjoy
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Sirocco wrote:RJL25 wrote:
Problem is the FFA won't allow it because its not up to Fox Sports broadcast standards.
If Foxtel can broadcast NRL games from places like Brookvale and Leichardt Oval then they shouldn't be demanding better stadiums from the A-league. Edited by Sirocco: 11/7/2011 09:39:54 PM I thought the guidelines set by the AFC stated that the stadiums should be of 10000 person capacity? I didn't know Fox Sports had standards to follow. (Although it wouldn't be a surprise) As for people telling Sydney to move, the previous CEO, Edwin Lugt, stated a few times that they were locked in to the stadium deal for another 5 years or something, so moving out probably isn't an option.
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I said in a blog a long while back now that the FFA should have a future fund for infrastructure stadium works - to at least contribute to building/improvements.
The A-League went too big with its stadium choices in many cities - there's nothing wrong with playing out of a humble 10-15,000 person capacity ground if that suits your attendances and thus paying less for it. If you make the AFC comp, great - most cities have an AFL stadium or a 'big' rectangular venue. Use them. Not ideal for those games, but a much better option than losing loadsamoney.
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Doesn't have to be state of the art...  13k seats, approx $25m to build at today's costs (plus land-costs). Probably a bit more to build in Australia because of the way our builders work (Gyfox would be able to give a more accurate number).
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Benjamin wrote:Doesn't have to be state of the art... 13k seats, approx $25m to build at today's costs (plus land-costs). Probably a bit more to build in Australia because of the way our builders work (Gyfox would be able to give a more accurate number). Is that Saputo? They have to upgrade it to join the MLS, to the tune of $23m from the Quebecois government.  
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dale1878 wrote:Benjamin wrote:Doesn't have to be state of the art... 13k seats, approx $25m to build at today's costs (plus land-costs). Probably a bit more to build in Australia because of the way our builders work (Gyfox would be able to give a more accurate number). Is that Saputo? They have to upgrade it to join the MLS, to the tune of $23m from the Quebecois government. 25 million ay....AAMI cost 300 million?
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nhub24 wrote:25 million ay....AAMI cost 300 million? AAMI Park is a state of the art facility; Stade Saputo is scaffolding, seats and turf.
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Sirocco wrote:RJL25 wrote:
Problem is the FFA won't allow it because its not up to Fox Sports broadcast standards.
If Foxtel can broadcast NRL games from places like Brookvale and Leichardt Oval then they shouldn't be demanding better stadiums from the A-league. Edited by Sirocco: 11/7/2011 09:39:54 PM Exactly. Look at the places Sky Sports go to during the FA Cup. Fox just needs to pull its head out of its arse. And anyone who says Skilled Park is enough for GCU, has cleary never been to the stadium and realised how far out of the way of anything it is. -PB
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RJL25 wrote:Timmo wrote:icoulddoitbetter wrote:Timmo wrote:
gold Coast united which is an entirely different problem altogether and I don't see anyone needed to build a 3rd stadium on the Gold coast
what?? gold coast could use a third stadium, something that fits about 12k and can be used for concerts/gold coast soccer events would be great And what to do with skilled park for 6 months? Thats Stadiums Queensland's problem, let them sort it out! Might make them realise that they are massive cunts who are operating the PUBLICALLY OWNED stadiums as a business for profit, rather then as a PUBLICALLY OWNED asset for the public to enjoy Stadiums Queensland will sort it out, one quick phone call to big brother and you'll soon start seeing all the road blocks you could possibly imagine. The fact governments invest in stadiums means you'll be lucky to ever get a rival stadium to be considered let alone approved by the same government to compete with the nice big and expensive political statement down the road.
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dale1878 wrote:nhub24 wrote:25 million ay....AAMI cost 300 million? AAMI Park is a state of the art facility; Stade Saputo is scaffolding, seats and turf. does it even have seats or is it bench seating?
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nhub24 wrote:The Swiss Super League. The perfect example:
FC Basel
St. Jakob-Park
Average crowd 29,000
Highest crowd 38,500
Stadium capacity 38,500
Can be expanded to 45,000
Cost: About 220 million AUD
THIS IS PRETTY MUCH SFS OR ETIHAD STADIUM (ALREADY EXPANDED).
Neuchatel Xamax
Stade de la Maladière
Average crowd 5,000
Highest crowd 12,000
Stadium capacity 12,000
Can be expanded to 18,000
Cost: About $200 million AUD
THIS IS WHERE GOLD COAST SHOULD BE PLAYING
FC Luzern
Swissporarena
Average crowd 8,000
Highest crowd 9,000
Stadium capacity 17,000
Can be expanded to 20,000
Cost: Estimated 200 million AUD
THIS ONE SHOULD BE BUILT IN HOBART ;-)
BSC Young Boys Bern
Stade de Suisse, Wankdorf
Average crowd 21,000
Highest crowd 31,000
Stadium Capacity 32,000
Can be expanded to 45,000
Cost: About 350 million AUD
THIS ONE IS PRETTY MUCH AAMI PARK
FC Thun
Arena Thun
Average crowd 5,000
Highest crowd 9,500
Stadium capacity 10,000
Can be expanded to 13,500
Cost: Estimated 100 million AUD
THIS IS SOUTH MELBOURNE'S GROUND @ LAKESIDE OVAL (EXPANSION IN PROGRESS)
FC St. Gallen
AFG Arena
Average crowd 13,000
Highest crowd 19,500
Stadium capacity 19,500~20,000
Can be expanded to 27,000
Cost: About 340 million AUD
THIS IS WHAT PERTH GLORY NEEDS!!!
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Heart_Fan10 wrote:we've already taken a step in the right direction with aami park which has a capacity of 30,050 and can be expanded In its current "elegant form" it cannot be expanded. That design was pushed to its ultimate limit when it was taken from 20,000 to 30,000 capacity. Sure the foundations were constructed to take greater loads but that was done pretty much as an afterthought with no realistic design in mind. I am advised by a stadium architect who has seen the sketches for the expansion scheme that it something you really wouldn't want to do.
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nhub24 wrote:dale1878 wrote:Benjamin wrote:Doesn't have to be state of the art... 13k seats, approx $25m to build at today's costs (plus land-costs). Probably a bit more to build in Australia because of the way our builders work (Gyfox would be able to give a more accurate number). Is that Saputo? They have to upgrade it to join the MLS, to the tune of $23m from the Quebecois government. 25 million ay....AAMI cost 300 million? With the upgrade its around $50M which works out to around $4k a seat. This is a bottom end stadium cost. This /seat cost doesn't include works outside the stadium structure which can be very expensive. At $9K a seat AAMI Park ($268M) is at the top end of stadium costs behind only the iconic large capacity stadiums. Edited by gyfox: 12/7/2011 09:53:29 AM
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Gyfox wrote:Heart_Fan10 wrote:we've already taken a step in the right direction with aami park which has a capacity of 30,050 and can be expanded In its current "elegant form" it cannot be expanded. That design was pushed to its ultimate limit when it was taken from 20,000 to 30,000 capacity. Sure the foundations were constructed to take greater loads but that was done pretty much as an afterthought with no realistic design in mind. I am advised by a stadium architect who has seen the sketches for the expansion scheme that it something you really wouldn't want to do. I also doubt AAMI Park would also be expanded. There isn't really any space to expand it and maintain its look.
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Here's a thought - I know Lowy is the FFA chairman, but how about approaching him with something like this:
Build a new state of the art Westfield, say in Brisbane. Adjoining it can be a 15K stadium. Big development and investment I know.
Brisbane Roar get to play there for free. 90% of ticket sales, food and merchandising goes back to Westfield to recoup investment. At a certain point the stadium becomes property of BR, assuring their future forever.
Imagine the opportunities to place their own signage there, naming rights, the lot - it would really help bring the money into the club.
They can still make a deal with Suncorp to play 2-3 matches a season there, but most of the home games to be played at home.
You can play around with the numbers, but if a way can be found to make them stack up it could be a winner.
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thupercoach wrote:Here's a thought - I know Lowy is the FFA chairman, but how about approaching him with something like this:
Build a new state of the art Westfield, say in Brisbane. Adjoining it can be a 15K stadium. Big development and investment I know.
Brisbane Roar get to play there for free. 90% of ticket sales, food and merchandising goes back to Westfield to recoup investment. At a certain point the stadium becomes property of BR, assuring their future forever.
Imagine the opportunities to place their own signage there, naming rights, the lot - it would really help bring the money into the club.
They can still make a deal with Suncorp to play 2-3 matches a season there, but most of the home games to be played at home.
You can play around with the numbers, but if a way can be found to make them stack up it could be a winner. Similar idea has been suggested before - but the answer always seems to be that Lowy shouldn't be expected to invest such amounts into the game that he loves so much... I've always felt that rather than anyone expecting him to do so, he should WANT to do it. "What's the point of money if you ain't gonna break the mold?" - as a diminutive musician once said.
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Benjamin wrote:thupercoach wrote:Here's a thought - I know Lowy is the FFA chairman, but how about approaching him with something like this:
Build a new state of the art Westfield, say in Brisbane. Adjoining it can be a 15K stadium. Big development and investment I know.
Brisbane Roar get to play there for free. 90% of ticket sales, food and merchandising goes back to Westfield to recoup investment. At a certain point the stadium becomes property of BR, assuring their future forever.
Imagine the opportunities to place their own signage there, naming rights, the lot - it would really help bring the money into the club.
They can still make a deal with Suncorp to play 2-3 matches a season there, but most of the home games to be played at home.
You can play around with the numbers, but if a way can be found to make them stack up it could be a winner. Similar idea has been suggested before - but the answer always seems to be that Lowy shouldn't be expected to invest such amounts into the game that he loves so much... I've always felt that rather than anyone expecting him to do so, he should WANT to do it. "What's the point of money if you ain't gonna break the mold?" - as a diminutive musician once said. Which is why I said that the numbers have to be made to stack up - if we go to FL for a handout that's one thing, but as a low risk venture to get that money back and leave a legacy in the process that could be something he could look at.
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danp638 wrote:dale1878 wrote:nhub24 wrote:25 million ay....AAMI cost 300 million? AAMI Park is a state of the art facility; Stade Saputo is scaffolding, seats and turf. does it even have seats or is it bench seating? Individual seats.  They saved a lot on construction by keeping it very very simple (single banks of seating, no roof, 'basic' facilities beneath/behind the stands, etc.) - but I'd argue that very very simple is the perfect model for any venue of 10-20k seats. Build it simple, start generating your own income, then improve with a second phase once you can stand on your own feet (in much the same way as we're seeing with the expansion plans there).
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Ah yes, it's school holidays isn't it?
It's ok to dream, but don't ever let yourself believe it'll happen.
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Heart_Fan10 wrote:we've already taken a step in the right direction with aami park which has a capacity of 30,050 and can be expanded +1. And now that Tinkler is in charge of the Jets, we'll actually be filling our stadium to a decent percentage in a couple of seasons. I'm expecting crowds of >12k average this season, and that should only increase each season. Sydney, Brisbane and Wellington need different stadiums, and GCU need to figure out how to get their community involved with the club. The interest is obviously there, they've just gotta get the right pricing, advertisement and community interaction to get everyone to show up week in, week out. There needs to be another stadium like AAMI Park in Melbourne so that Victory and Heart each have their own home ground, that way we can ditch Ethiad until the finals series and ensure we have closer to sell-out crowds each week (looks and sounds good on TV=better TV deal). Adelaide have it spot on. Perth aren't too bad either in terms of stadium size, and the Mariners should really be getting higher crowds than what they did last season.
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cardiff10 wrote:Heart_Fan10 wrote:we've already taken a step in the right direction with aami park which has a capacity of 30,050 and can be expanded +1. And now that Tinkler is in charge of the Jets, we'll actually be filling our stadium to a decent percentage in a couple of seasons. I'm expecting crowds of >12k average this season, and that should only increase each season. Sydney, Brisbane and Wellington need different stadiums, and GCU need to figure out how to get their community involved with the club. The interest is obviously there, they've just gotta get the right pricing, advertisement and community interaction to get everyone to show up week in, week out. There needs to be another stadium like AAMI Park in Melbourne so that Victory and Heart each have their own home ground, that way we can ditch Ethiad until the finals series and ensure we have closer to sell-out crowds each week (looks and sounds good on TV=better TV deal). Adelaide have it spot on. Perth aren't too bad either in terms of stadium size, and the Mariners should really be getting higher crowds than what they did last season. No need for another stadium in Melbourne - doesn't make sense when we have a perfectly good venue. Brendan Schwab hit the nail on the head the other week when he suggested that the venue be 're-dressed' for the different franchises. Different signage inside and outside the venue, a few banners, perhaps the large seat covers for unused areas, all of which would be specific to whoever the home side was in any given week. Create the illusion of a difference rather than confronting fans of both sides with the fact "this is not yours".
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Benjamin wrote:cardiff10 wrote:Heart_Fan10 wrote:we've already taken a step in the right direction with aami park which has a capacity of 30,050 and can be expanded +1. And now that Tinkler is in charge of the Jets, we'll actually be filling our stadium to a decent percentage in a couple of seasons. I'm expecting crowds of >12k average this season, and that should only increase each season. Sydney, Brisbane and Wellington need different stadiums, and GCU need to figure out how to get their community involved with the club. The interest is obviously there, they've just gotta get the right pricing, advertisement and community interaction to get everyone to show up week in, week out. There needs to be another stadium like AAMI Park in Melbourne so that Victory and Heart each have their own home ground, that way we can ditch Ethiad until the finals series and ensure we have closer to sell-out crowds each week (looks and sounds good on TV=better TV deal). Adelaide have it spot on. Perth aren't too bad either in terms of stadium size, and the Mariners should really be getting higher crowds than what they did last season. No need for another stadium in Melbourne - doesn't make sense when we have a perfectly good venue. Brendan Schwab hit the nail on the head the other week when he suggested that the venue be 're-dressed' for the different franchises. Different signage inside and outside the venue, a few banners, perhaps the large seat covers for unused areas, all of which would be specific to whoever the home side was in any given week. Create the illusion of a difference rather than confronting fans of both sides with the fact "this is not yours". I don't see why people are complaining about the fact they both play in the same stadium. So do Inter and AC Milan. It's really not a big deal. In fact, I think it adds to the rivalry.
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Benjamin wrote:cardiff10 wrote:Heart_Fan10 wrote:we've already taken a step in the right direction with aami park which has a capacity of 30,050 and can be expanded +1. And now that Tinkler is in charge of the Jets, we'll actually be filling our stadium to a decent percentage in a couple of seasons. I'm expecting crowds of >12k average this season, and that should only increase each season. Sydney, Brisbane and Wellington need different stadiums, and GCU need to figure out how to get their community involved with the club. The interest is obviously there, they've just gotta get the right pricing, advertisement and community interaction to get everyone to show up week in, week out. There needs to be another stadium like AAMI Park in Melbourne so that Victory and Heart each have their own home ground, that way we can ditch Ethiad until the finals series and ensure we have closer to sell-out crowds each week (looks and sounds good on TV=better TV deal). Adelaide have it spot on. Perth aren't too bad either in terms of stadium size, and the Mariners should really be getting higher crowds than what they did last season. No need for another stadium in Melbourne - doesn't make sense when we have a perfectly good venue. Brendan Schwab hit the nail on the head the other week when he suggested that the venue be 're-dressed' for the different franchises. Different signage inside and outside the venue, a few banners, perhaps the large seat covers for unused areas, all of which would be specific to whoever the home side was in any given week. Create the illusion of a difference rather than confronting fans of both sides with the fact "this is not yours". The stadium was made before Heart were even thought of. Therefore they are lucky to have the opportunity. What Heart should of done is made a deal with South Melbourne for the use of Bob Jane Stadium and also developed a juniors program with the club for the future.
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nhub24 wrote:Benjamin wrote:cardiff10 wrote:Heart_Fan10 wrote:we've already taken a step in the right direction with aami park which has a capacity of 30,050 and can be expanded +1. And now that Tinkler is in charge of the Jets, we'll actually be filling our stadium to a decent percentage in a couple of seasons. I'm expecting crowds of >12k average this season, and that should only increase each season. Sydney, Brisbane and Wellington need different stadiums, and GCU need to figure out how to get their community involved with the club. The interest is obviously there, they've just gotta get the right pricing, advertisement and community interaction to get everyone to show up week in, week out. There needs to be another stadium like AAMI Park in Melbourne so that Victory and Heart each have their own home ground, that way we can ditch Ethiad until the finals series and ensure we have closer to sell-out crowds each week (looks and sounds good on TV=better TV deal). Adelaide have it spot on. Perth aren't too bad either in terms of stadium size, and the Mariners should really be getting higher crowds than what they did last season. No need for another stadium in Melbourne - doesn't make sense when we have a perfectly good venue. Brendan Schwab hit the nail on the head the other week when he suggested that the venue be 're-dressed' for the different franchises. Different signage inside and outside the venue, a few banners, perhaps the large seat covers for unused areas, all of which would be specific to whoever the home side was in any given week. Create the illusion of a difference rather than confronting fans of both sides with the fact "this is not yours". The stadium was made before Heart were even thought of. Therefore they are lucky to have the opportunity. What Heart should of done is made a deal with South Melbourne for the use of Bob Jane Stadium and also developed a juniors program with the club for the future. I agree that Heart should be playing out of Lakeside Oval...especially now that it's been refurbished, upgraded and modernised! It will also boast a nice television tower which will meet Foxtel's demands! ;-) 15,000 - as we saw last season - is more than enough for Heart games and we'd get a better atmosphere from having more people in a 'boutique' stadium...at least until our fan base outgrows Lakeside...then we can move back into AAMI Park! For the moment - As Melbounrne Victory play 5 home games at Etihad against the bigger teams - Melbourne Heart would play 5 home games at AAMI Park (i.e. home games against Victory, Sydney FC, Adelaide) and the rest of their home games at Lakeside! The best thing about it is that it's only two km or so down the road from the CBD and still very easy to get to. It'll be cheaper for Heart to use too, which means more money stays in the club. The only thing I don't like about Lakeside is the fact that there's a running track around the field now which means you're further away from the action!
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Red_or_Dead wrote:nhub24 wrote:Benjamin wrote:cardiff10 wrote:Heart_Fan10 wrote:we've already taken a step in the right direction with aami park which has a capacity of 30,050 and can be expanded +1. And now that Tinkler is in charge of the Jets, we'll actually be filling our stadium to a decent percentage in a couple of seasons. I'm expecting crowds of >12k average this season, and that should only increase each season. Sydney, Brisbane and Wellington need different stadiums, and GCU need to figure out how to get their community involved with the club. The interest is obviously there, they've just gotta get the right pricing, advertisement and community interaction to get everyone to show up week in, week out. There needs to be another stadium like AAMI Park in Melbourne so that Victory and Heart each have their own home ground, that way we can ditch Ethiad until the finals series and ensure we have closer to sell-out crowds each week (looks and sounds good on TV=better TV deal). Adelaide have it spot on. Perth aren't too bad either in terms of stadium size, and the Mariners should really be getting higher crowds than what they did last season. No need for another stadium in Melbourne - doesn't make sense when we have a perfectly good venue. Brendan Schwab hit the nail on the head the other week when he suggested that the venue be 're-dressed' for the different franchises. Different signage inside and outside the venue, a few banners, perhaps the large seat covers for unused areas, all of which would be specific to whoever the home side was in any given week. Create the illusion of a difference rather than confronting fans of both sides with the fact "this is not yours". The stadium was made before Heart were even thought of. Therefore they are lucky to have the opportunity. What Heart should of done is made a deal with South Melbourne for the use of Bob Jane Stadium and also developed a juniors program with the club for the future. I agree that Heart should be playing out of Lakeside Oval...especially now that it's been refurbished, upgraded and modernised! It will also boast a nice television tower which will meet Foxtel's demands! ;-) 15,000 - as we saw last season - is more than enough for Heart games and we'd get a better atmosphere from having more people in a 'boutique' stadium...at least until our fan base outgrows Lakeside...then we can move back into AAMI Park! For the moment - As Melbounrne Victory play 5 home games at Etihad against the bigger teams - Melbourne Heart would play 5 home games at AAMI Park (i.e. home games against Victory, Sydney FC, Adelaide) and the rest of their home games at Lakeside! The best thing about it is that it's only two km or so down the road from the CBD and still very easy to get to. It'll be cheaper for Heart to use too, which means more money stays in the club. The only thing I don't like about Lakeside is the fact that there's a running track around the field now which means you're further away from the action! Very true. I can't see it happening anymore though.
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World's best practice these days follows the mantra, "Build it to fill it". Stadiums are sized to cater for the realistic maximum crowd expected with the design capable of being expanded easily in stages should attendance grow.
An ideal stadium for a club would see the club's minimum attendance being no less than 50% capacity of the stadium with the club's maximum attendance approaching 100% capacity of the stadium once or twice a year and with the average attendance hovering near the middle of that range at 75% of the capacity of the stadium. Within these ranges fans do not often feel overcrowded and they do not feel exposed as they do in significantly lesser crowds. Many issues play on the feeling of exposure and it is very individual. A technique often used by stadium operators and hirers is to reduce the areas available for seat allocation so as to increase the fan density. This helps deal with feeling of exposure issues but also reduces operating costs. An example of this is Stadium Australia where often only the lower bowl and corporate levels are utilised. In the Socceroos v Bahrain World Cup Qualifier this was used to great effect. Being a night game and with all lighting in the upper tier turned off the feel of the game was that you were in a near full stadium because the seating that was full was all that could be seen. I don't believe that same feeling would have existed if it was a daytime game such are the vagaries of personal perception. It certainly didn't when I attended there amongst a 30,000 crowd during daylight.
In my view we have four stadiums that match the crowds for the clubs that use them. Bluetongue Stadium (just), AAMI Park (for Victory), Hindmarsh Stadium (arguably too small) and nib Stadium. Most of the other venues are significantly too big to the point where fans are turned off the game because of the emptiness of the venue.
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@Gyfox: How would you solve Sydney's problem with stadia? Build it or move?
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dale1878 wrote:@Gyfox: How would you solve Sydney's problem with stadia? Build it or move? Apparently SFC are locked into the SFS for another 6 years, so this conversation is academic. However,if Sydney got to average 20K it would make it easy to stay at Moore Park. In Sydney's case the focus should be not on reducing the size of the stadium but rather looking to fill it. Getting 10K in a 4 million city is inexcusable, and heads ought to roll for that. Perception in the market place is that SFC is an "Eastern Suburbs" team, so a concerted effort must be made to engage the St George, North and Inner West areas. Not dragging the discussion off topic, just making the point that in a city the size of Sydney before shrinking the stadium we need to think of growing the crowd. In the case of West Sydney whenever they come on board (and they will) IMO Parramatta Stadium is the way to go. The only problem is parking, but that doesn't seem to deter the leagueies. The size of the market warrants the 25-30K capacity stadium that Parra is, and IMO the stadium size is about right.
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nhub24 wrote:Red_or_Dead wrote:nhub24 wrote:Benjamin wrote:cardiff10 wrote:Heart_Fan10 wrote:we've already taken a step in the right direction with aami park which has a capacity of 30,050 and can be expanded +1. And now that Tinkler is in charge of the Jets, we'll actually be filling our stadium to a decent percentage in a couple of seasons. I'm expecting crowds of >12k average this season, and that should only increase each season. Sydney, Brisbane and Wellington need different stadiums, and GCU need to figure out how to get their community involved with the club. The interest is obviously there, they've just gotta get the right pricing, advertisement and community interaction to get everyone to show up week in, week out. There needs to be another stadium like AAMI Park in Melbourne so that Victory and Heart each have their own home ground, that way we can ditch Ethiad until the finals series and ensure we have closer to sell-out crowds each week (looks and sounds good on TV=better TV deal). Adelaide have it spot on. Perth aren't too bad either in terms of stadium size, and the Mariners should really be getting higher crowds than what they did last season. No need for another stadium in Melbourne - doesn't make sense when we have a perfectly good venue. Brendan Schwab hit the nail on the head the other week when he suggested that the venue be 're-dressed' for the different franchises. Different signage inside and outside the venue, a few banners, perhaps the large seat covers for unused areas, all of which would be specific to whoever the home side was in any given week. Create the illusion of a difference rather than confronting fans of both sides with the fact "this is not yours". The stadium was made before Heart were even thought of. Therefore they are lucky to have the opportunity. What Heart should of done is made a deal with South Melbourne for the use of Bob Jane Stadium and also developed a juniors program with the club for the future. I agree that Heart should be playing out of Lakeside Oval...especially now that it's been refurbished, upgraded and modernised! It will also boast a nice television tower which will meet Foxtel's demands! ;-) 15,000 - as we saw last season - is more than enough for Heart games and we'd get a better atmosphere from having more people in a 'boutique' stadium...at least until our fan base outgrows Lakeside...then we can move back into AAMI Park! For the moment - As Melbounrne Victory play 5 home games at Etihad against the bigger teams - Melbourne Heart would play 5 home games at AAMI Park (i.e. home games against Victory, Sydney FC, Adelaide) and the rest of their home games at Lakeside! The best thing about it is that it's only two km or so down the road from the CBD and still very easy to get to. It'll be cheaper for Heart to use too, which means more money stays in the club. The only thing I don't like about Lakeside is the fact that there's a running track around the field now which means you're further away from the action! Very true. I can't see it happening anymore though. AMMI is fine for both teams. It is the perfect size. Even if there only 7k it still seems half full. I thought Bob Jane statdium was geeting bulldozed and rebuild to a smaller capacity stadium with state of the art facilities? The Wellngton "Cake tin" does my head in every time I look at it. alwasy looks empty. Sydneys stadium is a joke. If they will never get over 10K wich is very likley they should have heaps of venues to choose from shouldnt they? since there are so many rectangle rugby stadiums about? BR might get get away with their oversized stadium. If they keep on playing attractive football and lower prices a bit I think they could have a 15K average over the next 2 seasons. GCU? erm maybe a 5K stadium?
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nhub24 wrote:The stadium was made before Heart were even thought of. Therefore they are lucky to have the opportunity. What Heart should of done is made a deal with South Melbourne for the use of Bob Jane Stadium and also developed a juniors program with the club for the future. The suggestions you have made for Heart turn it into the Southern Cross bid which was rejected.
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thupercoach wrote:dale1878 wrote:@Gyfox: How would you solve Sydney's problem with stadia? Build it or move? Apparently SFC are locked into the SFS for another 6 years, so this conversation is academic. However,if Sydney got to average 20K it would make it easy to stay at Moore Park. In Sydney's case the focus should be not on reducing the size of the stadium but rather looking to fill it. Getting 10K in a 4 million city is inexcusable, and heads ought to roll for that. Perception in the market place is that SFC is an "Eastern Suburbs" team, so a concerted effort must be made to engage the St George, North and Inner West areas. Not dragging the discussion off topic, just making the point that in a city the size of Sydney before shrinking the stadium we need to think of growing the crowd. In the case of West Sydney whenever they come on board (and they will) IMO Parramatta Stadium is the way to go. The only problem is parking, but that doesn't seem to deter the leagueies. The size of the market warrants the 25-30K capacity stadium that Parra is, and IMO the stadium size is about right. I agree with you thuper that SFC should be marketing heavily to the inner city area the Peninsula to the north and the Shire to the south. If they start to draw well from these areas they will get a spin off in fans from a bit further away making the effort to get to Moore Park. Just on the academic part of the discussions if we could turn back the clock a couple of centuries and return the main sporting venue to Hyde Park then crowds would be significantly higher because the venue would be located right on or near the main transport hubs of the city. PS. In answer to dale's question a location like Prince Alfred Park for a 20-25,000 seat stadium shared with the Rabbitoh's would be ideal for SFC with bigger games for both going to SFS. Edited by gyfox: 12/7/2011 03:06:49 PM
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Edda wrote:AMMI is fine for both teams. It is the perfect size. Even if there only 7k it still seems half full. I thought Bob Jane statdium was geeting bulldozed and rebuild to a smaller capacity stadium with state of the art facilities? I was in a crowd of 6,500k at AAMI and the place felt empty. Bob Jane has been redeveloped (one stand refurbished, a second stand newly constructed, running track added around the pitch, upgrades to facilities, etc. Should be open in a few months with a capacity of approx 12k.
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Benjamin wrote:Edda wrote:AMMI is fine for both teams. It is the perfect size. Even if there only 7k it still seems half full. I thought Bob Jane statdium was geeting bulldozed and rebuild to a smaller capacity stadium with state of the art facilities? I was in a crowd of 6,500k at AAMI and the place felt empty. Bob Jane has been redeveloped (one stand refurbished, a second stand newly constructed, running track added around the pitch, upgrades to facilities, etc. Should be open in a few months with a capacity of approx 12k. I have very sensative ears and bad eye sight:lol: Cool about BJS I heard thy where going to put a running track in there too. I assume this is not true?. It's nice little stadium that.
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Am I right in saying Lakeside is getting an Athletics track around it under the re-development? Surely that limits potential atmosphere?
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toffeeAU wrote:Am I right in saying Lakeside is getting an Athletics track around it under the re-development? Surely that limits potential atmosphere? We played at Olympic Park and the atmosphere was the best. It depends on the lay out of stadium: all seater, terrace.
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danp638 wrote:RJL25 wrote:Timmo wrote:icoulddoitbetter wrote:Timmo wrote:
gold Coast united which is an entirely different problem altogether and I don't see anyone needed to build a 3rd stadium on the Gold coast
what?? gold coast could use a third stadium, something that fits about 12k and can be used for concerts/gold coast soccer events would be great And what to do with skilled park for 6 months? Thats Stadiums Queensland's problem, let them sort it out! Might make them realise that they are massive cunts who are operating the PUBLICALLY OWNED stadiums as a business for profit, rather then as a PUBLICALLY OWNED asset for the public to enjoy Stadiums Queensland will sort it out, one quick phone call to big brother and you'll soon start seeing all the road blocks you could possibly imagine. The fact governments invest in stadiums means you'll be lucky to ever get a rival stadium to be considered let alone approved by the same government to compete with the nice big and expensive political statement down the road. Exactly right. Especially on the Gold coast where every bit of usable land is earmarked for the population growth predicted. Robina has been paid for by Taxpayers so no-one's going to approve anything that'll leave Robina empty for 6 months a year, it's still underused right now. Piss Anna Bligh off in March and Clives mates have promised to look at the Stadium Deal. Might even be able to do the Pussies a favour while he's at it.
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Edda wrote:Benjamin wrote:Edda wrote:AMMI is fine for both teams. It is the perfect size. Even if there only 7k it still seems half full. I thought Bob Jane statdium was geeting bulldozed and rebuild to a smaller capacity stadium with state of the art facilities? I was in a crowd of 6,500k at AAMI and the place felt empty. Bob Jane has been redeveloped (one stand refurbished, a second stand newly constructed, running track added around the pitch, upgrades to facilities, etc. Should be open in a few months with a capacity of approx 12k. I have very sensative ears and bad eye sight:lol: Cool about BJS I heard thy where going to put a running track in there too. I assume this is not true?. It's nice little stadium that. I see what you mean about the bad eye sight. ;) The whole redevelopment is based around the relocation of Athletics from Olympic Park to Lakeside - so Fat Eddie can demolish Olympic Park to make a nice oval for Collingwood to train on. Bloody joke - but I'm happy for my club to benefit from the upgrades!!
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nhub24 wrote:toffeeAU wrote:Am I right in saying Lakeside is getting an Athletics track around it under the re-development? Surely that limits potential atmosphere? We played at Olympic Park and the atmosphere was the best. It depends on the lay out of stadium: all seater, terrace. That was great, I loved when we played there.
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A lot of the suggestions earlier for cheap stadiums had no cover at all. One of the worst things you can do is be watching football on a hot day with the sun in your eyes. No shade is a bad idea for A-league. Id rather be rained on that that. Which would also be a heavy possibility. If we did hypothetically have the money, rather than building new stadiums, why not try to purchase already made ones? Another question is, if a club owns their own stadium, how do they cover maintenance costs etc? Would it become a burden? The FFA should be continuously and constantly lobbying stadiums for better deals. It would be ridiculous if clubs folded due to money issues when they were unable to get a better stadium deal from publicly owned stadiums.
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I wanted to mention that. Covering the stands is an absolute must, people just don't turn up when it starts pissing down. They were going to be cut regardless, but when the summer rain in NQ came along I think it really killed the Fury attendance.
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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Misc wrote:A lot of the suggestions earlier for cheap stadiums had no cover at all. One of the worst things you can do is be watching football on a hot day with the sun in your eyes. No shade is a bad idea for A-league. Id rather be rained on that that. Which would also be a heavy possibility. If we did hypothetically have the money, rather than building new stadiums, why not try to purchase already made ones? Another question is, if a club owns their own stadium, how do they cover maintenance costs etc? Would it become a burden? The FFA should be continuously and constantly lobbying stadiums for better deals. It would be ridiculous if clubs folded due to money issues when they were unable to get a better stadium deal from publicly owned stadiums. Whilst it's true that you pick up additional maintenance costs, you also pick up extra matchday income (all food and drink sales), rental possibilities for other sporting events, and if you set it up right - the corporate facilities can be used on non-matchdays as a restaurant, bar, reception center, etc., providing an additional income stream.
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playmaker11 wrote:I wanted to mention that. Covering the stands is an absolute must, people just don't turn up when it starts pissing down. They were going to be cut regardless, but when the summer rain in NQ came along I think it really killed the Fury attendance. yeah thats why hindmarsh is such a great venue, awesome cover for the fans.
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toffeeAU wrote:Am I right in saying Lakeside is getting an Athletics track around it under the re-development? Surely that limits potential atmosphere? Yep, it's a blue athletics track with white lines :-) See renderings of it via the link below: http://www.majorprojects.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/193384/State-Sports-Facilities-Project-Community-Notification-June-2010-Final.pdf
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Benjamin wrote:Misc wrote:A lot of the suggestions earlier for cheap stadiums had no cover at all. One of the worst things you can do is be watching football on a hot day with the sun in your eyes. No shade is a bad idea for A-league. Id rather be rained on that that. Which would also be a heavy possibility. If we did hypothetically have the money, rather than building new stadiums, why not try to purchase already made ones? Another question is, if a club owns their own stadium, how do they cover maintenance costs etc? Would it become a burden? The FFA should be continuously and constantly lobbying stadiums for better deals. It would be ridiculous if clubs folded due to money issues when they were unable to get a better stadium deal from publicly owned stadiums. Whilst it's true that you pick up additional maintenance costs, you also pick up extra matchday income (all food and drink sales), rental possibilities for other sporting events, and if you set it up right - the corporate facilities can be used on non-matchdays as a restaurant, bar, reception center, etc., providing an additional income stream. Id imagine there would be massive insurance fees, council rates, electricity water etc cost, cost of hiring a full time ground staff, cost of hiring security etc. I think it would be great, but i think its something we dont really know the true facts about. Are stadiums financial information publicly listed?
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I originally thought this development was going to replace Olympic Park for a Collingwood training facility but now i think it's been called off.
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Heart_Fan10 wrote:we've already taken a step in the right direction with aami park which has a capacity of 30,050 and can be expanded Can it be expanded?
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Johan Grobbelaar wrote:Heart_Fan10 wrote:we've already taken a step in the right direction with aami park which has a capacity of 30,050 and can be expanded Can it be expanded? Not in it's current form.
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Misc wrote:Id imagine there would be massive insurance fees, council rates, electricity water etc cost, cost of hiring a full time ground staff, cost of hiring security etc. I think it would be great, but i think its something we dont really know the true facts about. Are stadiums financial information publicly listed? If you look at all the state league sides who maintain their own venues, I don't think the costs of maintaining a venue are likely to be that high. A couple of them, I know, have costs of maintenance covered by local councils, but the majority look after their own facilities. It's the initial cost of the land, and the construction of the venue that is the major expense. nhub24 wrote:I originally thought this development was going to replace Olympic Park for a Collingwood training facility but now i think it's been called off. No, it's still going ahead.
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Benjamin wrote:Misc wrote:Id imagine there would be massive insurance fees, council rates, electricity water etc cost, cost of hiring a full time ground staff, cost of hiring security etc. I think it would be great, but i think its something we dont really know the true facts about. Are stadiums financial information publicly listed? If you look at all the state league sides who maintain their own venues, I don't think the costs of maintaining a venue are likely to be that high. A couple of them, I know, have costs of maintenance covered by local councils, but the majority look after their own facilities. It's the initial cost of the land, and the construction of the venue that is the major expense. nhub24 wrote:I originally thought this development was going to replace Olympic Park for a Collingwood training facility but now i think it's been called off. No, it's still going ahead. Haven't heard any news for a while. Edited by nhub24: 12/7/2011 09:12:24 PM
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Redevelopment work at Lakeside is almost complete - you don't spend $55m doing all that stuff then change your mind about the reason you moved.
Final athletics event at OP was in April - if Eddie wants his oval, Eddie will get his oval!!
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Gyfox wrote:thupercoach wrote:dale1878 wrote:@Gyfox: How would you solve Sydney's problem with stadia? Build it or move? Apparently SFC are locked into the SFS for another 6 years, so this conversation is academic. However,if Sydney got to average 20K it would make it easy to stay at Moore Park. In Sydney's case the focus should be not on reducing the size of the stadium but rather looking to fill it. Getting 10K in a 4 million city is inexcusable, and heads ought to roll for that. Perception in the market place is that SFC is an "Eastern Suburbs" team, so a concerted effort must be made to engage the St George, North and Inner West areas. Not dragging the discussion off topic, just making the point that in a city the size of Sydney before shrinking the stadium we need to think of growing the crowd. In the case of West Sydney whenever they come on board (and they will) IMO Parramatta Stadium is the way to go. The only problem is parking, but that doesn't seem to deter the leagueies. The size of the market warrants the 25-30K capacity stadium that Parra is, and IMO the stadium size is about right. I agree with you thuper that SFC should be marketing heavily to the inner city area the Peninsula to the north and the Shire to the south. If they start to draw well from these areas they will get a spin off in fans from a bit further away making the effort to get to Moore Park. Just on the academic part of the discussions if we could turn back the clock a couple of centuries and return the main sporting venue to Hyde Park then crowds would be significantly higher because the venue would be located right on or near the main transport hubs of the city. PS. In answer to dale's question a location like Prince Alfred Park for a 20-25,000 seat stadium shared with the Rabbitoh's would be ideal for SFC with bigger games for both going to SFS.Edited by gyfox: 12/7/2011 03:06:49 PM I'm OK with that - in fact RL could be smart enough to get in bed with football in more than just the stadia. But a ground sharing arrangement with the Rabbitohs would make perfect sense. As for Hyde Park...mate, I think you know your history a little too well...:lol:
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nhub24 wrote:Johan Grobbelaar wrote:Heart_Fan10 wrote:we've already taken a step in the right direction with aami park which has a capacity of 30,050 and can be expanded Can it be expanded? Not in it's current form. Although it was built with foundations strong enough to hold a 45,000 seat stadium, the "bubble roof" will have to be disassembled, the stadium expanded then a new roof put on again because the current bubble roof is too small to fit 45,000 seats. All this will cost more than building a completely new 45,000 seat stadium! Daniel Grollo is a smart man!! lol
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Red_or_Dead wrote:nhub24 wrote:Johan Grobbelaar wrote:Heart_Fan10 wrote:we've already taken a step in the right direction with aami park which has a capacity of 30,050 and can be expanded Can it be expanded? Not in it's current form. Although it was built with foundations strong enough to hold a 45,000 seat stadium, the "bubble roof" will have to be disassembled, the stadium expanded then a new roof put on again because the current bubble roof is too small to fit 45,000 seats. All this will cost more than building a completely new 45,000 seat stadium! Daniel Grollo is a smart man!! lol Blame the architects, not the builder.
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Well Hindmarsh is perfect and I would rather them spend the money to find ways if possible to fill in the corners and maybe make that gateway to the western suburbs and big entertainment complex considering we have the entertainment centre pretty much next door than to build a new retangular based stadium.
besides with this whole Adelaide oval redevelopment no way the government is going to fork out more money to build a new rectangular stadium. We have to find ways to upgrade and renovate hindmarsh again.
Im also interested to see whether the New York Cosmos will be the 20th MLS team and the cost of building a stadium in the New York City area.
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Benjamin wrote:Red_or_Dead wrote:nhub24 wrote:Johan Grobbelaar wrote:Heart_Fan10 wrote:we've already taken a step in the right direction with aami park which has a capacity of 30,050 and can be expanded Can it be expanded? Not in it's current form. Although it was built with foundations strong enough to hold a 45,000 seat stadium, the "bubble roof" will have to be disassembled, the stadium expanded then a new roof put on again because the current bubble roof is too small to fit 45,000 seats. All this will cost more than building a completely new 45,000 seat stadium! Daniel Grollo is a smart man!! lol Blame the architects, not the builder. Actually the architects did a wonderful job in expanding a 20,000 seat design to 30,000 seats as the owners changed their mind on what was wanted on numerous occasions. The architects are not to blame at all that it is impractical to expand the venue. They responded to the brief written by the owner. If provision for further expansion was required then the owner should have included that in the brief. They would, however, then have had to find another site. The site is barely big enough for the stadium that is there. The failure on this occasion lies in the hands of the Victorian Government and paying extra for foundations was pretty much a waste of taxpayer's money.
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Benjamin wrote:Red_or_Dead wrote:nhub24 wrote:Johan Grobbelaar wrote:Heart_Fan10 wrote:we've already taken a step in the right direction with aami park which has a capacity of 30,050 and can be expanded Can it be expanded? Not in it's current form. Although it was built with foundations strong enough to hold a 45,000 seat stadium, the "bubble roof" will have to be disassembled, the stadium expanded then a new roof put on again because the current bubble roof is too small to fit 45,000 seats. All this will cost more than building a completely new 45,000 seat stadium! Daniel Grollo is a smart man!! lol Blame the architects, not the builder. I'm not blaming anyone, in fact I was thinking he has good business sense! Blame the Bracks/Brumby State Government who approved it knowing all this. They probably just thought, "by the time this stadium needs expanding, we'll be well gone from our post!" hehe
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Timmo wrote:Well Hindmarsh is perfect and I would rather them spend the money to find ways if possible to fill in the corners and maybe make that gateway to the western suburbs and big entertainment complex considering we have the entertainment centre pretty much next door than to build a new retangular based stadium.
besides with this whole Adelaide oval redevelopment no way the government is going to fork out more money to build a new rectangular stadium. We have to find ways to upgrade and renovate hindmarsh again.
Im also interested to see whether the New York Cosmos will be the 20th MLS team and the cost of building a stadium in the New York City area.
Expanding Hindmarsh is quite a difficult exercise and it is in the wrong location to harness the full potential of the market. At the very least they should put a roof on all the stands but in my view this would be a waste of money. A 20-25,000 seat rectangular stadium in a central location is required. I do not know how a Government can justify spending all of its money on a venue effectively for AFL with a small extra benefit to cricket and lock out any expansion of other sporting facilities for 50 years but that is what they proposed to legislate to do. It is criminal.
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Gyfox wrote:Benjamin wrote:Red_or_Dead wrote:nhub24 wrote:Johan Grobbelaar wrote:Heart_Fan10 wrote:we've already taken a step in the right direction with aami park which has a capacity of 30,050 and can be expanded Can it be expanded? Not in it's current form. Although it was built with foundations strong enough to hold a 45,000 seat stadium, the "bubble roof" will have to be disassembled, the stadium expanded then a new roof put on again because the current bubble roof is too small to fit 45,000 seats. All this will cost more than building a completely new 45,000 seat stadium! Daniel Grollo is a smart man!! lol Blame the architects, not the builder. Actually the architects did a wonderful job in expanding a 20,000 seat design to 30,000 seats as the owners changed their mind on what was wanted on numerous occasions. The architects are not to blame at all that it is impractical to expand the venue. They responded to the brief written by the owner. If provision for further expansion was required then the owner should have included that in the brief. They would, however, then have had to find another site. The site is barely big enough for the stadium that is there. The failure on this occasion lies in the hands of the Victorian Government and paying extra for foundations was pretty much a waste of taxpayer's money. Fair enough - but the comment was directed more at the notion that the stadium not being easily expanded is more to do with the people who designed it than the people who put it together.
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Gyfox wrote:Timmo wrote:Well Hindmarsh is perfect and I would rather them spend the money to find ways if possible to fill in the corners and maybe make that gateway to the western suburbs and big entertainment complex considering we have the entertainment centre pretty much next door than to build a new retangular based stadium.
besides with this whole Adelaide oval redevelopment no way the government is going to fork out more money to build a new rectangular stadium. We have to find ways to upgrade and renovate hindmarsh again.
Im also interested to see whether the New York Cosmos will be the 20th MLS team and the cost of building a stadium in the New York City area.
Expanding Hindmarsh is quite a difficult exercise and it is in the wrong location to harness the full potential of the market. At the very least they should put a roof on all the stands but in my view this would be a waste of money. A 20-25,000 seat rectangular stadium in a central location is required. I do not know how a Government can justify spending all of its money on a venue effectively for AFL with a small extra benefit to cricket and lock out any expansion of other sporting facilities for 50 years but that is what they proposed to legislate to do. It is criminal. Forget a roof as that will definately not happen unless we build a new stadium. what they need is for Adelaide united to friggin merchandise some decent Permanent ponchos to wear for wet weather games rather than having to fork out $5 for so crappy plastic easy to rip ones. Roof aint going to happen and even if it did on a hot summers day will probably feel like a furnance. I will definately need a poncho to last the season rather than one game. Your right about the trouble of expandind hindmarsh but with the government basically spending all their money redeveloping Adelaide Oval so I doubt this would ever come to fruition. That's why I hope we can look at ways to develop and renovate hindmarsh and make it attractive for more supporters to come (both home and away supporters). Hindmarsh needs an upgrade.
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RE: Hindmarsh, would it be possible to build the stands at a steeper angle, or perhaps put a second level on the wing stands?
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dale1878 wrote:RE: Hindmarsh, would it be possible to build the stands at a steeper angle, or perhaps put a second level on the wing stands? steeper maybe, second tier no. Needs to be shifted half a pitch length south for any decent expansion to be done in it's current location.
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Gyfox wrote:
Expanding Hindmarsh is quite a difficult exercise and it is in the wrong location to harness the full potential of the market. At the very least they should put a roof on all the stands but in my view this would be a waste of money. A 20-25,000 seat rectangular stadium in a central location is required. I do not know how a Government can justify spending all of its money on a venue effectively for AFL with a small extra benefit to cricket and lock out any expansion of other sporting facilities for 50 years but that is what they proposed to legislate to do. It is criminal.
wrong location? how so?
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Didn't the SA government say they were gonna bulid a new 40k stadium if Australia won the World Cup bid? Is that going ahead anymore?
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nhub24 wrote:Didn't the SA government say they were gonna bulid a new 40k stadium if Australia won the World Cup bid? Is that going ahead anymore? Even if they had agreed to build a 40k if we won the bid, we didn't, so they won't. I believe the plan was to use the Adelaide Oval anyway - and they will get their work done because it's to the benefit of AFL. Bogans, etc., etc.
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Timmo wrote:Gyfox wrote:Timmo wrote:Well Hindmarsh is perfect and I would rather them spend the money to find ways if possible to fill in the corners and maybe make that gateway to the western suburbs and big entertainment complex considering we have the entertainment centre pretty much next door than to build a new retangular based stadium.
besides with this whole Adelaide oval redevelopment no way the government is going to fork out more money to build a new rectangular stadium. We have to find ways to upgrade and renovate hindmarsh again.
Im also interested to see whether the New York Cosmos will be the 20th MLS team and the cost of building a stadium in the New York City area.
Expanding Hindmarsh is quite a difficult exercise and it is in the wrong location to harness the full potential of the market. At the very least they should put a roof on all the stands but in my view this would be a waste of money. A 20-25,000 seat rectangular stadium in a central location is required. I do not know how a Government can justify spending all of its money on a venue effectively for AFL with a small extra benefit to cricket and lock out any expansion of other sporting facilities for 50 years but that is what they proposed to legislate to do. It is criminal. Forget a roof as that will definately not happen unless we build a new stadium. what they need is for Adelaide united to friggin merchandise some decent Permanent ponchos to wear for wet weather games rather than having to fork out $5 for so crappy plastic easy to rip ones. Roof aint going to happen and even if it did on a hot summers day will probably feel like a furnance. I will definately need a poncho to last the season rather than one game. Your right about the trouble of expandind hindmarsh but with the government basically spending all their money redeveloping Adelaide Oval so I doubt this would ever come to fruition. That's why I hope we can look at ways to develop and renovate hindmarsh and make it attractive for more supporters to come (both home and away supporters). Hindmarsh needs an upgrade. Putting the right roof over a stand will cool the stand in summer and add greatly to spectator comfort and in wet weather roofed stands make a lot of difference to attendances. My understanding is that for the increased capacity for the 2000 Olympics temporary stands in the corners required road closures. The site is not really suitable for expansion and the stadium is built in the wrong place anyway. Stadiums should be built at or with transport hubs.
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I've said it before, but from my (very) limited knowledge of Adelaide, it always seemed the Santos Stadium would be a cracking location to build a stadium. I'm sure someone local will point out that it's a shit location, or that the train line doesn't go anywhere or carry passengers that way, or something... But for now, I like the idea!!
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redsfan wrote:Gyfox wrote:
Expanding Hindmarsh is quite a difficult exercise and it is in the wrong location to harness the full potential of the market. At the very least they should put a roof on all the stands but in my view this would be a waste of money. A 20-25,000 seat rectangular stadium in a central location is required. I do not know how a Government can justify spending all of its money on a venue effectively for AFL with a small extra benefit to cricket and lock out any expansion of other sporting facilities for 50 years but that is what they proposed to legislate to do. It is criminal.
wrong location? how so? World's best practice is to build stadiums as close as possible to the city centre's cafes and restaurants and tourist venues and with a direct link to or at the transport hub for the city. Spending multipliers as high as 2.5 occur in these sorts of locations when compared to more remote locations. This increase in economic benefit is one of the drivers for the Government moving AFL from AAMI Stadium to Adelaide Oval and although Hindmarsh is not as remote as AAMI the argument still stands. There would be bigger crowds and an increase in economic benefit above that generated by a similar capacity stadium where it is now.
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Benjamin wrote:I've said it before, but from my (very) limited knowledge of Adelaide, it always seemed the Santos Stadium would be a cracking location to build a stadium. I'm sure someone local will point out that it's a shit location, or that the train line doesn't go anywhere or carry passengers that way, or something... But for now, I like the idea!!
Edited by Benjamin: 13/7/2011 05:02:55 PM A common positive of modern stadium developments is the regeneration and return to productivity of run down inner city sites often previously used for rail transport. I'll leave it to the locals to comment whether the Santos Stadium site fits that bill but the Railway Yards Stadium site that the opposition in SA pushed is typical of what is often used. (Are they the same site?)
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nhub24 wrote:Didn't the SA government say they were gonna bulid a new 40k stadium if Australia won the World Cup bid? Is that going ahead anymore? No... The SA Government went with modifying the proposed Adelaide Oval Upgrade as their option for the World Cup bid. If we had won it would have been 1 of 5 of the 7 most unsuitable venues for a World Cup ever used that Australia would have provided.
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Gyfox wrote:redsfan wrote:Gyfox wrote:
Expanding Hindmarsh is quite a difficult exercise and it is in the wrong location to harness the full potential of the market. At the very least they should put a roof on all the stands but in my view this would be a waste of money. A 20-25,000 seat rectangular stadium in a central location is required. I do not know how a Government can justify spending all of its money on a venue effectively for AFL with a small extra benefit to cricket and lock out any expansion of other sporting facilities for 50 years but that is what they proposed to legislate to do. It is criminal.
wrong location? how so? World's best practice is to build stadiums as close as possible to the city centre's cafes and restaurants and tourist venues and with a direct link to or at the transport hub for the city. Spending multipliers as high as 2.5 occur in these sorts of locations when compared to more remote locations. This increase in economic benefit is one of the drivers for the Government moving AFL from AAMI Stadium to Adelaide Oval and although Hindmarsh is not as remote as AAMI the argument still stands. There would be bigger crowds and an increase in economic benefit above that generated by a similar capacity stadium where it is now. you do realise that Hindmarsh is within walking distance to the Adelaide Central Train station, though with the free tram running between the train station and the entertainment center (across the road from Hindmarsh stadium and a 2 min walk) it's really not necessary to walk all the way. Several differant bus routes that stop on the streets around the stadium, plus 2 other train stations within a 5-10 min walk of the stadium on the main north and south train routes. Plus there's ample parking around the stadium with main roads from the North and South coming near the stadium. Also with about 6 pubs on the streets around the stadium it's got plenty of places to mingle.
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redsfan wrote:Gyfox wrote:redsfan wrote:Gyfox wrote:
Expanding Hindmarsh is quite a difficult exercise and it is in the wrong location to harness the full potential of the market. At the very least they should put a roof on all the stands but in my view this would be a waste of money. A 20-25,000 seat rectangular stadium in a central location is required. I do not know how a Government can justify spending all of its money on a venue effectively for AFL with a small extra benefit to cricket and lock out any expansion of other sporting facilities for 50 years but that is what they proposed to legislate to do. It is criminal.
wrong location? how so? World's best practice is to build stadiums as close as possible to the city centre's cafes and restaurants and tourist venues and with a direct link to or at the transport hub for the city. Spending multipliers as high as 2.5 occur in these sorts of locations when compared to more remote locations. This increase in economic benefit is one of the drivers for the Government moving AFL from AAMI Stadium to Adelaide Oval and although Hindmarsh is not as remote as AAMI the argument still stands. There would be bigger crowds and an increase in economic benefit above that generated by a similar capacity stadium where it is now. you do realise that Hindmarsh is within walking distance to the Adelaide Central Train station, though with the free tram running between the train station and the entertainment center (across the road from Hindmarsh stadium and a 2 min walk) it's really not necessary to walk all the way. Several differant bus routes that stop on the streets around the stadium, plus 2 other train stations within a 5-10 min walk of the stadium on the main north and south train routes. Plus there's ample parking around the stadium with main roads from the North and South coming near the stadium. Also with about 6 pubs on the streets around the stadium it's got plenty of places to mingle. Now compare all that to the 300m dedicated walk from Etihad Stadium to Southern Cross Station and the bars, restaurants, casino etc in Docklands, Southbank and the centre of Melbourne and you might understand the difference between world best practice and what is on offer at Hindmarsh. It is a very nice inner city suburban ground that will not generate optimum attendance and economic benefit because of its location.
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^.AAMI Park being in inner Richmond, with no parking available (public transport only) still generates the best crowds in the league.
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Gyfox wrote:
Now compare all that to the 300m dedicated walk from Etihad Stadium to Southern Cross Station and the bars, restaurants, casino etc in Docklands, Southbank and the centre of Melbourne and you might understand the difference between world best practice and what is on offer at Hindmarsh. It is a very nice inner city suburban ground that will not generate optimum attendance and economic benefit because of its location.
it may not be "world best practice" but it's location isn't gonna have any effect on attendance and profitability of the club.
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We have clubs that have there own stadiums much like the Swiss League but the FFA wont recognise them.
We actually are killing the game here ourselves with this apartheid
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Rigas wrote:We have clubs that have there own stadiums much like the Swiss League but the FFA wont recognise them.
We actually are killing the game here ourselves with this apartheid maybe but those clubs have no fans and no money.
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they have more money than the A-LEAGUE clubs and they have fans dude but when no one talks about you do you expect 10,000 people to rock up to your games?
Here in Europe clubs from within a country are respected by the governing bodies and media they are not thrown out to the trash, will Australian football ever get over this apartheid in the game?
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Apartheid? Learnt a new word, have you? Well done.
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redsfan wrote:Gyfox wrote:
Now compare all that to the 300m dedicated walk from Etihad Stadium to Southern Cross Station and the bars, restaurants, casino etc in Docklands, Southbank and the centre of Melbourne and you might understand the difference between world best practice and what is on offer at Hindmarsh. It is a very nice inner city suburban ground that will not generate optimum attendance and economic benefit because of its location.
it may not be "world best practice" but it's location isn't gonna have any effect on attendance and profitability of the club. Actually experience around the world shows crowds are significantly larger at better sited venues. Figures I have seen are in the 25% to %50 range when clubs have moved to these types of venues. As for the effect on profitability for the club of a move like this that is determined by stadium costs. Its not much use having bigger crowds but being worse off because of either the cost of financing the venue or hire costs exceed the extra gate revenue generated. The significantly improved economic benefit of a city venue has little to no effect on club profitability. The increased economic benefit to the community is generated by extra spending in the city by the fans not at the venue.
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Rigas wrote:they have more money than the A-LEAGUE clubs and they have fans dude but when no one talks about you do you expect 10,000 people to rock up to your games?
Here in Europe clubs from within a country are respected by the governing bodies and media they are not thrown out to the trash, will Australian football ever get over this apartheid in the game? lol If Olympic, or any NSWPL club want to submit a bid to play in the A-League, they're welcome to. If they don't want to play by the same rules as HAL clubs do in respect to top-down control, then you should get the fuck down of your high horse and shut up.
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dale1878 wrote:Rigas wrote:they have more money than the A-LEAGUE clubs and they have fans dude but when no one talks about you do you expect 10,000 people to rock up to your games?
Here in Europe clubs from within a country are respected by the governing bodies and media they are not thrown out to the trash, will Australian football ever get over this apartheid in the game? lol If Olympic, or any NSWPL club want to submit a bid to play in the A-League, they're welcome to. If they don't want to play by the same rules as HAL clubs do in respect to top-down control, then you should get the fuck down of your high horse and shut up. The State league club's will never have to finacial backing to get into the A-League unless Joe Mirabella strikes again.
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nhub24 wrote:dale1878 wrote:Rigas wrote:they have more money than the A-LEAGUE clubs and they have fans dude but when no one talks about you do you expect 10,000 people to rock up to your games?
Here in Europe clubs from within a country are respected by the governing bodies and media they are not thrown out to the trash, will Australian football ever get over this apartheid in the game? lol If Olympic, or any NSWPL club want to submit a bid to play in the A-League, they're welcome to. If they don't want to play by the same rules as HAL clubs do in respect to top-down control, then you should get the fuck down of your high horse and shut up. The State league club's will never have to finacial backing to get into the A-League unless Joe Mirabella strikes again. Except Wollongong. #truth
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Gyfox wrote:
Actually experience around the world shows crowds are significantly larger at better sited venues. Figures I have seen are in the 25% to %50 range when clubs have moved to these types of venues. As for the effect on profitability for the club of a move like this that is determined by stadium costs. Its not much use having bigger crowds but being worse off because of either the cost of financing the venue or hire costs exceed the extra gate revenue generated. The significantly improved economic benefit of a city venue has little to no effect on club profitability. The increased economic benefit to the community is generated by extra spending in the city by the fans not at the venue.
and in that little rant you've said why the location of Hindmarsh is perfectly fine where it is and the idea of moving AUFC/building a new stadium is rediculous and plain stupid.
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given that if not for the A-League the stadiums that MV, SFC, MH Brisbane GCU would be empty for 5 months every year, i find it extraordinary that stadium management isn't willing to give the clubs deals that mean the clubs can not only survive long term, but grow. You'd think it would be a win-win for all concerned that clubs make a profit or at least break even.
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redsfan wrote:Gyfox wrote:
Actually experience around the world shows crowds are significantly larger at better sited venues. Figures I have seen are in the 25% to %50 range when clubs have moved to these types of venues. As for the effect on profitability for the club of a move like this that is determined by stadium costs. Its not much use having bigger crowds but being worse off because of either the cost of financing the venue or hire costs exceed the extra gate revenue generated. The significantly improved economic benefit of a city venue has little to no effect on club profitability. The increased economic benefit to the community is generated by extra spending in the city by the fans not at the venue.
and in that little rant you've said why the location of Hindmarsh is perfectly fine where it is and the idea of moving AUFC/building a new stadium is rediculous and plain stupid. Actually that is not what I have said. Seeing you want it put in different terms I will do that for you:- When it comes to the time that Adelaide United need a larger capacity stadium then a central city location should be considered because it will optimise attendance and generate a significantly greater economic benefit for the community. On the matter of attendances, Adelaide United's average attendance as a percentage of stadium capacity is already one of the highest in the country at 71% for home and away season games the last I checked and with sellouts on average of once a season since the inception of the League it should be regularly assessed for the adequacy of its capacity.
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When does our Etihad deal end? Just wondering!
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Anyone?
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No clue.
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Timmo wrote:
Im also interested to see whether the New York Cosmos will be the 20th MLS team and the cost of building a stadium in the New York City area.
The 25,000 seater Red Bull Arena in New Jersey cost about $200 million US. Amazingly Red Bull paid for it in cash !!!
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Sirocco wrote:Timmo wrote:
Im also interested to see whether the New York Cosmos will be the 20th MLS team and the cost of building a stadium in the New York City area.
The 25,000 seater Red Bull Arena in New Jersey cost about $200 million US. Amazingly Red Bull paid for it in cash !!! Great looking stadium too. I'm sure you can get much cheaper stadiums than that.
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Sirocco wrote:Timmo wrote:
Im also interested to see whether the New York Cosmos will be the 20th MLS team and the cost of building a stadium in the New York City area.
The 25,000 seater Red Bull Arena in New Jersey cost about $200 million US. Amazingly Red Bull paid for it in cash !!! I read somewhere that RB pour something like $100m a year into that team. :shock:
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Timmo wrote:Well Hindmarsh is perfect and I would rather them spend the money to find ways if possible to fill in the corners and maybe make that gateway to the western suburbs and big entertainment complex considering we have the entertainment centre pretty much next door than to build a new retangular based stadium.
besides with this whole Adelaide oval redevelopment no way the government is going to fork out more money to build a new rectangular stadium. We have to find ways to upgrade and renovate hindmarsh again.
Im also interested to see whether the New York Cosmos will be the 20th MLS team and the cost of building a stadium in the New York City area.
Supposedly, the MLS/Cosmos are looking to build a new venue in any of the city's major boroughs... Would be pretty sweet and can only imagine what the New York derbies would/could be like! If you look at the MLS stadiums, most of them have cost less to build than AAMI Park, especially teams like Montreal Impact and Toronto FC. Anyone know why this is? Are we simply being ripped off? Edited by Tom AUFC: 16/7/2011 07:45:13 AM
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Tom AUFC wrote:Timmo wrote:Well Hindmarsh is perfect and I would rather them spend the money to find ways if possible to fill in the corners and maybe make that gateway to the western suburbs and big entertainment complex considering we have the entertainment centre pretty much next door than to build a new retangular based stadium.
besides with this whole Adelaide oval redevelopment no way the government is going to fork out more money to build a new rectangular stadium. We have to find ways to upgrade and renovate hindmarsh again.
Im also interested to see whether the New York Cosmos will be the 20th MLS team and the cost of building a stadium in the New York City area.
Supposedly, the MLS/Cosmos are looking to build a new venue in any of the city's major boroughs... Would be pretty sweet and can only imagine what the New York derbies would/could be like! If you look at the MLS stadiums, most of them have cost less to build than AAMI Park, especially teams like Montreal Impact and Toronto FC. Anyone know why this is? Are we simply being ripped off? Edited by Tom AUFC: 16/7/2011 07:45:13 AM Mexican labour FTW!
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Tom AUFC wrote:Timmo wrote:Well Hindmarsh is perfect and I would rather them spend the money to find ways if possible to fill in the corners and maybe make that gateway to the western suburbs and big entertainment complex considering we have the entertainment centre pretty much next door than to build a new retangular based stadium.
besides with this whole Adelaide oval redevelopment no way the government is going to fork out more money to build a new rectangular stadium. We have to find ways to upgrade and renovate hindmarsh again.
Im also interested to see whether the New York Cosmos will be the 20th MLS team and the cost of building a stadium in the New York City area.
Supposedly, the MLS/Cosmos are looking to build a new venue in any of the city's major boroughs... Would be pretty sweet and can only imagine what the New York derbies would/could be like! If you look at the MLS stadiums, most of them have cost less to build than AAMI Park, especially teams like Montreal Impact and Toronto FC. Anyone know why this is? Are we simply being ripped off? Edited by Tom AUFC: 16/7/2011 07:45:13 AM Does anyone here know how to update and take an image and share it on this forum. I know click image but what do you put in the middle as a reference to the image like you do with youtube clips? anyway animated youtube clip of red bull arena. Even though the Red Bulls say they are a New York team they really are in fact a New Jersey team since that is where Red Bull arena is based. Hence MLS desire to get a 2nd team in the tri-state area based at of the New York borough of Queens and why everyone wants the Cosmos back. Mind you if we build a new stadium in Adelaide I like the red bull arena design. [youtube]YaITyZ99tbk[/youtube] Edited by Timmo: 16/7/2011 11:24:56 AMEdited by Timmo: 16/7/2011 11:25:35 AMEdited by Timmo: 16/7/2011 11:26:06 AM
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Tom AUFC wrote:
If you look at the MLS stadiums, most of them have cost less to build than AAMI Park, especially teams like Montreal Impact and Toronto FC. Anyone know why this is? Are we simply being ripped off?
Pretty much, everything is cheaper in the USA, Just as an example. The BMW M3 coupe in the USA is about $61,000 Aussie Dollars driveway, in Australia its $168,000 driveway.... Another MLS stadium being built currently. Houston Dynamo Stadium - 22,000 seats Cost $110 Million US.  Edited by Sirocco: 16/7/2011 02:28:54 PM
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Sirocco wrote:Tom AUFC wrote:
If you look at the MLS stadiums, most of them have cost less to build than AAMI Park, especially teams like Montreal Impact and Toronto FC. Anyone know why this is? Are we simply being ripped off?
Pretty much, everything is cheaper in the USA, Just as an example. The BMW M3 coupe in the USA is about $61,000 Aussie Dollars driveway, in Australia its $168,000 driveway.... Another MLS stadium being built currently. Houston Dynamo Stadium - 22,000 seats Cost $110 Million US. Edited by Sirocco: 16/7/2011 02:28:54 PM Stadium costs vary fairly much dependent on the quality of what is referred to as the "accommodation" back of the seating bowl and the number of tiers. Populous the designer of Houston Dynamo Stadium was also the designer of Metricon Stadium on the Gold Coast. They claim Metricon to be amongst the most cost efficient stadium builds in Australia. Its 25,000 seats cost A$144M or A$5,760 a seat. The Houston Dynamo Stadium which Populous describe as an urban stadium has a projected cost of US$5,000 per seat which not greatly different to Metricon. AAMI Park is a top of the range, iconic, regional stadium with expensive "accommodation". At $9,000 a seat you get what you are prepared to pay for.
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Gyfox wrote:
Stadium costs vary fairly much dependent on the quality of what is referred to as the "accommodation" back of the seating bowl and the number of tiers.
AAMI Park is a top of the range, iconic, regional stadium with expensive "accommodation". At $9,000 a seat you get what you are prepared to pay for.
True, Sporting Kansas City's Livestrong Park seats only 20,000 but cost $200 million as they went for a lot of bling. Im mean just check out the locker rooms !! http://www.thefreebeermovement.com/2011/06/photo-essay-livestrong-sporting-park_13.html
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Sirocco wrote:Gyfox wrote:
Stadium costs vary fairly much dependent on the quality of what is referred to as the "accommodation" back of the seating bowl and the number of tiers.
AAMI Park is a top of the range, iconic, regional stadium with expensive "accommodation". At $9,000 a seat you get what you are prepared to pay for.
True, Sporting Kansas City's Livestrong Park seats only 20,000 but cost $200 million as they went for a lot of bling. Im mean just check out the locker rooms !! http://www.thefreebeermovement.com/2011/06/photo-essay-livestrong-sporting-park_13.html LSP is a great stadium. No detail overlooked is damn true - the toilet signs? Brilliant.
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To be a fly on the wall in the design studios of Populous, or better still to work for them=p~
Love their designs.
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toffeeAU wrote:To be a fly on the wall in the design studios of Populous, or better still to work for them=p~
Love their designs. Either buy or find in a Library somewhere a book by Rod Sheard called:- "THE STADIUM - Architecture for the new Global Culture". Its a good read and Patrick Bingham-Hall's photographs are great.
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Sirocco wrote:Tom AUFC wrote:
If you look at the MLS stadiums, most of them have cost less to build than AAMI Park, especially teams like Montreal Impact and Toronto FC. Anyone know why this is? Are we simply being ripped off?
Pretty much, everything is cheaper in the USA, Just as an example. The BMW M3 coupe in the USA is about $61,000 Aussie Dollars driveway, in Australia its $168,000 driveway.... Another MLS stadium being built currently. Houston Dynamo Stadium - 22,000 seats Cost $110 Million US. Edited by Sirocco: 16/7/2011 02:28:54 PM How much has Palmer lost so far from the Skilled Park stadium rent? The interest payments on a $110 million loan couldn't be a helll of a lot more, not to mention the extra revenue from third party usage of the stadium. Even something with a capacity of 18k would be great. Room to grow, and an even cheaper cost...
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Palmer wouldn't need to pay interest.
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Tom AUFC
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macktheknife wrote:Palmer wouldn't need to pay interest. I know his wealth is in the billions but most or that would be in assets/investments. I very much doubt he'd have hundreds of millions just sitting in his bank account waiting to be withdrawn...
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macktheknife wrote:Palmer wouldn't need to pay interest. Technically no, but if he spent the money he wouldn't have it sitting around earning interest anymore - so either way he loses money.
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Gyfox
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Tom AUFC wrote:
How much has Palmer lost so far from the Skilled Park stadium rent? The interest payments on a $110 million loan couldn't be a helll of a lot more, not to mention the extra revenue from third party usage of the stadium.
Even something with a capacity of 18k would be great. Room to grow, and an even cheaper cost...
Good quality stadium developments have a nominal design life of 50 years. What this means is that funds need to be set aside for replacement of the venue over that period of time. Alternatively you can just run the asset into the ground and leave the entire replacement cost for the next generation to pay. I am sure the accountants on the forum can enlighten us how the accounting standards deal with this issue but it is a cost to the owner often not considered by John A Citizen. Assuming 4% annual inflation the cost of replacing a $110M stadium in 50 years time is of the order of $780M and would require setting aside $5M annually.
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Sirocco wrote:Gyfox wrote:
Stadium costs vary fairly much dependent on the quality of what is referred to as the "accommodation" back of the seating bowl and the number of tiers.
AAMI Park is a top of the range, iconic, regional stadium with expensive "accommodation". At $9,000 a seat you get what you are prepared to pay for.
True, Sporting Kansas City's Livestrong Park seats only 20,000 but cost $200 million as they went for a lot of bling. Im mean just check out the locker rooms !! http://www.thefreebeermovement.com/2011/06/photo-essay-livestrong-sporting-park_13.html That is an amazing stadium!! I wish we had some like that here. Also clubs should make their own stadiums so they can plaster their signs everywhere and make it feel like it's theirs.
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200 million is still way to much for an A-League club though....
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GCU would get away with a 10-12k capacity stadium, a little boutique thing with good atmosphere, that would be all they need because they can just switch to Skilled Park for any finals games where they think they might draw a big crowd.
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Man, can't help but feel jealous of some of that money and those stadiums being thrown around. If only Mr Lowy had built us 8 stadia around the country prior to HAL kick off. Dreams...
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What's the go with PG moving to the Hockey Centre?
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dale1878 wrote:What's the go with PG moving to the Hockey Centre? Nib is the perfect size for a city like Perth. They'd be stupid to move to another stadium, especially something smaller. Perhaps they need to address the real reason why none of their fans are rocking up anymore - ie. shit football from Fergie/Mitchell - rather than trying to downsize their venue for cost cutting purposes. Biggest cop-out ever if they abandon nib...
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nhub24 wrote:FC St. GallenAFG Arena Average crowd 13,000 Highest crowd 19,500 Stadium capacity 19,500~20,000 Can be expanded to 27,000 Cost: About 340 million AUD Would be perfect for the Roar as we currently are... Surely a stadium of that size could be done cheaper though, given that the quoted price for this... nhub24 wrote:FC BaselSt. Jakob-Park Average crowd 29,000 Highest crowd 38,500 Stadium capacity 38,500 Can be expanded to 45,000 Cost: About 220 million AUD ..is some A$120M cheaper despite being 66% bigger. Having said that though, if they upgraded Ballymore Stadium to have some semblance of public transport, that would be an ideal venue for us, with bigger games at Suncorp. I realise this does not solve the issue of teams owning their own stadia, but the cost of doing this is massive, and out of reach of most, if not all, A-League clubs. Would love a "Skilled Park" type Stadium for the roar up here... A sold out 20k seater would have much better atmosphere than 20k in a 52k stadium... Edited by ned7: 12/8/2011 09:12:36 AM
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Tom AUFC wrote:dale1878 wrote:What's the go with PG moving to the Hockey Centre? Nib is the perfect size for a city like Perth. They'd be stupid to move to another stadium, especially something smaller. Perhaps they need to address the real reason why none of their fans are rocking up anymore - ie. shit football from Fergie/Mitchell - rather than trying to downsize their venue for cost cutting purposes. Biggest cop-out ever if they abandon nib... I can tell you one main problem. Media coverage. You should compare the Advertiser's coverage on matchday for the reds compared to the west australian coverage of Perth Glory. Very big difference.
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Timmo wrote:Tom AUFC wrote:dale1878 wrote:What's the go with PG moving to the Hockey Centre? Nib is the perfect size for a city like Perth. They'd be stupid to move to another stadium, especially something smaller. Perhaps they need to address the real reason why none of their fans are rocking up anymore - ie. shit football from Fergie/Mitchell - rather than trying to downsize their venue for cost cutting purposes. Biggest cop-out ever if they abandon nib... I can tell you one main problem. Media coverage. You should compare the Advertiser's coverage on matchday for the reds compared to the west australian coverage of Perth Glory. Very big difference. Couldnt be much worse than the Courier Mail (Brisbane). We've been on the back page ONCE in our history as far as I can remember - and that was after the GF. The Courier is so Thugby League centred that NRL is usually on the back page even in the middle of football season with some rubbish story which would otherwise be no more than a column filler...
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ned7 wrote:Couldnt be much worse than the Courier Mail (Brisbane). We've been on the back page ONCE in our history as far as I can remember - and that was after the GF. The Courier is so Thugby League centred that NRL is usually on the back page even in the middle of football season with some rubbish story which would otherwise be no more than a column filler... come to think of it, Adelaide United do very well in the local rag. probably has something to do with our AFL sides being on the slide. If the Reds have as good as season as I hope they will, they could be overtaking Port as the second most popular football team in SA by the end of the season.
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If Clive did build a new stadium he should do something like this for one wing for all the corporates, executive boxes, tv cameras and foxsports etc  And then something basic like this for the other wing (the side which would get shown on tv) 
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I think as far as A-League teams go Adelaide United get a fair run even when AFL teams are performing good and bad. I think too that with the AFL saturated the media market its actually having a more negative effect than positive. I mean how many journo need to do opinion pieces, editorials and reports about the same subject.
this isn't a pot shot at AFL but a growing number (I would say a third) who would without fail go to games 5 years ago are finding the game less enjoyable to watch and are sick of pointless stories.
Anyway my point being is that it would be nice to see more coverage for our A-League teams without having to worry much about what coverage NRL/AFL. Little snippets here and there about the A-League is just not good enough as I found with disgust when I have picked up the West Australian on matchday.
Even for the Adelaide/Melbourne heart game last year the match report was barely half a page and this is in AFL's off season. I understand AFL is king but surely the A-league deserves a little bit more coverage than that.
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The image below taken from Stadia - A Design and Development Guide shows an example of staged development of a stadium from 3,000 to 20,000 capacity.  http://www.scribd.com/doc/13320073/Stadia-A-Design-and-Development-Guide
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Tom AUFC wrote:macktheknife wrote:Palmer wouldn't need to pay interest. I know his wealth is in the billions but most or that would be in assets/investments. I very much doubt he'd have hundreds of millions just sitting in his bank account waiting to be withdrawn... Who knows ? He was on the radio yesterday saying GCU's here to stay and, I kid you not, said "I've got a hundred million billion if needs be" Edited by jonnyb: 12/8/2011 01:30:37 PM
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jonnyb wrote:Tom AUFC wrote:macktheknife wrote:Palmer wouldn't need to pay interest. I know his wealth is in the billions but most or that would be in assets/investments. I very much doubt he'd have hundreds of millions just sitting in his bank account waiting to be withdrawn... Who knows ? He was on the radio yesterday saying GCU's here to stay and, I kid you not, said "I've got a hundred million billion if needs be" 
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jonnyb wrote:
He was on the radio yesterday saying GCU's here to stay and, I kid you not, said "I've got a hundred million billion if needs be"
He actually said that? Just a teeny-weeny exaggeration?
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skeptic wrote:jonnyb wrote:
He was on the radio yesterday saying GCU's here to stay and, I kid you not, said "I've got a hundred million billion if needs be"
He actually said that? Just a teeny-weeny exaggeration? I think he just tripped over the words trying to get a point across, but nevertheless it had me laughing all the way to work.
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Swissporarena in Lucerne, 16,800 just opened for cool 250mil.
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Sydney A-League coverage i would have said should be the bare minimum, which is you usually get a page for Sydney FC and then maybe a half page shared between jets and mariners and then the other half of that page for English league and sometimes La Liga. It does help in NSW there are 3 teams and the papers actually seem quite keen on the idea of Wollongong and Western Sydney because they often have stories about developments in these which get a half page or a third.
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Personally I think it is overkill with a massive grandstand, as you probably wouldnt get to build it (due to the neighbourhood) and you take out the second pitch. Too big, but certainly on the right track.
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Top-down view. Old stand retained, away stand (952 seats) at north. The lower tier of the eastern stand (4360 seats) wraps around and connects with the home stand at the south (3248 seats). A standing area is located in the northeast corner, to house all the hooligans and suburban terrorists. The eastern upper stand holds 7044. 46 disabled seats, plus 92 companion seats, are located at pitchside. Total lower seating capacity is 9752, plus disabled seating and standing areas bringing total fan capacity to ~11000 for lower tier, and 18000 for total. 30 boxes are also included on the eastern upper stand. | Top-down view. Old stand retained, away stand (952 seats) at north. The lower tier of the eastern stand (4360 seats) wraps around and connects with the home stand at the south (3248 seats). A standing area is located in the northeast corner, to house all the hooligans and suburban terrorists. The eastern upper stand holds 7044. 46 disabled seats, plus 92 companion seats, are located at pitchside. Total lower seating capacity is 9752, plus disabled seating and standing areas bringing total fan capacity to ~11000 for lower tier, and 18000 for total. 30 boxes are also included on the eastern upper stand.  |
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View from the old stand | View from the old stand With the Brisbane Strikers desiring a spot in the A-League in the future, they need to find somewhere to play. Suncorp Stadium is not much of an option, given the other Brisbane team, the Roar, have been hampered by their rent of several million dollars for many years. This ground is designed to house the Strikers, though the Roar could benefit greatly from renting the facility. Due to a lack of accurate topographical data, the terrain is flat, though in reality the site rises from west to east. Also, owing to the long history of the Strikers in the finals series, Heimlich manouvre stations will be installed right around the venue.
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So you're suggesting all we need is a bunch of billionaires happy to throw several hundred million bucks into building stadiums for local football teams. Ok great, i'll check my phonebook...
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The render is a fun brainstorm but totally unrealistic. Nobody is going to sit in a seat at one goal end with multiple thick concrete pylons obstructing their view.
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+xThe render is a fun brainstorm but totally unrealistic. Nobody is going to sit in a seat at one goal end with multiple thick concrete pylons obstructing their view. Terrace up to them farken and besser block the back to bring da noize
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