Any news on the 2012 Hellenic cup?
Looks to be much stronger this year with thier only being 4 groups of four
South Melbourne, Oakliegh, Heidelberg, Northcote, Bentliegh, Port Melbourne, Western Suburbs, Box hill, Kingston all confirmed entries as far as i know, with some very strong teams in Malvern and South sprinvale having to qualify.
And with the prize being 10 grand most clubs should be playing strong teams.

Draw is out, links have been posted on soccer-forum. Should be interesting to see if con-current pre-seasons will mean that the state league side will do better than usual. Half the comp is at Kingston, the other half at Western Suburbs.

Could you please post those links up on this board as i can;t seem to register for soccer forums

Cheers thanks mate

South Springvale and Malvern should easily qualify

Great strategy to diversify by playing a cup which selects teams based on ethnicity, just what the game at that level needs. It really is disappointing.

HAHAHAHA You sir are an idiot, can people really be that stupid?

These clubs that have been treated like shit by the FFA, ignored by the media kicked out of the league, and you begrudge them playing a small tournament that has been running for years, whats it to you what these clubs do. FUCK OFF YOU WANKER

Edited by FortressBelmore: 9/1/2012 07:50:20 PM

What he said, just in a more polite and measured way.

So what if a bunch of community clubs who have been playing a small tourney like this for years choose to do so again?

LOL another idiot who doesn't know what his talking about.

Here's a fixture/table setup for the senior men's side of the comp.

http://www.socceraust.co.uk/2012/VIC/Hellenic/fixtures.html

Cheers thanks man

Hey quick question Blackmissionary, is that Richmond as in the VPL Richmond, if so why do they have to qualify, and thier not at all a Greek Club

I've emailed the HC committee that very same question, but they never got back to me, so I don't know. From what someone is saying on soccer-forum, it may be some old boys from the old East Richmond - which would be surprising to me, as they dissolved years ago. As for status of non-Greek clubs participating, well Beaumaris played last year, which still has me stumped. They're far more lenient in that regard in the women's comp.

What's it to you if they play in the tournament?!

It's a nice tradition that has been going on for many years.

On the websites it seems to be thier symbol, it would be great for the competetion if they played.

Then you wouldn't be a fan of the Chinese League I take it?

Edited by Arthur: 10/1/2012 07:56:07 PM

Pretty sure that's a mistake.

Didn't the Timor Cup Carnival also just finish in Darwin?

We also just had the Horn of Africa tournament here not long ago Skeptic.

I wasn't aware and after looking it up found that Perth also had a similar african nations cup.

This can't continue because..... well......because.....um, it's just wrong because i said so. And that means i'm just going to have to complain to......to.....errrrr.....to.......well, i'll find someone to complain to. Damnit, is anyone listening to me?

The annual Aus-Croatian football tournament is the longest running football comp in Australia, I believe. Disgraceful!! Get rid of it ASAP and ban Melbourne Knights and Sydney United from Australian football for daring to participate!!

while were on the topic, does that mean we must errr disband the Maco Cup which is this year taking place in the Gong starting 28 Jan and involving clubs from along the eastern seaboard including our club, Bankstown, Hunter and Illawarra PL clubs, our Vic SL and division 2 clubs, and possibly our WA affiliate?

Lets not get off topic here

I've seen your posts in the past i wouldn't go calling people stupid. The FFA neglect claim always comes from a sense of unwarranted entitlement not a logical argument, for example it's not the FFA’s role to promote local clubs.

The issue concerns me because we have a mass of junior players which isn't being converted into senior players like it is in cricket for instance and it's some of those senior players that trickle onto spectator supporting which results in growth of the game.



Why do you think highlighting community changes the argument? The issue is whether it is desirable for state level clubs to be playing in a cup that selects its participants based on ethnicity, when some of those participants are struggling with mono-ethnicity both in their make up and perception. We know that discourages people from embracing the game so why do it?


It's an issue for me because i'd like to see the game grow and mono-ethnicity at state level is one of the main things that holds the game back from growing. A tradition may not be worth continuing if it damages the game.


Instead of pretending to be clever maybe next time you complain about SM being regarded as ethnic and being denied a-league entry due to not appealing to enough people you can make a mental note of this topic.

I'd also add that those other cups are unnecessary as well. African's are no longer considered desirable refugees by the immigration department, yet we have all African amateur teams popping up now instead of integrating with existing teams, not dividing teams by any race. At uni level both here and over in the US it was mandatory to have at least 2 international students in sports teams and that was in different sports. Everyone else gets it, it's not rocket science, it’s only those with pre-existing loyalties like yourself that are scared of change.

rofl.


Arthur, Benjamin, and kapow! walk into a Croatian club. kapow! says, "Now lads, I don't want you playing in the upcoming Dubrovnik Meats Memorial Cup tournament against Melbourne Knights, because you're a Croatian club and they're a Croatian club and by playing in this tournament you're offending the rest of Australia."

Arthur and Benjamin nervously exit through a side door to play some bocce, and next Friday night nobody seems to notice the lamb on a spit tastes slightly different than usual...




Seriously man, these clubs play all other clubs in their league throughout the course of the season - what's the harm in participating in some historical tournaments that double as a meetup for their migrant / expat community?

Is your problem that they are playing soccer, or do you want all Macedonian, Greek, Croat, British, etc social clubs dissolved as well?

I want to know Kapow, why do those clubs in the Victorian state leagues, who are categorised as 'mainstream' or 'non-ethnic', do worse when it comes to senior football, in terms of spectator numbers, sponsorships and results? Surely with their inclusive nature and often times large junior bases, they should be close to overtaking their ethnic counterparts?

Because at the end of the day, the best players want to play for the best and biggest clubs, which at the mom,ent are the ethnic clubs.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Australia is poorer as a country for having fuckwits like this kapow muppet in it, could you ever wish to hear more of a bunch of disgraceful rambling anywhere else

Edited by FortressBelmore: 12/1/2012 11:06:50 PM

becoz of dem efniks

Just so you don't think I'm bullshitting Kapow!

First the Australian Chinese Soccer Association link

http://www.acsasoccer.com/

And the Melbourne Chinese Soccer Association

http://www.mcsa-web.com.au/

Don't feed the racist, fellas, he thrives on the attention. Just flush it down the toilet with the rest of the faeces.


Remove British from the above list and add all other non British and you have it.

Edited by FortressBelmore: 14/1/2012 02:20:39 PM

He's quoting someone else, you numpty.

This. 100%.

'Mono-ethnicity' is a red herring and can only be used for so long.

Like the community label, calling the cup historical does not address the issue. Mono-ethnicity of anything cup/club/competition structure means less diversity, which means less growth for the game. We are stuck with the clubs we have, but all policy should be about having as much inclusion as possible and driving a strong local connection so the games makeup changes from mono-ethnicity to diverse and then the perception of the game socially will change with that.


Because the mainstream have not been engaged/connected. The mainstream are capable of being engaged in football as shown with the a-league and in the second tier in other sports, just not in football, why would that be?

And remember the great numbers you're talking about mono-ethnic clubs are minuscule and they've had decades to grow that with social club support.


I didn't think you were bullshitting, i didn't care because it was not relevant to the discussion, you were being a smartarse.



If you had any understanding of Australian society you'd realise what a silly statement that is and evidence wise if it was a red herring, clubs such as yours would have appealed to other backgrounds and diversified over the decades, but you haven't.

Kapow, the mainstream clubs have had a minimum of 20 years of strong junior numbers to set them up towards becoming senior powerhouses, and it hasn't happened. If the ethnic clubs are naturally non-inclusive, why can't the mainstream clubs engage their communities? What's holding them back?

I had one former state powerbroker tell me recently that apparently parents and kids at these mainstream clubs didn't even know their clubs had senior football - even though nearly every state league club plays football at 3pm on Saturday afternoons.

I'm not saying that the ethnic clubs in the state leagues have great numbers - just better numbers, on field and off it when it comes to funding senior football.

Mate, these are annual tournaments that last for a weekend. They're long held traditions which are no different to an Oktoberfest celebration or Chinese fucking New Year. I bet you've got a problem with those events as well

'Mainstream' clubs have also failed to appeal to mass markets. The best anyone has done has coincided with the arrival of a 'successful' national team and a well administered league - even then, numerous mainstream clubs have failed dismally to create any real interest. We can't blame ethnicity on the failure of Gold Coast, North Queensland Fury, or Auckland Knights, for example - all have failed due to poor admin.

Wow... just wow. Does every thread always have to degenerate into this same stupid argument.

Victoria's Hellenic Cup is a month long affair, now with senior, vets, under 21s and womens comps, plus the junior Hellenic Cup played at the end of the normal season.



Yes.

Yes. Because certain people on both sides of the stupid 'NSL v A-League' or 'broadbased v ethnic' or 'past v present' are completely fucking stupid.

Legitimate question. Do you think any of your above list is the actual or primary motive for the most insistent participants of the anti ethnic football lobby?

I'm not sure. That's an intensely personal question.

Needs a better punchline Dave. :lol:

It's possible that all mainstream clubs are poorly run as you've suggested with your example or more likely that the mainstream clubs are too few in certain areas and the game overall still has not managed to shed the tag that it is not welcoming to all.

One point i've mentioned previously is the social side of aussie rules is much greater than football, i've played both and in aussie rules many of them only turn up to socialise.

Whatever the reason it's wrong to suggest that the mainstream doesn't support second tier sport or that we cannot get all backgrounds interested in the game, we just have to find a better way to engage them, not holding a mono-ethnic cup would be a good start imo.



Tacky to suggest i'd have a problem with those. The reason it was suggested as problem is because it part of the game’s image problem now = less growth. If in X years the game has diversity and is perceived as such, then hold as many traditional cups as you please, until then it's shooting the game in the foot.



No one mentioned mass market success, we were talking about achieving diversity. That creates a bigger base which gives the correct structure to grow and hopefully one day achieve mass market success. Mono-ethnic clubs were unable to diversify, which makes your red herring comment a little silly.

Additionally all the mainstream clubs achieved diversity before the national team success and both in the nsl and the a-league, but it's not the first time you've tried that angle is it?


You have a point and yes unlike some you have a more balance view, but it is really unfortunate that the game likes to shoot itself in the foot. The a-league's and hence the game’s growth will always be limited without a strong adult base to support it.

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And in Croquet the tea n scones over the latest gossip is much superior than football.

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The ethnic clubs send heavies around the other grounds on game days to perform egg throwing to intimidate the non ethnic fans and discourage the support of their clubs.

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All the ethnics are attending silly football games on weekends and therefore not working so the non ethnics, being the ideal, upstanding citizen, are forced to work to keep the country going and cannot attend football games and support their club.

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Once upon a time, .............

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And at the moment i can't think of any other arguments to allow further clutching at straws.

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Give me time to think of something silly and I'll get back to you.

Edited by skeptic: 18/1/2012 06:51:23 PM

There are areas of Melbourne where these mainstream clubs are in the majority - the outer eastern suburbs and the Mornington Peninsula. And areas along the coast - clubs such as Brighton and Sandringham - who have large junior bases. Most of these clubs have been around since the 1960s/70s, and in Brighton's case the 1920s. Brighton's senior team had such a lack of interest despite its large junior base that its senior team folded in the 1990s while the juniors kept going, and it was only within the last five years that they had a senior team.

There may be areas or examples of single clubs being poorly run, my point is it is difficult to subscribe to the view that *all* of those clubs are poorly run, it is much more likely the game has an image issue and is not doing a good enough job of engaging.

Which is why all policy should encourage clubs to strengthen their local bond and makeup to change the perception of the game. I don’t see a mono-ethnic cup helping that regardless of how low profile it is. That's my opinion on it.

Edited by kapow!: 19/1/2012 07:16:19 PM

Now attempting to point the finger of blame at the 'ethnic' clubs for the poor comparative performance and support of the 'non ethnic' clubs? The bow just snapped.

"Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out." - Sydney Smith

So uh, why can't they do both? Strengthen local bonds whilst playing in friendly comps with other clubs who share a similar heritage?

I think once again Kapow, you overestimate the interest in senior football at a 2nd tier level. I also think you overestimate the public's knowledge of the existence of this tournament, which probably has the same amount of publicity to other pre-season tournaments, including non-ethnic ones like the Casey Cup and the Geelong regional tournament.

I can't wait until the tournament starts so we can actually talk about on field matters.

Probably, but it's about doing everything to increase that interest imo.

Dave - Because the local community is not all made up of one background. The two don't compliment each other at this stage.

How do you do that, Kapow? With the odd exception, second tier means second rate to most people regardless of the sport.

Do they have to? Does an Italian club playing another Italian club a few times in a small compeition destroy football in this country?


Fuck me, most people outside of these clubs probably don't even know these compeitions exist!

Prelim games started yesterday... Westvale 1 Beaumaris 0, South Springvale 1 (Old) Camberwell 0, Malvern 1 East Richmond 0

http://footballchaos.com/index.php/videos/ffv/2012-season/333-hc-malvern-city-v-east-richmond

As i think i've already said the 'no interest in second tier' line of argument would hold if there was diversity present. The lack of diversity is not because certain backgrounds are allergic to supporting the 2nd tier it's because they have not been properly engaged. A mono-ethnic cup doesn’t seem to encourage their engagement, however small it may be.

I did a topic on mechanisms which other sports use to increase local community connections and a-league interest [top down interest], but it quickly degenerated.



My opinion is that policy at all levels of the game should be aimed at growing the game. Whilst the numbers who are aware of it are small, most likely limited to those at the club and within the football communty, it's those exact same numbers which need to grow for the flow effect to increase support for the remainder of the game.

If we continue being regarded as an ethnic game, the game will continue to remain a very niche sport in Australia. Not popular with the likes of yourself but it’s the truth.

If you think changing a club's name or removing 'ethnic' clubs from competitions is going to make football any more 'Aussie' and less of a niche sport, I personally think you're very much mistaken.

Surely 'non-ethnic' - or should that be Anglo? - clubs should far outnumber and outshine ethnic clubs at a local level if that was the case.

...or maybe we should stop importing players from other countries to the A-League, in which case all we'd have would be Aussies and we wouldn't be a foreign, niche-occupying sport at all... right?

And fark off those Irish fellas from AFL games, we're bloody full!

If ethnicity is a such a hindrance, why do so many people send their kids to play at ethnic clubs? If removing ethnicity is some sort of cure-all, why has Mildura senior football regressed to the status of a mere participation sport, rather than a spectator oriented sport as it used to be to an extent? In their own words, they've got rid of almost all ethnic ties, and yet spectator numbers have disappeared almost entirely during that period.

Beaumaris 3 Darebin 0 by the way.

AH so it is East Richmond, Malvern were playing a very understrenght team but in saying that they were still very ordinary.

South Springvale have recruited well and have bascially already qualified, Malvern LOSE to Mannigham LOL funnist thing ever, were understrengh but still a decent under 13's side could beat those guys.

Sorry about the late replies was on holidays and only had mobile to read [takes too long to reply using it].

Not sure what you're trying to say here, firstly i didn’t suggest a name change, identity is much more than a name, but suggesting nothing can be done to grow the sport is obviously wrong the a-league being a simple example of that. The game should *always* try to grow, not give up.


None of this was brought up by me, you suggested and replied to it yourself i.e. it’s not related to the initial point which was why doesn’t playing in a mono-ethnic club strengthen local bonds, it’s just a lame attempt at deflecting. Sad you need to resort to that.


It’s probably lost on you, but i was actually emphasising the need for more diversity rather than excluding any one group.



You seem to be wanting to grasp onto anything that is an excuse for current situation, as if certain backgrounds are allergic to supporting the game, which is just not true.

That when the ‘diverse’ kids get old enough to make decisions for themselves and don’t go on to support a ‘diverse’ club it means a low support base for the game. Having events which only emphasises the mono-ethnic nature of clubs rather than embracing the local community doesn’t serve to increase that diversity. There’s no other way around that point.

I'm not saying certain ethnic backgrounds are allergic to the game - please quote the specific part where I said that. All I've said is that when it comes to senior football at a state league level, it's the wog clubs who overwhelmingly put money into that part of the game. 'Mainstream' clubs even with a history of strong junior numbers have not succeeded in this environment yet. You claim that I'm grasping - I reckon I'm providing evidence based upon my travels, discussions and interviews done with people from Morwell, Mildura, Hobart etc

South Spingvale and Malvern qualify from South East group. In group A big spending South Springvale will play Boxhill united with Port Melbourne and Oakliegh going head to head. Kinston City to play Malvern with heavywieghts South and Bentliegh playing.
Games played at Kingston next weekend.

Just curious to know whether all the team will be playing mainly there U21's in the group stages?

nah you weren't stating the that the wog clubs are the biggest, rather you were using the examples to suggest that there is not any support for the game more broadly i.e. certain backgrounds don't support it. The reality is the game has not engaged other backgrounds because of its mono-ethnic structure and there is not a diversity problem at other levels of the game.

Policy should encourage diversity to improve the games reach and my point was/is that a mono-ethnic cup however small won't help achieve a greater local connection.

What I am arguing is that we are heading towards a participation based model at all levels below a top tier. People of all backgrounds are - with a couple of notable exceptions such as perhaps the WAFL and SANFL - no longer interested in second tier sport as a spectator sport. People especially in metropolitan areas have innumerable options as to what to do with their limited leisure time, and they're not keen on wasting it watching on a lower level of competition.

This is why we have booming numbers in junior, women's, futsal, veterans, thirds etc soccer competitions. Soccer is an accessible game for several demographics unlike several rival sports (though the cost of participation is an issue). But as soon these people's participation is over (whether that is as players themselves or as parents of players) they leave the game at that level entirely. While this isn't a new phenomenon, there were at least sponsors and fanbases there in the past to disguise this fact. It has been apparently of a particular concern historically in the women's game, according to Vic women's soccer stalwart Betty Hoare, who I interviewed about two or three years ago. I hope that changes, or that it is changing.

I could even take you back to the 1940s to show you how increased leisure options create problems for sporting clubs. In the 1940s, Williamstown had a great team in the VFA, and decent crowds and membership numbers... as soon as petrol rationing ended however in 1949, despite the continued competitiveness of the team, membership and crowds fell. All of a sudden people weren't limited to what was right in front of them.

I can go to wog and mainstream clubs across the Melbourne metro area during the season, and for the most part I see the same thing - crowds made up of men 40 years and over, and me at 28 being basically the youngest person in attendance outside the reserves players and a few very young children... and you see the same thing in the VPL, where most reserves players and their parents leave as soon as they can. The model before the ethnic led boom in Victoria was also a participation based model, albeit with a far lower, perhaps even stagnant level of participation (and yet, strangely, often excellent crowds for matches by touring sides). Have a read of John Kallinikios' 'Soccer Boom', very accessible history of the transformation of the game during the 1950s especially.

Excellently expressed Blackmissionary. I've tried to say similar things in the past about second tier sport not being of interest to Aussies, but I've lacked your more detailed knowledge and examples.

The seniors group stage kicked off yesterday. Didn't see much of it as I got there a lot earlier to watch some under 21s and veterans matches and left after getting annoyed by sunburn and the apparent thrashing that Brunswick were going to get.

Heidelberg 3 Brunswick City 2
I watched most of the first half of this game, Bergers were 3-0 up against a City side that attacked well but defended poorly.

Northcote 0 Western Suburbs 0

Oakleigh 1 Port Melbourne 2

South Springvale 5 Box Hill 0

Oakliegh played a quite weakend side with very few seniors players and were unlucky not to draw
Boxhill played a weakned reserve squad agianst what seemed to be ss first 11

South Melb 2-0 Bentleigh. Trifiro and Joryeff scored the goals, good to get a clean-sheet after shipping 4 in a mid-week friendly.

Reasonably entertaining game between two State League 2 South-East rivals in Kingston and Malvern. Reds deserved to win it, though their goal was a bit comical, with the Malvern keeper running back towards goal to prevent a looping shot going in - and was judged by the linesman to have crossed the line. Kingston's fans under the shed were certain it was a goal, the keeper was incredulous, but the goal stood.

Does Kingston's ground have good food? I'm thinking of heading to some games there, assuming I won't be shunned for not being Greek

$8 souvs, they're ok depending on who you ask, but realistically not worth the price, especially with day old bread.

had a souv on sunday, very aveage. Not even the proper souv meat thats cut off the gyro. Just seemed like they had some shaslicks and cooked them then took the meat off. Was very dry as well. Would not reccomend them. Had one at western suburbs the wednesday before which was much better and cheaper.

The comment and examples about the reduction in sporting attendances are true, it's the case for the top tier as well, but it doesn't mean that there is no interest in second tier, the SANFL and WAFL examples are getting more interest not less, but they make sure all the different levels of the sport are connected. It may be the case that you are right, i don’t think you are as local sport offers something different, but it's too early to say either way.

What we can say is by holding events which only appeal to a small section of the community we reinforce the games stereotype and makes it harder to get people involved not from those backgrounds. I’m not sure it really matters if it is a attendance or participation based league in relation to that point.

Eh no, je thinks second tier attendance sport has no future, you were trying to claim a professional 2nd tier would be possible now *without* TV revenue.

Attendance vs participation does play a role here, because people are happy to send their children for example to clubs whose senior clubs are of an ethnic background - at that stage, because of their desire for their children to have access to what they perceive as the best resources, ethnicity is not an issue. In Melbourne's inner north, Brunswick Zebras and Essendon Royals are from all reports able to charge large amounts on their juniors, and yet still pull excellent numbers. Down the road, Moreland City, an Anglo-British club, charges much lower fees, but they don't seem to have that same amount of players or junior pedigree, at least not to an outsider like myself.

In the cases of the SANFL and WAFL, there are two important factors to consider. Firstly, the long history as part of the established culture those comps and teams have in those states - and the effects that the AFL and their local clubs have. With Port Power and the Crows having had a downturn in form in recent years (as well as the waiting list for Crows membership) people are more inclined to go local. In the WAFL's case, the long waiting list for Eagles memberships also matters, as well as, excepting the Eagles surprise success of last season, the previous form of the local teams.

For less successful transitions to second tier, at least again from an outsider's point of view, you have Newtown Jets and North Sydney rugby league clubs. Or look at the reliance that almost every VFA club has on affiliates for both crowds and financial survival. Even the ABC considered ditching their coverage of the VFL for this year. Going further down into third tier sport, Melbourne's western suburbs used to have two footy leagues... they merged 20 years ago, and about half the teams have disappeared since.

What local sport offers as a point of difference now is participation, and when it comes to the football codes, soccer does it best.

The point of difference in an attendance based local league is closer to the action, representatives of your local area, cheaper and different food and drinks, looking at up and coming players and players connected with a-league clubs. Some of that is done poorly.

If we have solely a participation model ala cricket, it wouldn’t be a bad thing, because some of that converts to watching support, but we need to convert many more kiddies to adults playing the game. The natural way to do that is to not set the game up so it only appeals to certain elements of the local community.

This is where we disagree Kapow - someone like you or I can theoretically be convinced to attend a 2nd tier match because we can see some value in doing so. Other people, the majority, can't.

Why would someone visit a 2nd tier sport as a spectator when they have myriad other first class options, and not just in a sporting sense? That's the thinking that has partly been responsible for the thinning out of spectator numbers in 2nd tier sport? How many people are keen to stick around to watch more soccer after they've already watched their kids train or have played themselves three days a week? Especially if its played on a different day?

And to be honest, picking on the Hellenic Cup is such a petty act, Kapow. It's a shambles of a pre-season tournament often played in 35 degree heat. It's not designed to attract new people - it struggles to attract even the spectators of the clubs that participate.

Nah i'm not being petty, maybe as i don't have the local experience that you have i don't appreciate how insignificant it is, but i just feel until we get mainstream acceptance we should be doing everything possible to make teams as strong a local representatives as possible. Perhaps that’s a little idealistic on my part.

Let's put it this way, in the last five or so years, even the Hellenic Cup has turned towards a participation orientation. Used to be a solely senior club/spectator oriented tournament. Now it has veterans, under 21s and womens competitions included (the women's comp including non-Greek aligned teams, including WVPL ones). At the end of the year, they have a junior Hellenic Cup.

fair enough, however you have to consider how others view it and how the game is viewed generally.

The competing teams will soon spend 6-7 months in regular, proper competition. You're getting your knickers in a twist about a month long pre-season kick-about that even you yourself seem to know very little about.

I know how the game is generally viewed, Kapow. And in general no-one but the most absolute hardcore knows or cares about this tournament - even some of the formerly regular participants prefer to do other things. The best thing about the comp is the food (depends which venues are used) and the prizemoney (10k for the winner of the final). I swear, I must have paid attention for all of 25 minutes last week, because I was so busy catching up with people I hadn't seen over the off-season.

As i said fair enough. As long as you recognise the importance of presenting the game in a fashion that changes how it is viewed, i accept i don't have the experience and knowledge you have of the cup and local scene generally to assess its impact.

any results yet?

Northcote 3 Yarraville 0
Heidelberg 0 Altona East 0
Port Melbourne 4 Box Hill 0
South Melbourne 1 Kingston 1

Oakleigh 0 Sth Springvale 0

Bentleigh 0 Malvern 0

Come on Yarraville!!!

any results from last night?

Port Melbourne 1 South Springvale 1
South Melbourne 3 Malvern 0
Oakleigh beat Box Hill

Quarter finals on today.

Any reports on any of the games?

South through to semis on Wednesday after Altona East forfeited their match.

Heidelberg 3 Kingston 1 - Bergers also through to semis.

Also Western Suburbs and Northcote through.

http://southmelbournefc.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/fuck-hellenic-cup.html





Edited by Krackovich: 5/3/2012 09:09:27 AM

Senior semis will be

Heidelberg vs Northcote
South Melbourne vs Western Suburbs

Heidelberg vs Western Suburbs final. Both semi finals were decided on penalties.

Western Suburbs won their first Hellenic Cup title with a 3-1 win over Heidelberg. The Bergers had Tommi Tommich in goals, and he apparently made two howlers. South came from 2-0 down to win the 3rd place playoff of 3-2 against Northcote. Heidelberg won the women's comp 1-0 over Box Hill. Veterans was won by Altona East 5-1 over Malvern Kinisi.

Massive result by WS
$10k is big money for a state 1 team
Congratulations to them - also a favourite for promotion next season

Imagine this Guys - I can see Port Melbourne and the Western Suburbs promoted next season
That would make the following clubs with a Greek Heritage in season 2013

South Melbourne
Heidelberg
Oakleigh
Northcote
Bentleigh
Western Suburbs
Port Melbourne

FMD - the comp should be called the Greek Premier League = GPL
Sponsored by Kapow




Edited by chris: 11/3/2012 11:13:17 PM