The A-league Expansion Thread


The A-league Expansion Thread

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Heart_fan - 11 Mar 2020 10:20 PM
inala brah - 11 Mar 2020 6:05 PM

The focus should be getting a 2nd tier underway and then promoting a couple of clubs after a few years to the top tier of they meet certain criteria. 

I actually see a 2nd tier as more important for the health of the game than growing the A-League past 12 teams in the coming seasons, so getting that up and running will support the growth of the top tier also.

We need to get the A-League to 14 teams so teams play each other twice in a 26 round season.
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Gyfox - 11 Mar 2020 11:48 PM
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We need to get the A-League to 14 teams so teams play each other twice in a 26 round season.

16 teams with a 30 round home and away season is the perfect scenario I think.
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evolution - 12 Mar 2020 1:25 PM
Gyfox - 11 Mar 2020 11:48 PM

16 teams with a 30 round home and away season is the perfect scenario I think.

If we had 16 teams, and a professional second division, I would think the bottom 4 spots should be relegated.


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MarkfromCroydon - 12 Mar 2020 2:07 PM
evolution - 12 Mar 2020 1:25 PM

If we had 16 teams, and a professional second division, I would think the bottom 4 spots should be relegated.


4 is too many - EPL with 20 teams only relegates 3 a season.

2 would be ideal.
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evolution - 12 Mar 2020 2:44 PM
MarkfromCroydon - 12 Mar 2020 2:07 PM

4 is too many - EPL with 20 teams only relegates 3 a season.

2 would be ideal.

Yes it’s 3 but 6 get the chance

i don’t think it should be too hard for clubs to re gain promotion.

ie if you had 16 teams do something like A1 14th v A2 5th vs A2 3rd vs A2 4th
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evolution - 12 Mar 2020 2:44 PM
MarkfromCroydon - 12 Mar 2020 2:07 PM

4 is too many - EPL with 20 teams only relegates 3 a season.

2 would be ideal.

There's been a history of 4 going down in other leagues around the world (eg Brazil, Argentina etc). League 1 in England sends 4 teams down.
I like the idea that in a 16 team division, you have to finish in the top 75% of teams. I think 4 out of 16 would be just right.
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evolution - 12 Mar 2020 1:25 PM
Gyfox - 11 Mar 2020 11:48 PM

16 teams with a 30 round home and away season is the perfect scenario I think.

X2
BR see themselves as a Southern Brisbane entity, training out of Logan so, expanding to the north, playing out at Redcliffe for a new team is where one team should spawn out from.. Peninsula Power?
South Hobart would be a good idea, a state with only an A League team, FFA should get in.
Then, teams 15 & 16 could come out of Npl.
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This is interesting.  A proposal from Mark Schwarzer, under the banner of Optus Sport:


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bettega - 18 May 2020 2:10 PM
This is interesting.  A proposal from Mark Schwarzer, under the banner of Optus Sport:


No thanks. Jog on.
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bettega - 18 May 2020 2:10 PM
This is interesting.  A proposal from Mark Schwarzer, under the banner of Optus Sport:


This makes no sense to me at all, at best youre gonna get maybe 3 teams based from the WA/NT conference that might get a reasonable following size, although thats pretty unlikely that they get a solid amount of support.

Between ACT, NSW and QLD there could easily be 10 teams in itself, North Queensland, Gold Coast, Ipswich, 2nd Brisbane, Sunshine Coast, then Canberra in ACT and probably another 3 or 4 based Sydney clubs, Sutherland region, Olympic possible, northern beaches, another western sydney based in the penrith region. And also Wollongong and possibly a second newcastle club if were going mad with all this expansion.

Like how on earth has he come up with these divides, like on a map seems right, when you look at population hes lost the plot!!!! Surely he cant expect a 12 team second division with 3 conferences, and have 2 or 3 clubs for one. And then like 4-6 for the other two?



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bettega - 18 May 2020 2:10 PM
This is interesting.  A proposal from Mark Schwarzer, under the banner of Optus Sport:


This is really interesting, first Optus does the specials on the effnik clubs,  plus the discussions they were having with Football Victoria and now this, could Opts be the home of the NSD?









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elksy - 18 May 2020 4:13 PM
bettega - 18 May 2020 2:10 PM

This makes no sense to me at all, at best youre gonna get maybe 3 teams based from the WA/NT conference that might get a reasonable following size, although thats pretty unlikely that they get a solid amount of support.

Between ACT, NSW and QLD there could easily be 10 teams in itself, North Queensland, Gold Coast, Ipswich, 2nd Brisbane, Sunshine Coast, then Canberra in ACT and probably another 3 or 4 based Sydney clubs, Sutherland region, Olympic possible, northern beaches, another western sydney based in the penrith region. And also Wollongong and possibly a second newcastle club if were going mad with all this expansion.

Like how on earth has he come up with these divides, like on a map seems right, when you look at population hes lost the plot!!!! Surely he cant expect a 12 team second division with 3 conferences, and have 2 or 3 clubs for one. And then like 4-6 for the other two?



I think you should read it that WA is out of the loop.
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elksy - 18 May 2020 4:13 PM
bettega - 18 May 2020 2:10 PM

This makes no sense to me at all, at best youre gonna get maybe 3 teams based from the WA/NT conference that might get a reasonable following size, although thats pretty unlikely that they get a solid amount of support.

Between ACT, NSW and QLD there could easily be 10 teams in itself, North Queensland, Gold Coast, Ipswich, 2nd Brisbane, Sunshine Coast, then Canberra in ACT and probably another 3 or 4 based Sydney clubs, Sutherland region, Olympic possible, northern beaches, another western sydney based in the penrith region. And also Wollongong and possibly a second newcastle club if were going mad with all this expansion.

Like how on earth has he come up with these divides, like on a map seems right, when you look at population hes lost the plot!!!! Surely he cant expect a 12 team second division with 3 conferences, and have 2 or 3 clubs for one. And then like 4-6 for the other two?



The idea is total nonsense.  Put half the population with 60% of the registered players and 50% of the A-League clubs in one conference and divide the rest between two conferences.  Where is the logic and fairness with that?  Maybe the NSW/Qld conference is the NSD and the other 2 are the NTD and NFD. ;)


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It would be just a shitty but more expensive option of NPL than we have now.
How would having three different conferences pool the best of the remaining talent amongst one another when it still spreads so sparsely.
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aussie pride - 18 May 2020 9:11 PM
It would be just a shitty but more expensive option of NPL than we have now.
How would having three different conferences pool the best of the remaining talent amongst one another when it still spreads so sparsely.

Mentioning the NT WA group is just being diplomatic. Instead of doing the entire map navy except Qld and NSW.

Would be surprised if WA gets a team in a NSD at all. Unless the FA does something.

Also NNSW have previously none of the clubs could afford it. ACT, although having more media statements from clubs, are/were in the same position.

Even though the company colours are what they are, they are correct. It would be a Melbourne league plus extras and a Sydney league plus extras.


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scott20won - 18 May 2020 9:49 PM
aussie pride - 18 May 2020 9:11 PM

Mentioning the NT WA group is just being diplomatic. Instead of doing the entire map navy except Qld and NSW.

Would be surprised if WA gets a team in a NSD at all. Unless the FA does something.

Also NNSW have previously none of the clubs could afford it. ACT, although having more media statements from clubs, are/were in the same position.

Even though the company colours are what they are, they are correct. It would be a Melbourne league plus extras and a Sydney league plus extras.


so basically... an "NRL" conference Vs "AFL" Conference 
Conferences are stupid in football  we need to stick with 1 whole league for the NSD even if it is NSL v2  full of the old NSL stalwarts  + friends like a Palmerless GCU, PerthSC and Sth Hobart




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GDeathe - 18 May 2020 11:55 PM
scott20won - 18 May 2020 9:49 PM

so basically... an "NRL" conference Vs "AFL" Conference 
Conferences are stupid in football  we need to stick with 1 whole league for the NSD even if it is NSL v2  full of the old NSL stalwarts  + friends like a Palmerless GCU, PerthSC and Sth Hobart




Don’t like either but it is an easier way for them to get more teams and many more intracity matches. 

Maybe a 4 v 4 finals series.

if the conference thing gets up would like to see a NSD Cup. Where you only play teams from other conference. 

I still think it is a mistake not to have Syd v Mel teams. I would still prefer a conference system than to have AL junior teams in it.
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scott20won - 19 May 2020 12:22 AM
GDeathe - 18 May 2020 11:55 PM

Don’t like either but it is an easier way for them to get more teams and many more intracity matches. 

Maybe a 4 v 4 finals series.

if the conference thing gets up would like to see a NSD Cup. Where you only play teams from other conference. 

I still think it is a mistake not to have Syd v Mel teams. I would still prefer a conference system than to have AL junior teams in it.

Ideally a full length NYL/Reserves comp mirroring the A League should also be happening as well but as the reserves for the A League not as the second division. However, that might have to wait at the moment 
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https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/video/1739126339662/a-league-must-move-winter-aloisi?playlist=latest-videos-twg
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Here are Marks statements.

I agree it could work for semi pro 3rd div. Also as some have mentioned here the Qld NSW division could/would have more teams and as Mark states more teams could/should be promoted. 

Its prpbably more more important to get something up and running and if it ends up being a 3rd div format then great.
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Lucy and Fozz interview JJ, discussion about NSD

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Amazing how experts seem to forget that young players are now playing 30 odd matches a season in the various NPL comps and NPL youth structures. Plus the NYL on top of that. The level of the NPL comps may be questionable but the top youngsters in the country are playing 30-40 games a year, some against men, and can play Aleague if they're good enough too.
Certainly room for improvement but still a better situation than we've had for a long time.  
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From page 44 of the "XI Principles" for the future of Australian football FFA document:

* Expanding the A-League with the goal of reaching 16 teams in the next two expansion stages – expansion should also consider both sporting and administrative performance of clubs from the second tier.

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evolution - 2 Jul 2020 4:23 PM
From page 44 of the "XI Principles" for the future of Australian football FFA document:

* Expanding the A-League with the goal of reaching 16 teams in the next two expansion stages – expansion should also consider both sporting and administrative performance of clubs from the second tier.

Stage 1: Brisbane 2 (City or Strikers/United) & Canberra United.
Stage 2: Auckland City and Gold Coast United.
Can't see the outcome being anything other than that in a sixteen team Aus & NZ comp.
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That's the sort of language you use when you don't really want to do something  (like implement P&R).

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karta - 2 Jul 2020 4:50 PM
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Stage 1: Brisbane 2 (City or Strikers/United) & Canberra United.
Stage 2: Auckland City and Gold Coast United.
Can't see the outcome being anything other than that in a sixteen team Aus & NZ comp.

Hopefully the people deciding on Brisbane2 have a better idea of the local landscape than you do. Two of the worst/least supported clubs there. 
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Waz - 2 Jul 2020 10:23 PM
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Hopefully the people deciding on Brisbane2 have a better idea of the local landscape than you do. Two of the worst/least supported clubs there. 

What a bizarre post. Those were two of the clubs that were (briefly) involved in the most recent expansion round. 
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What appeal for good players does Canberra have? Not seeing it..
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bettega - 2 Jul 2020 7:46 PM
That's the sort of language you use when you don't really want to do something  (like implement P&R).

Honestly the concept of a NSD has to be looked at separately to P&R in its initial stages.

It needs to be seen as a competition that can see the strongest clubs given The opportunity to be promoted to the top tier to eventually get us to 16 teams, then taking steps to add the R part to the equation.

It’s not an easy thing to get right, as whatever they do has to ensure that we build upon solid foundations, not just try and find solutions to implement things quickly that sound great in theory but will crumble easily. 

JJ is atleast talking and getting the conversation started, and it’s now up to him to guide that process forward. The lack of guidance towards any positive outcomes is ultimate what saw Gallop fail.

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