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+x+x+xCan I ask the question, why does the A-League need to expand? Personally I think 10 teams is fine, anything over 12 is pushing it. I'm for pro / rel (even though I think it will never happen) and I think creating franchises year after year is unsustainable. I understand having a NZ team but I'm not particularly for it, why does Canberra need a team? I know they have a women's team in the A-League W but I am completely unaware of them and npl capital football. mostly to get the season length up probably also helps to have more pathways Ah more pathways didn't think of that, makes sense tbh. Am I dense or would playing another team 3-4 times in a season work (Hint MLB)? Is there something logistical I'm over seeing? Mate, playing the same teams 3 or 4 times doesn't create more playing spots for footballers..... Perhaps it increases actual playing time, which is a good thing for developing players, but still keeps hundreds of talented players outside the tent.
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+xCan I ask the question, why does the A-League need to expand? Personally I think 10 teams is fine, anything over 12 is pushing it. I'm for pro / rel (even though I think it will never happen) and I think creating franchises year after year is unsustainable. I understand having a NZ team but I'm not particularly for it, why does Canberra need a team? I know they have a women's team in the A-League W but I am completely unaware of them and npl capital football. Becuase investors that have paid for a license expect to get a return on their initial investment. Distribution from broadcasting is almost non-existent now and is only going to get less ... only way they can inject some much needed funds into their coffers is selling more licenses at ever increasing rates.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
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+x+x+x+xCan I ask the question, why does the A-League need to expand? Personally I think 10 teams is fine, anything over 12 is pushing it. I'm for pro / rel (even though I think it will never happen) and I think creating franchises year after year is unsustainable. I understand having a NZ team but I'm not particularly for it, why does Canberra need a team? I know they have a women's team in the A-League W but I am completely unaware of them and npl capital football. mostly to get the season length up probably also helps to have more pathways Ah more pathways didn't think of that, makes sense tbh. Am I dense or would playing another team 3-4 times in a season work (Hint MLB)? Is there something logistical I'm over seeing? Mate, playing the same teams 3 or 4 times doesn't create more playing spots for footballers..... Perhaps it increases actual playing time, which is a good thing for developing players, but still keeps hundreds of talented players outside the tent. Yeah an oversight on my part. What do we think the limit on teams is realistically?
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+x+x+x+x+xCan I ask the question, why does the A-League need to expand? Personally I think 10 teams is fine, anything over 12 is pushing it. I'm for pro / rel (even though I think it will never happen) and I think creating franchises year after year is unsustainable. I understand having a NZ team but I'm not particularly for it, why does Canberra need a team? I know they have a women's team in the A-League W but I am completely unaware of them and npl capital football. mostly to get the season length up probably also helps to have more pathways Ah more pathways didn't think of that, makes sense tbh. Am I dense or would playing another team 3-4 times in a season work (Hint MLB)? Is there something logistical I'm over seeing? Mate, playing the same teams 3 or 4 times doesn't create more playing spots for footballers..... Perhaps it increases actual playing time, which is a good thing for developing players, but still keeps hundreds of talented players outside the tent. Yeah an oversight on my part. What do we think the limit on teams is realistically? For the Aleague? No idea... Only limitation is the greed of the APL. I can foresee an attempt at "expansion" into neighbouring countries within the next 5-10 years and there are at least another 5-10 "markets" in Australia/NZ they will try and sell to someone.
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+xCan I ask the question, why does the A-League need to expand? 25 million reasons plus the discussion also provides a smokescreen for gullible idiots as to why it's so shit
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Need at least 30 rounds so, 16 teams would be best
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+xNeed at least 30 rounds so, 16 teams would be best Should they start naming the "derbies" first and see where it goes?
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+x+xNeed at least 30 rounds so, 16 teams would be best Should they start naming the "derbies" first and see where it goes? Yes, I'll start with South Melbourne vs Sydney Olympic the Yeeros & tzatziki derby..Rockdale Illinden vs Preston Mac the Chuvapi derby.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xCan I ask the question, why does the A-League need to expand? Personally I think 10 teams is fine, anything over 12 is pushing it. I'm for pro / rel (even though I think it will never happen) and I think creating franchises year after year is unsustainable. I understand having a NZ team but I'm not particularly for it, why does Canberra need a team? I know they have a women's team in the A-League W but I am completely unaware of them and npl capital football. mostly to get the season length up probably also helps to have more pathways Ah more pathways didn't think of that, makes sense tbh. Am I dense or would playing another team 3-4 times in a season work (Hint MLB)? Is there something logistical I'm over seeing? Mate, playing the same teams 3 or 4 times doesn't create more playing spots for footballers..... Perhaps it increases actual playing time, which is a good thing for developing players, but still keeps hundreds of talented players outside the tent. Yeah an oversight on my part. What do we think the limit on teams is realistically? For the Aleague? No idea... Only limitation is the greed of the APL. I can foresee an attempt at "expansion" into neighbouring countries within the next 5-10 years and there are at least another 5-10 "markets" in Australia/NZ they will try and sell to someone. That is a gross oversimplification, and you know it.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCan I ask the question, why does the A-League need to expand? Personally I think 10 teams is fine, anything over 12 is pushing it. I'm for pro / rel (even though I think it will never happen) and I think creating franchises year after year is unsustainable. I understand having a NZ team but I'm not particularly for it, why does Canberra need a team? I know they have a women's team in the A-League W but I am completely unaware of them and npl capital football. mostly to get the season length up probably also helps to have more pathways Ah more pathways didn't think of that, makes sense tbh. Am I dense or would playing another team 3-4 times in a season work (Hint MLB)? Is there something logistical I'm over seeing? Mate, playing the same teams 3 or 4 times doesn't create more playing spots for footballers..... Perhaps it increases actual playing time, which is a good thing for developing players, but still keeps hundreds of talented players outside the tent. Yeah an oversight on my part. What do we think the limit on teams is realistically? For the Aleague? No idea... Only limitation is the greed of the APL. I can foresee an attempt at "expansion" into neighbouring countries within the next 5-10 years and there are at least another 5-10 "markets" in Australia/NZ they will try and sell to someone. That is a gross oversimplification, and you know it. Absolutely it is, but not incorrect.
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+x+x+xNeed at least 30 rounds so, 16 teams would be best Should they start naming the "derbies" first and see where it goes? Yes, I'll start with South Melbourne vs Sydney Olympic the Yeeros & tzatziki derby..Rockdale Illinden vs Preston Mac the Chuvapi derby. WTF is "yeeros"??? Going with your food theme are most plastic derbies the "sausage roll and soggy chips derby"?
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+x+x+x+xNeed at least 30 rounds so, 16 teams would be best Should they start naming the "derbies" first and see where it goes? Yes, I'll start with South Melbourne vs Sydney Olympic the Yeeros & tzatziki derby..Rockdale Illinden vs Preston Mac the Chuvapi derby. WTF is "yeeros"??? Going with your food theme are most plastic derbies the "sausage roll and soggy chips derby"? What's a yeeros? Prefer Giros? Are you a real Greek re?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCan I ask the question, why does the A-League need to expand? Personally I think 10 teams is fine, anything over 12 is pushing it. I'm for pro / rel (even though I think it will never happen) and I think creating franchises year after year is unsustainable. I understand having a NZ team but I'm not particularly for it, why does Canberra need a team? I know they have a women's team in the A-League W but I am completely unaware of them and npl capital football. mostly to get the season length up probably also helps to have more pathways Ah more pathways didn't think of that, makes sense tbh. Am I dense or would playing another team 3-4 times in a season work (Hint MLB)? Is there something logistical I'm over seeing? Mate, playing the same teams 3 or 4 times doesn't create more playing spots for footballers..... Perhaps it increases actual playing time, which is a good thing for developing players, but still keeps hundreds of talented players outside the tent. Yeah an oversight on my part. What do we think the limit on teams is realistically? For the Aleague? No idea... Only limitation is the greed of the APL. I can foresee an attempt at "expansion" into neighbouring countries within the next 5-10 years and there are at least another 5-10 "markets" in Australia/NZ they will try and sell to someone. That is a gross oversimplification, and you know it. Absolutely it is, but not incorrect. An oversimplification can only ever be partly correct. For example, APL, I would argue are motivated by survival. Greed, by any measure, is an inappropriate descriptor in the financial morass of the A League.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCan I ask the question, why does the A-League need to expand? Personally I think 10 teams is fine, anything over 12 is pushing it. I'm for pro / rel (even though I think it will never happen) and I think creating franchises year after year is unsustainable. I understand having a NZ team but I'm not particularly for it, why does Canberra need a team? I know they have a women's team in the A-League W but I am completely unaware of them and npl capital football. mostly to get the season length up probably also helps to have more pathways Ah more pathways didn't think of that, makes sense tbh. Am I dense or would playing another team 3-4 times in a season work (Hint MLB)? Is there something logistical I'm over seeing? Mate, playing the same teams 3 or 4 times doesn't create more playing spots for footballers..... Perhaps it increases actual playing time, which is a good thing for developing players, but still keeps hundreds of talented players outside the tent. Yeah an oversight on my part. What do we think the limit on teams is realistically? For the Aleague? No idea... Only limitation is the greed of the APL. I can foresee an attempt at "expansion" into neighbouring countries within the next 5-10 years and there are at least another 5-10 "markets" in Australia/NZ they will try and sell to someone. That is a gross oversimplification, and you know it. Absolutely it is, but not incorrect. Which I suppose, semantically speaking, is your point.
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I see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha.
The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs.
I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable.
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+x+x+x+x+xNeed at least 30 rounds so, 16 teams would be best Should they start naming the "derbies" first and see where it goes? Yes, I'll start with South Melbourne vs Sydney Olympic the Yeeros & tzatziki derby..Rockdale Illinden vs Preston Mac the Chuvapi derby. WTF is "yeeros"??? Going with your food theme are most plastic derbies the "sausage roll and soggy chips derby"? What's a yeeros? Prefer Giros? Are you a real Greek re? Try Gyros.... its much tastier re lol
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCan I ask the question, why does the A-League need to expand? Personally I think 10 teams is fine, anything over 12 is pushing it. I'm for pro / rel (even though I think it will never happen) and I think creating franchises year after year is unsustainable. I understand having a NZ team but I'm not particularly for it, why does Canberra need a team? I know they have a women's team in the A-League W but I am completely unaware of them and npl capital football. mostly to get the season length up probably also helps to have more pathways Ah more pathways didn't think of that, makes sense tbh. Am I dense or would playing another team 3-4 times in a season work (Hint MLB)? Is there something logistical I'm over seeing? Mate, playing the same teams 3 or 4 times doesn't create more playing spots for footballers..... Perhaps it increases actual playing time, which is a good thing for developing players, but still keeps hundreds of talented players outside the tent. Yeah an oversight on my part. What do we think the limit on teams is realistically? For the Aleague? No idea... Only limitation is the greed of the APL. I can foresee an attempt at "expansion" into neighbouring countries within the next 5-10 years and there are at least another 5-10 "markets" in Australia/NZ they will try and sell to someone. That is a gross oversimplification, and you know it. Absolutely it is, but not incorrect. An oversimplification can only ever be partly correct. For example, APL, I would argue are motivated by survival. Greed, by any measure, is an inappropriate descriptor in the financial morass of the A League. Indeed, however survival requires a degree of greed Its what the system is "propped up" by. OK perhaps "greed" is an oversimplification, would "uber-capitalism" suffice? hahahahahaaha
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+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs...
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+x+xCan I ask the question, why does the A-League need to expand? 25 million reasons plus the discussion also provides a smokescreen for gullible idiots as to why it's so shit The prosecutions case rests m'lud
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+x+x+x+x+x+xNeed at least 30 rounds so, 16 teams would be best Should they start naming the "derbies" first and see where it goes? Yes, I'll start with South Melbourne vs Sydney Olympic the Yeeros & tzatziki derby..Rockdale Illinden vs Preston Mac the Chuvapi derby. WTF is "yeeros"??? Going with your food theme are most plastic derbies the "sausage roll and soggy chips derby"? What's a yeeros? Prefer Giros? Are you a real Greek re? Try Gyros.... its much tastier re lol Haha..
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+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... what is the hybrid model APIA is going for?
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+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. yeah the apl floated something like that. Promotion to the a league for a season is fine. They might struggle to expand much without the nst by the looks of it? They were planning to expand by 2 clubs per season
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+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... what is the hybrid model APIA is going for? Selling 49% stake of the club to investors... trying to emulate the Bundi model....
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+x+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... what is the hybrid model APIA is going for? Selling 49% stake of the club to investors... trying to emulate the Bundi model.... sounds a great idea tbh
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCan I ask the question, why does the A-League need to expand? Personally I think 10 teams is fine, anything over 12 is pushing it. I'm for pro / rel (even though I think it will never happen) and I think creating franchises year after year is unsustainable. I understand having a NZ team but I'm not particularly for it, why does Canberra need a team? I know they have a women's team in the A-League W but I am completely unaware of them and npl capital football. mostly to get the season length up probably also helps to have more pathways Ah more pathways didn't think of that, makes sense tbh. Am I dense or would playing another team 3-4 times in a season work (Hint MLB)? Is there something logistical I'm over seeing? Mate, playing the same teams 3 or 4 times doesn't create more playing spots for footballers..... Perhaps it increases actual playing time, which is a good thing for developing players, but still keeps hundreds of talented players outside the tent. Yeah an oversight on my part. What do we think the limit on teams is realistically? For the Aleague? No idea... Only limitation is the greed of the APL. I can foresee an attempt at "expansion" into neighbouring countries within the next 5-10 years and there are at least another 5-10 "markets" in Australia/NZ they will try and sell to someone. That is a gross oversimplification, and you know it. Absolutely it is, but not incorrect. An oversimplification can only ever be partly correct. For example, APL, I would argue are motivated by survival. Greed, by any measure, is an inappropriate descriptor in the financial morass of the A League. Indeed, however survival requires a degree of greed Its what the system is "propped up" by. OK perhaps "greed" is an oversimplification, would "uber-capitalism" suffice? hahahahahaaha Well, greed is appropriating more than you need. To be fair, the A League clubs are all running at an loss, with the possible exception of the Adelaide.
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+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... Yeah, I'm thinking the APL might want to create a few more clubs at the same time the NST is building, then link them up down the track. Tier 1 let's say would be 13 + Canberra, Tasmania, Gold Coast... then maybe Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Christchurch for example... and promote the best candidate from the NST for 20. Bottom four get cut to tier 2, and tier 2 drop their bottom four to the conferences. Then we're up and running with full pro/rel. Basically, we need half a dozen clubs in the 2nd tier every season with the infrastructure/licensing to jump to A-League. Otherwise each season will always be an ad-hoc mess. But all this could be 50 years away haha. I'm just trying to find a way that works, regardless of attitudes and infighting.
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