Can confirm.

Much Dutch.

-PB

does the brisbane roar have a mainly dutch supporter fan base from brisbane or are their fans generally anyone from brisbane?

Leave Paulc alone!!!!!

The game has moved on. Society has moved on. The de-ethnicising might have been needed 15-20 years ago but we now have enough clubs capable of paying the bills and competing at a national level to not try and exclude the greatest strength of our game - it's multiculturalism.

If the FFA were really honest about the situation they'd admit they are terrified of anti-social behaviour being over reported in the media and scaring off potential new fans/sponsors (income), and that they still believe the "ethnic = risk of bad behaviour" stereotype from the NSL.

Instead of targeting ethnicity they simply need to start targeting anti-social behaviour. Let clubs know what behaviours they don't want seen at football grounds, let them know what the punishments are, help them develop ways to sort their shit (don't impose one size fits all crap) and deal with the real issue.

Football is the greatest game in the country, it links us to the world, it represents the multicultural society we live in these two things are our greatest asset. Let the market decide what works, if a club representing a small section of society can survive great, if they can't, they'll learn they need to attract a wider fanbase.

A repeat of the the demise of the old nsl won't happen because there are enough new thinking people in enough clubs to avoid it.

Not even close to the Dutch badge .Totally different looking lion ,facing the opposite direction and no sword in hand. Absolutely no similarity.

The colour orange was originally because of Dutch connection but no one can claim a colour as being representative of a country .Originally it was orange blue and maroon. Orange and blue for Holland and maroon for Qld.
Black and white were added and the maroon and blue deleted.
Any tenuous link with Holland is all but gone .

CCM are yellow ...does that mean they are of Brazilian affiliation

Roar have no one of Dutch extraction in any official position ...and most importantly......most fans of Roar are not Dutch and do not in any way associate with the club because of any perceived link with its Dutch origins.
We have a huge cross section of fans from all backgrounds and cultures,Greek,Italian,Dutch ,German ,Brazilian,Argentian,American,African,Indian,Australian etc etc etc.

The big telling point in all this is what country do the fans of a club associate that club with .
It's pretty obvious in most cases what clubs attract only one ethnic group .

BTW I have no issue personally with ethnic clubs existing.... just don't want them in the A-League and not because I dislike any particular ethnic group but because I love the multicultural feel at all A-League games and want it to stay multicultural .

Edited by miron mercedes: 20/8/2014 08:30:10 PM

Edited by miron mercedes: 20/8/2014 08:36:49 PM

Couldn't have said it better myself =d> =d> =d>

Await the inevitable sanction to be issued to Hollandia. Nice to see the FFA cracking down on this blatant ethnic chauvinism.

=d> Excellent.

Well said

Outdone yourself this time FFT Forum.

Dumbest thread yet.

:lol:

Melbourne City is clearly also in breach no matter how much anyone tries to sugar coat it. There is political and national insignia that is not Australian in origin.

Soccerlogic has a point. You may not agree but you should at least concede that much rather than write-off his clearly (well) thought out posts.

Play the argument not the man.

No buddy. We don't want to see a repeat of the NSL.

I stopped reading his posts at "logic".

The policy is stupid, not this thread.

The BR situation shows how easy it is to bring in question any kit/logo/colour choice. This demonstrates how ineffective the policy will be. Very easy for clubs to show precedence that the policy isn't being uniformly enforced. The policy is about managing perceptions so it must be perceived to be be implemented fairly.

Clubs should be allowed to represent whatever microcosm of our community they care to, if that means they aren't financially viable by not being able to attract a wider fanbase or corporate backing then it's their decision to make.

1930 and 1950.

Hellas fans :lol:

FootbalLogic the aliasing in your signature burns my eyes.

Firstly, thanks for understanding what this thread's about. I'd argue with the FFA that it is up to clubs to decide how they engage with fans. Although I understand the need to stop extremist ethnic communities developing around clubs many of these teams are central to migrant communities and should be allowed to represent themselves as they see fit.

Unfortunately sweeping policies like this don't change attitude, if you remember attempts like this were made in the 1990s NSL but despite name changes clubs remained supported by the same people and conducted their business in the same way. Many clubs have since reverted to their original names . Football is a microcosm of Australian society and the only way to make these clubs accessible to everyone is for 1. clubs to open up to communities on their own terms and 2. for communities to be open to different cultures.

The FFA should at least change this policy to prevent political logos being adopted as opposed to ethnic ones. I understand if people won't support clubs with fascist cultures but can't understand why people would be opposed to going to a match, eating a pizza and saying "forza team" instead of a meat pie and saying "go team."



Unfortunately this is due to the broad nature of the policy. Without examples the policy could be interpreted to eliminate any logo.

It does bring into question though who would be targeted. The red and white example is interesting because the way I see it and from what I'm reading people would have no objection to non-ethnic teams wearing those colours but would feel uncomfortable if a club of Polish roots did. Is the issue here of loaded meaning or the view that this team feels special wearing these colours? I think the mental barriers are as much created by outsiders as the visual barriers are by club insiders.



I was probably mistaken by putting such an emphasis on BR and not the policy itself. Brisbane have Dutch roots, they clearly have no "Dutch mentality," or ties to the dutch community today, however the combination of Dutch colours and symbolism, somewhat bear a loaded message when coupled with the club's history.

Under the broad NIP the logo fails the criteria. I am arguing that this is proof that we need to rethink the NIP, if not scrap it entirely.

BR are the perfect example of a club that defy the common perception of ethnic clubs in Australia. They have ethnic roots, they ARE IN NO WAY connected to the same ethnic community today but in history and symbolism however the NIP has the right to take this away from them.

BR have taken their past and redefined themselves, and they will continue to redefine themselves. BR and all Australian clubs deserve this right, to represent their history, culture, fans, players in anyway they like, in my eyes as long as it is not POLITICAL. The NIP threatens to take this right away and will somewhat prevent clubs in the future defining themselves by their past.

So finally, hopefully to clear things up on this thread, what should be done about the NIP considering the case of Brisbane Roar?

The fact is (which is a word you're too stupid to comprehend) is that many have a chuckle after their own post but you say it's only me, well here :lol:

It must be all that kulcha behind it,

Like you, in every single post.

Those that are factually wrong again and again are the embarrassment :d

Only you laugh at your own posts. Fucking embarrassing.

Well the Greeks call them Hillbillies so I'm fucked if I know.:lol:

Ah, they're shit stiring trying to make it think its a club like Melb Croatia as an example. :lol:

Last time I went to a Melb Croatia match in Sunshine next to the tip, on the last year of the NSL, you had to pass their social club rooms from the carpark where they have pre game functions. All you could hear is Croatian music. Approaching the ticket box and the bloke at the box kept talking to an official in Croatian whilst handing out tickets. Enter the ground and you get handed calendars written in Croatian. The game starts and soon after, nationalistic chants and songs, foreign flags, flares and all the rest.

But they feel bitter because they're not treated like clubs that have or want to broaden their base.

Fucking mind boggling. :lol:

I'm afraid you've seriously underestimated just how bad this thread actually is.......

Greek Macedonia or Yugoslav Macedonia?