Guess Brisbane Loins are Dutch as well than :lol:

The original club was founded as a Dutch based club, but they themselves changed a long time ago, and the side that was set up for the A-league has even less of those connections. You have to take into account the club as it was entered in the A-league as much as the club that still operates. If the Roar satisfied the FFA back in 2004 upon winning the rights with the name and imagery that they chose then, it's hard to argue that a simplified form of that exact same imagery is somehow suddenly taboo due to the origins of the club that won the rights to create them.

Typing on a mobile, sorry

Well they must be, they got the name of that "dutch" club after all.

Club Marconi was never forbidden to leave their colors nor was any other mono ethnic club.

The Brisbane Lions play in the lower league and even if they were in the HAL instead of the Roar at least they were open to all nationalities and never taunted others with their own community bias like Marconi and other mono ethnic clubs did.

You don't think FFA and the broader community know the difference and is why you and many others still remain bitter after the 3 years top failed.

Poor souls :-({|=

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Why is it that supporters of other clubs feel that they need to try and convince Roar fans that somehow there is a link to Holland through the Roar. Which there isn't

Queensland lions as it is are hardly a Dutch club And they merely signed the original paperwork, To say Roar are a Dutch club is like calling yourself American after a 2 week holiday in Los Angeles.

This is exactly the point. The only connection is a historical one from the club that founded Brisbane Roar. The club isn't dutch oriented.

This is all getting a bit silly now, like with the complaints about a modified cross of St George (a levantine symbol which was used by Aragon, Genoa, Georgia, Catalunya, etc.) being on Melbourne City's badge, despite it being from the flag of Melbourne.

People really need to learn the difference between evolution of symbolism and an active intent to base a club on a single ethnic group.

The Roar is a good example of an old ethnic club that changed to embrace everyone of all colour and race.It's a shame the minority neanderthals of some ethnic backgrounds can't grasp the concept.
It's a shame really because I believe most clubs of ethnic background try very hard to embrace everyone,but get dragged back into the mire by their inbred neanderthals.It's a simple Darwinian concept of adapt or die .

Queensland Lions wear orange because it is the national colour of the Netherlands, they're called Lions after the Dutch heraldic lion(a symbol of the Netherlands). Brisbane Roar were founded by the Queensland Lions and maintained their colours and Lion which were chosen for ethnic reasons. Brisbane Roar might not be a "Dutch" club, but it has a dutch identity.

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Any comments Heineken?

I thought we were the closet Dutch club?

JVS

Worm

Wielaert

Sibon

Engelaar

Ticker's orange hair

PSV

And obviously the Heart nickname itself is based off of the Netherlands' love of Eurovision (4x winners)

So what are the ethnic backgrounds of all the other a league club founders? I'd be interested to see how many other "ethnic" clubs we have

this is one of the worst threads ever

At some stage you need to let go of this .It's boring and ridiculous.We all know what happened during the days of the NSL and FFA is 100% right to ensure we never see those chaotic scenes again.
Brisbane is Brisbane not Holland .We all know that no member sees themselves as an extension of Holland and are happy that the club has some origins beyond the HAL. Noone goes to games waving dutch flags.
The ethnic connotations that are forbidden are clear to us all ,where and when they exist.It's just rubbish to suggest a club that has fans that turn up at games with national flags of origin don't see their clubs logo as identifying their ethnicity.The FFA has been smart to use wording that gives room to deal with covert actions.
You need to stop trying to act like the victim.We don't buy it.Never have.

This is a bit different still though. The original club was dutch migrants, but has changed dramatically over the years. A better analogy would be:

A child of dutch parents, showing their friend their parents culture, and them doing something similar (the friend being Brisbane Roar, the kid being Queensland Lions). The other kid isn't dutch, but he's taken on some dutch culture, though altered and evolved over time.

Really?

What you really mean is everyone else considers them broadbased except bitters who would like nothing more than to bundle their own mono ethnic club in the same mould but can't and find out they really don't want to anyway but still cry discrimination.

Poor souls :-({|= :-({|=

How did I miss this thread.

Fucking classic :lol:

-PB

Ill answer both questions with one word, YES. The NIP is not racist, none of this has to do with racial groups, it has to do with ethnicity and religion. Discriminatory maybe, but racist, no. The policy is designed to limit the ethnic dominance and identity of some of these clubs with the idea of attracting a larger base and reduce the risk of alienation. It has been done so that there can be a more uniformed product, less squabbling and to present the NPL tiers as a more professional set of entities. Wether or not this is right or wrong i won't comment on, but that is the intention.

Also the interpretation you have applied is very broad. Its not really down using one specific colour. Its more using sets of colours in conjunction with specific names, and sets of identities. The colour red for example can be used in conjunction with white, and this would have no ties to the croatian, polish, indonesian etc etc communities. However if the club was to call itself Hajduk Adealide and decided to have a croatian themed crest and wore a white and red chequered shirt and blue shorts (or some similar combination) then they would be in breach of the policy.

As for the Roar, the dutch connections have been explained. The club at one point was born out of stakeholders that were involved in a club born of dutch immigrants. Yes the club own a club as well, but it has no dutch identity. The only other dutch link could be this; the club is owned by Indonesians, Indonesia was once colonised by the dutch and many have a dutch heritage, these people being dutch-indonesian. As far as I'm aware the Bakries do not belong to this ethnic group though. I brought up the last point to show what lengths people are going to to make links between a club like the roar and a specific ethnic group.

Edited by The Frenchman: 19/8/2014 09:56:52 PM

What a nothing thread.

Melbourne Knights fans were fly the Croatian flag and chanting Cro art zia throughout their FFA Cup loss to Brisbane Olympic.

The inverse of this is that HAL games are broadcast on BFBS (British Forces Broadcasting Service) and in Afghanistan a lot of Dutch soldiers would gather to watch the Roar games. I chatted to them about this and they explained that they liked their playing style and Orange strip. When I told them of the clubs Dutch origins they were stoked.

Not one bit surprising.

Can we get a thread name change to:

"kid defines Brisbane as having failed National Identity Policy criteria", the title is a bit misleading.

Are they clubs that have fans that go to games waving flags of their ethnic country and not Australia?Are they the ones that if allowed to do the same at HAL games would set the game back 50years and give credence to all the media paranoia about Football fans?
I don't know I have never been to game and seen who are the culprits.But if it is that obvious to you ,you really have no reason to complain about FFA rules regarding logos.

Look at all these muppets basking in their Oranje/Dutch history;

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-PB

Nice to see paulc @22 seconds in.

I played for the Queensland Lions about 10 years ago. Didn't even know the club had Dutch origins until someone told me years later.

That is fucking depressing. I wish they'd speak English instead of Dutch :/

EDIT: Even the ones that speak English, massive Dutch accents :(

Edited by Draupnir: 19/8/2014 11:15:07 PM

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