Back when Sean Rooney was playing for the national side.

Spain getting ready for action

Whoa when did Uruguay win the World Cup??



Edited by RJL25: 19/8/2014 11:29:58 PM

Played and coached there a number of times, and I'm with you, you'd never know :lol: but some people on here, who have never been to Brisbane let alone to Lions think that the Dutch flag flies above the club house and they sing the national anthem before a game

RJL25 trying desperately to deflect :lol:

-PB

Macedonia 0-4 Roar

We da best \:d/

:lol: I'm concerned we may be giving away our total football tactics for the upcoming season too early...

Nothing to see here!!

Greek Macedonia or Yugoslav Macedonia?

I'm afraid you've seriously underestimated just how bad this thread actually is.......

Ah, they're shit stiring trying to make it think its a club like Melb Croatia as an example. :lol:

Last time I went to a Melb Croatia match in Sunshine next to the tip, on the last year of the NSL, you had to pass their social club rooms from the carpark where they have pre game functions. All you could hear is Croatian music. Approaching the ticket box and the bloke at the box kept talking to an official in Croatian whilst handing out tickets. Enter the ground and you get handed calendars written in Croatian. The game starts and soon after, nationalistic chants and songs, foreign flags, flares and all the rest.

But they feel bitter because they're not treated like clubs that have or want to broaden their base.

Fucking mind boggling. :lol:

Well the Greeks call them Hillbillies so I'm fucked if I know.:lol:

Only you laugh at your own posts. Fucking embarrassing.

Those that are factually wrong again and again are the embarrassment :d

Like you, in every single post.

The fact is (which is a word you're too stupid to comprehend) is that many have a chuckle after their own post but you say it's only me, well here :lol:

It must be all that kulcha behind it,

Firstly, thanks for understanding what this thread's about. I'd argue with the FFA that it is up to clubs to decide how they engage with fans. Although I understand the need to stop extremist ethnic communities developing around clubs many of these teams are central to migrant communities and should be allowed to represent themselves as they see fit.

Unfortunately sweeping policies like this don't change attitude, if you remember attempts like this were made in the 1990s NSL but despite name changes clubs remained supported by the same people and conducted their business in the same way. Many clubs have since reverted to their original names . Football is a microcosm of Australian society and the only way to make these clubs accessible to everyone is for 1. clubs to open up to communities on their own terms and 2. for communities to be open to different cultures.

The FFA should at least change this policy to prevent political logos being adopted as opposed to ethnic ones. I understand if people won't support clubs with fascist cultures but can't understand why people would be opposed to going to a match, eating a pizza and saying "forza team" instead of a meat pie and saying "go team."



Unfortunately this is due to the broad nature of the policy. Without examples the policy could be interpreted to eliminate any logo.

It does bring into question though who would be targeted. The red and white example is interesting because the way I see it and from what I'm reading people would have no objection to non-ethnic teams wearing those colours but would feel uncomfortable if a club of Polish roots did. Is the issue here of loaded meaning or the view that this team feels special wearing these colours? I think the mental barriers are as much created by outsiders as the visual barriers are by club insiders.



I was probably mistaken by putting such an emphasis on BR and not the policy itself. Brisbane have Dutch roots, they clearly have no "Dutch mentality," or ties to the dutch community today, however the combination of Dutch colours and symbolism, somewhat bear a loaded message when coupled with the club's history.

Under the broad NIP the logo fails the criteria. I am arguing that this is proof that we need to rethink the NIP, if not scrap it entirely.

BR are the perfect example of a club that defy the common perception of ethnic clubs in Australia. They have ethnic roots, they ARE IN NO WAY connected to the same ethnic community today but in history and symbolism however the NIP has the right to take this away from them.

BR have taken their past and redefined themselves, and they will continue to redefine themselves. BR and all Australian clubs deserve this right, to represent their history, culture, fans, players in anyway they like, in my eyes as long as it is not POLITICAL. The NIP threatens to take this right away and will somewhat prevent clubs in the future defining themselves by their past.

So finally, hopefully to clear things up on this thread, what should be done about the NIP considering the case of Brisbane Roar?

FootbalLogic the aliasing in your signature burns my eyes.

Hellas fans :lol:

1930 and 1950.

The policy is stupid, not this thread.

The BR situation shows how easy it is to bring in question any kit/logo/colour choice. This demonstrates how ineffective the policy will be. Very easy for clubs to show precedence that the policy isn't being uniformly enforced. The policy is about managing perceptions so it must be perceived to be be implemented fairly.

Clubs should be allowed to represent whatever microcosm of our community they care to, if that means they aren't financially viable by not being able to attract a wider fanbase or corporate backing then it's their decision to make.

I stopped reading his posts at "logic".

No buddy. We don't want to see a repeat of the NSL.

Soccerlogic has a point. You may not agree but you should at least concede that much rather than write-off his clearly (well) thought out posts.

Play the argument not the man.

Melbourne City is clearly also in breach no matter how much anyone tries to sugar coat it. There is political and national insignia that is not Australian in origin.

Outdone yourself this time FFT Forum.

Dumbest thread yet.

:lol:

Well said

=d> Excellent.

Await the inevitable sanction to be issued to Hollandia. Nice to see the FFA cracking down on this blatant ethnic chauvinism.

Couldn't have said it better myself =d> =d> =d>