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FIFA has announced the terms of reference for a Working Group to review football’s representative Congress in Australia. Football Federation Australia (FFA) Chairman Steven Lowy AM welcomed receipt of the terms of reference and said FFA looked forward to working with FIFA, the Asian Football Confederation and all Australian football stakeholders to expand the Congress. “FFA supports expansion of the Congress to reflect the evolution of football in Australia and balance the interests of each part of the game. This should include significant movement towards gender equality at all levels of governance,” he said. “FFA also welcomes the reference to governance of the Hyundai A-League because we want to work with the clubs and other stakeholders on a new ownership and operating model for the League that will benefit the whole of the game.”
https://www.ffa.com.au/news/fifa-announces-terms-reference-congress-review-working-group
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+xFIFA has announced the terms of reference for a Working Group to review football’s representative Congress in Australia. Football Federation Australia (FFA) Chairman Steven Lowy AM welcomed receipt of the terms of reference and said FFA looked forward to working with FIFA, the Asian Football Confederation and all Australian football stakeholders to expand the Congress. “FFA supports expansion of the Congress to reflect the evolution of football in Australia and balance the interests of each part of the game. This should include significant movement towards gender equality at all levels of governance,” he said. “FFA also welcomes the reference to governance of the Hyundai A-League because we want to work with the clubs and other stakeholders on a new ownership and operating model for the League that will benefit the whole of the game.”
https://www.ffa.com.au/news/fifa-announces-terms-reference-congress-review-working-group
So nothing yet has really been announced.
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FFA not sayin’ anything lol
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FIFA has outlined what the temporary 'Working Group' will look like as the governing body attempts to solve the long-running FFA governance crisis.FIFA's ruling on FFA's congress-crisis involves a temporary 'Working Group', which will convene to broker a permanent power-sharing solution among Australian football's key stakeholders
.FIFA's eight-seat 'Working Group' will consist of:
Four seats for member federations
Two seats for club representatives
One seat for a Professional Footballer's Association (PFA) representative
One seat for an Independent Chairperson.
The group will convene on July 31 and hold their first Extraordinary General Meeting (EGM) in early September.
At this stage there doesn't appear to be a seat for the Australian Professional Football Club's Association (AFPCA) - the general representative body for A-League clubs. Which member federations will be included in the four seats available also remains unclear.
The 'Working Group' was set by FIFA as a temporary solution to the ongoing stoush between FFA and A-League club owners, who are seeking greater input into football's governance in Australia.
This is in response to ongoing concerns over the top-down power structure in Australian football, with FIFA previously acknowledging that Australia comprises an "un-democratic" system.
Due to FFA's inability to reach a power-sharing agreement with the A-League clubs, FIFA announced they would be implementing a 'Working Group' to bring all parties together to find a solution
However, the current makeup could still leave power in the hands of the four member federations, assuming they can side with one of the other groups.
The only details available for the independent chair, as provided by FIFA, are that whoever the appointment is, they can't have a pre-existing relationship with FFA.
They must also have a previous background in sports governance and mediation.More to come...
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Interestingly the chair can have no involvement with FFA
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Still hiding behind the womens vote as gender equality. What a prick.
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We knew it was gonna be a long drawn out process. Lets be honest.
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+xWe knew it was gonna be a long drawn out process. Lets be honest. But this set up doesn't even hint at an outcome horizon on the bright side, AFPCA will be mighty pissed off so we can look forward to them ramping it Will be the only interesting thing in Australian Football for the next couple of years now.
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+x+xWe knew it was gonna be a long drawn out process. Lets be honest. But this set up doesn't even hint at an outcome horizon on the bright side, AFPCA will be mighty pissed off so we can look forward to them ramping it Will be the only interesting thing in Australian Football for the next couple of years now. I predict at the end of the day, when FIFA hands down it's final verdict, there will be a few that will be mighty pissed off.
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If I could pick a chair it would be Nick Tana...
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What a farce. The Group convening at the end of the July and the EGM in September. Ridiculous.
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Don't worry about Frank going toes up to break the impasse I'll be dead before this country gets it's act together
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Who picks which 4 Feds ? Who picks the Chair ? What's a 'club rep' ?
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+xWho picks which 4 Feds ? Who picks the Chair ? What's a 'club rep' ? I'd imagine the State federations would pick the four ... or it would be the four largest federations. FIFA appoints the Chair The Club's I'd imagine pick their rep too
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+x+xWho picks which 4 Feds ? Who picks the Chair ? What's a 'club rep' ? I'd imagine the State federations would pick the four ... or it would be the four largest federations. FIFA appoints the Chair The Club's I'd imagine pick their rep too Would the club reps be one for A-League clubs and one for NPL clubs? If its the 4 biggest Federations its FNSW, FQld, FFV and NNSWF in that order which gives too much east coast bias. I'd expect one or two of the smaller Federations to get a seat.
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We need Capital Football in there, just so we get regular sms updates from all the private meetings 👍
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I'd like Jack Reilly to chair this group. He absolutely professional.
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+xI'd like Jack Reilly to chair this group. He absolutely professional. Ex FFA Board member. I think his much touted opinion on what should happen to football would bar him from being an independent chair.
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Anyone who knows Jack Reilly would know that he stood up to Frank Lowy.
He doesn’t toe the Lowy line.
I believe he was called a liar by Frank Snr
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+xAnyone who knows Jack Reilly would know that he stood up to Frank Lowy. He doesn’t toe the Lowy line.I believe he was called a liar by Frank Snr There is no way the State Feds would let him become chair of the working group because he wants to get rid of all the State Feds.
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So the EGM in September is it - that presumably changes the constitution for the new Congress, this will be in time for the November AGM. So all done and dusted by Christmas
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“The working group will include four representatives of the state federations, two from the A-League clubs, one from Professional Footballers Australia (PFA) and one FFA board member. It will be left among them to decide the identity of the independent chair by a unanimous vote. FIFA, however, has instructed that the person must have a strong track record in legal and governance issues, preferably in sport, and experience in mediation and negotiation“ http://www.news.com.au/sport/football/independent-chairperson-to-lead-eightmember-panel-tasked-by-fifa-with-fixing-ffa/news-story/8a1acd1409dd744e3a3eb6589a9f6faa
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The member feds that voted down the congress are a minority of feds. They will be squeezed out of that 4.
The independent chair will not be independent.
FFA already has the working group stacked in their favour. Fuck this, the game is up.
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+xThe member feds that voted down the congress are a minority of feds. They will be squeezed out of that 4. The independent chair will not be independent. FFA already has the working group stacked in their favour. Fuck this, the game is up. AFPCA to really get shitty Could be fireworks
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@ Bohemia
We’ll see but I don’t think it is.
One of NSWs and VIC have to get on there by virtue of their size, my guess would be NSWs. That puts 4 votes against the FFA
The independent chair has to be unanimous so it won’t be an FFA man, although a Lowy’s tentacles stretch far so FIFA will have to watch that. But even if s/he is at worst/best it’s a 4/4 tie ...
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+x@ Bohemia We’ll see but I don’t think it is. One of NSWs and VIC have to get on there by virtue of their size, my guess would be NSWs. That puts 4 votes against the FFA The independent chair has to be unanimous so it won’t be an FFA man, although a Lowy’s tentacles stretch far so FIFA will have to watch that. But even if s/he is at worst/best it’s a 4/4 tie ... FIFA is blind as a bat. They let a Gallop and Co employee walk straight in and pitch for the women's vote. After all the crap Lowy has done to get the process this far do you think organising a Lowy plant as chair is a tough task? Fuck me he'll just pull one out of the drawer in his home office.
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@ Bohemia
I hear you, as I say the best lowy can get is three compliant states and influence over the chair. He’s locked at 4-4 on a voting basis ... next stop normalisation if that happens and things can’t move forward.
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I think Foster would make a good chair. Love him or hate him he genuinely has the games best interest at heart. And has mediation/sports governance experience through the PFA
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+xI think Foster would make a good chair. Love him or hate him he genuinely has the games best interest at heart. And has mediation/sports governance experience through the PFA Foster with his push for Southern Expansion would not be popular in Wollongong. How about Mal Hemmerling
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+xI think Foster would make a good chair. Love him or hate him he genuinely has the games best interest at heart. And has mediation/sports governance experience through the PFA The man who is being paid money to support and promote a bid that is playing out of 3 different stadiums, representing 3 different areas that pretty much have nothing in common. Fuck that, I wouldn't want people like him anywhere near any position in football.
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Archie Fraser??
Although I'd love to see him given another crack at running the league or the FFA without a puppet master over his shoulder.
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+x+xI think Foster would make a good chair. Love him or hate him he genuinely has the games best interest at heart. And has mediation/sports governance experience through the PFA The man who is being paid money to support and promote a bid that is playing out of 3 different stadiums, representing 3 different areas that pretty much have nothing in common. Fuck that, I wouldn't want people like him anywhere near any position in football. The expansion bid and being the chair of this committee are two seperate things. Foz hates the FFA for their mismanagement of the game and lack of direction so he wont be in their favour just because they were to accept his expansion bid. He is smart enough to know one new team in the a league wont magically fix all the problems in the game. I personally think he has more integrity than that in any case, as Aus football as a whole is genuinely his first concern. His vision of whats best for Aus football may vary (as it does from person to person), and you may not like him as a public figure. But all I am saying is his first priority always has and always will be Aus football. Pignata is also a good shout too
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+x+x+xI think Foster would make a good chair. Love him or hate him he genuinely has the games best interest at heart. And has mediation/sports governance experience through the PFA The man who is being paid money to support and promote a bid that is playing out of 3 different stadiums, representing 3 different areas that pretty much have nothing in common. Fuck that, I wouldn't want people like him anywhere near any position in football. The expansion bid and being the chair of this committee are two seperate things. Foz hates the FFA for their mismanagement of the game and lack of direction so he wont be in their favour just because they were to accept his expansion bid. He is smart enough to know one new team in the a league wont magically fix all the problems in the game. I personally think he has more integrity than that in any case, as Aus football as a whole is genuinely his first concern. His vision of whats best for Aus football may vary (as it does from person to person), and you may not like him as a public figure. But all I am saying is his first priority always has and always will be Aus football. Pignata is also a good shout too All I'm basically saying is that I wouldn't want someone like him to be in that position for the very reason he is behind that bid. I could bet my life on it that if he had no involvement he would be slamming that idea like people who love football. I used to think he loves and wants what's best for football in this country, however once he got behind this bid I really have to question his motives. You have to have rocks in your head if you prefer a club playing in Kogorah, Sutherland, and Wollongong over stand alone bids. But like I said he's being paid and he's putting himself first and football second. I truly don't think he is that stupid to think this 3 stadium 3 location club would work in the long run, which is why I've lost any trust I ever had in him.
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same article but with a video of fozz digging his boot into fifa for fucking around too much https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2018/04/04/independent-chair-lead-ffa-reform
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actual fifa statement http://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/news/y=2018/m=4/news=fifa-s-bureau-of-the-council-establishes-congress-review-working-group-for-footb.html"The CRWG will conclude its mandate and submit its proposal to FIFA and the AFC by 31 July 2018. The proposal will be subsequently submitted for adoption to an FFA Special General Meeting by no later than 7 September 2018."
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"The CRWG will conclude its mandate and submit its proposal to FIFA and the AFC by 31 July 2018. The proposal will be subsequently submitted for adoption to an FFA Special General Meeting by no later than 7 September 2018."
That’s actually a pretty reasonable time frame. New governance structure in place by October would be a great outcome.
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True, no shocks.
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I can't see this working. We are wasting time as we go back around in circles. At the end of the day when this working committee fails we will have a normalisation committee.
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+xI can't see this working. We are wasting time as we go back around in circles. At the end of the day when this working committee fails we will have a normalisation committee. FIFA had the option of going straight to the normalisation committee. They were spooked by Lowy. There's nothing in any of this which suggests that FIFA will have the stomach for a normalisation committee. Lowy has successfully pushed everything out to the next AGM. He'll be voted in pursuant to the current constitution, and we'll be back to square one, having to use the current constitution to make the necessary changes to the same constitution, meaning nothing will happen unless one of the bigger states fall back in line and agree to minimal changes.
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+x+xI can't see this working. We are wasting time as we go back around in circles. At the end of the day when this working committee fails we will have a normalisation committee. FIFA had the option of going straight to the normalisation committee. They were spooked by Lowy. There's nothing in any of this which suggests that FIFA will have the stomach for a normalisation committee. Lowy has successfully pushed everything out to the next AGM. He'll be voted in pursuant to the current constitution, and we'll be back to square one, having to use the current constitution to make the necessary changes to the same constitution, meaning nothing will happen unless one of the bigger states fall back in line and agree to minimal changes. If the EGM adopts the new constitution in September then it comes into force immediately and the new congress will vote on the board members at the AGM.
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+xI can't see this working. We are wasting time as we go back around in circles. At the end of the day when this working committee fails we will have a normalisation committee. No sure if that is right you may be selling FIFA short. Taking part of the announcement it reads. """The CRWG will concludeits mandate and submit its proposal to FIFA and the AFC by 31 July 2018. The proposal will be subsequently submitted for adoption to an FFA Special General Meeting by no later than 7 September2018 .""""
That reads to me they want the CRCW to draft a new governance and for FFA to adopt it.
That reads to me the CRWC needs to be formed and have the changes ready to bemade by 31 July so 4 months, and then for FFA to adopt what the CRWC present..... with FFA granted 5 weeks to call whatever meeting are needed to adopt thenew procedures
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+xI can't see this working. We are wasting time as we go back around in circles. At the end of the day when this working committee fails we will have a normalisation committee. It seems to me it's not working because you're not getting your own way. You wanted FIFA so cop it like a good boy. Goes for most here lol.
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How about Tony Pignata as chair? Seems perfect to me.
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+xHow about Tony Pignata as chair? Seems perfect to me. Bias towards A-League clubs?
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+x+xHow about Tony Pignata as chair? Seems perfect to me. Bias towards A-League clubs? I think Pignata is smarter than that. Actually think he is a good candidate being mentioned here. He's a shrewd businessmen with some integrity way ahead of the likes of Lowy's Gallop.
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+x+x+xHow about Tony Pignata as chair? Seems perfect to me. Bias towards A-League clubs? I think Pignata is smarter than that. Actually think he is a good candidate being mentioned here. He's a shrewd businessmen with some integrity way ahead of the likes of Lowy's Gallop. "the person must have a strong track record in legal and governance issues, preferably in sport, and experience in mediation and negotiation" Does a degree in finance and banking give the required skills?
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+x+x+x+xHow about Tony Pignata as chair? Seems perfect to me. Bias towards A-League clubs? I think Pignata is smarter than that. Actually think he is a good candidate being mentioned here. He's a shrewd businessmen with some integrity way ahead of the likes of Lowy's Gallop. "the person must have a strong track record in legal and governance issues, preferably in sport, and experience in mediation and negotiation" Does a degree in finance and banking give the required skills? So because he went down the path of gaining a degree, finance/banking makes him not a viable candidate ? yet his time after being involved in football clubs is to be ignored - don't you think after those years involved in our football he really got to see what the issues are top to bottom in our game ? I'm sure he has dealt with brilliant "legals" for advise and "governance" I expect he gets that and he's been involved in sport. Mediation/negottiation, well look what he did at SFC for starters. His resume isn't bad to me and quoting "management stability", rated in Top 21 CEO's 2017 : an Australian football administrator and former Chief Executive of Sydney FC in the Australian A-League.[1] His previous positions include Chief Executive of Football Federation Victoria and inaugural Chief Executive of Wellington Phoenix FC in the A-League from 2007 to 2010. Prior to working in sport, Pignata worked in the banking industry, and he spent a brief time in telecommunications. Pignata's leadership of Wellington Phoenix helped to bring much-needed credibility to football in New Zealand. Amongst other things, he was responsible for bringing out LA Galaxy with David Beckham resulting in a then record Football crowd of 31,853.[2] In 2009/10, he was CEO when Wellington Phoenix made the A-League Finals Series (playoffs) going within one game of making the 2009/10 Grand Final. In May 2012, he was appointed Chief Executive of Sydney FC at a time when the club desperately needed stability in its management. He was instrumental in bringing Italian football star Alessandro del Piero to the club for two seasons which helped increased membership, merchandise sales, sponsorship and TV viewership for Sydney FC and the A-League overall. In 2014, the club announced[3] that its finances had turned around from a deficit of $7.2m to almost break-even under Pignata's leadership. In the 2016/17 A-League season, Sydney FC were crowned Premiers [4] after 20 wins, 6 draws and 1 loss culminating in 66 points for the regular season. They went on to win the A-League Grand Final[5] in the equivalent of the play-off series against Melbourne Victory on 7 May 2017. Sydney FC has also been named Club of the Year [6] by the Football Media Association for three consecutive years from 2014/15 to 2016/17. Pignata is a popular figure with media and fans, and was named by the Australian Financial Review [7] in 2017 as one of Australia's top 21 CEOs. He is active on Twitter. He announced his resignation [8] from Sydney FC three days after the 2017 A-League grand final win. As I've said - he's got the experience.
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+x+x+x+x+xHow about Tony Pignata as chair? Seems perfect to me. Bias towards A-League clubs? I think Pignata is smarter than that. Actually think he is a good candidate being mentioned here. He's a shrewd businessmen with some integrity way ahead of the likes of Lowy's Gallop. "the person must have a strong track record in legal and governance issues, preferably in sport, and experience in mediation and negotiation" Does a degree in finance and banking give the required skills? So because he went down the path of gaining a degree, finance/banking makes him not a viable candidate ? yet his time after being involved in football clubs is to be ignored - don't you think after those years involved in our football he really got to see what the issues are top to bottom in our game ? I'm sure he has dealt with brilliant "legals" for advise and "governance" I expect he gets that and he's been involved in sport. Mediation/negottiation, well look what he did at SFC for starters. His resume isn't bad to me and quoting "management stability", rated in Top 21 CEO's 2017 : an Australian football administrator and former Chief Executive of Sydney FC in the Australian A-League.[1] His previous positions include Chief Executive of Football Federation Victoria and inaugural Chief Executive of Wellington Phoenix FC in the A-League from 2007 to 2010. Prior to working in sport, Pignata worked in the banking industry, and he spent a brief time in telecommunications. Pignata's leadership of Wellington Phoenix helped to bring much-needed credibility to football in New Zealand. Amongst other things, he was responsible for bringing out LA Galaxy with David Beckham resulting in a then record Football crowd of 31,853.[2] In 2009/10, he was CEO when Wellington Phoenix made the A-League Finals Series (playoffs) going within one game of making the 2009/10 Grand Final. In May 2012, he was appointed Chief Executive of Sydney FC at a time when the club desperately needed stability in its management. He was instrumental in bringing Italian football star Alessandro del Piero to the club for two seasons which helped increased membership, merchandise sales, sponsorship and TV viewership for Sydney FC and the A-League overall. In 2014, the club announced[3] that its finances had turned around from a deficit of $7.2m to almost break-even under Pignata's leadership. In the 2016/17 A-League season, Sydney FC were crowned Premiers [4] after 20 wins, 6 draws and 1 loss culminating in 66 points for the regular season. They went on to win the A-League Grand Final[5] in the equivalent of the play-off series against Melbourne Victory on 7 May 2017. Sydney FC has also been named Club of the Year [6] by the Football Media Association for three consecutive years from 2014/15 to 2016/17. Pignata is a popular figure with media and fans, and was named by the Australian Financial Review [7] in 2017 as one of Australia's top 21 CEOs. He is active on Twitter. He announced his resignation [8] from Sydney FC three days after the 2017 A-League grand final win. As I've said - he's got the experience. This working group is a dispute resolution process. A legal background is definitely an advantage to someone with a finance or administration background.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xHow about Tony Pignata as chair? Seems perfect to me. Bias towards A-League clubs? I think Pignata is smarter than that. Actually think he is a good candidate being mentioned here. He's a shrewd businessmen with some integrity way ahead of the likes of Lowy's Gallop. "the person must have a strong track record in legal and governance issues, preferably in sport, and experience in mediation and negotiation" Does a degree in finance and banking give the required skills? So because he went down the path of gaining a degree, finance/banking makes him not a viable candidate ? yet his time after being involved in football clubs is to be ignored - don't you think after those years involved in our football he really got to see what the issues are top to bottom in our game ? I'm sure he has dealt with brilliant "legals" for advise and "governance" I expect he gets that and he's been involved in sport. Mediation/negottiation, well look what he did at SFC for starters. His resume isn't bad to me and quoting "management stability", rated in Top 21 CEO's 2017 : an Australian football administrator and former Chief Executive of Sydney FC in the Australian A-League.[1] His previous positions include Chief Executive of Football Federation Victoria and inaugural Chief Executive of Wellington Phoenix FC in the A-League from 2007 to 2010. Prior to working in sport, Pignata worked in the banking industry, and he spent a brief time in telecommunications. Pignata's leadership of Wellington Phoenix helped to bring much-needed credibility to football in New Zealand. Amongst other things, he was responsible for bringing out LA Galaxy with David Beckham resulting in a then record Football crowd of 31,853.[2] In 2009/10, he was CEO when Wellington Phoenix made the A-League Finals Series (playoffs) going within one game of making the 2009/10 Grand Final. In May 2012, he was appointed Chief Executive of Sydney FC at a time when the club desperately needed stability in its management. He was instrumental in bringing Italian football star Alessandro del Piero to the club for two seasons which helped increased membership, merchandise sales, sponsorship and TV viewership for Sydney FC and the A-League overall. In 2014, the club announced[3] that its finances had turned around from a deficit of $7.2m to almost break-even under Pignata's leadership. In the 2016/17 A-League season, Sydney FC were crowned Premiers [4] after 20 wins, 6 draws and 1 loss culminating in 66 points for the regular season. They went on to win the A-League Grand Final[5] in the equivalent of the play-off series against Melbourne Victory on 7 May 2017. Sydney FC has also been named Club of the Year [6] by the Football Media Association for three consecutive years from 2014/15 to 2016/17. Pignata is a popular figure with media and fans, and was named by the Australian Financial Review [7] in 2017 as one of Australia's top 21 CEOs. He is active on Twitter. He announced his resignation [8] from Sydney FC three days after the 2017 A-League grand final win. As I've said - he's got the experience. This working group is a dispute resolution process. A legal background is definitely an advantage to someone with a finance or administration background. I can't knock his experience and he obviously has the runs on the board but every time I hear him speak on fnr radio on the football bosses show he doesn't fill me with any confidence as other CEO's do. Maybe he is a doer rather than a talker.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xHow about Tony Pignata as chair? Seems perfect to me. Bias towards A-League clubs? I think Pignata is smarter than that. Actually think he is a good candidate being mentioned here. He's a shrewd businessmen with some integrity way ahead of the likes of Lowy's Gallop. "the person must have a strong track record in legal and governance issues, preferably in sport, and experience in mediation and negotiation" Does a degree in finance and banking give the required skills? So because he went down the path of gaining a degree, finance/banking makes him not a viable candidate ? yet his time after being involved in football clubs is to be ignored - don't you think after those years involved in our football he really got to see what the issues are top to bottom in our game ? I'm sure he has dealt with brilliant "legals" for advise and "governance" I expect he gets that and he's been involved in sport. Mediation/negottiation, well look what he did at SFC for starters. His resume isn't bad to me and quoting "management stability", rated in Top 21 CEO's 2017 : an Australian football administrator and former Chief Executive of Sydney FC in the Australian A-League.[1] His previous positions include Chief Executive of Football Federation Victoria and inaugural Chief Executive of Wellington Phoenix FC in the A-League from 2007 to 2010. Prior to working in sport, Pignata worked in the banking industry, and he spent a brief time in telecommunications. Pignata's leadership of Wellington Phoenix helped to bring much-needed credibility to football in New Zealand. Amongst other things, he was responsible for bringing out LA Galaxy with David Beckham resulting in a then record Football crowd of 31,853.[2] In 2009/10, he was CEO when Wellington Phoenix made the A-League Finals Series (playoffs) going within one game of making the 2009/10 Grand Final. In May 2012, he was appointed Chief Executive of Sydney FC at a time when the club desperately needed stability in its management. He was instrumental in bringing Italian football star Alessandro del Piero to the club for two seasons which helped increased membership, merchandise sales, sponsorship and TV viewership for Sydney FC and the A-League overall. In 2014, the club announced[3] that its finances had turned around from a deficit of $7.2m to almost break-even under Pignata's leadership. In the 2016/17 A-League season, Sydney FC were crowned Premiers [4] after 20 wins, 6 draws and 1 loss culminating in 66 points for the regular season. They went on to win the A-League Grand Final[5] in the equivalent of the play-off series against Melbourne Victory on 7 May 2017. Sydney FC has also been named Club of the Year [6] by the Football Media Association for three consecutive years from 2014/15 to 2016/17. Pignata is a popular figure with media and fans, and was named by the Australian Financial Review [7] in 2017 as one of Australia's top 21 CEOs. He is active on Twitter. He announced his resignation [8] from Sydney FC three days after the 2017 A-League grand final win. As I've said - he's got the experience. This working group is a dispute resolution process. A legal background is definitely an advantage to someone with a finance or administration background. I agree. The chair needs to be independent first of all and have the skill set to lead the parties through conflict to an agreed conclusion. To do that the chair must be able to steer the discussion on matters of contemporary governance that complies with the legal and regulatory framework that is provided by Australian legislation, FIFA's Statutes and FIFA's Standard Statutes that the FFA Constitution has to comply with. A legal background is definitely an advantage over a business or administrative background. Finding someone that has both might be the go. David Crawford anyone? Bachelor of Commerce, Bachelor of Law. Having published previously on this exact issue he might not be seen as impartial now.
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+x+xI can't see this working. We are wasting time as we go back around in circles. At the end of the day when this working committee fails we will have a normalisation committee. It seems to me it's not working because you're not getting your own way. You wanted FIFA so cop it like a good boy. Goes for most here lol. Will this see a spike in crowds then?
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Picking up key bits from a number of releases.
Who is going to be appointed?
It’s going to be an eight seat working group consisting of:-
Four seats for member federations
Two seats for club representatives
One seat for a Professional Footballer's Association (PFA) representative
One seat for an Independent Chairperson.
Chair, as provided by FIFA, are that whoever the appointment is, they can't have a pre-existing relationship with FFA.
It will be left among them [i.e other 7 board members] to decide the identity of the independent chair by a unanimous vote.
What will the CRWG do?
The CRWG will conclude its mandate and submit its proposal to FIFA and the AFC by 31 July 2018.
The proposal will be subsequently submitted for adoption to an FFA Special General Meeting by no later than 7 September 2018."
Interesting side bit.
Submit by 31 July, and decide BY 7 September, but could also be 1 August [highly doubtful] but we may not have to wait the extra two and a bit months.
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It will be left among them [i.e other 7 board members] to decide the identity of the independent chair by a unanimous vote.[quote]
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So undefined 4 state feds pick the deciding voter Let's play guess what happens next
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FIFA requirements
It will be left among them to decide the identity of the independent chair by a unanimous vote. FIFA, however, has instructed that the person must have a strong track record in legal and governance issues, preferably in sport, and experience in mediation and negotiation.
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+xFIFA requirements It will be left among them to decide the identity of the independent chair by a unanimous vote. FIFA, however, has instructed that the person must have a strong track record in legal and governance issues, preferably in sport, and experience in mediation and negotiation. Bonita Mersiades
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+x+x[quote]
It will be left among them [i.e other 7 board members] to decide the identity of the independent chair by a unanimous vote.
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So undefined 4 state feds pick the deciding voter Let's play guess what happens next They all have to agree its not 4 votes to 3 wins... and the chair can have little to no involvement with FFA... So are you suggesting the state feds can bash the clubs and PFA into submission ...
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@ RBB
It can only work if the State Federations play fair, if not it’s normalisation post WC
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Some names for the chair Football folk with a sports background
Nick Tana, Nick Griner, Brendan Schwab,
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+xSome names for the chair Football folk with a sports background Nick Tana, Nick Griner, Brendan Schwab, Tana is too close to the clubs to get unanimous approval. Schwab is too close to the PFA to get unanimous approval.
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no matter how the chair vote pans out, I have come to the conclusion that the governance structure that allows the state federations to act as mediators of power on the FFA board instead of direct representitives (eg rep from PFA, rep from a league etc) is the fundamental core of the governance problem. That and the dynastic insularity of powers with the Lowys. Having 4 out of the 8 person body meant to fix governance as representitives from the state federations is really worrying. The most likely outcome is that we get very little real reform, a compromise setup that is mildly better than now and some new faces on the FFA board, then the spotlight goes away and everything goes back to basically the same as before.
If we want proper governance of the game we have to promote accountability to the stakeholders. The A-League rep on the board is genuinely accountable to the clubs who all know exactly what their rep is doing, a PFA rep is mostly the same, a rep for the AAFC would be much the same, but the reps from the state bodies are totally removed from the people they are pretending to represent. The local semi pro or amateur clubs are often actively opposed to the state bodies saying they represent them, so much so that they are trying to form a body to represent themselves. The local small time clubs, the organisers, players, fans etc are almost entirely unaware of their rep on the FFA board and what they are doing. In fact the state reps on the FFA board can totally oppose what their states stakeholders actually want and there is almost no consequence, they will likely be entirely secure in their jobs.
Sorry about the rant but I was really hoping that this body would bypass the state federations, right now I can't see how this can improve while they are still major players, let alone half the body meant to fix the problem.
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When will we know who the working group will be?
If NSW and VIC get 2 of the 4 (or even 1) then FIFA are in for reform, otherwise, it's just a war of attrition and the current Board will win in the long run.
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I don’t get the negativity. The 442 article makes no mention of ffa inclusion. Why can’t this work with the right mix of:
IFA's eight-seat 'Working Group' will consist of:
Four seats for member federations
Two seats for club representatives
One seat for a Professional Footballer's Association (PFA) representative
One seat for an Independent Chairperson.
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+xI don’t get the negativity. The 442 article makes no mention of ffa inclusion. Why can’t this work with the right mix of:IFA's eight-seat 'Working Group' will consist of:Four seats for member federationsTwo seats for club representativesOne seat for a Professional Footballer's Association (PFA) representativeOne seat for an Independent Chairperson. 7/9 state federations sided with FFA. If that proportion is applied to the 4 state reps on the working group then that equates to at least 3/4 being pro FFA. Only 3/8 reps in the working group can be truly counted on to be pro reform - the PFA and the club reps. After that MAYBE one of those state fed repss will represent the interests of NSW/VIC who wanted reform. If we are lucky we get to 4/8 of the working group not blindly accepting the status quo. Mark my words, that "independent" chair will be nothing of the sort. At best it's a dead lock.
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The State Federations in collusion with the ffa have been the biggest disappointment over the past couple of years; their self-serving attitude has created the crisis but that is the way this was all set up by Lowy Snr 15 years ago.
The good news is FIFA want reform and will get it, Steven Lowy will think he can manipulate this situation and will try his best but he won’t be able to stop the reform that’s coming. We will end up with a Congress that’s more representative and one that isn’t controlled by a single block ie the State Feds and we will end up with clubs running their own competition because both are clearly requirements of FIFA membership. The only question is whether this process will deliver it or whether we’ll get normalised first?
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I guess we’ll see but to me nsw and Vic feds both have to be part of it, they’re too representative to be left out. So that then leaves either qld, fnnsw, act and SA to fight out the remaining two. The independent chair must be a football person surely and with no links to the ffa... why can’t it be from another region? Wasn’t the afc going to be part of the process? Lowy’s Reach might be far but so is cfg’s....
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+xI guess we’ll see but to me nsw and Vic feds both have to be part of it, they’re too representative to be left out. So that then leaves either qld, fnnsw, act and SA to fight out the remaining two. The independent chair must be a football person surely and with no links to the ffa... why can’t it be from another region? Wasn’t the afc going to be part of the process? Lowy’s Reach might be far but so is cfg’s.... According to Fox 4 states hopefully NSW, Vic, hopefully not NNSW 2 A-league reps 1 PFA 1 FFA board member Plus independent chair (not aligned with FFA).
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I keep seeing posts that an ffa board member is part of it but not according to 442 so which is it?
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+xI keep seeing posts that an ffa board member is part of it but not according to 442 so which is it? 9 in total according to Vince Rugari , 8 man panel plus Independent chairperson The working group will include four representatives of the state federations, two from the A-League clubs, one from Professional Footballers Australia (PFA) and one FFA board member.They will decide who is the chairperson. FIFA, however, has instructed that the person must have a strong track record in legal and governance issues, preferably in sport, and experience in mediation and negotiation. If the group cannot settle on a chairperson, FIFA will make the appointment. It will be the chair’s responsibility to ensure the working group fulfils its mandate: to determine a new structure for the FFA congress that includes a ‘‘broader and more balanced’’ representation of stakeholders, and bring the governing body in line with FIFA’s statutes.
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+x+xI keep seeing posts that an ffa board member is part of it but not according to 442 so which is it? 9 in total according to Vince Rugari , 8 man panel plus Independent chairperson The working group will include four representatives of the state federations, two from the A-League clubs, one from Professional Footballers Australia (PFA) and one FFA board member.They will decide who is the chairperson. FIFA, however, has instructed that the person must have a strong track record in legal and governance issues, preferably in sport, and experience in mediation and negotiation. If the group cannot settle on a chairperson, FIFA will make the appointment. It will be the chair’s responsibility to ensure the working group fulfils its mandate: to determine a new structure for the FFA congress that includes a ‘‘broader and more balanced’’ representation of stakeholders, and bring the governing body in line with FIFA’s statutes.
I've heard Rugari on FNR, and to say he's a bit wet behind the ears is an understatement. He's also let it slip a few too many times the disdain he has for the club factions. I'll wait until a journalist with runs on the board reports on this one.
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+x+x+xI keep seeing posts that an ffa board member is part of it but not according to 442 so which is it? 9 in total according to Vince Rugari , 8 man panel plus Independent chairperson The working group will include four representatives of the state federations, two from the A-League clubs, one from Professional Footballers Australia (PFA) and one FFA board member.They will decide who is the chairperson. FIFA, however, has instructed that the person must have a strong track record in legal and governance issues, preferably in sport, and experience in mediation and negotiation. If the group cannot settle on a chairperson, FIFA will make the appointment. It will be the chair’s responsibility to ensure the working group fulfils its mandate: to determine a new structure for the FFA congress that includes a ‘‘broader and more balanced’’ representation of stakeholders, and bring the governing body in line with FIFA’s statutes.
I've heard Rugari on FNR, and to say he's a bit wet behind the ears is an understatement. He's also let it slip a few too many times the disdain he has for the club factions. I'll wait until a journalist with runs on the board reports on this one. how about Smithies ? 
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+x+x+x+xI keep seeing posts that an ffa board member is part of it but not according to 442 so which is it? 9 in total according to Vince Rugari , 8 man panel plus Independent chairperson The working group will include four representatives of the state federations, two from the A-League clubs, one from Professional Footballers Australia (PFA) and one FFA board member.They will decide who is the chairperson. FIFA, however, has instructed that the person must have a strong track record in legal and governance issues, preferably in sport, and experience in mediation and negotiation. If the group cannot settle on a chairperson, FIFA will make the appointment. It will be the chair’s responsibility to ensure the working group fulfils its mandate: to determine a new structure for the FFA congress that includes a ‘‘broader and more balanced’’ representation of stakeholders, and bring the governing body in line with FIFA’s statutes.
I've heard Rugari on FNR, and to say he's a bit wet behind the ears is an understatement. He's also let it slip a few too many times the disdain he has for the club factions. I'll wait until a journalist with runs on the board reports on this one. how about Smithies ? good enough for me
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and to think there were so many on here who actually thought fifa were gonna come here and start flipping tables and kickin ass
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The FFA Board are not stakeholders so they can’t be part of it. The FFA Board is elected by Congress, this is a congress issue not an FFA (administrative) issue.
4 states
2 HAL clubs
1 PFA
1 independent chair with no connection to the FFA/Lowy
It’s interesting the media seem to be siding with lowy and reporting him more favourably than they are FIFA
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The FIFA website actually says: “The CRWG will be chaired by an independent person and comprise representatives of the Football Federation Australia Board, the member federations, the Australian Professional Football Clubs Association (APFCA) and Professional Footballers Australia (PFA). The CRWG will be based on terms of reference elaborated by FIFA and shall seek input from relevant stakeholders” http://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/news/y=2018/m=4/news=fifa-s-bureau-of-the-council-establishes-congress-review-working-group-for-footb.htmlSo the reporting on this is all over the place. Typically, the friggin ffa website is even more vague on the matter ...
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State reps should be NSW, Vic and two representing the rest.
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+xState reps should be NSW, Vic and two representing the rest. We all know that if the two largest member states are represented then reform will occur. In all fairness they should be included in the working group but you can bet your bottom dollar that Lowy will do everything he can to prevent that from ever happening.
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+x+xState reps should be NSW, Vic and two representing the rest. We all know that if the two largest member states are represented then reform will occur. In all fairness they should be included in the working group but you can bet your bottom dollar that Lowy will do everything he can to prevent that from ever happening. It's the only truly representative model, NSW and VIC represent well over half the Australian population. If you give too much power to the smaller states they are too easily bought off by the FFA because they don't have enough resources to stand alone. This model should give control to where the resources and population are but give enough representation to the smaller areas to ensure that some of the resources flow to them.
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One out of left field:
John Howard
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I don't doubt Foster's passion for the game for one second.
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+xI don't doubt Foster's passion for the game for one second. But don't you agree that it's odd he'd be behind that bid considering all the football knowledge he has, not to mention his passion for football? I mean other then the fact you've been hired to promote the bid by the owners why else would you think such a silly bid is good for the A-league?
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+x+xI don't doubt Foster's passion for the game for one second. But don't you agree that it's odd he'd be behind that bid considering all the football knowledge he has, not to mention his passion for football? I mean other then the fact you've been hired to promote the bid by the owners why else would you think such a silly bid is good for the A-league? If an investor said they had 300 million to invest in our game I'd love to be a part of that. If there were problems with the bid I'd see more opportunity in addressing them from inside instead of shouting from the sideline. Personally I think they have no chance of bridging the regions of Wollongong and Sutherland. If it were possible then there'd already be a club doing it - Sydney FC. But it's their money so wtf would I care? They'll get their club, they'll play a couple of seasons and the data will show they were either right or wrong. Not our problem.
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+x+x+xI don't doubt Foster's passion for the game for one second. But don't you agree that it's odd he'd be behind that bid considering all the football knowledge he has, not to mention his passion for football? I mean other then the fact you've been hired to promote the bid by the owners why else would you think such a silly bid is good for the A-league? If an investor said they had 300 million to invest in our game I'd love to be a part of that. If there were problems with the bid I'd see more opportunity in addressing them from inside instead of shouting from the sideline. Personally I think they have no chance of bridging the regions of Wollongong and Sutherland. If it were possible then there'd already be a club doing it - Sydney FC. But it's their money so wtf would I care? They'll get their club, they'll play a couple of seasons and the data will show they were either right or wrong. Not our problem. So it's okay to support an idea when in the back of your head you know it won't work? And you can claim to love football and want what's best for it. If they have $300 million to spend then they should be better advised to spend it in the right region and in one region. You say if it doesn't work it isn't our problem. I think if we have another case of the wrong expansion clubs being chosen like in the past with GCU and NQF then that could really be damaging to the game in this country. We really need to get expansion right 100% this time, we can't afford to fuck it up again. Anyways that's my take on it but personally I wouldn't get behind that bid at all.
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+x+x+x+xI don't doubt Foster's passion for the game for one second. But don't you agree that it's odd he'd be behind that bid considering all the football knowledge he has, not to mention his passion for football? I mean other then the fact you've been hired to promote the bid by the owners why else would you think such a silly bid is good for the A-league? If an investor said they had 300 million to invest in our game I'd love to be a part of that. If there were problems with the bid I'd see more opportunity in addressing them from inside instead of shouting from the sideline. Personally I think they have no chance of bridging the regions of Wollongong and Sutherland. If it were possible then there'd already be a club doing it - Sydney FC. But it's their money so wtf would I care? They'll get their club, they'll play a couple of seasons and the data will show they were either right or wrong. Not our problem. So it's okay to support an idea when in the back of your head you know it won't work? And you can claim to love football and want what's best for it. If they have $300 million to spend then they should be better advised to spend it in the right region and in one region. You say if it doesn't work it isn't our problem. I think if we have another case of the wrong expansion clubs being chosen like in the past with GCU and NQF then that could really be damaging to the game in this country. We really need to get expansion right 100% this time, we can't afford to fuck it up again. Anyways that's my take on it but personally I wouldn't get behind that bid at all. If a bid's problem is it needs to strategically reposition itself while it's capitalised to the tune of hundreds of millions..... fuck me that's a problem I want in my life.
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+x+x+x+x+xI don't doubt Foster's passion for the game for one second. But don't you agree that it's odd he'd be behind that bid considering all the football knowledge he has, not to mention his passion for football? I mean other then the fact you've been hired to promote the bid by the owners why else would you think such a silly bid is good for the A-league? If an investor said they had 300 million to invest in our game I'd love to be a part of that. If there were problems with the bid I'd see more opportunity in addressing them from inside instead of shouting from the sideline. Personally I think they have no chance of bridging the regions of Wollongong and Sutherland. If it were possible then there'd already be a club doing it - Sydney FC. But it's their money so wtf would I care? They'll get their club, they'll play a couple of seasons and the data will show they were either right or wrong. Not our problem. So it's okay to support an idea when in the back of your head you know it won't work? And you can claim to love football and want what's best for it. If they have $300 million to spend then they should be better advised to spend it in the right region and in one region. You say if it doesn't work it isn't our problem. I think if we have another case of the wrong expansion clubs being chosen like in the past with GCU and NQF then that could really be damaging to the game in this country. We really need to get expansion right 100% this time, we can't afford to fuck it up again. Anyways that's my take on it but personally I wouldn't get behind that bid at all. If a bid's problem is it needs to strategically reposition itself while it's capitalised to the tune of hundreds of millions..... fuck me that's a problem I want in my life. As a true football person with some form of power behind you in the media, Craige should be doing that now and getting the bid to settle on one location. Fact of the matter is he's not doing so, and instead has come out publicly promoting and talking up a bid that clearly doesn't understand football on be fucking bit. Clive Palmer is the best example of someone who had a shit load of money but didn't do well because of his shit choices and then he got that turned off he simply left. Hypothetically if Craige sticks with this bid and convinces the owners to represent one area then obviously that would be fine, but that simply isn't the case. Anyways before we derail onto expansion topics my point was if he can't see this isn't a good idea then I wouldn't want someone like him as the had of the board. I mean over flops like Lowy and Gallop I'd take him anyday of the week but overall I wound go anywhere near him for that role.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI don't doubt Foster's passion for the game for one second. But don't you agree that it's odd he'd be behind that bid considering all the football knowledge he has, not to mention his passion for football? I mean other then the fact you've been hired to promote the bid by the owners why else would you think such a silly bid is good for the A-league? If an investor said they had 300 million to invest in our game I'd love to be a part of that. If there were problems with the bid I'd see more opportunity in addressing them from inside instead of shouting from the sideline. Personally I think they have no chance of bridging the regions of Wollongong and Sutherland. If it were possible then there'd already be a club doing it - Sydney FC. But it's their money so wtf would I care? They'll get their club, they'll play a couple of seasons and the data will show they were either right or wrong. Not our problem. So it's okay to support an idea when in the back of your head you know it won't work? And you can claim to love football and want what's best for it. If they have $300 million to spend then they should be better advised to spend it in the right region and in one region. You say if it doesn't work it isn't our problem. I think if we have another case of the wrong expansion clubs being chosen like in the past with GCU and NQF then that could really be damaging to the game in this country. We really need to get expansion right 100% this time, we can't afford to fuck it up again. Anyways that's my take on it but personally I wouldn't get behind that bid at all. If a bid's problem is it needs to strategically reposition itself while it's capitalised to the tune of hundreds of millions..... fuck me that's a problem I want in my life. As a true football person with some form of power behind you in the media, Craige should be doing that now and getting the bid to settle on one location. Fact of the matter is he's not doing so, and instead has come out publicly promoting and talking up a bid that clearly doesn't understand football on be fucking bit. Clive Palmer is the best example of someone who had a shit load of money but didn't do well because of his shit choices and then he got that turned off he simply left. Hypothetically if Craige sticks with this bid and convinces the owners to represent one area then obviously that would be fine, but that simply isn't the case. Anyways before we derail onto expansion topics my point was if he can't see this isn't a good idea then I wouldn't want someone like him as the had of the board. I mean over flops like Lowy and Gallop I'd take him anyday of the week but overall I wound go anywhere near him for that role. Les Murray was involved too. Between he and Foster that's two pretty damn devoted football people.
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I think the requirements of the independent chair that will trip most candidates up is not experience in governance and the law, most business people operating at Director level will tick those boxes well enough ... I think the requirement around mediation and negotiation skills will trip most people up, these are relatively unique skills that might be difficult to prove for many high-profile football names below.
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Doesn’t have to be an Aussie for independent chair though does it? There’s gotta be a football person somewhere that fits the bill. I think it’ll be FIFA who will appoint it anyway.
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+xDoesn’t have to be an Aussie for independent chair though does it? There’s gotta be a football person somewhere that fits the bill. I think it’ll be FIFA who will appoint it anyway. Yeh hopefully it is FIFA and not FFA who appoint him/her. If FFA then you know for a fact that person will be hired with a deal already done to favour FFA more than anyone else.
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It’s very clear who appoints the Chair, and it’s not the FFA.
In fact FIFA has gone as far as specifying there must be “no ties” to the FFA - something it didn’t do for any other section of the game which is a bit of a slap for lowy.
Like you though, I wish FIFA had just appointed someone - I’d rather they worked to ensure FIFAs will is done, that’s the only hope we have for change here.
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+x@rodstazzz It’s very clear who appoints the Chair, and it’s not the FFA. In fact FIFA has gone as far as specifying there must be “no ties” to the FFA - something it didn’t do for any other section of the game which is a bit of a slap for lowy. Like you though, I wish FIFA had just appointed someone - I’d rather they worked to ensure FIFAs will is done, that’s the only hope we have for change here. in the articles ive read it is up to the working group to appoint - unanimously - an independent chair. if this can not be done then fifa will appoint one. pretty straight forward
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+xIt’s very clear who appoints the Chair, and it’s not the FFA. If it's clear, can you please explain who does. I must've missed it.
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+x@rodstazzz It’s very clear who appoints the Chair, and it’s not the FFA. In fact FIFA has gone as far as specifying there must be “no ties” to the FFA - something it didn’t do for any other section of the game which is a bit of a slap for lowy. Like you though, I wish FIFA had just appointed someone - I’d rather they worked to ensure FIFAs will is done, that’s the only hope we have for change here. The chair has to know the local landscape and FIFA didn't have the knowledge or time to seek out and appoint anyone suitable. Much better to provide a guideline then let the locals do it.
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Craig Foster is the director of football and coaching at Southern Expansion not the CEO. How does that make him less passionate about Australian football? I agree it's a shit idea to ground share but think his experience in coaching is great for the bid. Anyway he won't be the chair.
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LOL just give up on footfall entirely if that was the case.
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+xLOL just give up on footfall entirely if that was the case. Half the wankers wouldnt be opposed.
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Its been reported that the 8 committee members must select and unanimously agree on the chair, if they can’t do that then FIFA will appoint one.
Those reports may be wrong (and there’s nothing specific in either the FIFA news release or the FFA’s tbh) but those are the reports.
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So, whoever the chairman is, if FFA can dictate the 4 feds, that's 5/9
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@ Burgs
That’s the key question right, who determines which states? If Lowy can manipulate that he’ll have some level of control over the process.
But the “rebels” have got 3 votes in the 2HAL and PFA so they only need 1 from NSWs or VIC to get on there and they can block anything and everything. If they both get on there the odds are against Lowy
QLD is an unknown, Foster has retired so we will have a new rep in the process who may or may not be, a Lowy man.
And the Chairman vote is largely notional in this case - his/her brief is to negotiate and mediate a solution, in the case of a 4-4 tied vote with that brief they should (and I would expectt that they would) abstain from voting and force the parties back into negotiating.
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+xBut the “rebels” have got 3 votes in the 2HAL and PFA so they only need 1 from NSWs or VIC to get on there and they can block anything and everything. If they both get on there the odds are against Lowy How do you know the PFA are "rebels" ? And they'd need 2 to control it
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+xAnd the Chairman vote is largely notional in this case - his/her brief is to negotiate and mediate a solution, What ? Where do you get this from ?
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@ Burgs
Read the full letter posted below. The Chairperson has to be independent of pretty much everyone involved - FFA, clubs, AAFC, States, pretty much a non-football person. So how coukd they vote on key issues?
But the key is in the written brief - they are there to make sure, through negotiation and mediation, that the working group achieves the objectives. You can’t negoti and mediate and cast a vote regularly for one side or the other, it doesn’t work that way (what FIFA are doing is nothing new)
And the PFA? They’ve pretty much been on AAPFC’s dude all along. An independent A League means more money for the clubs, more money for the clubs means more money for their members. So based on recent history, the PFA are opposing the FFA.
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+x@ Burgs Read the full letter posted below. The Chairperson has to be independent of pretty much everyone involved - FFA, clubs, AAFC, States, pretty much a non-football person. So how coukd they vote on key issues? But the key is in the written brief - they are there to make sure, through negotiation and mediation, that the working group achieves the objectives. You can’t negoti and mediate and cast a vote regularly for one side or the other, it doesn’t work that way (what FIFA are doing is nothing new) And the PFA? They’ve pretty much been on AAPFC’s dude all along. An independent A League means more money for the clubs, more money for the clubs means more money for their members. So based on recent history, the PFA are opposing the FFA. Sorry, letter ? Written Brief ? where ? I can't see it
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Big poppa posted a link to the full letter earlier in the thread
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+xBig poppa posted a link to the full letter earlier in the thread  Found another https://twitter.com/FootballCentAU/status/982101541984219139
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So 1. It's up to the Federation to work out themselves who the 4 are, nothing about 'largest' 2. Chairman can do whatever he wants, nothing stopping him voting on anything, everything or nothing 3. If FFA and 4 Feds vote together for something, there's nothing Chairman can do about it
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+xSo 1. It's up to the Federation to work out themselves who the 4 are, nothing about 'largest' 2. Chairman can do whatever he wants, nothing stopping him voting on anything, everything or nothing 3. If FFA and 4 Feds vote together for something, there's nothing Chairman can do about it Ultimate vote has to be unanimous, doesn't it?
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+x+xSo 1. It's up to the Federation to work out themselves who the 4 are, nothing about 'largest' 2. Chairman can do whatever he wants, nothing stopping him voting on anything, everything or nothing 3. If FFA and 4 Feds vote together for something, there's nothing Chairman can do about it Ultimate vote has to be unanimous, doesn't it? does it ? only on who the Chairman will be, after that, no idea
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why is the FFA even on this proposed committee ? ...they are supposed to be the administrative body of Australian Football...they are not representative of anybody in themselves...so why would they have any say whatsoever ? who do they represent ?
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Bonitas article http://footballtoday.news/features/the-ffa-congress-review-working-group-unpackedpart re the 4 Feds What about the four state federations? Just which of the four state federations will be selected to represent the nine will tilt the outcome of the Working Group one way or the other. For a start, it will not include Queensland. The current President of Football Queensland is not standing for re-election which takes place at the end of this month. In fact: if there are any good people in Queensland wanting to run for the Board, they should nominate now! We understand nominations close this week. The word is that it is unlikely to be the ACT in light of their exposure from last year’s FIFA/AFC visit. The NT is also unlikely to be included because of distance and relative size. The WA President is said to have more positions on issues than the kama sutra on steroids, so the factions within the state federations may be somewhat wary of his inclusion. When not nodding off, the Northern NSW President is known to be strongly aligned with FFA. That leaves ex-Adelaide United CEO, and now Chairman of FFSA, Sam Ciccarello as both a power broker and peace-maker amongst the state federation presidents; possibly Tasmania to ensure small state representation; as well as the two biggest states, Victoria and NSW. If that is the case, then the Congress Review Working Group will ultimately end-up recommending an FFA Congress more or less along the lines of what the A-League clubs and the PFA wanted in the first place - albeit with a few tweaks, improvments and some expansion of the original model. And that gets us back to the questions for FFA: what has this all been about, what has taken so long, and why did we have to get to this point of FIFA/AFC intervention?
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+xBonitas article http://footballtoday.news/features/the-ffa-congress-review-working-group-unpackedpart re the 4 Feds What about the four state federations? Just which of the four state federations will be selected to represent the nine will tilt the outcome of the Working Group one way or the other. For a start, it will not include Queensland. The current President of Football Queensland is not standing for re-election which takes place at the end of this month. In fact: if there are any good people in Queensland wanting to run for the Board, they should nominate now! We understand nominations close this week. The word is that it is unlikely to be the ACT in light of their exposure from last year’s FIFA/AFC visit. The NT is also unlikely to be included because of distance and relative size. The WA President is said to have more positions on issues than the kama sutra on steroids, so the factions within the state federations may be somewhat wary of his inclusion. When not nodding off, the Northern NSW President is known to be strongly aligned with FFA. That leaves ex-Adelaide United CEO, and now Chairman of FFSA, Sam Ciccarello as both a power broker and peace-maker amongst the state federation presidents; possibly Tasmania to ensure small state representation; as well as the two biggest states, Victoria and NSW. If that is the case, then the Congress Review Working Group will ultimately end-up recommending an FFA Congress more or less along the lines of what the A-League clubs and the PFA wanted in the first place - albeit with a few tweaks, improvments and some expansion of the original model. And that gets us back to the questions for FFA: what has this all been about, what has taken so long, and why did we have to get to this point of FIFA/AFC intervention?
The state member federations have released their official response to FIFA's outlined Congress Working Group, nominating the four federations which will represent their interests. Football New South Wales, Football Federation South Australia, Football Federation Victoria and Football West - representing Western Australia - will comprise the four seats given to state federations in the group.
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One thing I will say of Cicarello. I played football with his son 20 years back. This bloke had our team's respect as teenagers. One match he was watching on the sidelines punching a dart, towards the end he gets another one out and lights it off the dart he already has. Just needed it. Possibly not relevant to the congress thing.
What's Bonita's background? Journo or something else? Every time I've read something from her I've been impressed. If she had some background in law or business I'd have her on a football board any day.
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+xOne thing I will say of Cicarello. I played football with his son 20 years back. This bloke had our team's respect as teenagers. One match he was watching on the sidelines punching a dart, towards the end he gets another one out and lights it off the dart he already has. Just needed it. Possibly not relevant to the congress thing. What's Bonita's background? Journo or something else? Every time I've read something from her I've been impressed. If she had some background in law or business I'd have her on a football board any day. Her background is football, corporate affairs and writing. She loves the game - obsessed would be an accurate summation. Talks about it in person the same way she writes about it - considered, educated and passionate. Worked at the FFA for a fair while until she was 'exited' because she was asking too many questions about the corrupt nature of our bid. That she was pushed out, then smeared, by those running football says more about their attitude than her character. She SHOULD 100% be involved in running the game in Australia.
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+x+xOne thing I will say of Cicarello. I played football with his son 20 years back. This bloke had our team's respect as teenagers. One match he was watching on the sidelines punching a dart, towards the end he gets another one out and lights it off the dart he already has. Just needed it. Possibly not relevant to the congress thing. What's Bonita's background? Journo or something else? Every time I've read something from her I've been impressed. If she had some background in law or business I'd have her on a football board any day. Her background is football, corporate affairs and writing. She loves the game - obsessed would be an accurate summation. Talks about it in person the same way she writes about it - considered, educated and passionate. Worked at the FFA for a fair while until she was 'exited' because she was asking too many questions about the corrupt nature of our bid. That she was pushed out, then smeared, by those running football says more about their attitude than her character. She SHOULD 100% be involved in running the game in Australia. There are so many disgusting examples of how shifty the FFA have been from day one and this is just another of the many out there. What I can't believe is how people still to this day continue to back such a shit and shifty organisation just because of their opinion that the A-league is still getting bigger crowds then the NSL did. Football in Australia would be so much bigger then what it currently is if we had smart honest people running the game compared to shifty dodgy greedy people running it which is what we have.
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+xWhat's Bonita's background? Journo or something else? Every time I've read something from her I've been impressed. If she had some background in law or business I'd have her on a football board any day. I recommend this, gives some of her history and a her character, also some good yarns http://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/totalfootball/australias-world-cup-bid-failed/9564152
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An excellent article from Bonita, she writes well.
They key then are who the states nominate, with QLD out due to Fosters retirement it’s essential the two big states of NSWs and VIC get on there.
If there’s any logic in this (which politics won’t allow of course) it should be 2 big, 2 small. If that’s the case we should get a rapidly moving committee and some decent change.
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+xAn excellent article from Bonita, she writes well. They key then are who the states nominate, with QLD out due to Fosters retirement it’s essential the two big states of NSWs and VIC get on there. If there’s any logic in this (which politics won’t allow of course) it should be 2 big, 2 small. If that’s the case we should get a rapidly moving committee and some decent change. I'm not too sure about SA getting a gig. FFSA struggles to get all of SA football under its banner. I don't think we have much to say about getting the whole country united. But if SA sent Chicka then I would probably see that as more positive for FFA's side. He was involved with AU at an earlier stage when it was closer to FFSA. I reckon he'd be more in the fed's camp these days.
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It says a lot about the States right, most of them are in a mess and can’t sort their own affairs out let alone look nationally.
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As Bonita points out in her article, it may be difficult to find a local. The Chair must be voted unanimously which is actually a good thing, but will be challenging.
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+x@ Benjamin As Bonita points out in her article, it may be difficult to find a local. The Chair must be voted unanimously which is actually a good thing, but will be challenging. As I said before... David Crawford. Can't think of anyone having any reason not to support him for the gig.
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Any other nominations? I can't see much better.
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+x+x@ Benjamin As Bonita points out in her article, it may be difficult to find a local. The Chair must be voted unanimously which is actually a good thing, but will be challenging. As I said before... David Crawford. Can't think of anyone having any reason not to support him for the gig. (start of the meeting) *audible sigh* "well fuck me, look where we're all sitting. why would that be?"
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+x@ Benjamin As Bonita points out in her article, it may be difficult to find a local. The Chair must be voted unanimously which is actually a good thing, but will be challenging. I think you underestimate our country's talent for lawyers. I mean, fuck me, Saddam Hussein's lawyer was John Marsden from Australia. We have the talent. Btw, I don't recommend John Marsden. Dead, basically.
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+x+x@ Benjamin As Bonita points out in her article, it may be difficult to find a local. The Chair must be voted unanimously which is actually a good thing, but will be challenging. I think you underestimate our country's talent for lawyers. Maybe I could do it, I have also used cocaine?....and I have a passion for football.
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+xI recon the FFA would oppose Crawford Would put them in a very tricky spot though... "Why do you oppose this figure who is so respected within Australian sports administration?" "Well, the thing is... He produced the report that brought us to power, and then we completely ignored all of his findings..."
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Another nomination if we want the new congress to be negotiated on "just terms" 
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Moving away from the states and the chair, I wonder which two club reps will go forward - I hope Griffin recuses himself, Ive nothing against him personally but it would be like sending a bear in to a china shop, there are deals to be done here and Griffins not really seen as a deal maker.
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+xMoving away from the states and the chair, I wonder which two club reps will go forward - I hope Griffin recuses himself, Ive nothing against him personally but it would be like sending a bear in to a china shop, there are deals to be done here and Griffins not really seen as a deal maker. As the main purpose of the working group is to do with Australian Football governance and operation I'd expect that foreign owners would step aside and leave Australian owners to it. That would leave two of Wanderers, Victory and Perth to represent the views of the clubs.
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+x+xMoving away from the states and the chair, I wonder which two club reps will go forward - I hope Griffin recuses himself, Ive nothing against him personally but it would be like sending a bear in to a china shop, there are deals to be done here and Griffins not really seen as a deal maker. As the main purpose of the working group is to do with Australian Football governance and operation I'd expect that foreign owners would step aside and leave Australian owners to it. That would leave two of Wanderers, Victory and Perth to represent the views of the clubs. hard to see that FIFA would concur with that view
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+xMoving away from the states and the chair, I wonder which two club reps will go forward - I hope Griffin recuses himself, Ive nothing against him personally but it would be like sending a bear in to a china shop, there are deals to be done here and Griffins not really seen as a deal maker. agree
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Waz
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@ Gyfox
That’s an interesting take. I’m not sure foreign ownership should necessarily rule a club out though, good governance is just good governance - it’s not nationalistic
And up until now governance has been in the hands of Australian nationals Frank and now Steven Lowy and an elected board of Australians. Is that really a basis for arguing Aussie’s know best?
Foreign owners have invested the same if not more than domestic owners, it’s a bit difficult to argue you can spend your money here but you can’t have a say in the running of the game.
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+x@ Gyfox That’s an interesting take. I’m not sure foreign ownership should necessarily rule a club out though, good governance is just good governance - it’s not nationalistic And up until now governance has been in the hands of Australian nationals Frank and now Steven Lowy and an elected board of Australians. Is that really a basis for arguing Aussie’s know best? Foreign owners have invested the same if not more than domestic owners, it’s a bit difficult to argue you can spend your money here but you can’t have a say in the running of the game. I think its the same as any foreign owned company that operates here. They operate within the legislative environment here and they are free to lobby who they want to but they have no role in deciding on changes. That is a matter for Australians.
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@ Gyfox
Foreign companies are involved in Australian affairs. The government actively consults with them, involves them in developing legislation, and they participate as stakeholders in the business community. Occurs at both state and federal level. So on that basis, foreign owners are in.
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+x@ Gyfox Foreign companies are involved in Australian affairs. The government actively consults with them, involves them in developing legislation, and they participate as stakeholders in the business community. Occurs at both state and federal level. So on that basis, foreign owners are in. They don't decide anything though. That is the politicians role. The working group is effectively going to decide what happens in Australian football in the future.
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@ Gyfox
Yes they do determine things.
Foreign Tekecommunication companies are involved in industry associations here and vote and elect board members who decide on crucial industry matters. Same for foreign banks. Same for foreign hotels. The list is endless, Brewdog, a Scottish company, is arriving here soon and will immediately join the irrelevant ndustry association that will drive industry legislation.
The FFA is an industry association, the industry just happens to be football. Not only should foreign owned clubs be involved in this process they should be encouraged, how else do we get the next CFG or Ledman type investment.
And it’s not like we’re trying to implement Australian law here, the governance we are seeking is to meet the requirements of a Swiss based organisation.
If I were a foreign owner I’d be saying “we’ve seen Australian governance and we don’t like it - it’s not transparent, open, inclusive, democratic and it’s certainly not compliant to international standards”.
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+x@ Gyfox Yes they do determine things. Foreign Tekecommunication companies are involved in industry associations here and vote and elect board members who decide on crucial industry matters. Same for foreign banks. Same for foreign hotels. The list is endless, Brewdog, a Scottish company, is arriving here soon and will immediately join the irrelevant ndustry association that will drive industry legislation. The FFA is an industry association, the industry just happens to be football. Not only should foreign owned clubs be involved in this process they should be encouraged, how else do we get the next CFG or Ledman type investment. And it’s not like we’re trying to implement Australian law here, the governance we are seeking is to meet the requirements of a Swiss based organisation. If I were a foreign owner I’d be saying “we’ve seen Australian governance and we don’t like it - it’s not transparent, open, inclusive, democratic and it’s certainly not compliant to international standards”. I'd also be asking why "foreigners" are to be excluded except certain Israeli citizens who can own the whole process.
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Change will happen with the chosen Feds to the board.
NSW, VIC, WA & SA....
Now lets hope they can move quickly to a new and reasonable model.
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+xChange will happen with the chosen Feds to the board. NSW, VIC, WA & SA.... Now lets hope they can move quickly to a new and reasonable model. Good thing that Northern NSW is not in the state reps. Rumour has it that the leaker during the last debacle was the head of Northern NSW.
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+x+xChange will happen with the chosen Feds to the board. NSW, VIC, WA & SA.... Now lets hope they can move quickly to a new and reasonable model. Good thing that Northern NSW is not in the state reps. Rumour has it that the leaker during the last debacle was the head of Northern NSW. NNSW are on all 4s for the FFA as it stands.
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+x+xChange will happen with the chosen Feds to the board. NSW, VIC, WA & SA.... Now lets hope they can move quickly to a new and reasonable model. Good thing that Northern NSW is not in the state reps. Rumour has it that the leaker during the last debacle was the head of Northern NSW. It was widely rumoured that it was the head of Capital Football.
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+x+x+xChange will happen with the chosen Feds to the board. NSW, VIC, WA & SA.... Now lets hope they can move quickly to a new and reasonable model. Good thing that Northern NSW is not in the state reps. Rumour has it that the leaker during the last debacle was the head of Northern NSW. It was widely rumoured that it was the head of Capital Football. and reported in the press.
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+xChange will happen with the chosen Feds to the board. NSW, VIC, WA & SA.... Now lets hope they can move quickly to a new and reasonable model. Change was always going to happen once this last process was set up. It will be interesting to see how it goes. FNSW only considered the FFA and clubs options and went with the clubs at the AGM but with an independent person facilitating the process I think they will support a much wider congress membership than either of those two proposals which were totally inadequate. FFV will also go with a bigger congress in my view. One of the reasons that it voted down the FFA proposal was that it didn't include adequate representation for women as well as p/r. Will the clubs accept a wider congress with not much greater influence for them? I've got my doubts. I certainly hope the situation doesn't return to how it was traditionally with the elite clubs, NSW and Vic running the show. As for the structure of football who knows how it will end up. Independent A-League, Club owned A-League, Independent national NPL/2nd div, A-League and national NPL/2nd div run by the same independent body, pro/rel to be phased in or be brought straight in, none of these?
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+x+xChange will happen with the chosen Feds to the board. NSW, VIC, WA & SA.... Now lets hope they can move quickly to a new and reasonable model. Change was always going to happen once this last process was set up. It will be interesting to see how it goes. FNSW only considered the FFA and clubs options and went with the clubs at the AGM but with an independent person facilitating the process I think they will support a much wider congress membership than either of those two proposals which were totally inadequate. FFV will also go with a bigger congress in my view. One of the reasons that it voted down the FFA proposal was that it didn't include adequate representation for women as well as p/r. Will the clubs accept a wider congress with not much greater influence for them? I've got my doubts. I certainly hope the situation doesn't return to how it was traditionally with the elite clubs, NSW and Vic running the show. As for the structure of football who knows how it will end up. Independent A-League, Club owned A-League, Independent national NPL/2nd div, A-League and national NPL/2nd div run by the same independent body, pro/rel to be phased in or be brought straight in, none of these? My guess is and I mean guess is we will hopefully have 8 well qualified folk under the guidance of an excellent mentor .... that this group will develop a governance model that will enable growth and hopefully those elected into the new positions in the new governance model will have the smarts to decide on the best way forward and guide and lead us and the various civil wars and constant infighting can be a thing of the past.
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+x+x+xChange will happen with the chosen Feds to the board. NSW, VIC, WA & SA.... Now lets hope they can move quickly to a new and reasonable model. Change was always going to happen once this last process was set up. It will be interesting to see how it goes. FNSW only considered the FFA and clubs options and went with the clubs at the AGM but with an independent person facilitating the process I think they will support a much wider congress membership than either of those two proposals which were totally inadequate. FFV will also go with a bigger congress in my view. One of the reasons that it voted down the FFA proposal was that it didn't include adequate representation for women as well as p/r. Will the clubs accept a wider congress with not much greater influence for them? I've got my doubts. I certainly hope the situation doesn't return to how it was traditionally with the elite clubs, NSW and Vic running the show. As for the structure of football who knows how it will end up. Independent A-League, Club owned A-League, Independent national NPL/2nd div, A-League and national NPL/2nd div run by the same independent body, pro/rel to be phased in or be brought straight in, none of these? My guess is and I mean guess is we will hopefully have 8 well qualified folk under the guidance of an excellent mentor .... that this group will develop a governance model that will enable growth and hopefully those elected into the new positions in the new governance model will have the smarts to decide on the best way forward and guide and lead us and the various civil wars and constant infighting can be a thing of the past. 
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I know this is controversial but what about someone involved in the tv industry as the independent chair. Either at governance level or foxsports. We always complain that we need to take football back from tv bit in reality many of the things we want to see happen need backing with tv money. If we could get fox inside with a broader vision for the game (expansion, marques, p/r, div 2, expanded cap etc.). What do you guys think? Too radical?
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Nothings been said about how voting will work in this committee, apart from unanimously electing the chair. Is it a simple majority for voting, unanimous or some convoluted majority?
The camp for change/against the FFA is likely to be NSW, VIC, PFA plus the two HAL Reps. So 5 out of 9 votes.
All the rest against which is three votes (States and the FFA Rep) plus shall we say a floating Chair vote which is not possible to predict (but if done right the Chair should look a lot like Switzerland).
So a 5-3 in favour of change. That should work. Surely lol??
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“..... and the various civil wars and constant infighting can be a thing of the past”
Yeah but nah; the current process is papering over the cracks and the divisions and politicking that Lowy has exploited to his advantage are still there.
The AAFC, AAPFC and to a certain extent the PFA have done well to maintain a consistent and unified front and I’ve said all along that these three need to form an alliance to drive this process forward.
The states themselves are all just basketcases to varying degrees - QLD and SA couldn’t be considered for this due to internal divisions and in-fighting, ACT was ruled out because last time they leaked confidential meeting information and WA only just made or in despite their own issues. It’s not pretty.
I don’t know what the answer is for the states but this process wont fix them. Expect the factions and politics to continue during and after this process - all we can hope is on the far side whatever structure they come up with for Congress results in a need for cooperation and collaboration and no one party can control a block vote.
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I am talking about 60 years of infighting.... arguably the first tree to four seasons of the NSL & first 7 to 8 years of the A-League we had relative peace...
Whatever the cause, lets all blame Lowy for everything .... we need a period of clam as however justified claims have been ... we have torn our game apart over the last two years...
My hope is as I posted out of the process a new board will be elected and they deliver a model we can all get behind.
My fear is we have created such a toxic negativity environment that the new suits who ever and in what ever form they are not supported.
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+xWaz I am talking about 60 years of infighting.... arguably the first tree to four seasons of the NSL & first 7 to 8 years of the A-League we had relative peace... Whatever the cause, lets all blame Lowy for everything .... we need a period of clam as however justified claims have been ... we have torn our game apart over the last two years... My hope is as I posted out of the process a new board will be elected and they deliver a model we can all get behind. My fear is we have created such a toxic negativity environment that the new suits who ever and in what ever form they are not supported. If every team had access to the top and was fairly compensated for producing talent there would be very little relevant infighting.
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+x+xWaz I am talking about 60 years of infighting.... arguably the first tree to four seasons of the NSL & first 7 to 8 years of the A-League we had relative peace... Whatever the cause, lets all blame Lowy for everything .... we need a period of clam as however justified claims have been ... we have torn our game apart over the last two years... My hope is as I posted out of the process a new board will be elected and they deliver a model we can all get behind. My fear is we have created such a toxic negativity environment that the new suits who ever and in what ever form they are not supported. If every team had access to the top and was fairly compensated for producing talent there would be very little relevant infighting. That idea went out in 1955 .... when a Frank lowy lead group essentially torn apart the then structure because ... hhhmmm ... depending on where you sit, its because the then admins where hopeless and to much based in pre WWII ways and ANGLO ... and the other side a group of greedy inpatient migrants who ceased power ... neither is true... BUT BUT we went away from District Association to clubs owned by an individual or a group... Nothing has changed since except the suits .... Football is based out of local club land and we have never had it.... The changes you want are profound and to implement harder that many assume.... the formation of the NPL clubs into their own group of 110 teams IMO has been the best move in Australian Football for years as this is where the answer lies [As they have broken ties with the State feds].... however even they say the earliest they can be ready for P & R is 2024 and thats an aspirational date so more likely further out. Much more important IMO is establish a non bias system , pathway or whatever name you wish to give it thats shows how to achieve it in a reasonable time.
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+x+x+xWaz I am talking about 60 years of infighting.... arguably the first tree to four seasons of the NSL & first 7 to 8 years of the A-League we had relative peace... Whatever the cause, lets all blame Lowy for everything .... we need a period of clam as however justified claims have been ... we have torn our game apart over the last two years... My hope is as I posted out of the process a new board will be elected and they deliver a model we can all get behind. My fear is we have created such a toxic negativity environment that the new suits who ever and in what ever form they are not supported. If every team had access to the top and was fairly compensated for producing talent there would be very little relevant infighting. That idea went out in 1955 .... when a Frank lowy lead group essentially torn apart the then structure because ... hhhmmm ... depending on where you sit, its because the then admins where hopeless and to much based in pre WWII ways and ANGLO ... and the other side a group of greedy inpatient migrants who ceased power ... neither is true... BUT BUT we went away from District Association to clubs owned by an individual or a group... Nothing has changed since except the suits .... Football is based out of local club land and we have never had it.... The changes you want are profound and to implement harder that many assume.... the formation of the NPL clubs into their own group of 110 teams IMO has been the best move in Australian Football for years as this is where the answer lies [As they have broken ties with the State feds].... however even they say the earliest they can be ready for P & R is 2024 and thats an aspirational date so more likely further out. Much more important IMO is establish a non bias system , pathway or whatever name you wish to give it thats shows how to achieve it in a reasonable time. Has anyone heard who will sit on the panel for the FFA and who for the PFA?
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+x+x+x+xWaz I am talking about 60 years of infighting.... arguably the first tree to four seasons of the NSL & first 7 to 8 years of the A-League we had relative peace... Whatever the cause, lets all blame Lowy for everything .... we need a period of clam as however justified claims have been ... we have torn our game apart over the last two years... My hope is as I posted out of the process a new board will be elected and they deliver a model we can all get behind. My fear is we have created such a toxic negativity environment that the new suits who ever and in what ever form they are not supported. If every team had access to the top and was fairly compensated for producing talent there would be very little relevant infighting. That idea went out in 1955 .... when a Frank lowy lead group essentially torn apart the then structure because ... hhhmmm ... depending on where you sit, its because the then admins where hopeless and to much based in pre WWII ways and ANGLO ... and the other side a group of greedy inpatient migrants who ceased power ... neither is true... BUT BUT we went away from District Association to clubs owned by an individual or a group... Nothing has changed since except the suits .... Football is based out of local club land and we have never had it.... The changes you want are profound and to implement harder that many assume.... the formation of the NPL clubs into their own group of 110 teams IMO has been the best move in Australian Football for years as this is where the answer lies [As they have broken ties with the State feds].... however even they say the earliest they can be ready for P & R is 2024 and thats an aspirational date so more likely further out. Much more important IMO is establish a non bias system , pathway or whatever name you wish to give it thats shows how to achieve it in a reasonable time. Has anyone heard who will sit on the panel for the FFA and who for the PFA? FFA : Nikou PFA chairman
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Strong rumour they’ve struggled to find an independent chair for this, but that they think “they’ve now found her”
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+xStrong rumour they’ve struggled to find an independent chair for this, but that they think “they’ve now found her” #WazJoke
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So am i right to assume nothing is going to happen until after the world cup?
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+xSo am i right to assume nothing is going to happen until after the world cup? Yes. You'd probably also be right to assume to nothing is going to happen.
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+x+xSo am i right to assume nothing is going to happen until after the world cup? Yes. You'd probably also be right to assume to nothing is going to happen. The corrupt slime at the FFA have been delaying, deflecting, lying & obstructing for three years now. No need to change a winning strategy considering that the game is going gangbusters.
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+x+x+xSo am i right to assume nothing is going to happen until after the world cup? Yes. You'd probably also be right to assume to nothing is going to happen. The corrupt slime at the FFA have been delaying, deflecting, lying & obstructing for three years now. No need to change a winning strategy considering that the game is going gangbusters. Bingo. Why change it when his family are the only ones making a profit?
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Might be an announcement after the World Cup and then nothing till after the Asian Cup. That's probably the least "disruptive" timetable...
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+xMight be an announcement after the World Cup and then nothing till after the Asian Cup. That's probably the least "disruptive" timetable... Mean while FFA continue lobbing bombs on Phoenix to deflect attention.
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+x+xMight be an announcement after the World Cup and then nothing till after the Asian Cup. That's probably the least "disruptive" timetable... Mean while FFA continue lobbing bombs on Phoenix to deflect attention. and dropping bullshit rumours about iniesta
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+xMight be an announcement after the World Cup and then nothing till after the Asian Cup. That's probably the least "disruptive" timetable... Decision is due july 31 and passed by egm in September from memory. interesting to see what fifa do if it's not
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can they just hurry up and get this done... this is going to cost us another fkn sterile season and more loss of support.
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Any update on Chairperson or will FFA continually object to an Independent thinker?
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+xAny update on Chairperson or will FFA continually object to an Independent thinker? Been wondering about that myself seems an age as they need to have it finalised by 31 July.
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+x+xAny update on Chairperson or will FFA continually object to an Independent thinker? Been wondering about that myself seems an age as they need to have it finalised by 31 July. You would wonder why the media is not chasing the biggest Football story since the Lowy take over.
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+xAny update on Chairperson or will FFA continually object to an Independent thinker? Has the FFA rejected anyone for the role of chair? Have the clubs rejected anyone? Have the state feds rejected anyone? Is it possible to find someone that is a football person who has had no previous affiliation with all of them? I've heard nothing from any source.
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+x+xAny update on Chairperson or will FFA continually object to an Independent thinker? Has the FFA rejected anyone for the role of chair? Have the clubs rejected anyone? Have the state feds rejected anyone? Is it possible to find someone that is a football person who has had no previous affiliation with all of them? I've heard nothing from any source. it doesnt really matter does it? they have a deadline to decide and if they dont, then FIFA will appoint someone. the only issue is how much of a crony the FIFA appointment is. but considering it's CFG money vs Westfield money, i think the FIFA crony will probably be leaning away from the FFA and towards the bigger pile of cash.
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+x+x+xAny update on Chairperson or will FFA continually object to an Independent thinker? Has the FFA rejected anyone for the role of chair? Have the clubs rejected anyone? Have the state feds rejected anyone? Is it possible to find someone that is a football person who has had no previous affiliation with all of them? I've heard nothing from any source. it doesnt really matter does it? they have a deadline to decide and if they dont, then FIFA will appoint someone. the only issue is how much of a crony the FIFA appointment is. but considering it's CFG money vs Westfield money, i think the FIFA crony will probably be leaning away from the FFA and towards the bigger pile of cash. Why would the FIFA appointed chair (if it gets that far) favour the CFG view? I'd expect the FIFA appointee would support the FIFA view which the way I read it is not what the elite clubs want but a much bigger Congress that the clubs can't control like they did with football for 45 years before Lowy was brought in.
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+x+x+x+xAny update on Chairperson or will FFA continually object to an Independent thinker? Has the FFA rejected anyone for the role of chair? Have the clubs rejected anyone? Have the state feds rejected anyone? Is it possible to find someone that is a football person who has had no previous affiliation with all of them? I've heard nothing from any source. it doesnt really matter does it? they have a deadline to decide and if they dont, then FIFA will appoint someone. the only issue is how much of a crony the FIFA appointment is. but considering it's CFG money vs Westfield money, i think the FIFA crony will probably be leaning away from the FFA and towards the bigger pile of cash. Why would the FIFA appointed chair (if it gets that far) favour the CFG view? I'd expect the FIFA appointee would support the FIFA view which the way I read it is not what the elite clubs want but a much bigger Congress that the clubs can't control like they did with football for 45 years before Lowy was brought in. I read it as they want a balanced congress where one party can not DICTATE the way forward. Is the current congress not setup so the Lowy group can vote down anything that they don't like weather it be good for football in Ozz or not?
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+x+x+x+x+xAny update on Chairperson or will FFA continually object to an Independent thinker? Has the FFA rejected anyone for the role of chair? Have the clubs rejected anyone? Have the state feds rejected anyone? Is it possible to find someone that is a football person who has had no previous affiliation with all of them? I've heard nothing from any source. it doesnt really matter does it? they have a deadline to decide and if they dont, then FIFA will appoint someone. the only issue is how much of a crony the FIFA appointment is. but considering it's CFG money vs Westfield money, i think the FIFA crony will probably be leaning away from the FFA and towards the bigger pile of cash. Why would the FIFA appointed chair (if it gets that far) favour the CFG view? I'd expect the FIFA appointee would support the FIFA view which the way I read it is not what the elite clubs want but a much bigger Congress that the clubs can't control like they did with football for 45 years before Lowy was brought in. I read it as they want a balanced congress where one party can not DICTATE the way forward. Is the current congress not setup so the Lowy group can vote down anything that they don't like weather it be good for football in Ozz or not? Neither the FFA model nor the APFCA model were compliant with the FIFA representative democracy model in my view. Both were an attempt to control football. In the FFA case it was them and the states controlling and in the APFCA case it was a return to them and FNSW and FFV effectively controlling as it was for decades before the new regime. In my view neither understand that Congress is not really about votes but about the voices of football being heard and listened to and major directional decisions being made in the best interest of football by consensus and by approbation on the voices. Its not meant to be adversarial but its become that here because of un-dealt with distrust and disrespect that are the marque of our football culture developed over decades.
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+x+x+x+xAny update on Chairperson or will FFA continually object to an Independent thinker? Has the FFA rejected anyone for the role of chair? Have the clubs rejected anyone? Have the state feds rejected anyone? Is it possible to find someone that is a football person who has had no previous affiliation with all of them? I've heard nothing from any source. it doesnt really matter does it? they have a deadline to decide and if they dont, then FIFA will appoint someone. the only issue is how much of a crony the FIFA appointment is. but considering it's CFG money vs Westfield money, i think the FIFA crony will probably be leaning away from the FFA and towards the bigger pile of cash. Why would the FIFA appointed chair (if it gets that far) favour the CFG view? I'd expect the FIFA appointee would support the FIFA view which the way I read it is not what the elite clubs want but a much bigger Congress that the clubs can't control like they did with football for 45 years before Lowy was brought in. i was being cynical about the agenda of FIFA. which to be fair is historically corrupted by the influence of money. CFG has a lot of influence with FIFA. and I get that ideally the congress should operate as you have mentioned - with a kind of utopian dream of giving a voice to the masses and being inclusive of all parties. but this is not what is going to happen. the chair is likely going to be the vote the swings decisions one way or the other. and in this case it seems that the FFA and their supporters are essentially doing the lowy family/westfield bidding and the APFCA are basically driven by CFG interests - which happen to align with the mood of a lot of the FFA opposition. My point is that I think the appointee will probably support FIFA's agenda which will be more likely tilted towards the interests of CFG. Personally I would prefer that the foreign ownership of clubs didnt take control of the game, but our current system is fucked and being used as a trophy room for the lowy family.
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Exactly. Fair to assume that Australian media is happy for a rich Australian billionaire to run things the way he sees fit without interference from some awful foreigners. After all, Australia does corruption better than any foreign country - why do we need FIFAs help??
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+x@ Blew.2Exactly. Fair to assume that Australian media is happy for a rich Australian billionaire to run things the way he sees fit without interference from some awful foreigners. After all, Australia does corruption better than any foreign country - why do we need FIFAs help?? You would think even FFA (Not Lowy or Gollop) would want to get this tidied up pre-spending millions on The Women's world cup bid.
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+x+x@ Blew.2Exactly. Fair to assume that Australian media is happy for a rich Australian billionaire to run things the way he sees fit without interference from some awful foreigners. After all, Australia does corruption better than any foreign country - why do we need FIFAs help?? You would think even FFA (Not Lowy or Gollop) would want to get this tidied up pre-spending millions on The Women's world cup bid. FFA is Lowy, that's the whole point Board is all Lowys mates Gallop is paid by Lowy to do what Lowys Board pay him and FFA have justspent a Motza flying themselves to Amman to promote their Womens WC Bid http://footballtoday.news/features/ffa-in-numbers-at-womens-asian-cupThey're spending whatever they can whilst they've got the chance.
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+x+x+x@ Blew.2Exactly. Fair to assume that Australian media is happy for a rich Australian billionaire to run things the way he sees fit without interference from some awful foreigners. After all, Australia does corruption better than any foreign country - why do we need FIFAs help?? You would think even FFA (Not Lowy or Gollop) would want to get this tidied up pre-spending millions on The Women's world cup bid. FFA is Lowy, that's the whole point Board is all Lowys mates Gallop is paid by Lowy to do what Lowys Board pay him and FFA have justspent a Motza flying themselves to Amman to promote their Womens WC Bid http://footballtoday.news/features/ffa-in-numbers-at-womens-asian-cupThey're spending whatever they can whilst they've got the chance. Finally, as one source remarked: ‘When will the Australians realise we won’t take them seriously until they sort out their own mess?’ By that, they mean the FFA Congress. Seventeen days after FIFA announced the terms of reference and membership of the Congress Review Working Group, nothing has been heard other than to confirm the individuals representing the A-League clubs (Greg Griffin and Simon Pearce) and the member federations (Kimon Taliadoros, Sam Ciccarello, Anter Isaac and Liam Twigger). This group’s first task, together with the FFA Board and PFA representatives is to “unanimously” agree on a chairperson for the working group. Time is ticking-by. There are 102 days remaining in which to report a majority view to FIFA and AFC on the composition of the FFA Congress.
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15 Member associations’ statutes Member associations’ statutes must comply with the principles of good governance, and shall in particular contain, at a minimum, provisions relating to the following matters :a) to be neutral in matters of politics and religion; b) to prohibit all forms of discrimination ;c) to be independent and avoid any form of political interference ;d) to ensure that judicial bodies are independent (separation of powers) ;e) all relevant stakeholders must agree to respect the Laws of the Game,the principles of loyalty, integrity, sportsmanship and fair play as well as the Statutes, regulations and decisions of FIFA and of the respective confederation ;f) all relevant stakeholders must agree to recognise the jurisdiction and authority of CAS and give priority to arbitration as a means of dispute resolution ;g) that the member association has the primary responsibility to regulate matters relating to refereeing, the fight against doping, the registrationI I. Membership 14 of players, club licensing, the imposition of disciplinary measures, including for ethical misconduct, and measures required to protect the integrity of competitions ;h) definition of the competences of the decision-making bodies ;i) to avoid conflicts of interests in decision-making ;j) legislative bodies must be constituted in accordance with the principles of representative democracy and taking into account the importance of gender equality in football
and ; k) yearly independent audits of accounts.
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+x15 Member associations’ statutes
Member associations’ statutes must comply with the principles of good governance, and shall in particular contain,
at a minimum, provisions relating to the following matters
;j) legislative bodies must be constituted in accordance with the principles of representative democracy and taking into account the importance of gender equality in football
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j) is what neither the FFA nor the APFCA model complied with.
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+x+x15 Member associations’ statutes
Member associations’ statutes must comply with the principles of good governance, and shall in particular contain,
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;j) legislative bodies must be constituted in accordance with the principles of representative democracy and taking into account the importance of gender equality in football
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j) is what neither the FFA nor the APFCA model complied with. APFCA wanted FFA Membership based on a nine (Federation Reps), six (A-League Club Reps), two (PFA Reps) and I presume the FFA board. and Gollop?
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In a nutshell the ffa and AAPFC were fighting over control not meeting FIFAs democratic requirements.
The FFA/Lowy wanted enough votes under their control so they could vote anyone of their choosing on to the FFA Board which controls football.
AAPFC’s didn’t want quite the same thing, they wanted enough votes to veto any nominations to the FFA Board (but not actually enough to vote anyone on).
Neither meet FIFAs requirements.
Right now Lowy and his legal cohorts are trying to figure out how they can seem to comply with FIFAs requirements AND retain control. A seemingly impossible task but this is Australia and we are a corrupt nation!
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+x Right now Lowy and his legal cohorts are trying to figure out how they can seem to comply with FIFAs requirements AND retain control. A seemingly impossible task but this is Australia and we are a corrupt nation! I think thats 1000000000000% true.
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Amazing how the FFA can keep a lid on this topic with out sending the media into a feeding frenzy
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definition of the competences of the decision-making bodies;i) to avoid conflicts of interests in decision-making2 parts of Article 15 the FFA CEO ans A-League CEO are struggling along with j) legislative bodies must be constituted in accordance with the principles of representative democracy and taking into account the importance of gender equality in football
Quietly awaiting Mr G to release his official decision on the sale meeting between Wgtn and WS Expansion group with a copy of the sale agreement MEDIA missing out on an upset here
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When will they appoint a independent chair. Starting to become a black comedy. Soon it could become a Shakespearean tragedy.
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+xWhen will they appoint a independent chair. Starting to become a black comedy. Soon it could become a Shakespearean tragedy. Agreed FIFA need to get their arse into gear .It has been slowing down the AAFCs work as well .however AAFC has made announcements that they have finalised their workshops released their findings and are looking at financial models.
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The announcement to form the committee was on 4 April, so counting the 4th as a day as well, thats 27 days in April, its 20 May today.
Thats 47 days on Tuesday its 7 weeks, looks from the outside getting everyone to agree the chair is impossible as each group would have their own preference.
We are starting to look a laughing stock, this is embarrassing.
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+xThe announcement to form the committee was on 4 April, so counting the 4th as a day as well, thats 27 days in April, its 20 May today. Thats 47 days on Tuesday its 7 weeks, looks from the outside getting everyone to agree the chair is impossible as each group would have their own preference. We are starting to look a laughing stock, this is embarrassing. It's in no ones agenda for this to fail. We need a pyramid yesterday. Expansion won't happen either at this rate.
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+x+xThe announcement to form the committee was on 4 April, so counting the 4th as a day as well, thats 27 days in April, its 20 May today. Thats 47 days on Tuesday its 7 weeks, looks from the outside getting everyone to agree the chair is impossible as each group would have their own preference. We are starting to look a laughing stock, this is embarrassing. It's in no ones agenda for this to fail. We need a pyramid yesterday. Expansion won't happen either at this rate. We will eventually get to a normalisation committee and FIFA will take over. Its getting ridiculous.
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+x+x+xThe announcement to form the committee was on 4 April, so counting the 4th as a day as well, thats 27 days in April, its 20 May today. Thats 47 days on Tuesday its 7 weeks, looks from the outside getting everyone to agree the chair is impossible as each group would have their own preference. We are starting to look a laughing stock, this is embarrassing. It's in no ones agenda for this to fail. We need a pyramid yesterday. Expansion won't happen either at this rate. We will eventually get to a normalisation committee and FIFA will take over. Its getting ridiculous. You need (Not NZ needs/to small a market but TV needs our time slot) a sustainable A-League first and foremost, 12 teams ok. Then you need a good 2 tier structure on a solid Pro/Amateur base. Both either totally independent or board run including an FFA member. Then once both are working introduce Promotion and Relegation with a drop support $ allocation. But your old boys club (FFA) will fight it all the way because the current system is easy finance for them!
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+x+x+x+xThe announcement to form the committee was on 4 April, so counting the 4th as a day as well, thats 27 days in April, its 20 May today. Thats 47 days on Tuesday its 7 weeks, looks from the outside getting everyone to agree the chair is impossible as each group would have their own preference. We are starting to look a laughing stock, this is embarrassing. It's in no ones agenda for this to fail. We need a pyramid yesterday. Expansion won't happen either at this rate. We will eventually get to a normalisation committee and FIFA will take over. Its getting ridiculous. You need (Not NZ needs/to small a market but TV needs our time slot) a sustainable A-League first and foremost, 12 teams ok. Then you need a good 2 tier structure on a solid Pro/Amateur base. Both either totally independent or board run including an FFA member. Then once both are working introduce Promotion and Relegation with a drop support $ allocation. But your old boys club (FFA) will fight it all the way because the current system is easy finance for them! I'm interested in what you mean by "totally independent". FIFA requires all leagues in Australia to be subordinate to the FFA and to comply with all FIFA, AFC and FFA statutes, regulations, decisions and instructions. They also give the FFA responsibility to run all national competitions but the FFA can delegate their authority to a league to run their competition. Thats normally done by a binding agreement being reached between the two parties governing how the league is to be operated etc. Does this arrangement meet your definition of "totally independent" or do you mean that the league is free to do what it wants?
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+x+x+x+xThe announcement to form the committee was on 4 April, so counting the 4th as a day as well, thats 27 days in April, its 20 May today. Thats 47 days on Tuesday its 7 weeks, looks from the outside getting everyone to agree the chair is impossible as each group would have their own preference. We are starting to look a laughing stock, this is embarrassing. It's in no ones agenda for this to fail. We need a pyramid yesterday. Expansion won't happen either at this rate. We will eventually get to a normalisation committee and FIFA will take over. Its getting ridiculous. You need (Not NZ needs/to small a market but TV needs our time slot) a sustainable A-League first and foremost, 12 teams ok. Then you need a good 2 tier structure on a solid Pro/Amateur base. Both either totally independent or board run including an FFA member. Then once both are working introduce Promotion and Relegation with a drop support $ allocation. But your old boys club (FFA) will fight it all the way because the current system is easy finance for them! Why is 12 teams sustainable ?
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+x+x+x+x+xThe announcement to form the committee was on 4 April, so counting the 4th as a day as well, thats 27 days in April, its 20 May today. Thats 47 days on Tuesday its 7 weeks, looks from the outside getting everyone to agree the chair is impossible as each group would have their own preference. We are starting to look a laughing stock, this is embarrassing. It's in no ones agenda for this to fail. We need a pyramid yesterday. Expansion won't happen either at this rate. We will eventually get to a normalisation committee and FIFA will take over. Its getting ridiculous. You need (Not NZ needs/to small a market but TV needs our time slot) a sustainable A-League first and foremost, 12 teams ok. Then you need a good 2 tier structure on a solid Pro/Amateur base. Both either totally independent or board run including an FFA member. Then once both are working introduce Promotion and Relegation with a drop support $ allocation. But your old boys club (FFA) will fight it all the way because the current system is easy finance for them! Why is 12 teams sustainable ? if 12 teams ain't sustainable, then we're in bigger trouble than we thought
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThe announcement to form the committee was on 4 April, so counting the 4th as a day as well, thats 27 days in April, its 20 May today. Thats 47 days on Tuesday its 7 weeks, looks from the outside getting everyone to agree the chair is impossible as each group would have their own preference. We are starting to look a laughing stock, this is embarrassing. It's in no ones agenda for this to fail. We need a pyramid yesterday. Expansion won't happen either at this rate. We will eventually get to a normalisation committee and FIFA will take over. Its getting ridiculous. You need (Not NZ needs/to small a market but TV needs our time slot) a sustainable A-League first and foremost, 12 teams ok. Then you need a good 2 tier structure on a solid Pro/Amateur base. Both either totally independent or board run including an FFA member. Then once both are working introduce Promotion and Relegation with a drop support $ allocation. But your old boys club (FFA) will fight it all the way because the current system is easy finance for them! Why is 12 teams sustainable ? if 12 teams ain't sustainable, then we're in bigger trouble than we thought Because FFA will have committed to 12 teams before CRWG get a decision. You people will have a fit if once confirmed the APFCA go back on it.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe announcement to form the committee was on 4 April, so counting the 4th as a day as well, thats 27 days in April, its 20 May today. Thats 47 days on Tuesday its 7 weeks, looks from the outside getting everyone to agree the chair is impossible as each group would have their own preference. We are starting to look a laughing stock, this is embarrassing. It's in no ones agenda for this to fail. We need a pyramid yesterday. Expansion won't happen either at this rate. We will eventually get to a normalisation committee and FIFA will take over. Its getting ridiculous. You need (Not NZ needs/to small a market but TV needs our time slot) a sustainable A-League first and foremost, 12 teams ok. Then you need a good 2 tier structure on a solid Pro/Amateur base. Both either totally independent or board run including an FFA member. Then once both are working introduce Promotion and Relegation with a drop support $ allocation. But your old boys club (FFA) will fight it all the way because the current system is easy finance for them! Why is 12 teams sustainable ? if 12 teams ain't sustainable, then we're in bigger trouble than we thought Because FFA will have committed to 12 teams before CRWG get a decision. You people will have a fit if once confirmed the APFCA go back on it. Who are "You people" ?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe announcement to form the committee was on 4 April, so counting the 4th as a day as well, thats 27 days in April, its 20 May today. Thats 47 days on Tuesday its 7 weeks, looks from the outside getting everyone to agree the chair is impossible as each group would have their own preference. We are starting to look a laughing stock, this is embarrassing. It's in no ones agenda for this to fail. We need a pyramid yesterday. Expansion won't happen either at this rate. We will eventually get to a normalisation committee and FIFA will take over. Its getting ridiculous. You need (Not NZ needs/to small a market but TV needs our time slot) a sustainable A-League first and foremost, 12 teams ok. Then you need a good 2 tier structure on a solid Pro/Amateur base. Both either totally independent or board run including an FFA member. Then once both are working introduce Promotion and Relegation with a drop support $ allocation. But your old boys club (FFA) will fight it all the way because the current system is easy finance for them! Why is 12 teams sustainable ? if 12 teams ain't sustainable, then we're in bigger trouble than we thought Because FFA will have committed to 12 teams before CRWG get a decision. You people will have a fit if once confirmed the APFCA go back on it. Who are "You people" ? Ok wrong time of day to response - But i WILL. Promotion - Relegation (people) who want it at any cost. (Edited)
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2 TV channels have broadcast F1 in Australia -Ten and Fox. Was Fox the broadcaster during the ladies rien in F1 Oz?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe announcement to form the committee was on 4 April, so counting the 4th as a day as well, thats 27 days in April, its 20 May today. Thats 47 days on Tuesday its 7 weeks, looks from the outside getting everyone to agree the chair is impossible as each group would have their own preference. We are starting to look a laughing stock, this is embarrassing. It's in no ones agenda for this to fail. We need a pyramid yesterday. Expansion won't happen either at this rate. We will eventually get to a normalisation committee and FIFA will take over. Its getting ridiculous. You need (Not NZ needs/to small a market but TV needs our time slot) a sustainable A-League first and foremost, 12 teams ok. Then you need a good 2 tier structure on a solid Pro/Amateur base. Both either totally independent or board run including an FFA member. Then once both are working introduce Promotion and Relegation with a drop support $ allocation. But your old boys club (FFA) will fight it all the way because the current system is easy finance for them! Why is 12 teams sustainable ? if 12 teams ain't sustainable, then we're in bigger trouble than we thought Because FFA will have committed to 12 teams before CRWG get a decision. You people will have a fit if once confirmed the APFCA go back on it. Who are "You people" ? Ok wrong time of day to response - But i WILL. Promotion - Relegation (people) who want it at any cost. (Edited) Whats your point?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe announcement to form the committee was on 4 April, so counting the 4th as a day as well, thats 27 days in April, its 20 May today. Thats 47 days on Tuesday its 7 weeks, looks from the outside getting everyone to agree the chair is impossible as each group would have their own preference. We are starting to look a laughing stock, this is embarrassing. It's in no ones agenda for this to fail. We need a pyramid yesterday. Expansion won't happen either at this rate. We will eventually get to a normalisation committee and FIFA will take over. Its getting ridiculous. You need (Not NZ needs/to small a market but TV needs our time slot) a sustainable A-League first and foremost, 12 teams ok. Then you need a good 2 tier structure on a solid Pro/Amateur base. Both either totally independent or board run including an FFA member. Then once both are working introduce Promotion and Relegation with a drop support $ allocation. But your old boys club (FFA) will fight it all the way because the current system is easy finance for them! Why is 12 teams sustainable ? if 12 teams ain't sustainable, then we're in bigger trouble than we thought Because FFA will have committed to 12 teams before CRWG get a decision. You people will have a fit if once confirmed the APFCA go back on it. Who are "You people" ? Ok wrong time of day to response - But i WILL. Promotion - Relegation (people) who want it at any cost. (Edited) Whats your point? If promotion Relegation comes too early and the ground work is not done for a sustainable HAL and 2nd tier to stand alone without P/R. Then they will need to develop a drop down subsidy(parachute payment) to cover wages.(I doubt 2nd tier could survive fully professional) You will get a team coming down with players on 2+ year contracts.(And club will have to carry the wage bill for 1 + years) The first year a team is promoted they may well come straight down and then under financed carry wages for 1+ years after that. (So collapse of clubs may well happen) IMHO the 2nd tier will need 2 plus years to develop if implemented. But IMHO, only a simple fan, looking EPL for bad or worse https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/premier-league-parachute-payments-exclusive-study-football-league-finance-money-a8255976.html
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe announcement to form the committee was on 4 April, so counting the 4th as a day as well, thats 27 days in April, its 20 May today. Thats 47 days on Tuesday its 7 weeks, looks from the outside getting everyone to agree the chair is impossible as each group would have their own preference. We are starting to look a laughing stock, this is embarrassing. It's in no ones agenda for this to fail. We need a pyramid yesterday. Expansion won't happen either at this rate. We will eventually get to a normalisation committee and FIFA will take over. Its getting ridiculous. You need (Not NZ needs/to small a market but TV needs our time slot) a sustainable A-League first and foremost, 12 teams ok. Then you need a good 2 tier structure on a solid Pro/Amateur base. Both either totally independent or board run including an FFA member. Then once both are working introduce Promotion and Relegation with a drop support $ allocation. But your old boys club (FFA) will fight it all the way because the current system is easy finance for them! Why is 12 teams sustainable ? if 12 teams ain't sustainable, then we're in bigger trouble than we thought Because FFA will have committed to 12 teams before CRWG get a decision. You people will have a fit if once confirmed the APFCA go back on it. Who are "You people" ? Ok wrong time of day to response - But i WILL. Promotion - Relegation (people) who want it at any cost. (Edited) Whats your point? If promotion Relegation comes too early and the ground work is not done for a sustainable HAL and 2nd tier to stand alone without P/R. Then they will need to develop a drop down subsidy(parachute payment) to cover wages.(I doubt 2nd tier could survive fully professional) You will get a team coming down with players on 2+ year contracts.(And club will have to carry the wage bill for 1 + years) The first year a team is promoted they may well come straight down and then under financed carry wages for 1+ years after that. (So collapse of clubs may well happen) IMHO the 2nd tier will need 2 plus years to develop if implemented. But IMHO, only a simple fan, looking EPL for bad or worse https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/premier-league-parachute-payments-exclusive-study-football-league-finance-money-a8255976.html Contracts have relegation clauses in them these days, (unless you are Sunderland and you screw up Jack Rodwell style) and Parachute payments aren't the hardest part of introducing P&R
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Interesting take on pro/rep in lower level teams 
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Congress Review Working Group AFPCA: Gregg Griffin Simon Pearce Federations: Football New South Wales Football Federation South Australia Football Federation Victoria Football West (Western Australia) PFA: Brendan Schwab (unconfirmed) FFA: Chris Nikou (unconfirmed) Chairman: Judith Griggs
Anyone seen media confirmation for PFA and FFA now FIFA have approved the Chair
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Stevens take on it all,
"We're moving on with expansion of the game.
There are a number of detractors to that but equally you see a number of A-League chairmen in favour of what we're doing," he said.
"We're getting on with the job of expanding the game, of making next year's A-League exciting and addressing the issues that we need to, together with the clubs and (broadcaster) Fox Sports.
"It's our expectation ... next year's A-League will be much better."
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It's our expectation that notwithstanding the review process that’s going on now next year’s A-League will be much better than last year's because everyone’s working together."
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Then there's the next phase of crisis talks over the game's governance, instigated by FIFA, soon to be overseen by an independent mediator. Lowy said he was hopeful rather than confident it would be resolved. "I'm hopeful it will be resolved with a fresh approach, with a result the game can go forward with," he said. "Having an independent chair going through and trying to break through these issues is a fair way to go about it."
Lowy's comments on CRWG
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AAFC announced on their fakebook page that they met the CRWG today to pitch for a seat on the congress
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So the Federations do not advocate for the AAFC? IMPORTANT NOTE FOR OUR MEMBERS. Chairman Rabieh Krayem and Legal Advisor, Nick Galatas, met with the FFA Congress Review Working Group today, chaired by Judith Griggs, in Melbourne.It was an effective and productive meeting, where we presented our claims to be included in the Congress as well as rundown of our achievements, and had a good discussion with those present.The CRWG will continue its important work and conclude its report by the end of July according to the timeline set by FIFA and AFC. AAFC stands ready to contribute further to the work of CRWG as and when it is called upon to do so by Ms Griggs, and we look forward to the final report.
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+xSo the Federations do not advocate for the AAFC? IMPORTANT NOTE FOR OUR MEMBERS. Chairman Rabieh Krayem and Legal Advisor, Nick Galatas, met with the FFA Congress Review Working Group today, chaired by Judith Griggs, in Melbourne.It was an effective and productive meeting, where we presented our claims to be included in the Congress as well as rundown of our achievements, and had a good discussion with those present.The CRWG will continue its important work and conclude its report by the end of July according to the timeline set by FIFA and AFC. AAFC stands ready to contribute further to the work of CRWG as and when it is called upon to do so by Ms Griggs, and we look forward to the final report. Why would they, it takes the NPL clubs out of their various jurisdictions. They look like a baby brother to a fully independent A-league. IMO the A-league should NOT be fully independent
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Consideration of A-League expansion comes against the backdrop of the Congress Review Working Group which is meeting again in Melbourne this weekend, to nut-out the governance structure for football that is meant to be fit-for-purpose for at least the next 15-20 years.
The Working Group, chaired by former F1 senior executive Judith Griggs, is to report to FIFA by the end of July. As well as A-League expansion, work on the introduction of a national second division is progressing with an analysis and assumptions recently sent to members of another working group looking at a national second division. It is understood that an independent entity to run the A-League is favoured by most Working Group members, and the A-League clubs are keen for greater expansion than that envisaged by the current FFA Board.
http://footballtoday.news/features/and-now-there-are-10
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