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+xBasically imo they are following the Gold Coast United model, no fan engagement or any consultation with fans but putting together a reasonable squad for season 1. They are hoping that having a competitive squad will bring in the fans but it won’t. What they desperately need is the equivalent of a Matt Windley from Team 11 bid. He has and continues to do excellent promotion and PR for team 11 by heading to local clubs and grassroots football promoting their region and the sport in general. Western United has done basically zero in this regard and considering junior registration nights would be on around this time of year. They are missing big opportunities to put their brand out there. Blame the FFA for this, they went for the safer option rather than working with the Victorian govt. to get Team 11 over the line.
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sub007
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+xwhat's the expectations for them next season? I would say a pass mark would be a crowd of 10k at least Completely unrealistic imo. I’ll think they’ll struggle to crack 5k imo.
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Melbcityguy
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what's the expectations for them next season?
I would say a pass mark would be a crowd of 10k at least
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aussie pride
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Basically imo they are following the Gold Coast United model, no fan engagement or any consultation with fans but putting together a reasonable squad for season 1. They are hoping that having a competitive squad will bring in the fans but it won’t.
What they desperately need is the equivalent of a Matt Windley from Team 11 bid. He has and continues to do excellent promotion and PR for team 11 by heading to local clubs and grassroots football promoting their region and the sport in general. Western United has done basically zero in this regard and considering junior registration nights would be on around this time of year. They are missing big opportunities to put their brand out there.
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Is anyone else out there feeling a bit underwhelmed by this whole Western United bid? I know they appear to be getting their on-field act together but I'm very curious as to where they are getting their supporters from; and then, once they get them, how they are going to keep them? I get that if they were opening up shop from day #1 with games at their home base in the Tarniet area it would be straightforward enough. Market to the local (particularly ethnic origin) communities on the 'build it and they will come' strategy. The problem is the 'build it' thingy won't happen for two or three years! It seem they are either going to play their games in Geelong and / or maybe even at Docklands for at least the first two seasons. A club that is opening it's doors with no established fan base, is going to be on a two/three season road trip up to 50 km's away from where their primary fans are going to be living. If they end up in Kardinia Park the Geelong community are unlikely to be interested because the club are effectively transient visitors, not much different to the Victory games held there. Wanderers spent a few seasons building up an incredibly strong supporter base but as soon as they moved to Spotless their fan base started to fall apart. Part of that was due distance and part due to games being held in a soulless AFL stadium. It will be the same for Western United, except of course that they won't have had the luxury of establishing a local, vocal 'home' fan base beforehand. The remaining question I have is, is this an area that is even hungry for a team? Is there the same groundswell of support amongst the population out there, the same way it appeared there was for the failed South East Team 11 bid? My fear is that this whole thing could go horribly wrong with the FFA seemingly ignoring the lack of a solid fan base and the inevitable years of transience; they seemed rather more enticed by the supposed promise of football infrastructure (not to mention the multi-million bid fee). What if their games end up attracting Gold Coast United-esque crowds? Do you think the developers will push forward with the proposed 12-15,000 boutique stadium if their first two-season 'crowds' barely are? I really hope that I am wrong, I'm a Vuck supporter and love the idea of a genuine away Derby, but frankly for me it's looking less like a exciting Tarniet bound train trip and more like a slo-mo train wreck! The last thing football in this country needs is another embarrassing disaster.
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Its amazing isn't it. SA is THE football state and the Vics know it. Unfortunately most kids will jump at the chance to head to Melbs for a while too, something different, big stinking city etc.. and they take full advantage of that. Adelaide needs to learn to retain its players and it needs greater upper tier clubs to reflect that. Anoyher paywalled link, who've they snapped up?
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Happy for anyone from the NPL coming into the A-league.
There is talent there and i hope they succeed
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sub007
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+xsomeone made a good point in the wmg group they should go for alexandre pato he is now a free agent I can't believe he's only 29. Feels like he's been around forever
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Melbcityguy
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someone made a good point in the wmg group they should go for alexandre pato he is now a free agent
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+x+xAre WU getting an extra import slot? Similar to the Wanderers first season? They shouldn't. They're allegedly ultra rich, why don't they just bring good imports? The WSW concession was because the club had to assemble a team in 6 weeks and the concern was there weren't enough local players available at the time. While this concern isn't there, I don't mind it. Gives the incoming club a bit of a boost and stops recycling to a degree.
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aussie pride
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+xAre WU getting an extra import slot? Similar to the Wanderers first season? Only if its Dino Kersinger its allowed.
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+xAre WU getting an extra import slot? Similar to the Wanderers first season? They shouldn't. They're allegedly ultra rich, why don't they just bring good imports?
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SlashThingy
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+x+xNo I'd still keep it at their new 15k stadium. Is rather look at examples like in England where the small clubs play at their home ground regardless of what sort of crowd they'll get at a bigger venue. 14k WUFC fans and allocate 1k to MV fans or something similar. They will be playing all games out of Tarneit stadium including derbies. i have heard they will be capping the away team numbers to minimise the possibility of being outnumbered at home like what happens to City at home derbies. i don't know how that would work as Victory fans could just buy tix in other areas anyway. How the fuck is that allowed? If they do that, us (and City) need to reciprocate at our home games.
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Are WU getting an extra import slot? Similar to the Wanderers first season?
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Burztur
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Usually succeed on your attacking imports anyway.
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aussie pride
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+xIf you lumped all the rumours into one team: Birighitti/Kurto Risdon McGowan Aspro Davidson Kone-Chapman Pain-Pasquali-Inman Stamatalopoulos
Bench: Calver, Testardi.Defence and midfield reasonable. Attack needs work Add in 3 more imports that are decent and they could be anywhere between 5th-8th
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Melbcityguy
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brad inman i always try to buy him on football manager
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RedKat
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If you lumped all the rumours into one team: Birighitti/Kurto Risdon McGowan Aspro Davidson Kone-Chapman Pain-Pasquali-Inman Stamatalopoulos
Bench: Calver, Testardi.Defence and midfield reasonable. Attack needs work
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Well it looks like Western are going to have a great NPL side judging by their signings and rumoured signings.
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+xNo I'd still keep it at their new 15k stadium. Is rather look at examples like in England where the small clubs play at their home ground regardless of what sort of crowd they'll get at a bigger venue. 14k WUFC fans and allocate 1k to MV fans or something similar. They will be playing all games out of Tarneit stadium including derbies. i have heard they will be capping the away team numbers to minimise the possibility of being outnumbered at home like what happens to City at home derbies. i don't know how that would work as Victory fans could just buy tix in other areas anyway. +xBoth of those are right in Victory territory. yep. whitten oval is literally about 2km from the site of the new Victory football academy. but we're only talking about 5-6 games over 2 years at most.
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....and probably will continue to be.
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+x+x+x I'm sorry but if they have their own 15k football stadium built and decide to play any A-league games away in Geelong they deserve to be blown up for their stupidity. As for not having options I'd rather they play out of a regional ground somewhere in Melbourne. I don't know the area we'll but is there anything within 30 minutes drive from Tarneit with 5k capacity like a state league ground or something? agree with the first point. it takes 30 minutes by train from Geelong to Tarneit. why would they continue to play anywhere else, let alone an oval stadium after they move in? Some have mentioned knights stadium, but that won't happen. I think Whitten Oval should be looked at as an option. yes I know its oval, but at least its in the west, and its next to a train station. Both of those are right in Victory territory. The whole of Victoria has been "Victory territory" until now.
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+x+x I'm sorry but if they have their own 15k football stadium built and decide to play any A-league games away in Geelong they deserve to be blown up for their stupidity. As for not having options I'd rather they play out of a regional ground somewhere in Melbourne. I don't know the area we'll but is there anything within 30 minutes drive from Tarneit with 5k capacity like a state league ground or something? agree with the first point. it takes 30 minutes by train from Geelong to Tarneit. why would they continue to play anywhere else, let alone an oval stadium after they move in? Some have mentioned knights stadium, but that won't happen. I think Whitten Oval should be looked at as an option. yes I know its oval, but at least its in the west, and its next to a train station. Both of those are right in Victory territory.
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+x+x I'm sorry but if they have their own 15k football stadium built and decide to play any A-league games away in Geelong they deserve to be blown up for their stupidity. As for not having options I'd rather they play out of a regional ground somewhere in Melbourne. I don't know the area we'll but is there anything within 30 minutes drive from Tarneit with 5k capacity like a state league ground or something? agree with the first point. it takes 30 minutes by train from Geelong to Tarneit. why would they continue to play anywhere else, let alone an oval stadium after they move in? Some have mentioned knights stadium, but that won't happen. I think Whitten Oval should be looked at as an option. yes I know its oval, but at least its in the west, and its next to a train station. I'd like to see them play at Knights Stadium if they're allowed to otherwise I agree with you on Whitten Oval. I just had a look at it and although shocking, at least it's in the area and isn't over 35k capacity like in Geelong.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI’ve changed my mind a bit the team is looking good if they come in and start winning they could still get a crowd in Geelong Yeh I agree they could get anywhere between 3k and 4.5k. I don't know if that is sarcasm or not, but that's really bad. It's a bad idea to play in a city you don't represent, and then to play in a stadium way too big in capacity, and designed not to suit football. So with all these 3 negatives in mind I'm actually being serious that they won't get crowds that some people are dreaming of. I honestly don't expect them to get more than 5k. A shit decision will get shit crowds. I really hope I'm wrong though. Anyways they've signed up to play 7 games a season so it'll be interesting to see where the others will be played but my guess is the derby games will be at AAMI Park. Maybe out of necessity of their situation, but I would argue they do actually represent Geelong though and have gone out of their way to brand themselves as broad as possible to include Western Victoria. Even the logo seems to be more on a WV than a WU :) Ideally they would still have a game in Gellong even when they move, but that likely won’t stack up as the Wyndham Stadium will need all the content it can to make it pay off. Having a continued presence there would at least provide a stronger case of ‘ownership’ by potential fans of the club. I'm sorry but if they have their own 15k football stadium built and decide to play any A-league games away in Geelong they deserve to be blown up for their stupidity. As for not having options I'd rather they play out of a regional ground somewhere in Melbourne. I don't know the area we'll but is there anything within 30 minutes drive from Tarneit with 5k capacity like a state league ground or something? I agree for the most part, however there is the potential issue of the WUFC v MV derbies where WUFC are the home team. Hypothetically, lets say that by the time the stadium is built, WUFC are getting 10K+ attendance numbers (i'm still sceptical but let's not rule it out just yet). It could then make more financial sense to send the WUFC v MV derby to Geelong to maximise ticket sales. No I'd still keep it at their new 15k stadium. Is rather look at examples like in England where the small clubs play at their home ground regardless of what sort of crowd they'll get at a bigger venue. 14k WUFC fans and allocate 1k to MV fans or something similar.
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+xPaywall. Testardi looks uninspiring Agree on Testardi but because he's Italian Val keeps fapping over him in all of his articles.
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+xPaywall. Testardi looks uninspiring Opening the link again usually works.
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Paywall. Testardi looks uninspiring
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