8k to 15k does feel out of place in a big stadium, doesn't mean the stadium is a "shit hole". The surface has been great this season.

Shudder to think what crowds a SM Hellas would bring in an oval shaped ground with poor viewing in comparison, 2k, 3k?

Translated - let Hellas in (lol)

My money is on 2/3000 south fans creating a superior atmosphere to 8k Brisbane fans in your
morgue like coliseum. Bigger ain't better in this context. Congrats for having a decent surface once in a while, no doubt that will change any week now.

firstly, Parramatta had to be bulldozed first. And secondly Danny Townsend (SFC CEO) said in the fox sports podcast last week that the SFS rebuild is expected to be completed by mid-2022 (about 30 months). and thats a 45,000 capacity stadium.

Before they even start digging up the land, they have to get the planning approval. That will take a few months at least. There's no mention of the stadium in any of the approved and gazetted documentation from the original planning scheme amendment a few years ago to establish the 'precinct'.  https://vpa.vic.gov.au/project/riverdale-precinct-structure-plan/

Now, theoretically, it is possible to make the necessary amendments 'in house' through the Ministers Office without any public consultation, but I really don't see any appetite at all for that from the Minister, especially in the current political climate after the Casey Council shenanigans. 

I think they will need to go through the normal public consultation process, which, in the best case scenario, will take at least a couple of months AFTER they have formally started the planning process (which they have not done as yet).

Unless they have some secret deal already done with the Minister, I don't see this getting through the planning process before the middle of this year, much less start the actual construction.

I just wish they would come out with an honest statement about where they are at the minute, how they will run the process and when they will formally start the planning process. 

Demolition is a surprisingly quick process and wouldn't have had a huge impact on the timeline. The key difference is that with Parramatta they (the government) were building a stadium on a site that already had a stadium. That means there would be far less bureaucratic bullshit they would need to go through. There is alot more work and red tape when developing a new site compared to upgrading an existing site. WU are a private company proposing to build a stadium on public land. This is where there can be massive hold ups, especially if there is significant objection from the public. Government funded developments also have security of funding. Whereas privately funded developments are relying on someone to pay the bills. That can cause things to go off the rails and push timelines out. Seeing as we still don't know exactly who the financial backers are, it's difficult to speculate on whether this is likely to fall over from a financial point of view or not. 

I thought they had issues caused by the old aquatic centre next door that they had to demolish and fill in?

What aquatic centre? Tarneit never had one.  They have a couple of country clubs in the estates that have pools in them.  

Parramatta wasn't that simple.  They had to get DA approval to demolish the stadium and the swimming pool and once they had that they had to deal with the disposal of contaminants on the site.  They then had to get DA approval then Building Approval for the new stadium.  The DA approval was made tougher by it being next to a World Heritage site.

WYNDHAM COUNCIL Make mention of the 1160 Sayers Road Project

ATTACHMENT NO: 4 - DELEGATES REPORT - SPORTS DEVELOPMENT PORTFOLIO COMMITTEE MEETING - 2 DECEMBER 2019

ITEM NO: 11.1

Other Business
1160 Sayers Road
Committee was updated on the preliminary investigations of the project.  The site is not all earmarked for active open space and initial planning work has been carried out to decide where best this would sit on the site.  The land to the south of the railway line will still be under Council control for another sporting facility.
        Action: NIL

the stadium doesnt seem shovel ready.......

Doesn't seem like it.

Bet Roar will have their new stadium before this lot.

Of course there's the possibility neither will have one.

realistically, with the current financial uncertainty surrounding the iHAL, cant see anyone getting funding to build a stadium.

Governmen reaction to the Qld state elections may be the pivoting point for Roar's stadium go-a-head.

If they were serious about being a professional team they wouldn't play there.  

It was all smoke and mirrors.

Some stuff from the most recent council meeting: https://councilpapers.wyndham.vic.gov.au/Open/2020/ORD_04022020_MIN_2601_AT.PDF
Not much real information, but it does flag concerns from a local person. 

10.2 Public questions received from Arnav Sati
Question 2
Wyndham City Stadium, with 15,000 seats is claimed to be a game-changer to the often-neglected suburb of Tarneit. However, some recent media articles mentioned the planned stadium remains in limbo. I request the council to provide a detailed answer on:

1. From the 265 acres land parcel at 1160 Sayers Road, how many acres are offered at no cost to build the stadium?
2. Is Wyndham City Council contributing financially (or in-kind) for the stadium? If yes, please provide details of the funding arrangements
3. How much is Western Melbourne Group Holdings investing in the stadium? How will the multi-million dollar funding be arranged by the consortium?
4. Will there be any commercial and residential development on the land parcel itself? If yes, is Western Melbourne Group Holdings a financial stakeholder in that as well? Please provide detail of arrangements.
5. Tarneit Indoor Sports Stadium was proposed in 2017. Is it still happening? Is there any funding previously allocated to build Tarneit Indoor Sports Stadium being provided by the council to build the Wyndham City Stadium?

Seriously, with all the alleged groups trying to get a licence, this was the best FFA could do??

Actually, I think that was all bullshit - the amount of interest.  It was all PR to talk up the expansion process.  

The ffa had no choice, a team was wanted in Victoria, Team11 couldnt get commitment from the government to build a stadium. It was Western or the evil wogs from Albert Park.

The evil wogs have a long term lease on the best boutique football stadium in Melbourne, used exclusively by football.

It's very clear now that despite the reservations about another team playing out of Melbourne central, Souths would have been a far, far better choice.

that's debatable, although a little tired now, having been to most the Melbourne stadiums over the years, I think Knights Stadium is much better as you are much closer to the action. At Lakside you are much further away and doesnt have the same feel.

I love how many on here are talking about how good SM's bid was, yet they seem to forget SM were in the middle of a relegation battle in NPL Vic and their board and management were having all sorts of issues, all of which gave many of the other clubs plenty of amusement. Not to mention the fact they are not financially sound (just check the minutes from their last AGM).

The whole expansion process was crap in general and so long as we rely on pretty powerpoint presentations rather than merit (ie performance) in making these descisions, they are doomed to failure, just like WU.

At least South Melbourne was actually involved in something.

No singing SM's praises so much - I don't think they should have been included in teh A League.  3 teams in the CBD would be stupid beyond belief.  Just using them as a point of comparision to the disastrous WU project, which is turning out to be disingenous shambles the like of which, arguably, Aus sport has never seen before.

I don’t think one has to do with the other. Also how far back do you go? When the expansion process started way at the beginning South were ffa cup semi finalists and a top 2 team in Victoria for many years. Either way it’s an irrelevant discussion point as the money was always going to come from outside the npl setup.

if the process was fair and open, then many more existing clubs (ex-NSL and others) would have actually bid, but as WU has shown, it was just a cash grab by FFA so all the sensible clubs knew there was no point and didnt waste their time.

If its fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, what would you say to SM wasting their time on 3 doomed bids....

last time i checked they had an athletics track and was the home of athletics australia, athletics victoria and the VIS. doesn't sound exclsive to me. 

I dont have an objection to any club getting to the top table (be it SM or any other team) but make sure it is on merit ony.

WU was a realestate play from the outset and this is confirmed by the council answer to Q4 "There will be commercial and residential development on the site and the Western Melbourne Group will be the responsible developer. The details, again are commercial-in-confidence."

It's also quite funny that their logo incorporates the rooftops they were planning to build, but as frnchisees your only concern is making moey, not the actual product you are selling so not sure why anyone would be surprised.

So basically whilst the plans are in place for a stadium & the land allocation is determined the whole thing actually hinges on Point 4. 

Without that there will be no stadium.