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+xI have no doubt that the FFA put some pressure on WU to ensure that they looked 'viable' with good crowd averages. Only way to do that is to have more derbies with Victory, and if that means having 20k Vuck fans at Docklands, than so be it.
unless a deal is done to entice Victory fans, we won't be bringing 20k with us to these away games. Victory fans have stopped going to the annual away Xmas derby, primarily due to ticket prices.
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+x+x+xDepends on what the motivations for the packed crowd are. In this situation the motivations are almost certainly designed to essentially juke the stats. If we look at the example of WU playing a home game against MV at Marvel, the mindset would be primarily to get as many MV supporters to the game as possible. Attracting WU fans would be a distant secondary objective. Holding the game at a venue that guarantees a high number of MV fans only serves the purpose of increasing the attendance averages of WU and the league as a whole. The numbers are falling and the FFA are attempting to plaster over the cracks rather than address the underlying issues. One wonders if the FFA has put pressure on WU to play some games out of Marvel for the reason of inflating crowd numbers? WU have stated that they wanna limit the amount of away fans at Tarneit Stadium so they don't get outnumbered at home derbies like City do. Playing Victory at Marvel contradicts this, so maybe it wasn't their call? I have no doubt that the FFA put some pressure on WU to ensure that they looked 'viable' with good crowd averages. Only way to do that is to have more derbies with Victory, and if that means having 20k Vuck fans at Docklands, than so be it. I personally think it sends the wrong message - if they wanted to setup a 'fortress' mentality, they'd play it in Geelong and limit the Victory away bay to 1k fans. Lock the fuckers out, let Victory know that they're playing down there on their terms. At least that way the crowd shouldn't be outnumbered by a vocal Victory fanbase, helping to generate a proper home game feeling. Otherwise, they risk making the same mistakes that Heart/City did - a franchise with no identity. But of course, we all know the FFA shits the bed when it comes to the prospect of having fans locked out of the ground for whatever reason, so we'll see WU derbies at Docklands with 20k Vuck fans. Might have been Fox putting pressure on them as they are upset about having to pay extra money for a Melbourne team that isn't in Melbourne
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someguyjc
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+x+x+xDepends on what the motivations for the packed crowd are. In this situation the motivations are almost certainly designed to essentially juke the stats. If we look at the example of WU playing a home game against MV at Marvel, the mindset would be primarily to get as many MV supporters to the game as possible. Attracting WU fans would be a distant secondary objective. Holding the game at a venue that guarantees a high number of MV fans only serves the purpose of increasing the attendance averages of WU and the league as a whole. The numbers are falling and the FFA are attempting to plaster over the cracks rather than address the underlying issues. One wonders if the FFA has put pressure on WU to play some games out of Marvel for the reason of inflating crowd numbers? WU have stated that they wanna limit the amount of away fans at Tarneit Stadium so they don't get outnumbered at home derbies like City do. Playing Victory at Marvel contradicts this, so maybe it wasn't their call? Zero pressure. WU have 8 games at Kardinia Park, so need to find a home for 5 more games. Realistically, you'd have to have rocks in your head to play those 5 games in Ballarat. I reckon a couple of games at Whitten oval would have been a solid option. It's location would have been ideal for connecting to their region as all the train lines run through West Footscray station which is literally across the road. It's rubbish for the TV because the cameras face away from the stands, but they make it work for the AFLW so I don't think it's that big of a deal. Ballarat and any other stadium out west is rubbish for TV anyway.
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As for Ballarat, I hope sensible heads prevail and they use Morshead Park with some extra seating for any games they bring there, rather than the AFL venue Mars Stadium, which only has 5,127 seats anyway. The pitch and back of house facilities at Morshead are great, just needs a few extra seats and it'd be a terrific venue.
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paladisious
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If they ever finished the full design of the stadium, Ballarat would be deserving of at least an A2-League team of their own, it looks gorgeous:  https://www.k20architecture.com/ballarat-regional-soccer-and-community-facility
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Glory Recruit
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Just noticed the Ballarat red devils rebranded too, good move. Surely a shout for A2
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Feed_The_Brox
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+xAs for Ballarat, I hope sensible heads prevail and they use Morshead Park with some extra seating for any games they bring there, rather than the AFL venue Mars Stadium, which only has 5,127 seats anyway. The pitch and back of house facilities at Morshead are great, just needs a few extra seats and it'd be a terrific venue. its already is terrific venue and i hope it we do get to see a finished product sooner rather than later
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Whats the total capacity of that thing? looks great.
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Great looking design. When do they plan to re-develop?
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+xGreat looking design. When do they plan to re-develop? No plans to re-redevelop. That image was just an architectural render that was done when they were re-doing the main stand and club facilities.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWestern United definetly have a lot of problems but I don't think playing derbies against Victory at Marvel is one of them. It makes the most sense for them, easy to access from the West and will easily be their most attended fixture. Apart from the fact that its essentially an away game? Victory have won 2 grand finals at that very stadium. Then again its designed to ensure Victory fans pack it out rather then risk MV fans not travelling to Geelong. If Western United are to based in Melbourne, which they will be passed these first two seasons, it is not an away game. Is there anything wrong with wanting a packed crowd? It's also the most accessible stadium in Victoria. If you want to get the casuals to a game that is how you would do it. Lakeside Stadium is pretty central and accessible as well. If it was all about that, then South Melbourne would have been a shoe in. The FFA is never going to allow traditional clubs into the A League. Given that a club like South Melbourne likely would eat into the existing 2 clubs in the inner city area, the logic is likely sound. South Melbourne should have been the 2nd club instead of Heart, but that mistake was made at that time and now we have to try and make things work. WU has the chance to capture a new market out there if it gets it’s planning right, but I do think that Team 11 had a stronger overall case for entry. Team 11 seemed stronger in almost every aspect of their bid.... except for that pesky stadium funding.
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Say team 11 are the 4th melbourne team, is there anyway SM could still join the comp? Or is 5 melb teams too much?
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someguyjc
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+xSay team 11 are the 4th melbourne team, is there anyway SM could still join the comp? Or is 5 melb teams too much? How many teams is not that important. What is important is if those 5 teams have a genuine point of difference from on another and said point of difference can attract a solid fanbase as well as field a competitive team. If you have a bunch of clubs all based centrally with the only real difference being name and colours, then 5 is too many. If there are a bunch of clubs with clear differences like geographical and identity then 5 should be fine.
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+x+x+x+xWestern United definetly have a lot of problems but I don't think playing derbies against Victory at Marvel is one of them. It makes the most sense for them, easy to access from the West and will easily be their most attended fixture. Apart from the fact that its essentially an away game? Victory have won 2 grand finals at that very stadium. Then again its designed to ensure Victory fans pack it out rather then risk MV fans not travelling to Geelong. If Western United are to based in Melbourne, which they will be passed these first two seasons, it is not an away game. Is there anything wrong with wanting a packed crowd? It's also the most accessible stadium in Victoria. If you want to get the casuals to a game that is how you would do it. Lakeside Stadium is pretty central and accessible as well. If it was all about that, then South Melbourne would have been a shoe in. I don't disagree that South Melbourne should have probably been approved instead of Western United but the point is that they are here now. Lakeside Stadium is nowhere near as accessible as Marvel Stadium, Marvel Stadium is meters away from the central rail transport hub of Victoria, Lakeside Stadium has one tram line.
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+xTeam 11 seemed stronger in almost every aspect of their bid.... except for that pesky stadium funding. so Team 11 were basically $150m behind WU? close. +xSay team 11 are the 4th melbourne team, is there anyway SM could still join the comp? Or is 5 melb teams too much? If we're gonna have 2 divisions with 28-30 teams, 5 teams in Melbourne is about the right number. Its projected Melbourne's population will overtake sydney in 7 years.
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+x+xGreat looking design. When do they plan to re-develop? No plans to re-redevelop. That image was just an architectural render that was done when they were re-doing the main stand and club facilities. Yeah, the middle part of the building on the right is all they did, but that includes all the modern change rooms and stuff.  10-12k for the whole thing apparently according to a quote from someone involved in the Asian Cup bid.
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paladisious
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+xSay team 11 are the 4th melbourne team, is there anyway SM could still join the comp? Or is 5 melb teams too much? One team per million people doesn't sound like too many to me.
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+x+x+x+x+xWestern United definetly have a lot of problems but I don't think playing derbies against Victory at Marvel is one of them. It makes the most sense for them, easy to access from the West and will easily be their most attended fixture. Apart from the fact that its essentially an away game? Victory have won 2 grand finals at that very stadium. Then again its designed to ensure Victory fans pack it out rather then risk MV fans not travelling to Geelong. If Western United are to based in Melbourne, which they will be passed these first two seasons, it is not an away game. Is there anything wrong with wanting a packed crowd? It's also the most accessible stadium in Victoria. If you want to get the casuals to a game that is how you would do it. Lakeside Stadium is pretty central and accessible as well. If it was all about that, then South Melbourne would have been a shoe in. I don't disagree that South Melbourne should have probably been approved instead of Western United but the point is that they are here now. Lakeside Stadium is nowhere near as accessible as Marvel Stadium, Marvel Stadium is meters away from the central rail transport hub of Victoria, Lakeside Stadium has one tram line. Both venues are on the same stretch of road..and anzac station is coming in a few years. Saying lakeside isnt accesible is like saying the casino isnt. That one tram line can be picked up outside southern cross and it takes you right to the front of lakeside.
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It seems behind closed doors Team 11 were being told by the State Government there would be funding in future for their stadium, but the government would not publicly state that whilst there was a rival bid out there telling everyone they would fund their own stadium.
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+xSay team 11 are the 4th melbourne team, is there anyway SM could still join the comp? Or is 5 melb teams too much? Yeah there's just no way South Australia could continue to provide enough players to the Melbourne sides if there were 5 of them.
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+x+x+xGreat looking design. When do they plan to re-develop? No plans to re-redevelop. That image was just an architectural render that was done when they were re-doing the main stand and club facilities. Yeah, the middle part of the building on the right is all they did, but that includes all the modern change rooms and stuff. 10-12k for the whole thing apparently according to a quote from someone involved in the Asian Cup bid. Still looks like a nice ground from that pic.
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+x+xSay team 11 are the 4th melbourne team, is there anyway SM could still join the comp? Or is 5 melb teams too much? One team per million people doesn't sound like too many to me. Especially when Melbourne consistently adds around 100k to its population per year, most of whom are immis with the football kulcha. Considering how slowly FFA moves on expansion, it'll be around 6 million population before another Melbourne based consortium gets a look in.
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The reality is that Team 11 will have very limited opportunities to get govt funding if P&R is an option in the foreseeable future.
A govt will struggle to justify spending hundreds of millions on a 15k stadium that would struggle to get anywhere near that in a 2nd tier.
i struggle to see how WU’s stadium stacks up with 13 HAL home matches and some FFA Cup matches, but as that will be private funding it’s their money to lose.
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How much will Wyndham stadium cost to build?
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+xHow much will Wyndham stadium cost to build? Apparently 20 to 21 mil. All private backing apparently
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A stadium is not just seats around a pitch.
Revenue comes in all year round from renting out the function rooms around the stadium. The stadium also stimulates the local economy.
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+x+xHow much will Wyndham stadium cost to build? Apparently 20 to 21 mil. All private backing apparently Surely it can't be that low, otherwise we'd have other franchises claiming they'd build their own private stadiums too. I thought it was in the realm of 150mil+?
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